Pro and Con 1250

Posted 10-27-05

The Menorah on the Arch of Titus in Rome


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menorah

Mt. Sinai shows up on satellite image of the Negev

http://www.science.co.il/images/satellite/f/Negev-STS037-151-124.jpg

Mt. Sinai is in the desert 30 miles inland from where the Brook of Egypt empties into the Mediterranean Sea at Al Arish. The inland route called The Way to Shur ran near Mt. Sinai (also called Jebel Helal) on the side facing the Sea.

MJA: Is this a Sign of the Nearness of the Tribulation?

"Leading Kabbalist Urges Jews to Israel - More Disasters Coming"
By Baruch Gordon, 10-17-05
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=91417

...Rabbi Yitzhak Kaduri said, "Jews must come to the land of Israel TO RECEIVE OUR RIGHTEOUS MASHIACH, WHO HAS BEGUN HIS INFLUENCE and will reveal himself in the future."...The Rabbi said that the disasters are directly related to the redemption process, which will culminate in the coming of the Mashiach.

The Rabbi added that in the near future, another wave of natural disasters will strike the world....and said that THE LARGE OCEANS [Haokeanus hagadol] WOULD STRIKE THE WORLD....

Rabbi Kaduri lowered his head and entered a deep mystical concentration....after some 45 minutes, the Rabbi...declared, "With the help of G-d, THE SOUL OF THE MASHIACH HAS ATTACHED ITSELF TO A PERSON IN ISRAEL"....

September 24, 2001..."On Hashanah Rabba, the actual war of Gog and Magog will commence and will last for some seven years,"...

Those close to Rabbi Kaduri say in his name that the 5th year of this redemption process is now beginning.

They explain that the above-mentioned "ATTACHING" OF A RIGHTEOUS SOUL TO A PERSON OF ISRAEL MAKES THE RECIPIENT A CANDIDATE FOR MASHIACH, BUT NOT YET THE ACTUAL MASHIACH. THIS PERSON GETS AN ADDITIONAL SOUL which finds expression in the adding of a letter to his name, without changing its pronunciation. The elder Rabbi Kaduri says that the letter added to this person's name is "vav" and the secret of his power is a Star of David hidden in his attire....

Rabbi Kaduri tells that the Ben Ish Chai blessed him that he would live to see the revelation of the Mashiach....
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Kabbalist Urges Jews to Israel Ahead of Upcoming Disasters
By Baruch Gordon, 9-21-05
http://www.israelnn.com/news.php3?id=89850

...a warning, so that Jews in the countries of the world will be aware of the impending danger and will come to the Land of Israel FOR THE BULIDING (BUILDING) OF THE TEMPLE AND REVELATION OF OUR RIGHTEOUS MASHIACH...

The Rabbi explained that the numerical Hebrew abbreviation for 5766, taf, shin, samech, vav gives insight into the nature of the upcoming year. "THIS WILL BE A YEAR OF SECRET (OR SOD, FROM THE LETTER SAMECH) AND REVELATION (OR V'GILIU FROM THE LETTER VAV)....

Just two weeks before the devastating tsunami in southeast Asia, Rabbi Kaduri was quoted..."We are now in the fourth year of what could be the seven-year Redemption period, according to the calculation of the Vilna Gaon. [However.] in the coming three years, uncertainty about the future will hang over our heads, unless we work and strive that the Mashiach be revealed.

THE MASHIACH IS ALREADY IN ISRAEL...THE CURRENT GOVERNMENT WILL BE THE LAST ONE OF THE "OLD ERA." HE IS ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT SHARON WILL BE THE LAST PRIME MINISTER IN ISRAEL, AND THAT THE NEW GOVERNMENT WILL ALREADY HAVE LEADERSHIP OF THE MESSIANIC ERA.

My comment

For them to be saying things like this, the Rapture must be close. This may well be the year of secret and revelation. The tsunami in southeast Asia hit Sumatra on Dec. 26, 2004. Maybe the church got a one-year warning at that time. Dec. 26, 2005, just happens to be Hanukkah, The Feast of Dedication, The Feast of Lights. As wise virgins, we must keep our lights shining brightly. We might be caught up to Heaven on the Feast of Lights.

Incoming e-mail

http://www.christian-forum.net/index.php?s=7ba46ecf7529e3de14c94824bcebea5f&showtopic=1894&st=5&p=15046&#entry15046

Left to Right:
European Commissioner Benita Ferrero-Waldner, UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan,Condi Rice and Javier Solana

Comment: The 6's actually belong to "60." It's the UN's 60th anniversary and the "world" is inside the 0's.

