Pro and Con 1257

Posted 11-19-05

Giant Lightning From Earth To Space

By Mel Acheson, Thunderbolts.info, 11-11-5
http://www.rense.com/general68/gint.htm

Giant Lightning to Space, Nov 10, 2005
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/051110sprite.htm

What are we to think about giant lightning bolts to space?...

The pilots who saw it wouldn’t talk about it for fear of ridicule or worse. The pilots whose airplanes were hit by it wouldn’t talk about it because they were dead. Then in the early 1990s investigators began to take the rumors seriously and to look for evidence of lightning above the clouds.

Right away they found images on archived satellite pictures, and they recorded hundreds of flashes above distant storms. Giant neon-light-like haloes would appear 85 kilometers above storms. The glows would propagate downward to form red balloons of interlaced filaments. The currents would squeeze into 30-meter-wide channels scattered over areas of a hundred square kilometers and disappear into the clouds. The glows were so diffuse that they seemed hardly a danger to airplanes. The investigators named them “sprites”....

Investigators finally were able to correlate their observations. They realized that every time there was a sprite above the clouds there was a bolt of positive lightning below the clouds. The sprite and the positive bolt were parts of a single discharge that stretched from space to the Earth’s surface.

Sprites and jets and positive bolts are common. Now that scientists have stopped believing that such phenomena are impossible, they find them in old photographs. Pilots are talking about seeing sprites since they began to fly....

Encouraging news

"The Calendar Lady" - Jim Bramlett, Nov 17, 2005"
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2005/jim1118-1.htm

"The Calendar Lady", Jim Bramlett, 11-17-05 ...I spoke with Rev. Ron Patterson of Kentucky...He said he ran into the lady whom last year I had dubbed "the Calendar Lady,"...she reports a vision the other day. She was lying in bed and heard the Lord say to her, "Look up." She didn't know whether to look up in bed or go to the window. She decided to get up and go to the window. When she looked out the window at the dark, night sky, she suddenly had a vision of a very bright sky, and then she suddenly heard many trumpets blowing. The sound was heavenly, unlike anything one would ever hear on earth. She immediately sensed that this was a sign of the near rapture.

Ron says that based on her experiences, this lady is totally convinced that the rapture is extremely soon and is going around warning everyone she sees....

Incoming e-mail, Re: The book of Jasher

From: Jim Bramlett

A friend told me today that someone told him that the non-canonical book of Jasher says that Satan entered the earth on the same calendar day that Noah entered the ark.

If true, this would be significant, and might mean that on the day the saints are raptured -- maybe the day Noah entered the ark -- Satan will be loosed in the earth and the tribulation will begin. This year that would be November 19.

Can anyone confirm that info in Jasher? Thanks, Jim

My reply, Re: the reliability of the Book of Jasher

Re: The Book Of Jasher, 1840 edition reprint
http://www.artisanpublishers.com/cgi-bin/ARTstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=ALB00504

"From this book we learn that Noah and Abraham were contemporaries. How beautiul the contemplation of the meeting between these two Patriarchs, the one being a monument of God's mercy, the other having the promise of the favor and grace of God, not only to himself, but to his seed after him."
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I don't trust the Book of Jasher. Were Noah and Abraham really contemporaries?

Let's see. Yesterday, I guessed that Abraham was born two years before Noah died, but that was not quite right. Today, I took the time to look it up. Noah was 600 in 1656 AH, when the Flood started. The Flood lasted one year, and Noah lived 350 years after the Flood.

1656 AH + 351 = 2007 AH.

Abraham was born in 2008 AH. They were not contemporaries at all. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: A STAR

I usually assume that you routinely search out news like this and see it before I do but sometimes I feel compelled to make sure you see it!
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20051109-031053-8230r

Star is observed moving at 1.5M mph
GARCHING, Germany, Nov. 9 (UPI) -- Astronomers using the European Southern Observatory's Very Large Telescope have recorded a massive star moving at more than 1.5 million mph.

Since stars are not born with such large velocities, its position suggests it was ejected from the Large Magellanic Cloud, perhaps by a massive black hole in the Milky Way's closest neighbor.

"At such a speed, the star would go around the Earth in less than a minute," said Uli Heber, one of the scientists at the University of Erlangen-Nürnberg, Germany, and Britain's Center for Astrophysics Research at the University of Hertfordshire, who conducted the study....

The hot massive star, named HE 0437-5439, was discovered far out in the halo of the Milky Way, towards the Doradus constellation....

