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Posted 9-21-05

Engineers: New Orleans 'basically dry'

9-20-05
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/20/katrina.nola.levees/index.html

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This is, in my opinion very beautiful and in a way, scary photo. Seeing this on sky would surely scare some people. Maranatha
http://kr.img.blog.yahoo.com/ybi/1/b7/f3/pjini98/folder/6/img_6_327_5? 1126892985.jpg

Re: Meaning of the Hebrew year 5766

http://www.arutzsheva.com/news.php3?id=89850

...The Rabbi explained that the numerical Hebrew abbreviation for 5766, taf, shin, samech, vav gives insight into the nature of the upcoming year. "This will be a year of secret (or sod, from the letter samech) and revelation (or v'giliu from the letter vav….

Masonic Display In The Middle Of The Street

The Golden Report
http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=963&z=1



As usual symbolism means everything in this organization. The two columns represents the two pillars of Solomon’s Temple....

“J” (Jachin) Means in Hebrew “He will found (or be established)”. “B” (Boaz) mean “in Him, strength”....

This black ball has small gold dots it is a map of the stars in the sky having a meaning of which I am not certain....

My comments

The display at Eilat proves that the pillars represent Boaz and Jachin, the pillars of the Temple Solomon built. Rev. 3:12 says, "Him that overcometh will I make a PILLAR IN THE TEMPLE OF MY GOD, AND THE NAME OF THE CITY OF MY GOD, WHICH IS NEW JERUSALEM".

I think Boaz and Jachin actually represent the two Raptures, one before the Tribulation, the other on the Feast of Trumpets between the breaking of the sixth seal in Rev. 6:12 and the seventh seal in Rev. 8:1. Rev. 7:9,14 tells us about the saints "which came out of great tribulation". Chances are good that the tops of the pillars were actually bowl-shaped olive-oil lamps. This ties in with the wise virgins having enough oil to keep their lamps burning brightly.

The spheres on top of the Masonic pillars seem to depict that Lucifer will possess both Heaven and Earth. He won't, but that is what he hopes to do. Job 41:9 assures us that "the hope of him is in vain."

Gen 14:22 says, "Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, THE MOST HIGH GOD, THE POSSESSOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH."

Isa 14:12-15 says, "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN, I WILL EXALT MY THRONE ABOVE THE STARS OF GOD: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL BE LIKE THE MOST HIGH. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

In the lower orders, the Masonic Blazing star represents liberty of conscience and political freedom. In the highest orders, it represents the same as the sun god of pagan religions--Lucifer, who is Satan.

I think the seven stars of the "stairway to Heaven" pictured below actually represent the same as Josephus said the lamps on the candlestick did in the Temple--(1) Sun, (2) Mercury, (3) Venus, (4) Earth, (5) Mars, (6) Jupiter and (7) Saturn (the third Heaven, Paradise).
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Two pillars
http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/pillars.html

...The "globes celestial and terrestrial" which usually surmount American Lodge room pillars are wholly modern inventions, without basis in Scriptural fact. Somewhere, at some time, some ritual maker confused the spherical form of the chapiter with an additional sphere. Desiring to account for it, he drew a map of the world on one and a map of the heavens on the other! But in the Kings and Chronicles accounts and in Josephus, there are no mentions of celestial and terrestrial globes....
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The Fellowcraft Pillars
http://www.grandlodgeoftexas.org/program-1.php

...The explanation of the Fellowcraft Degree in the Masonic ritual provides very similar details of the two pillars provided in both the Biblical account of I Kings and that of Flavius Josephus. However, the Masonic ritual alludes to TWO SPHERICAL BODIES PLACED ON TOP OF THE PILLARS, WHICH REPRESENT THE TERRESTRIAL AND CELESTIAL SPHERES upon which maps of the features of the earth’s surface and heavenly bodies were depicted. An account of King Solomon’s Temple in II Chronicles 4: 13 suggests the pillars were topped with bowl-like containers. This Masonic addition, however, does not distract from the symbolism that together THESE SPHERICAL SHAPES REPRESENT THE UNIVERSALITY OF FREEMASONRY....
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Albert Pike 33°, Morals and Dogma, page 486
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/siriusmystery.html