But ya know.....gee whiz!.......why did they have to place it up there 3 times?! Seems on purpose to me. ~Karen

Incoming e-mail, Re: Khouse just wrote an article that may further back up your 38 year theory.. AND IM EXCITED !!!!

http://www.khouse.org/articles/2005/580/

Just sending you this link, as its another way to confirm the 38 years, don't know if you've looked at the Olivet discourse this way before but if you haven't it has cleared up many conflicts I've had with the 3 passages.. AND IM EXCITED!!!!! This could well be the year..

By the way I've been a reader of your site for a while now and love reading about your ideas on timing... one of the few sites that even condone the practice, but I find just searching for a possible date is well worth the effort when you find little treasures like this one.

My reply

Thanks for sending the article "Resolving the Olivet Discourse," by Chuck Missler. It's interesting, but I don't think his 38 years is figured accurately.

Missler said, "Luke's rendering deals with the fall of Jerusalem that occurred 38 years later in 70 a.d. Matthew all but ignores it. Luke notes that "this generation shall not pass away until all be fulfilled."6 It is interesting that Jerusalem fell 38 years later, the very same duration that it took for that earlier generation to expire during the wanderings in the wilderness."."

We know that Jerusalem fell in 70 AD. Subtracting his 38 years brings us to 32 AD for the Crucifixion. I don't think that is the right year.

Herod began to build the temple in BC 19/20. Thus the 1st Passover of Jesus' ministry was in 27 AD, 46 years later. This places the Crucifixion in 30 AD instead of 32 AD.

The Israelites were in the wilderness 40 years. The 38 years was from the time that the spies returned to Moses to the Israelite"s entry into the Promised Land.

Nevertheless, the 38 years of John 5:5 could be a clue we don't want to pass up in case 2005 would be the year of the Rapture, 38 years after the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War of 1967. Maybe the Rapture will be on Hanukkah (see top article on my Home Page). Agape

Incoming email, Re: Rapture

I was just scanning the internet, looking for information on the Rapture. I was thinking the date may be Aug 3, 2008, so I searched on the date and your site came up. I started to read through your stuff, but It was pretty involved. I was interested in the Days of Daniel, I think that they may point to the rapture. I think you are right, if you watch, you will be able to recognize the date and the season. I came upon the date above by a different means. I'm not a great bible scholar, but I've noticed that the bible repeats itself. My thinking is that there are 5 basic time periods that apply to people, Moses and the Law, The Church, The Tribulation, The 1000 years and Hell. I take the bible to apply to everyone, so I think that the prophecies end up the same in each period. I think they tell you the period they apply literally to, but also apply figuratively to the others. For instance, the literal antichrist will appear in the tribulation, but there are antichrists today in a more figurative sense. People have been adding up names to total 666 for a long time, I think they were right, they had found an antichrist, just not "the" antichrist. Anyway, with my line of thinking, all of these time periods end with the return of Christ. He was born/Crucified ending the time of the Law, he will rapture the church ending this time period, he will come at armegeddon ending the tribulation and will come for the final judgement. The sign that caught my attention was during the crucifixion the sun darkened. I attribute this to a total eclipse, symbolically the time the moon (symbol of Satan and the night) blocks the Sun (Son) from view. The next total eclipse happens on Aug 1, 2008. Coincedently, this is on a Friday. Since the tomb was found empty on Sunday morning, He arose sometime Saturday night/Early Sunday morning. If this pattern holds true then the Time of the rapture would be the same, Late Saturday night to early Sunday morning Aug 3, 2008. Just a thought, but I was wondering what you thought of it.

Also, as far as signs go, when Jesus was born there were 3 Kings that came to him. I think the AntiChrist will also have 3 Kings. My guess would be the Royal family. When the Queen dies, Charles would be King, I think he'd turn it down, then William, I think He'd turn it down (He has had a head would by the way) then the final King would be Harry. Perhaps Harry will become the head of the European Union, I'm pretty sure he's already working on a deal in the middle east. Who better to broker a deal on the temple then the EU with their heavy Muslim support. I think after the Rapture, the New Pope will be left behind. He will claim that since the Jews are still here and that he is still here that he heads the true religion. He will become the head of the False "One World" church and become the pawn of Harry and the EU. I think he will change his name to Peter II, taking the least used name and making the names and the number of times used equal to 666.

As I said, I'm not a bible scholar, but I do believe that there are signs everywhere if people just had the faith to look for them. The next Harry Potter book is the Half-Blood Prince, Tom Hanks will star in the Davinci Code. These types of stories prepare people for what they think will be the coming of a new King Arthur, or a New Messiah. They will watch for one to be born from a "secret" bloodline rather then watching for the true Messiah to return for the Church, then again at Armegeddon. Coincedently, Harry (could be the name of the Anti-Christ) and Potter (the money gained from betraying Christ was used to buy Potter's field), seems almost too perfect. And since I'm not really a believer in coincedence, but rather in a divine plan that is intended to point to Christ's return, I just wondered if other people see these things.

