Pro and Con 1240

Posted 9-11-05

Incoming e-mail asking for our prayers

My sister was told today that her cancer is aggressive and terminal. She does not have long to live. She is 31 years old with a husband and two little children. We are asking Jesus for favor over her and for healing and for forgiveness and grace and mercy and the Armour of God upon her and her family. Please can you ask all you know to add them to there prayer list.

We are asking God almighty to favor her and that Jeremiah 29:11 is for her. In Jesus name. Amen. There names are: Mike and Toni Vanslyke. They live in Fairfield Washington.

Photo in the News: Fluorescent Shark Caught on Film

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0907_050907_glowingshark.html ...This still photo from a video taken on August 22 shows the first visual evidence of the fluorescent chain catshark. Scientists taking part in the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Operation Deep Scope 2005 expedition found the three-foot-long (one-meter-long) animal on the sea floor of the Gulf of Mexico....

Sun's String of Fury Continues as 7th Major Flare Erupts

By Robert Roy Britt, Sept 9, 05
http://space.com/scienceastronomy/050909_solar_flares.html

There have been seven major flares in recent days, including a tremendous X-17 eruption Wednesday. An event Friday evening was an X-6. On Saturday, an X-1 and an X-2 erupted. Even an X-1 can cause severe disruptions.

My reply

We had static on our radio Saturday evening while we listened to the Angel's baseball game. It had been clear in the afternoon. When the static began, it could be heard on both our radio and Dave's. It could not be tuned out.

Comets May Not Have Solid Cores, "Impact" Shows

Brian Handwerk, 9-8-05 http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/09/0908_050908_deep_impact.html NASA scientists didn't know quite what to expect when they crashed a half-ton spacecraft into the approximately four-mile-wide (six-kilometer-wide) Comet Tempel 1 on July 4.... One surprising revelation from the 23,000-mile-an-hour (37,000-kilometer-an-hour) collision is that Tempel 1 is a fragile ball composed of powdery fragments of ice and dust....

Did God send Katrina as judgment for Gaza?

Eerie parallels between forced evacuations spark speculation
By Aaron Klein, September 7, 2005
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46178

...Perhaps the first to publicly connect Katrina to the Gaza evacuation was famed Israeli conspiracy theorist Barry Chamish, who sent a mass e-mail noting, "GUsh is like GUlf, and KATif is like KATrina. If you take 'KAT' from KATif and KATrina, you are left with 'IF' and 'RAIN.' If you support Gush Katif evacuation, it will rain."

Chamish told WND yesterday: "Simple human beings cannot fully understand what is going on, but the events certainly must be connected. It's statistically impossible to have two such great natural disasters like the recent tsunami in Asia and Katrina right after each other. This is the hand of God. He is saying something."...

My comments

I too wonder about the great tsunami in Asia and Katrina. Both are very unusual. Are both signs?

Fresh Tiger Stripes on Saturn's Enceladus

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

My comment

To me, it looks like Enceladus got hit by a water comet similar to those hat hit Earth's atmosphere.

Vulnerable Cities - New Orleans, LA

By: Julie Galle http://www.weather.com/newscenter/specialreports/hurricanes/vulnerablecities/neworleans.html

Levees also keep the Mississippi River from flowing into the city. The river serves as New Orleans' southern boundary, until it takes a deep dip and actually cuts through the city near the French Quarter. Anyone watching passing ships quickly realizes the vessels are moving along a river whose surface is several yards above their heads....

"Every drop of water that comes into this city has to be pumped out. We're below sea level... but when you get a situation of a surge, the pumps would be under water. The pumps would be useless in that situation."

That happened when Betsy, a fast moving Category 3 storm, struck the city in 1965. "We experienced overtopping of the levees," Hijuelos said. Jim Singleton, the city councilman who oversees the water pumps, said it took nearly 8 hours to get the systems back to normal....

A system of water pumps (148 I read here:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050906/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_katrina)... drains water out from under the city 24 hours a day."
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168528,00.html
It could also take up to eight weeks to get the electricity back on.

Army trying to plug New Orleansí broken defences

Jeff Hecht - 31 August 2005
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7932

...Remaining flood water will have to be pumped out. The teams hope to use the existing pumps, normally used to remove rainwater. But even at peak performance, those pumps can only lower water level in the central New Orleans basin by about 1 foot per day....