The Ancient Astronomers saw all the great Symbols of Masonry in the Stars. Sirius glitters in our lodges as the Blazing Star.
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The Blazing Star and the Jewish Kabbalah
By William B. Greene, R.A. Gilbert
http://www.anathemabooks.com/mason.shtml

...William Greene...first published in 1872, with a stirring account of THE SIGNIFICANT MASONIC SYMBOL OF THE BLAZING STAR --a symbol also of liberty of conscience and political freedom, goals that we must seek in both the spiritual and material worlds.
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The Blazing Star
http://www.darkstar1.co.uk/ds20.html

The Freemasons have a tremendous interest in a 'Blazing Star' that is said to represent Sothis, or Sirius....

We first considered the Crescent and Seven Stars icon with the 'Talisman of Orpheus'. It is not an uncommon symbol, it seems, but its importance has not been recognised previously. On this gravestone the same symbolism is deployed in an evidently Masonic context. This is the Brierly Tomb at Mellor, Greater Manchester, England (15). The Angel and the Mason are both pointing in the direction of this curious motif (circled), which is found close to Aries on this occasion. The Mason appears to be stood upon a five-pointed star (Sirius), and a ladder extends towards the Crescent and 7 Stars (a Stairway to Heaven?)....

...a Masonic medal showing the radiant triangle at the top. It is surrounded by a semi-circle of discs, numbering seven. The medal was awarded for charitable work, but the imagery employed also hints at Jesus/Mary or Horus/Isis....

This Scottish Lodge (St Bryde No 579) boasts a Blazing Star that appears very much like a classic Winged Disc (16).
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Masonic Pillars and Altar Door Stop
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/Masonic_Altar_and_Pillars_Door_Stop.htm

This beautiful door stop was cast to display the inside of a Blue Lodge room with the Pillars of Boaz and Jachin, the Altar with the Three Great Lights (Holy Bible, Square and Compasses) opened on the top and the Three Lesser Lights (burning tapers) placed in a triangular position about the Altar.
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FREEMASONRY AND LUCIFER
MASONIC GRAND LODGES PROMOTE THE TEACHING THAT LUCIFER IS THE HOLY SPIRIT.
http://www.ephesians5-11.org/gllink.htm

...Beginning as far back as 1886, Waite issued his study of the Mysteries of Magic, a digest of the writings of Eliphas Levi, to whom Albert Pike was more indebted than he let us know....

The Mysteries of Magic contains the following on page 428:

What is more absurd and more impious than to attribute the name of LUCIFER to the devil, that is, to personified evil, The intellectual Lucifer is the spirit of intelligence and love; IT IS THE PARACLETE, IT IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, while the physical Lucifer is the great agent of universal magnetism....

Pike wrote on page 321 of Morals and Dogma that, "Lucifer is the Light Bearer." Freemasonry is said to be a search after light....

Masonic literature, such as this work of Eliphas Levi and Arthur Edward Waite, often does not contain what Christians would consider a conventional understanding of Lucifer, or the devil. This work declares Lucifer to be God, if we view the statements from the perspective of someone who believes in the Trinity. Levi and Waite have blasphemed the Holy Spirit....
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Quotations written by high level Masons praising Lucifer
http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/luciferquotes.html

Sister Helena Petrovna Blavatsky 32°
Ancient and Accepted Primitive Rite
Grand Orient of France
The Secret Doctrine

"Lucifer represents..Life..Thought..Progress..Civilization.. Liberty..Independence..LUCIFER IS THE LOGOS..THE SERPENT, THE SAVIOR." pages 171, 225, 255 (Volume II)
"IT IS SATAN WHO IS THE GOD OF OUR PLANET AND THE ONLY GOD." pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 533, (VI)
"The Celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving beneficent Deity...but in antiquity and reality Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. LUCIFER IS DIVINE AND TERRESTIAL LIGHT, 'THE HOLY GHOST' AND "SATAN' AT ONE AND THE SAME TIME." page 539...

There is considerable literature relating to Blavatsky's Masonic connections. In her Scrapbook, vol.III, p.256, on January 1878, she recorded that she received a diploma of the 32nd Degree in the Ancient and Primitive Rite of England and Wales....

My outgoing email, Re: Rapture (incoming email omitted because of the length)

> > I do not say that Christ isn't the way, I say that people may find him while they are in hell. There is only one way to be saved, through Christ.