I've recently started a website where I answer questions regarding the bible, www.Thomasdoubtknowmore.org. I haven't put any of this type of stuff on it yet, because I don't want to mislead people, or set a date and disappoint people, but It is always on my mind.

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

My reply

> > there are 5 basic time periods that apply to people, Moses and the Law, The Church, The Tribulation, The 1000 years and Hell

I'll share my beliefs with you. I think there are seven 1000-year great days in The Great Week of Time. Within this framework, I think there are three 2000-year ages, the Age of the Gentiles, the Age of the Jews and the Age of the Church. 1Cor 10:32 names all three. It says, "Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God."

After the normal end of the Age of the Church, there is a waiting period (we are living in it now), then after the Pre-Trib Rapture, there will be the Tribulation, which is THE ENDS OF THE AGES. The 2000-year ages are extended by the waiting period plus 7 years. The Millennium will begin on the day the Great Tribulation is shortened.

I Cor. 10:11 (LITV) says, "all these things happened to those as examples, and it was written for our warning, on whom THE ENDS OF THE AGES have come." Dan. 9:27 speaks of what will take place in the 7-year End of the Age of the Jews. I think the ends of the other two ages will run concurrent with the End of the Age of the Jews. Rev 3:10 (KJV) calls this period of time "the hour of temptation." This scripture says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, patient continuence, waiting), I also will keep thee from THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION (peirasmos, trial, putting to proof), WHICH SHALL COME UPON ALL THE WORLD, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The Millennium will start on the day the Tribulation is shortened and will last 1000 years. After the Millennium, the Great White Throne Judgment will take place.

> > he will come at armegeddon ending the tribulation

I think the destruction that will come at the end of the shortened Tribulation will precede the Second Advent of Christ by 7 months (Eze. 38:18-20; 39:12,13). I believe that Armageddon will start as soon as Christ takes dominion away from Satan at the Judgment of the Nations.

> > during the crucifixion the sun darkened. I attribute this to a total eclipse, symbolically the time the moon (symbol of Satan and the night) blocks the Sun (Son) from view.

I think the darkness was supernatural. There wasn't an eclipse at the time of the Crucifixion. Passover is at the time of the Full Moon. A solar eclipse can only happen at the dark of the Moon, i.e., the first of the Jewish month. I think the Crucifixion was on Thursday, April 6, 30 AD (Julian).
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NASA Eclipse Home Page
Moon Phases from -1999 to +3000 (2000 BCE to 4000 CE)
By Fred Espenak
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/phase/phasecat.html

Each one hundred-year phase table also indicates when an eclipse of the Sun or Moon takes place. An eclipse of the Sun can occur only at New Moon, while an eclipse of the Moon can occur only at Full Moon.

Year 30

New Moon
Jan 22 11:39
Feb 21 02:20
Mar 22 17:46
Apr 21 09:36
May 21 01:12 A
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The A is for an annular eclipse. No eclipse is listed even on April 21.

> > Since the tomb was found empty on Sunday morning, He arose sometime Saturday night/Early Sunday morning. If this pattern holds true then the Time of the rapture would be the same, Late Saturday night to early Sunday morning Aug 3, 2008. Just a thought, but I was wondering what you thought of it.

I think the Resurrection was Sunday night. Remember that the night comes before the day for the Jews. Their days start at 6 PM on our previous day. The Jews count part of a day as a whole day, even saying that a newborn is 1 year old. He is called 1 year old throughout his first year. Jesus was in the heart of the Earth three days and three nights. They were Thursday (day), Friday (night then day), Saturday (night then day), and Sunday (night).

I sure hope the Rapture is closer than Aug 3, 2008. I'm hoping for Hanukkah this year. See the top article on my Home Page.

> > as far as signs go, when Jesus was born there were 3 Kings that came to him. I think the AntiChrist will also have 3 Kings. My guess would be the Royal family.

The Bible doesn't say how many kings came to see Jesus. It looks like the Pope that doesn't go to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture will be the Beast of Rev. 13:3-10.

Rev 13:8,9 says, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP HIM, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear."

Isa 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable (fits the Pope), he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail" (the 7th head, the False Prophet that the tail, Satan, also called the 8th in Rev. 17, enters into).