My reply

Thanks. That is interesting. It could be a sign that we will soon be traveling fast.

The Doradus/Dorado constellation is a large fish. It is facing the Large Magellanic Cloud, and is below the sailing ship Argo, which means a company of travelers. The ship Argo stands for the Bride saints sailing for Heaven. The face of Jesus is just above the water-line on the prow. On Sivan 7, 5759 (Pentecost, May 22, 1999), a new star, Nova Velorum, was seen in Vela, the sails of Argo. Near Dorado, in the Large Magellanic Cloud, the Super Nova 1987-A was seen on 2-20-1987.



Stars usually seem stationary during one man's lifetime. To find one moving at this surprising rate of speed is very unusual. It could be a sign.

Luke 21:25-36 says, "there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., CONSTELLATIONS); and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring (i.e., in tsunamis and hurricanes); Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE COMING on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And WHEN THESE THINGS BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, THEN LOOK UP, AND LIFT UP YOUR HEADS; FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, KNOW YE THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NIGH AT HAND. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch ye therefore, and PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS THAT SHALL COME TO PASS, and to stand before the Son of man." This escape is the Pre-Trib Rapture.

This escape is the Pre-Trib Rapture. Rev 3:10 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, patient endurance), I also will keep thee from (ek, out of) the hour of temptation (the Tribulation), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

Incoming email, Re: ASCENSION DAY

One verse that has always troubled me is Re 2:10

Do not fear any of those things which you are about to suffer. Indeed, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and you will have tribulation ten days. Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

It might be possible that the ten days start at the rapture. If Asension Day is the day of our departure, the Holy Spirit will depart with us allowing the evil one to rise to power. If the Holy Spirit returned ten days later on Pentecost we would have a nice parallel with the birth of the church. Tribulation would certainly be in abundance with out the Holy Spirit to guide those left behind during that ten day stretch of time. Has this possibility occurred to you? In Christ

My reply

Sorry to be so long in getting back to you. This was in a file I was able to download from my server after I had to get a new computer.

I think you're right, the days between Ascension Day and Pentecost could fulfill Rev. 2:10 very well. It sounds like the most likely fit too, but I just hope we don't have to wait until next Pentecost.

According to Haggai 2:18,19, Kislev 24 seems to be the date of Jesus' conception. He is the foundation of the spiritual temple of the Holy Spirit. 1Co 3:11 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." Kislev 24 doesn't apply to when the first and second temples were started. Solomon started to build on Iyar 2 (I Kings 6:1; II Chron 3:2). The second temple foundation was laid in Iyar also (Ezra 3:8,11).

Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider (lit., take it to heart) now from this day and UPWARD, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. Is the seed (Jesus, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn (a feminine word)? yea, as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate, and the olive tree (Israel, but Gentiles can be grafted in), hath not brought forth: from this day will I bless you." The next day is Hanukkah, the Festival of Lights when the oil for one day lasted eight days. That reminds me of the 5 wise virgins. It was important for them to have extra oil in their vessels (bodies) when the Bridegroom came. Did he arrive on Earth as the Seed on the Festival of Lights? I think so. That fits a Tishri 1 birth as the former rain just right. Agape

Incoming email, Re: Rapture

I was just scanning the internet, looking for information on the Rapture. I was thinking the date may be Aug 3, 2008, so I searched on the date and your site came up. I started to read through your stuff, but It was pretty involved. I was interested in the Days of Daniel, I think that they may point to the rapture. I think you are right, if you watch, you will be able to recognize the date and the season. I came upon the date above by a different means. I'm not a great bible scholar, but I've noticed that the bible repeats itself. My thinking is that there are 5 basic time periods that apply to people, Moses and the Law, The Church, The Tribulation, The 1000 years and Hell. I take the bible to apply to everyone, so I think that the prophecies end up the same in each period. I think they tell you the period they apply literally to, but also apply figuratively to the others. For instance, the literal antichrist will appear in the tribulation, but there are antichrists today in a more figurative sense. People have been adding up names to total 666 for a long time, I think they were right, they had found an antichrist, just not "the" antichrist. Anyway, with my line of thinking, all of these time periods end with the return of Christ. He was born/Crucified ending the time of the Law, he will rapture the church ending this time period, he will come at armegeddon ending the tribulation and will come for the final judgement. The sign that caught my attention was during the crucifixion the sun darkened. I attribute this to a total eclipse, symbolically the time the moon (symbol of Satan and the night) blocks the Sun (Son) from view. The next total eclipse happens on Aug 1, 2008. Coincedently, this is on a Friday. Since the tomb was found empty on Sunday morning, He arose sometime Saturday night/Early Sunday morning. If this pattern holds true then the Time of the rapture would be the same, Late Saturday night to early Sunday morning Aug 3, 2008. Just a thought, but I was wondering what you thought of it.

