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Posted 8-26-05

Pockmarked Small Moons of Saturn

Epimetheus


Phoebe


Hyperion


Animated sequence of Cassini fly-by of Hyperion
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEMQUK6DIAE_0.html

14 July 2005 - This movie sequence provides the record of the NASA/ESA/ASI Cassini spacecraft's first close brush with Hyperion, Saturn's chaotically tumbling moon.

My comments

Saturn's moons are pockmarked all over from collisions with other bodies from space. Maybe they are part of Satan's planet Rahab that split apart forming our Asteroid Belt. The movie is interesting. Hyperion is larger and clearer than in the picture above.

The picture of the dark Phoebe at the URL below is labelled "Dark desolation". That reminds me of the state of the Earth in Gen. 1:2. I wonder if the asteroid impact that blew our Moon material out of the Pacific Basin caused dark dust to settle on the Earth. If so, it should show up as a dark stripe in the strata of the Earth. That's enough to keep me interested in Geology as well as Astronomy.
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Cassini-Huygens looks at Phoebe's distant past
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Cassini-Huygens/SEMNL63VQUD_0.html

...Phoebe is a peculiar moon amongst the 31 known satellites orbiting Saturn. Most of Saturn's moons are bright but Phoebe is very dark and reflects only 6% of the Sun's light. Another difference is that Phoebe revolves around the planet on a rather elongated orbit and in a direction opposite to that of the other large moons (a motion known as 'retrograde' orbit).

All these hints suggested that Phoebe, rather than forming together with Saturn, was captured at a later stage. Scientists, however, do not know whether Phoebe was originally an asteroid or an object coming from the 'Kuiper Belt'....

Cassini Spacecraft Shows Saturn's Ring System Has Atmosphere

Oxygen molecules held in place by gravity, ring particle movement
http://usinfo.state.gov/eur/Archive/2005/Aug/18-331010.html?chanlid=eur

...Saturn's rings consist largely of water ice mixed with smaller amounts of dust and rocky matter. They are extraordinarily thin: though they are 250 000 kilometres or more in diameter they are no more than 1.5 kilometres thick....

Inner Earth May Hold More Water Than the Seas

By Ben Harder, 3-7-02
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/03/0307_0307_waterworld.html

Molten rocks deep in the earths interior may be surprisingly wet, Japanese researchers say. From lab experiments, they have concluded there may be more H2O deep underground than in ALL OCEANS, lakes, and rivers combined.

The scientists first heated "mineral cocktails" to a white-hot 1600 degrees Celsius (2900 degrees Fahrenheit) and squeezed them until the pressure reached more than three million pounds per square inch (200,000 kilograms per square centimeter). Then they cooked the samples for an hour.

The experiments replicated the environment and conditions deep in the Earth.

Based on what they witnessed in their lab, the researchers concluded that more water probably exists deep within the Earth than is present on Earth's surface—as much as five times more....

They used heat and pressure—25.5 gigapascals of it, or more than 250,000 times natural atmospheric pressure at sea level—to create four mineral compounds that exist in the lower mantle.

These minerals—manganese perovskite, calcium perovskite, magnesiowustite, and stishovite...

The trials resulted in different amounts of water being absorbed into the mantle-like matter. But in each case, water made up at least 0.19 percent of the material's mass.

That doesn't sound like a lot, but for Murakami and his team, the finding was a watershed....

Earth's oceans make up just 0.02 percent of the planet's total mass. This means the vast lower mantle could contain MANY TIMES MORE WATER THAN FLOATS ON THE PLANET'S SURFACE....

Other research has suggested that a zone between the mantle and the crust also contain a great deal of water, the Japanese researchers noted. If so, there could be MORE THAN TEN TIMES THE AMOUNT OF WATER INSIDE THE PLANET AS THERE IS ON ITS SURFACE.

My comments

The subterranean water is interesting. Gen 7:11 says, "In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of THE GREAT DEEP (tehom) broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

Strong's says that tehom is an abyss (as a surging mass of water), especially the deep (the main sea or the SUBTERRANEAN WATER SUPPLY): - deep (place), depth.