He expects problems with the ageing pumps, which do a good job with relatively small amounts of rainwater, but "are not designed to be pumping Lake Pontchatrain out of the city". Other problems could include flood damage to pumps, debris clogging drainage channels, and failed electricity supplies....

KATRINA'S RISING TOLL - Water May Linger for Months

Sept 1, 2005
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-levees1sep01,0,7854368.story?coll=la-home-headlines

City pumps themselves are submerged, so officials must await nature's help...

The 17th Street Canal pumping station is the largest single drainage pump in the world, able to move 10,000 cubic feet of water per second. That's roughly how fast the Colorado River flows below Hoover Dam.

Here is some good news about the pumps in New Orleans

"Corps making deliveries, fixing pumps and levees"
http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/

...The corps and local officials also have restored 28 pumps in the New Orleans area, increasing the amount of water leaving the city to 9,000 cubic feet per second.

Another nine pumps now are online in Plaquemines Parish, removing 1,400 cubic feet per second from that leveed area....

Incoming e-mail, Vendyl Jones is... Looking for the Holy Ark

http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/pdfs2/Sept2005-01a.pdf

"In 1952, a seven foot scroll, unlike any other, was found in cave #3 at Qumran...It was made of the purest copper...It was also written by Shimor HaLevi. Yadin thought it was significant that the Scroll was written in the First Person, leading some to believe that it had been dictated by G-d to Moses. IT IS A DETAILED ACCOUNT OF HOW TO RE-INSTITUTE TEMPLE SERVICE."...

"The Scroll mentions that these treasures were hidden 'In the Cave of the Column by the River of the Dome,' and the remainder of the text provides a very large number of internal and external landmarkd relevant to locating the specific hiding places of the holy relics if only the interpretative code and correlations could be found....

"The most significant of these twelve chapters are the first and second chapters. The first chapter clearly lists the vessels that were hidden and the second chapter states the following. "These are the Holy Vessels and the vessels of the Temple that was in Jerusalem...

Incoming email, Re: Rapture

I don't think what I've written is Universalism, I got this from the Bible before I even knew what that was. Baptist's also teach that setting dates for the Rapture is wrong, but I think, as you do, that the Bible says differently. It says to watch. I've seen Baptists (I am too) use this very interpretation of Age, to prove dispensationalism. I don't agree with everything in the definition, there are many other Greek Scholars that say simply "to the end of the age", as one of the meanings for these terms. From what I can gather, Universalists seem to say do what you want with no consequences. I say Hell is a real consequence that you would be better off saved from. Better to pluck your eyes out than go. In the parable of the Wicked Servant, the servant is placed in "Prison" until his debt is paid. But nowhere in the current doctrine of Hell can you pay you debt. I believe faith in Christ pays the debt before you go to Prison, or I can even see this life as a "Prison" of sorts, but I just think there is more.

For instance, take the Muslims. They are a devout people, mentioned in the Bible as being a Thorn in Isreal's side. This was appointed by God, what choice do they have. Some are saved through the knowlege and Faith in Christ, but far too many will never listen. They wait for the Messiah to come to them through the flames after they have been purified. What if Hell is this place and God has not forsaken them either.

Take the Jews - They were waiting and still wait for the Messiah to come at Armegeddon, when he comes, the ones that lived until then will in effect be right. But they will have learned the error of their ways up until then. What about the ones that died before, that never had that chance?

I think God's plan makes perfect sense. There is Sin, there is forgiveness through Christ, there is and Eternal Heaven, there is a Hell for atonement of Sin (I guess this is more similar to Catholic Purgatory that what Universalist's believe, although I don't think Purgatory is a good description or good doctrine). The verses you've shown, point to the Everlasting Kingdom of Heaven, the Everlasting Christ, I agree with that interpretation.

If we have died to sin, we are already dead. When our Body dies, we will be in Paradise, waiting for the end. For those that die in sin, there is Hell. Both places are described, taking place before the White Throne Judgement. Hell is described as a "Prison", I think Christ can set those prisoner free.

The only ones that I know for sure can't be saved would be Satan and the Demons.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond. In Christ

My reply

> > I don't think what I've written is Universalism, I got this from the Bible before I even knew what that was.