> > I think after the Rapture, the New Pope will be left behind. He will claim that since the Jews are still here and that he is still here that he heads the true religion. He will become the head of the False "One World" church

I agree. Agape

Two Pillars, Two Raptures

By Marilyn Agee
In front of the Temple were two pillars, Boaz (meaning strength, i.e., the Pre-Trib-Rapture saints) and Jachin (meaning he that strengthens and makes steadfast, i.e., the Pre-Wrath-Rapture saints). On top of the pillars were oil lamps, reminding us of the 10 virgins, five wise with extra oil in their vessels and five foolish without enough oil of the Holy Spirit in their vessels (bodies).

Rev 3:8, says, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture), and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little STRENGTH, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name."

II Chron 3:17 says, "he reared up the pillars before the temple, one on the right hand, and the other on the left; and called the name of that on the right hand Jachin (representing the foolish virgins, the Tribulation saints), and the name of that on the left Boaz" (representing the wise virgins, the Pre-Trib saints). In the book of Ruth, Boaz was the kinsman redeemer (representing Jesus) that married Ruth (meaning friendship and representing the Bride of Christ).

In Rev 3:10-13, Jesus said to the church of Philadelphia (meaning brotherly love, i.e., friendship, like Ruth), for whom he had no words of condemnation, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, patient endurance, waiting), I also will keep thee from (ek, out of) the hour of temptation (lit., trial, i.e., the Tribulation), which shall come (in the future, i.e., after the Pre-Trib Rapture) upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly (at the Rapture, 2:5; 22:20): hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. HIM THAT OVERCOMETH WILL I MAKE A PILLAR IN THE TEMPLE OF MY GOD, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

The way I see it, the church has been tested for seven years, from 1998 to 2005 to see if she will let go of her strong faith. It seems to be time for the Rapture of the wise-Philadelphian-virgin saints. The Tribulation approaches. I hope the Rapture will be on the Feast of Lights, Hanukkah.

Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24. Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and upward, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation (Jesus, I Cor. 3:11) of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. Is the seed (Jesus, the seed of the woman, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn? yea (YES, i.e., Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24), as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate, and the olive tree (Israel, but the Gentiles can be grafted in), hath not brought forth: from this day (i.e., from Kislev 24) will I bless you."

Kislev 24 this year is Dec. 25, Christmas. At 6 PM, Hanukkah will begin. For 6 hours, until midnight, Christmas and Hanukkah, the Feast of the Dedication of the Temple, the Feast of Lights, will coincide. That may be the night of the Rapture. We must keep our lights shining brightly. To have enough oil of the Holy Spirit in our vessels (bodies), we need to confess our sins committed after we accepted Christ, to bring all our sins under the blood of Christ. Then the Holy Spirit will well up inside us as a fountain of living water.

John 10:22,23 says, "it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple". Rev 11:1 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE (egeiro, take up, i.e., at the Rapture), and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein." Only the Bride saints can be numbered. All the Pre-Trib-Rapture saints plus the 144,000 Israelites caught up at the Pre-Wrath Rapture make up the Bride of Christ.

THE JUBILEE CALENDAR

By Mikhael Bauer

...The Shechinah, the Glory of HaShem, never returned to Israel. It was one of the 10 things in the First Holy Mikdash that was absent in the Second Mikdash. According to the "records" mentioned in II Maccabees 2:1-8, the Glory of HaShem will return after the Mishkan (Tabernacle) is recovered and raised-up.

"It is also found in the records that the prophet Jeremiah ordered those who were carried away to take some of the fire, as has been described, and that after giving them the Law, the prophet charged those who were carried away not to forget the L-rd's commands, and not to be led astray in their minds when they saw gold and silver idols and their ornamentation. And with other similar exhortations, he told them that the Law should not pass from their hearts. It was also in the writing that the prophet, in obedience to a revelation, gave orders that the tent and the ark should accompany him, and that he went away to the mountain where Moses went up and beheld Hashem's inheritance. And Jeremiah came and found a cave-dwelling, and he took the tent and the ark and the incense altar into it, and he blocked up the door. And some of those who followed him came up to mark the road, and they could not find it. But when Jeremiah found it out, he blamed them and said, "The place shall be unknown until Hashem gathers the congregation of his people together and shows his mercy. Then the L-rd will show where they are, and the glory of the Lord will appear, as they were shown in the days of Moses, and when Solomon asked that the place might be made very sacred." (II Maccabees 2:1-8)

These Prophets who hid the first Mishkan (Tabernacle) followed the Torah Jubilee Calendar. Half a millennium later, the people who lived at Qumran, also used the Jubilee Calendar. In fact, there were 18 copies of the Book of Jubilees found at Qumran. Until the Qumran discovery of these scrolls of the Book of Jubilees in Hebrew, we only had them written in the Coptic Ethiopian language. The MMS document found at Qumran deals explicitly with the issue of the Jubilee Calendar and the Lunar Calendar....

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