Stishovite caught my eye, because its tiny grains are formed by the high shock, pressure and temperature at the impact site of a huge meteorite.

An Ecumenical Council to Address "Biblical Fundamentalism?"

Aug 18, 2005
http://www.albertmohler.com/blog_read.php?id=218

Presiding Bishop Mark Hansen of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has called for an ecumenical council to convene in order to resolve the question of biblical interpretation in the church. Calling for the global council, Bishop Hansen called upon Pope Benedict XVI, leaders of the Eastern Orthodox churches, and mainline Protestant leaders to convene the council in order to stem the tide of what he called "fundamentalist" readings of Scripture.

"Christianity is in the midst of a global identity crisis because we have not addressed ecumenically the questions of authority and interpretation of scripture," Hanson told the ELCA's Churchwide Assembly last week. Religion News Service reported that the bishop also "called for Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Anglican and Lutheran churches to come together to combat a 'FUNDAMENTALIST-MILLENNIALIST-APOCALYPTICIST READING OF SCRIPTURE.'"

Christianity certainly is "in the midst of a global identity crisis," but that crisis is the result of theological accommodation and confusion -- not biblical literalism. In this context, biblical literalism is code language for any assertion of biblical authority or biblical inerrancy.

The RNS report also included this: "Although Hanson did not elaborate, mainline churches traditionally are uneasy with literal readings of Scripture, particularly in fundamentalist churches, regarding the end of the world and political unrest in the Middle East....

The liberal denominations long ago liberated themselves from anything close to a literal interpretation of Scripture. Over the past half-century, various heresies, aberrant beliefs systems, and theological movements have found a safe home under the umbrella of the "mainline" denominations. Now, Bishop Hansen want to convene a global council to combat literalist interpretations of the Bible.

My thoughts

Thats apostacy. As for me, I believe that God said what he meant. I take the Bible literally unless there is evidence that the passage is symbolic.

The words "like" and "as" are symbolic language. Eze. 1:26 is an example. It says, "above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets) was the LIKENESS of a throne, AS the appearance of a SAPPHIRE STONE: and upon the LIKENESS of the throne was the LIKENESS AS the appearance of a man (Jesus) above upon it." Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear.

Mt. Sinai was a type of Heaven. I wonder if its name is derived from Sani. Ex 24:10 says, "they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE STONE, and as it were the body of heaven (heavenly body) in his clearness."

There are many types in the Bible. When I first began reading it, I started at Genesis. Four times I gave up before I got too far. I found out that it is far better to read the New Testament first. Only after I found out that Israel played out little skits to help us understand prophecy did some of Israel's history get interesting. I can see the wisdom of starting with John and reading through the rest of the New Testament. Then starting with Isaiah and reading to John. Only after reading prophecy can the full meaning of some of Israel's history be understood.

"Don't let anyone deceive you. 10 virgins", from Five Doves site

Ed (16 Aug 2005)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2005/ed816-2.htm

Please, for your own sake, do not let anyone deceive you but read the Bible as it is.

Let's make this clear; the 5 virgins left behind are denied by Jesus. They asked to open the door but Jesus said "I don't know you". Do you think Jesus will open the door for them again in the future? Read the Bible as it is and do not try to impose human devised doctrines on it.

Then what happens to the 5 virgins left behid? They don't enter the Kingom of God. If Jesus denies anyone, how can he go to heaven?

This is made even clearer by the next parable.

The evil servants are thrown out to outside into the darkness. What's the darkness outside? That is hell. Only those are worthy will enter the Kingdom of God. Outside are the dogs, and the ones who do evil. Outside of the Kingdom of God is hell, eternal torment. And the place will be totally dark. You do not want to go there.

Don't let anyone deceive you by saying that even after the Rapture there will be a chance left to be saved. After the Rapture, the door is closed and will NOT open again.

After the door of the Ark of Noah was closed, was the door open again? No. Everyone who did not enter the Ark while it was open, perished by the Judgment of God.

It will be the same thing this time again. This time, after the rapture, the door is closed and everyone left behind will be subject to God's wraith (the 7 trumpets/bowls of plague). And this time, it won't be water. It will be by fire and alot of other horrific plagues.