That doesn't jibe with Heb 9:27. It says, "it is appointed unto men ONCE TO DIE, but after this the judgment".

John 5:29 says, "And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the RESURRECTION OF LIFE; and they that have done evil, unto the RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION."

It is one or the other. After the Resurrection of Life, the Lord Jesus Christ will judge those at the Judgment Seat of Christ. After the Resurrection of Damnation, he will judge those at the Great White Throne Judgment.

Our names are in the Book of Life. This book is mentioned in the following scriptures. Phil 4:3 says, "I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellow labourers, whose names are in the book of life."

Rev 3:5 says, "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

Rev 13:8 says, "all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him (The Beast), whose names are not written in the BOOK OF LIFE of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Rev 17:8 says, "The beast (Satan) that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit (Mid Trib), and go into perdition (the False Prophet, the 2nd Son of Perdition): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the BOOK OF LIFE from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast (great red dragon, i.e., Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now), and yet is" (exists).

Rev 20:12-14 says, "I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the BOOK OF LIFE: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Their names will not appear in the Book of Life. No amount of works will save them. Man is body, soul and spirit. The first death is death of the body. The second death is death of the soul. I haven't found any scripture that says that there is a third death, or that the spirit of man will die.

In Mt. 23:33, Jesus told the Pharisees, "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the DAMNATION OF HELL? Mark 3:29 says, "he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost HATH NEVER (ou, the absolutely negative adverb) FORGIVENESS, but is in danger of ETERNAL (aio¯nios, perpetual, forever, everlasting) DAMNATION."

Isa 66:24 says, "they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for THEIR WORM SHALL NOT DIE, NEITHER SHALL THEIR FIRE BE QUENCHED; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh." Mark 9:43-48 says, "if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into HELL, INTO THE FIRE THAT NEVER (ou, the absolutely negative adverb) SHALL BE QUENCHED: WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT (ou), AND THE FIRE IS NOT (ou) QUENCHED. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never (ou) shall be quenched: WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT (ou), AND THE FIRE IS NOT (ou) QUENCHED. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into HELL FIRE: WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT (ou), AND THE FIRE IS NOT (ou) QUENCHED."

Rev 21:27 And there shall IN NO WISE enter into it (New Jerusalem) any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

> > Where does the Bible say Paradise is no more? It does say the New Heavens and Earth are created after the Great White Throne Judgment. Since that hasn't happened, why wouldn't Paradise still exist? I've never been able to figure out where this comes from. As I read the Bible, Eden (Paradise) was created and Adam and Eve were cast out. It seems like the same word was then used to describe where Abraham and Lazarus went. It makes sense. It would then be replaced for the Millenial Reign, and then all made new after the Great White Throne.

Ever since Jesus took the saints in Paradise to Heaven on Resurrection Day, Paradise exists in Heaven.

2Co 12:2-6 says, "I knew a man in Christ [Paul is talking about himself] above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me."

> > It does say the New Heavens and Earth are created after the Great White Throne Judgment.

I think that after the asteroid impacts, the atmospheric heavens and the earth will need renewing to make Earth a fit habitat for man during the Millennium. Rev. 20:1 says, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away, and there was no more sea." Psa 104:30 says, "Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou RENEWEST THE FACE OF THE EARTH."

Psa 72:8 says, "He shall have dominion also from SEA TO SEA, and from the river unto the ends of the earth." There is a literal sea. I think the sea that is no more is the so-called Holy See that the Pope comes out of (Rev. 13:1).

> > > Rev. 20:11-15 says, "I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and DEATH AND HELL delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And DEATH AND HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."
> > This Revelation verse is one that most supports my case. You say it yourself. Nothing says we will be there. Only the people and the Demons from hell. If that is the case, who will, at that time be found written in the book of life? It won't be the demons, It won't be us. Could it be the people, if they have found Christ?

I think that no one at the Resurrection of Damnation will have their names in the Book of Life. They will be condemned because their names are not in the Book of Life. No amount of works is enough to save them.

> > Thanks for you thoughts, I'm still researching this myself, and your input really helps. I'm not the best as this kind of thing, but I have faith and an analytical mind. I'm still not convinced there is no hope after death.
> > If you're willing, keep sending your thoughts, I think we can get to the truth. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've not been able to disprove myself.