Also, as far as signs go, when Jesus was born there were 3 Kings that came to him. I think the AntiChrist will also have 3 Kings. My guess would be the Royal family. When the Queen dies, Charles would be King, I think he'd turn it down, then William, I think He'd turn it down (He has had a head would by the way) then the final King would be Harry. Perhaps Harry will become the head of the European Union, I'm pretty sure he's already working on a deal in the middle east. Who better to broker a deal on the temple then the EU with their heavy Muslim support. I think after the Rapture, the New Pope will be left behind. He will claim that since the Jews are still here and that he is still here that he heads the true religion. He will become the head of the False "One World" church and become the pawn of Harry and the EU. I think he will change his name to Peter II, taking the least used name and making the names and the number of times used equal to 666.

As I said, I'm not a bible scholar, but I do believe that there are signs everywhere if people just had the faith to look for them. The next Harry Potter book is the Half-Blood Prince, Tom Hanks will star in the Davinci Code. These types of stories prepare people for what they think will be the coming of a new King Arthur, or a New Messiah. They will watch for one to be born from a "secret" bloodline rather then watching for the true Messiah to return for the Church, then again at Armegeddon. Coincedently, Harry (could be the name of the Anti-Christ) and Potter (the money gained from betraying Christ was used to buy Potter's field), seems almost too perfect. And since I'm not really a believer in coincedence, but rather in a divine plan that is intended to point to Christ's return, I just wondered if other people see these things....

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

My reply

> > there are 5 basic time periods that apply to people, Moses and the Law, The Church, The Tribulation, The 1000 years and Hell

I'll share my beliefs with you. I think there are seven 1000-year great days in The Great Week of Time. Within this framework, I think there are three 2000-year ages, the Age of the Gentiles, the Age of the Jews and the Age of the Church. 1Cor 10:32 names all three. It says, "Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God."

After the normal end of the Age of the Church, there is a waiting period (we are living in it now), then after the Pre-Trib Rapture, there will be the Tribulation, which is THE ENDS OF THE AGES. The 2000-year ages are extended by the waiting period plus 7 years. The Millennium will begin on the day the Great Tribulation is shortened.

I Cor. 10:11 (LITV) says, "all these things happened to those as examples, and it was written for our warning, on whom THE ENDS OF THE AGES have come." Dan. 9:27 speaks of what will take place in the 7-year End of the Age of the Jews. I think the ends of the other two ages will run concurrent with the End of the Age of the Jews. Rev 3:10 (KJV) calls this period of time "the hour of temptation." This scripture says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (hupomone, patient continuence, waiting), I also will keep thee from THE HOUR OF TEMPTATION (peirasmos, trial, putting to proof), WHICH SHALL COME UPON ALL THE WORLD, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

The Millennium will start on the day the Tribulation is shortened and will last 1000 years. After the Millennium, the Great White Throne Judgment will take place.

> > he will come at armegeddon ending the tribulation

I think the destruction that will come at the end of the shortened Tribulation will precede the Second Advent of Christ by 7 months (Eze. 38:18-20; 39:12,13). I believe that Armageddon will start as soon as Christ takes dominion away from Satan at the Judgment of the Nations.

> > during the crucifixion the sun darkened. I attribute this to a total eclipse, symbolically the time the moon (symbol of Satan and the night) blocks the Sun (Son) from view.

I think the darkness was supernatural. There wasn't an eclipse at the time of the Crucifixion. Passover is at the time of the Full Moon. A solar eclipse can only happen at the dark of the Moon, i.e., the first of the Jewish month. I think the Crucifixion was on Thursday, April 6, 30 AD (Julian).
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NASA Eclipse Home Page
Moon Phases from -1999 to +3000 (2000 BCE to 4000 CE)
By Fred Espenak
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/phase/phasecat.html

Each one hundred-year phase table also indicates when an eclipse of the Sun or Moon takes place. An eclipse of the Sun can occur only at New Moon, while an eclipse of the Moon can occur only at Full Moon.

Year 30

New Moon
Jan 22 11:39
Feb 21 02:20
Mar 22 17:46
Apr 21 09:36
May 21 01:12 A
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The A is for an annular eclipse. No eclipse is listed even on April 21.