When Jesus returns he will gather his elect and you'd BETTER be ready for that rapture. Do not get caught off guard. If you are ever caught off guard and don't get caught up in that rapture, you will spend the eternity with contempt and regret.

If anyone says you can still be saved after the rapture, do not believe him. That is different from the scripture. Believe the Bible but no one else who says otherwise.

By the way, the axe is on every tree that is not bearing fruits. If Jesus returns, it will be like the axe falling.

But don't forget the axe can fall even before that. That axe is the unexpected sudden death that can happen to anyone. If you die suddenly while not bearing fruit, the result will be the same as when Jesus returns and you get caught off guard.

So don't put it off and repent today and give your life to Jesus, today.

God bless you. Ed, esohn@regers.com

There won't be any rapture unless Jesus returns. Nobody will gather anyone before Jesus himself returns to gather his elect. The only rapture will happen in the Day of the Lord, the day Jesus returns.

My reply

> > the 5 virgins left behind are denied by Jesus. They asked to open the door but Jesus said "I don't know you". Do you think Jesus will open the door for them again in the future?

The door will get opened. Rev. 3:20 says, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."

The word "doors" is plural in the Fig-Tree Parable of Mt. 24:32-34. Door represents a Rapture. In Rev. 3:8, Jesus said, "behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR." That's the first Rapture. Doors, plural, represent the two Raptures.

There are two Raptures, the Pre-Trib Rapture and the Pre-Wrath Rapture. They happen at the first trump of God (I Thess. 4:16) and at the "last trump" (I Cor. 15:51,52).

The Pre-Trib saints are seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:8-10. It says, "saints. And they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God KINGS AND PRIESTS: and we shall reign on (over) the earth."

The Pre-Wrath saints are seen in Heaven in Rev. 7 and 14.

Rev. 7:14-16 tells us who they are. It says, "These are they which CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION (the second half of the 7-year Tribulation), and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and SERVE HIM DAY AND NIGHT IN HIS TEMPLE: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat." The 144,000 Israelites are in this group.

Rev. 14:4,5 says of the 144,000, "These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for THEY ARE WITHOUT FAULT BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD."

The Pre-Trib saints are the wise virgins. They are Philadelphians, before whom is set the "OPEN DOOR" (Rev. 3:8). At the time of the first Rapture, the 144,000, plus a great multitude that no man can number (Rev. 7:9), are foolish virgins that get cut off and left behind.

In the Preview of the first Rapture in Rev. 1, Jesus is seen in Heaven with "a sharp twoedged sword" coming out of his mouth. He has this sword to cut off the foolish virgins.

Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS."

Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him (the evil servant) asunder, and appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

We must be CALLED, CHOSEN AND FAITHFUL. Rev. 17:14 says, "he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Mat 22:8-14 says, "Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For MANY ARE CALLED, BUT FEW ARE CHOSEN."

On the Day of the Lord, before God's wrath hits Earth at noon (Zeph. 2,3-5), the Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place. Every believer will be in Heaven receiving his rewards when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth.

Rev. 11:15-19 says, "the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall REIGN (it's his Coronation Day, the first day of the Millennium) for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (at the Pre-Wrath Rapture), and wast (at the First Advent), and art to come (7 months later at the Second Advent); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry (Gog's army is attacking Israel), and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (AT THE JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST), and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD UNTO THY SERVANTS the prophets, and to the saints, AND THEM THAT FEAR THY NAME, SMALL AND GREAT; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament (with its two stone tablets): and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail" (when one of the two asteroids hits the Mediterranean Sea, (Zeph. 2:3-5).

On the Day of the Lord (Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets), the Pre-Trib saints will be gathered from one end of Heaven to the other. Mt. 24:31 says, "he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other".

At the same time, the Tribulation saints are gathered from EARTH. Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN."

At that time, all saints are called to the "GENERAL ASSEMBLY" (KJV) in Heaven. It is Christ's Coronation Day, the day of the Marriage of the Lamb, and the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Panegurei, translated "assembly", means a festal assembly (Thayer). It is talking about the Feast of Trumpets. Heb. 12:22,23 (NAB) says, "you have approached Mount Zion and the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and countless angels in FESTAL GATHERING, and the assembly of the firstborn enrolled in heaven, and God the judge of all, and the spirits of the just made perfect" (following the Second Rapture, as in I Cor. 15:51,52).