"DEATH AND HELL delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And DEATH AND HELL were cast into the lake of fire."

To me, it is simple. DEATH AND HELL will be resurrected in the Resurrection of Damnation. They will be judged by whether their name is in the Book of Life. It is not, so all those out of DEATH AND HELL will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

Satan, the Beast and the False Prophet will end up in the Lake of Fire.

Rev. 20:10 says, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Agape

My reply to his reply. Re: Rapture (incoming email omitted because of the length)

> > I'll try to address each verse, with an interpretation that fits with my theory

You may find out that trying to shoehorn verses into a theory is the wrong way to try to find out the truth. You don't want to end up bending the truth. If you gather all the verses together that you can find about one subject and try to see what picture they paint, letting the chips fall where they may, you have a better chance of figuring things out correctly.

> > I don't see how the 2 Cor 12:2-6 Verse means that Paradise isn't the same now as it was when Jesus talked about it referring to Lazarus. I've read many differing viewpoints, I can't find strong evidence that says Paradise ever moved. Is there something that makes that clearer?

Yes. In Luke 16:19-31, ABRAHAM'S BOSOM (i.e., PARADISE) IS IN THE EARTH. So is "hell" (Hades), where the rich man ended up.

Luke 23:43 says, "Jesus said unto him (the thief on the cross), Verily I say unto thee, TO DAY SHALT THOU BE WITH ME IN PARADISE." This refers to the Paradise that was in the Earth. Mat 12:40 says, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH."

II Cor. 12:2 says that Paul was "CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN."Verse 4 says that "he was CAUGHT UP INTO PARADISE." Somewhere along the line, Paradise moved from Earth to Heaven. I think it was on Resurrection Sunday.

At first, the tree of life was on Earth, then it too was moved to Heaven. Gen 2:9 says, "out of the ground (on Earth) made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the TREE OF LIFE also in the midst of the garden". Rev 2:7 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the TREE OF LIFE, which is in the midst of the PARADISE of God.". Paradise here is in the heavenly New Jerusalem.

Rev 22:2 says, "In the midst of the street of it (the heavenly New Jerusalem), and on either side of the river, was there the TREE OF LIFE, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

Rev 22:14 says, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the TREE OF LIFE, and may enter in through the gates into the city" (the heavenly New Jerusalem).

With that background, we can now understand Eph 4:7-10. It says, "WHEN HE (Jesus) ASCENDED UP ON HIGH, HE LED CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE, AND GAVE GIFTS UNTO MEN (the saints in Paradise). (Now that he ascended, what is it but that HE ALSO DESCENDED FIRST INTO THE LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH?"

[to Paradise]? He that descended [to Paradise] is the same also that ASCENDED up [with Paradise and its saints] far above all HEAVENS, that he might fill all things.)"

> > Jesus asked for forgiveness for those that "know not what they do" from the cross, yet here he is saying blot them from the book of life. That doesn't seem to fit with his personality, unless the ones he is talking about here are the Demons. The ones who can't be forgiven.

Unless men believe in Jesus, they can't be saved, even if certains sins are forgiven. Their sin of unbelief keeps them from being saved.

Perfect justice fits his personality. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." Along with omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, and perfect love, one of God's attributes is perfect justice. He is obligated to carry out perfect justice.

> > I've never tried to imply that Hell will be a good place to be. People need to avoid this at all costs. The fire does not end, but People will come out at the final Judgement. That is for sure. I say that it is possible, that they could learn of Jesus from across the chasm.

It would be a huge chasm, from Hell in the Earth to New Jerusalem in Heaven. The unsaved do not have their names in the Book of Life. Therefore, at the Great White Throne judgment, they will all be cast into the Lake of Fire.

Rev 20:11-15 says, "I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works (no amount of works can save them). And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And DEATH AND HELL WERE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire."

None of those in Hell have their name in the Book of Life. Since their works can't save them, they will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Their body dies when they go to Hell. Their soul dies when they go into the Lake of Fire. That's the second death. Only their spirit will be left. That is probably what is meant when scripture says that their worm won't die.

Isa. 66:24 says, "their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

Mar 9:43,44 says, "if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. " Agape

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