> > Since the tomb was found empty on Sunday morning, He arose sometime Saturday night/Early Sunday morning. If this pattern holds true then the Time of the rapture would be the same, Late Saturday night to early Sunday morning Aug 3, 2008. Just a thought, but I was wondering what you thought of it.

I think the Resurrection was Sunday night. Remember that the night comes before the day for the Jews. Their days start at 6 PM on our previous day. The Jews count part of a day as a whole day, even saying that a newborn is 1 year old. He is called 1 year old throughout his first year. Jesus was in the heart of the Earth three days and three nights. They were Thursday (day), Friday (night then day), Saturday (night then day), and Sunday (night).

I sure hope the Rapture is closer than Aug 3, 2008. I'm hoping for Hanukkah this year. See the top article on my Home Page.

> > as far as signs go, when Jesus was born there were 3 Kings that came to him. I think the AntiChrist will also have 3 Kings. My guess would be the Royal family.

The Bible doesn't say how many kings came to see Jesus. It looks like the Pope that doesn't go to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture will be the Beast of Rev. 13:3-10.

Rev 13:8,9 says, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP HIM, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear."

Isa 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable (fits the Pope), he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail" (the 7th head, the False Prophet that the tail, Satan, also called the 8th in Rev. 17, enters into).

> > I think after the Rapture, the New Pope will be left behind. He will claim that since the Jews are still here and that he is still here that he heads the true religion. He will become the head of the False "One World" church

I agree. Agape

Incoming e-mail, RE: other books that may give a time table?

I think you are over reading what i was saying. I recall about 4 or so years ago there was a very rare book collection of old book sold. From that i and everyone found out that in it was some of these old books with some of them Witch books 1st copys. also from that sell fouund that there was only 12 or so collectors in the world that had the money to by these books.

Now if i want to know something about a football team i would talk with the team and then talk with the team playing them. you get both sides of what is happening. just as we have Gods side of what will happen and when what if we had the words of the other side of the what and when? And that would be in a witch book would it not? noone said you had to read them but someone that has these books must have read them or why collect them? So somewere there must be what is in these books.

I was also thinking of storys from Japan, China, India, North and South America there are many old writings that talk about end times or the coming of a Go of some kind. I would think if all of man kind is going to take part in this tha God would have told them all not just Jews!

If you go to court to say something you get facts from many places so why not the end times from many places also? And if there realy is not other places of end times then i would have to ask why not?

Do not take this as me not beliving for i do and maybe more than you or of most people. With all the books the church had burned, i would have to ask them the why of that. With all the books in Rome church I would think there may be a book there from out side the good book that would talk about end times, and by the way they have these old whitch books there! If only i known the names of these books i would tell you them but i do not know. So if Rome can read these book why not you? There is a differents for reading these books and taking part in what they talk about. Knowing both sides helps anyone understand better of what is going on and the when. Without out knowing you only have 1/2 the story. Knowing is all power in life, like never bet on a mudder horse when its dry out! Only way of know is to get all facts from anywere you can get them!

I do like reading your words even when sometimes you over do the talking of something. Love

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

> > I would think if all of man kind is going to take part in this that God would have told them all not just Jews!...
> > And if there realy is not other places of end times then i would have to ask why not?

Because God chose to do it his way. Romans 3:1,2 says, "What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God."

It is true that Satan may betray his knowledge in some books. However, he is the master of deception, so one has to be on his toes not to take him seriously. He is a liar from the beginning. I read what I could find at one time, and found out that in the end, it wasn't worth my time. So I quit spinning my wheels. Since Satan is a liar, you can't trust anything you find. God controlled what went into the Bible, for it is His Word. He also controlled what didn't go into the Bible.

The worst I have ever tried to read is the Book of Mormon. It sounds like Scripture's style, but it goes on and on without really saying anything. I gave up on that pretty quick. Real scripture is jam packed with information. Agape

"Catholic Church May Adopt Hindu Ritual During Mass"

Donna Danna (4 Nov 2005)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/nov2005/donnad114-6.htm

"The Catholic church will take up the study of Sanskrit, adapt to monastic life in an ashram and adopt the Hindu ritual of aarti during mass if the movement towards 'Indianisation of the church' gets the nod from 400 priests and five bishops congregating in Pune."...

"Aarti, ărti, arathi, or ărati is a Hindu ritual in which light from wicks soaked in ghee (purified butter) or camphor is offered to one or more deities....

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