> > Don't let anyone deceive you by saying that even after the Rapture there will be a chance left to be saved. After the Rapture, the door is closed and will NOT open again.
> > After the door of the Ark of Noah was closed, was the door open again? No. Everyone who did not enter the Ark while it was open, perished by the Judgment of God.

The first Rapture is as the days of Noah. His wife was safe with him in the Ark.

The second Rapture is as the days of Lot. His wife didn't make it. "Luke 17:29 says, "the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all." It will be the same way after the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The wrath of God will hit Earth.the same day.

Gen. 7:17,18 says, "the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters."

In the days of Noah, the Ark was floated free of the ground within the first 40 days. Forty days after Cheshvan 17 is Kislev 28, 2005. In 2006, the 40th day will be Kislev 27. Hanukkah begins Kislev 25.

That reminds me of Haggai 2:18,19. It says, "Consider (siym, rehearse; lebab, understanding) now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. Is the seed yet in the barn? yea, as yet the vine, and the fig tree, and the pomegranate, and the olive tree, hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you." We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. I wonder if the Pre-Trib Rapture will be on on the Eve of Hannukah.

> > When Jesus returns he will gather his elect and you'd BETTER be ready for that rapture.

You think the Rapture will be on the day of the Second Advent. That can't be, for all the saints come back with Christ at that time. Rev. 19:14 says, "And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean." Zech 14:5 says, the LORD my God shall come, and ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE." All the saints have to be caught up to Heaven by the time of the Judgment Seat of Christ. All rewards are given that day to the saints, "small and great" (Rev. 11:18). That is Tishri 1, seven months (Eze. 39:12,13) before the Second Advent on Nisan 1 (Eze. 29:17,21; Hosea 6:3; Joel 2:23).

> > If anyone says you can still be saved after the rapture, do not believe him. That is different from the scripture.

Then how does the "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people and tongues" (Rev. 7:9) get saved? They come out of the Great Tribulation. That follows the Pre-Trib Rapture of Rev. 4:1.

All Israel will be saved in a day, the day that God's wrath is poured out. Isa. 66:8 says, "Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children."

> > There won't be any rapture unless Jesus returns. Nobody will gather anyone before Jesus himself returns to gather his elect. The only rapture will happen in the Day of the Lord, the day Jesus returns.

The Rapture is not the same as the Second Advent, when Jesus puts his feet on the Mt. of Olives (Zech. 14:4). We meet him in the air. 1Th 4:17 says, "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

As I understand it, the Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 4:1) will be before the Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the shortened Tribulation. The Pre-Wrath Rapture will be before noon (Zeph. 2:3-5) on the Day of the Lord, and there will be another 7 months (Eze 39:12,13) before the Second Advent. Agape

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Biblical Pool of Siloam Is Uncovered in Jerusalem
Aug 09 2005

Workers repairing a sewage pipe in the old city of Jerusalem have discovered the biblical Pool of Siloam, a freshwater reservoir that was a major gathering place for ancient Jews making religious pilgrimages to the city and the reputed site where Jesus cured a man blind from birth, the LOS ANGELES TIMES reports....

Egypt Online

http://www.sis.gov.eg/online/html1/index.htm

Mofaz: Complete withdrawal from Gaza and north of the West Bank within one month, August 25, 2005

My comment

Sept. 25 is Elul 21. The Feast of Trumpets is Tishri 1. Counted by inclusive reckoning, that block of time is 10 days. Hmmmm. Could that tie in with the 10 days in Rev. 2:10?

Earth's Core Rotates Faster than Surface, Study Confirms

By Ker Than, LiveScience Staff Writer, 25 August 05
http://www.livescience.com/forcesofnature/050825_earthcore.html

Earth's core is made of a solid inner part and a fluid outer part, all of it mostly iron.

My reply

I doubt that the core is solid. Think about the "bottomless pit." Rev. 9:1 says, "the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit." From that, I think the center of the Earth is molten. It is probably just denser than the surrounding area.

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