How? When you make statements, would you please give the scripture that backs up your statement?

> > there are many other Greek Scholars that say simply "to the end of the age", as one of the meanings for these terms.

Aion can mean an age. It can also mean forever. The meaning has to be derived from the immediate context and the rest of the Bible. It doesn't always mean an age. Accepting that it always means an age is the way you can be led astray. Search for a clear statement that can't be misunderstood. Then you will know how to take the word aion. The Bible interprets itself.

> > In the parable of the Wicked Servant, the servant is placed in "Prison" until his debt is paid.

Jesus was teaching that we should forgive as we are forgiven.

Mt 18:32-35 says, "Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses."

That doesn't say that they would be put in Hell. The servant "fell down, and worshipped him." (Mt. 18:26). Do you really think that anyone that worships Christ is going to Hell? Tormentors could be on Earth during the Tribulation. Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder (cut him off), and appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

> > What about the ones that died before, that never had that chance?

The Lord took care of that himself. 1Pe 3:18-20 says, "Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also HE WENT AND PREACHED UNTO THE SPIRITS IN PRISON; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

> > there is a Hell for atonement of Sin

Try to find a scripture that will back you up on that. Atonement only comes through accepting Christ.
Rom 5:11 says, "we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the ATONEMENT."

> > When our Body dies, we will be in Paradise, waiting for the end. For those that die in sin, there is Hell. Both places are described, taking place before the White Throne Judgement.

Find a scripture that says Paradise it at the Great White Throne Judgment. Jesus took Paradise to Heaven on Resurrection Day.

Rev. 20:11-14 says, "I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face THE EARTH AND THE HEAVEN FLED AWAY; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Man is body, soul and spirit. The first death is of the body. The second death is of the soul. I have never found any scripture that shows that the spirit will die, ever.

> > Hell is described as a "Prison", I think Christ can set those prisoner free.

Of course, he can. He is God. But think about why he made a prison for Satan and his fallen angels in the first place. He must have judged them and sentenced them to their prison. It looks like Satan appealed his sentence, maybe saying something like, "How could a good God sentence his creatures to prison?" Man may have been created to show Satan that God is justified in putting the angels that disobeyed in prison. If man, that is created not being able to see God, can obey, God is just in putting the disobedient angels, that were created being able to see God, in prison. There is an Angelic Conflict going on, and Satan will be the loser. However, God will have proved to Satan and his fallen angels that God is perfectly just in putting them in their prison. Agape

Incoming e-mail

Ed (29 Aug 2005)
"To those who believe there is a second chance after the lord's return (rapture)"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2005/ed829.htm

To Marilyn Agee, Sorana, Eric and the Doves;

I would really like your honest answer on this question. When you read Jesus' saying below, does it look like he will open the door again to give a second chance?

Mathew 25:11 "Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the door for us!' 12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.' 13"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. The above writing is a plain English that anyone can understand. Is Jesus saying here that he will open the door again?

Ed, esohn@rogers.com

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying you can't be saved during the Great Tribulation. People will be saved during the Tribulation. It's just that there will not be any rapture before the Great Tribulation.

So it's not the second chance that are given during the Great Tribulation.

My reply

> > Mathew 25:11" Later the others also came. 'Sir! Sir!' they said. 'Open the DOOR for us!' 12"But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I don't know you.'

> > Is Jesus saying HERE that he will open the door again?

No, but neither did he say that everything on one subject would be in one place. Quite to the contrary, Isa. 28:9-13 says, "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and WHOM SHALL HE MAKE TO UNDERSTAND DOCTRINE? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; HERE A LITTLE, AND THERE A LITTLE: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; HERE A LITTLE, AND THERE A LITTLE; that they (THE WICKED) might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."

Dan. 12:10 says, "Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND, BUT THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND."

Mat 24:32,33 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the DOORS (PLURAL).

Mark 13:29 says, "So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the DOORS (PLURAL).

> > there will not be any rapture before the Great Tribulation

Don't be too sure. There is a FIRST TRUMP and a 'LAST TRUMP" to call the elect up to Heaven. The first "trump of God" is in I Thess. 4:16. The "last trump" is in I Cor. 15:51,52. The first "trump of God" is before the Tribulation. The "last trump" is at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation. At the first Rapture, the dead in Christ will be "raised in incorruption" (I Cor. 15:42). I assume that the living will also be made incorrupt. At the last Rapture, all saints will be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, AND this mortal must put on immortality" (I Cor. 15:52,53).

The elect already in HEAVEN, having been caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture, are gathered to the "GENERAL ASSEMBLY...IN HEAVEN" (Heb. 12:23) at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation. We read about that in Mt. 24:31. It says, "he shall send his angels with a great sound of A TRUMPET (the first trumpet sounds again), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

At the same time, the Tribulation saints are caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Mark 13:27 says, And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (i.e., the Pre-Wrath saints) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (i.e., the Pre-Trib saints).

The type is in Num 10:1-4. It says, "the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest USE THEM FOR THE CALLING OF THE ASSEMBLY (of Heb. 12:23), and for the JOURNEYHING of the CAMPS (PLURAL). And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both), ALL THE ASSEMBLY shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And IF THEY BLOW BUT WITH ONE TRUMPET, then the princes (the ELDERS, 12 patriarchs and 12 apostles of Israel), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall GATHER THEMSELVES UNTO THEE" (at the Pre-Trib Rapture, Rev. 4:4).

In Rev 3:8, Jesus tells the Philadelphians, the ones he does not have any words of condemnation for, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee AN OPEN DOOR (SINGULAR, i.e., the FIRST TRUMP OF GOD, I Thess. 4:16,17), and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name."

Here is that Pre.Trib Rapture: Rev 4:1 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a DOOR was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard (Christ) was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, COME UP HITHER, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter" (after the Rapture). Right after being caught up to Heaven, we will see the 24 elders sitting on thrones and crowned (Rev. 4:4).

The first group of saints "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" sing the NEW SONG in Rev. 5:9, before the first seal is broken in Rev. 6.

Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He BROUGHT ME UP (at the Pre-Trib Rajpture) also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (as Jeremiah was lifted out of the miry pit in the earth), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings (the Pre-Trib Rapture). And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it (THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." The new believers will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture at the end of the Shortened Tribulation.

At that time, the 144,000 will be added to the Bride group. They "sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that SONG but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth" Rev 14:3).

Why only the 144,000 and not the "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations" (Rev. 7:9)? It will be because "they are virgins (i.e., now become wise virgins)...WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God" (Rev. 14:4,5). Both the 144,000 and the great multitude will come "out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 5:9).

So, a second chance IS given during the Great Tribulation. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Rewards in Heaven

I think it was in your webpage, I read something about rewards in Heaven. I cant quote it, but I've been thinking about it alot.

Here's whats on my mind;

When we go to Heaven, we will be rewarded.

But the way I understood it was that each of us will be rewarded differently.

Will souls received more rewards than other souls in heaven and why?

My reply

In Heaven, at the Judgment Seat of Christ, believers will either receive rewards or lose rewards, but they will be saved either way. We are saved by our faith in Jesus. It is a free gift.

Eph. 2:8-10 (KJV) says, "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

In 1Cor. 3:9-15, Paul said, "we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

When a person accepts Christ as their own personal Saviour, all past sins are wiped off the slate. We get a fresh start. Jesus (who is both God and man) baptizes us (fills us) with his Holy Spirit, also called the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. 2Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

Romans 8:9 says, "ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

As we continue our life here, we sin. It's human nature. This causes the level of the Holy Spirit to go down somewhat. We can't lose our sealing, but we can quench the Holy Spirit to some degree. 1Thess 5:19 says, "Quench not the Spirit." Eph. 5:18 says, "be filled with the Spirit".

First John 1:9 shows us what we should do to again be filled with the Holy Spirit. It says, "If we confess our sins (i.e., known ones), he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (known and unknown sins).

At this point, the Holy Spirit is like a fountain of living water welling up inside us. We are filled with the Holy Spirit and "agape" love, God's kind of love, the very best kind, way beyond brotherly love.

When filled with the Holy Spirit, our good deeds earn us rewards in Heaven.

1Co 13:1-8 (LITV) says, "If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have love (Greek, agape), I have become as sounding brass or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophecies, and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith so as to move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give out all my goods, and if I deliver my body that I be burned, but I do not have love, I am not profited anything. Love has patience, is kind; love is not envious; love is not vain, is not puffed up; does not behave indecently, does not pursue its own things, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices in the truth. Love quietly covers all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: hell

I would like to check your thoughts on something. It seems that there is a lot of conversation and questioning about heaven but very little about hell. I know the bible tells us many picturesque things but I believe true hell is separation from God. What I mean is someone who finally knows who God is and this person cannot get to Him now because his time is up. I believe an example of this is in Lk. 16:19-26. Iím thinking that a true picture of what hell will be like is in Ex. 10:21-23. It says that the darkness was so heavy it could be felt. Everyone could not move from the spot they were in and the only thing they could see was the lights in Israelís camp. This may be a picture of hell. Stuck in one spot forever and being able to see heaven and not being able to get there. To me this would be pure hell.

My reply

I don't know a whole lot about hell either, but I know enough to be sure I don't want to go there. I think of a cavity deep in the Earth where there is both fire and darkness. That isn't the easiest thing in the world to understand right there. (Re: Egypt) > > Ex. 10:21-23. It says that the darkness was so heavy it could be felt. Everyone could not move from the spot they were in and the only thing they could see was the lights in Israelís camp. They probably couldn't even see the lights in Israel's houses. Ex. 10:23 says, "They saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings. > > I believe true hell is separation from God... That sounds right, but then what do you make of God being omnipresent? He is Spirit (Jn. 4:24), and Psa. 139:7,8 says, "Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell (sheol), behold, thou art there." Could it just be separation from his benevolence? < < What I mean is someone who finally knows who God is and this person cannot get to Him now because his time is up. I believe an example of this is in Lk. 16:19-26. I think you are right on his time being up. Besides the example in Luke 16:19-26, Heb 9:27 says, "it is appointed unto men ONCE TO DIE, but after this the judgment". Here are some verses that mention hell. De. 32:22 says, "For a FIRE is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the LOWEST HELL (sheol), and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains." I figure this fire will be the result of the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impacting Earth on the Day of God's Wrath. Psa 86:12,13 says, "I (David) will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart: and I will glorify thy name for evermore. For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the LOWEST HELL (sheol)." Where is the lowest hell? Could it be the molten center of the Earth, the bottomless pit of Rev. 9? Psa 9:17 says, "The wicked shall be turned into hell (sheol), and all the nations that forget God." Psa 55:15 says, "Let death seize upon them, and let them GO DOWN QUICK INTO HELL (sheol): for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them." Pro 7:27 says, "Her house is the way to HELL (Heb., sheol), GOING DOWN to the chambers of death." Mat 5:22 says, "I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of HELL (Gr., geenna, gehennah, hell) FIRE." Mat 5:29 says, "if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell." Man is body, soul and spirit. Mat 10:28 says, "fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL." Only the spirit of man remains after that. In all my studies, I haven't been able to find any references that refer to death of the spirit. Isa 66:24 says, "they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for THEIR WORM SHALL NOT DIE, NEITHER SHALL THEIR FIRE BE QUENCHED; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh." Mark 9:43-48 says, "if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into HELL, INTO THE FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED: WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED." Mt 23:33 says, "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?" Luke 16:23 says, "in HELL (hades) he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom." 2Peter 2:4 says, "God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to HELL (tartaroo, tartarus, the deepest abyss in Hades), and delivered them into chains of DARKNESS, to be reserved unto judgment". Rev 20:13 says, "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and HELL (hades) delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." Rev 20:14 says, "death and HELL (hades) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." A man and his wife came to see me when I lived in Yorba Linda, CA. He said that at two different times, he had a heart attack and died, went to hell, and was brought back to life. After that, he accepted Christ. He didn't want to go to hell again. I asked him what hell was like. He said it was dark. He also said, "You can't believe how awful it was to be there without the presence of God." Since God is omnipresent, it must be that he couldn't tell that he was there. Also, it is hard to imagine how there could be both fire and darkness there. Mark 9:43 says, "if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into HELL, into THE FIRE THAT NEVER SHALL BE QUENCHED". If you find out more about hell, please let me know. Agape

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