Pro and Con 1263

Posted 7-10-05

New Hope for a Fall Rapture!!!

http://www.his-forever.com/new_hope_for_a_fall_rapture.htm

Yom Kippur and Sukkot can only be known once the New Moon of Tishri (the 7th Month) is seen. The New Moon was seen in Jerusalem, Israel on the evening of Wednesday October 05, 2005. This should be the first, 01 of Tishri, according to YHWH, the beginning of the month is when the New Moon is spotted. I repeat, Tishri 01 was the evening of Wednesday October 05, 2005.

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Hi brother Titu:

Finding your web site is refreshing. Thank you. I agree with you 100 % that YHWH King of Israel is also YHWH of hosts the Redeemer, Yeshua haMashiach (Isa. 44:6). II Cor. 5:19 says that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself.

> > (Psalm 118:22) The Stone which the builders rejected has become the Head of the Corner.

I'll share something about what I think this "Corner" represents--the Earth.

The ten curtains covering the Tabernacle were 5 widths coupled to another 5 widths. They had cherubim embroidered on them to show that they represent the planets of our Solar System.

Ezekiel saw a vision of four of these cherubim, (1) Mercury, (2) Venus, (3) Earth, and (4) Mars. They are lively things flying around the central Sun, the fire enfolding itself, having brightness (sunlight) round about it. Their concentric orbits are like wheels within wheels.

The original ten planets were (1) Mercury, (2) Venus, (3) Earth, (4) Mars, (5) Satan's planet Rahab that was split apart forming our Asteroid Belt, (6) Jupiter, (7) Saturn, (8) Uranus, (9) Neptune, and (10) Pluto. The width of curtain that was bent over the back of the Tabernacle represented Earth, and so Yeshua will become the "Head of the Corner", the King of kings and Lord of lords that will rule over Earth during the great 1000-year Day. Actually, his kingdom will have no end.

It took me over seven years to figure all this out. I read many of man's books about the Bible from BIOLA's Seminary Collection during those seven years without finding the answer to what the cherubim were. I opened my Bible, put my hands on it and said that the Lord would have to show me, that I wanted to know everything about the Bible that he wanted man to know. I just studied from the Bible with the help of Strong's Concordance after that. Finally, the light dawned.

Recognizing that the brightness was sunlight was the first clue. This led to my recognizing that the fire enfolding itself was the Sun. Next, I found out that the Earth was one of the cherubim.

Eze. 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold ONE WHEEL(orbit) UPON THE EARTH by the living creatures (lively things), with his four faces." The four faces were on the banners placed at the cardinal directions when Israel camped around the Tabernacle. This means that these four terrestrial planets orbit in all four directions, north, south, east and west. They turn not aside as they go. They fly in a smooth orderly way.

Above the heads of the cherubim, i.e., farther out in space, was the throne of the Lord. Eze. 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of A THRONE, AS THE APPEARANCE OF A SAPPHIRE STONE (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Yeshua) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn has amber on it), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (Saturn's ring system) round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD." Shalom and agape

MJA: Man to watch. Remember the handwriting on the wall. "PERES; Thy kingdom is divided", Dan 5:28

Shimon Peres decides to cross the floor from Labor to Sharon’s Kadima, 11-27-05
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=1332

...A senior cabinet appointment. If the prime minister wins the March 28 election and forms the next government, he will name Peres as a kind of peace envoy to lead future negotiations with the Palestinians on the future of the West Bank....

Twenty-eight years ago, the late Menahem Begin pulled Moshe Dayan over from the Labor party as his foreign minister for peace negotiations with Egypt. Sharon and Peres are duplicating that exercise. Sharon is signaling his intention of signing peace and drawing Israel’s final borders. Peres is offering himself up as the only pragmatic statesman capable of bringing this goal to fruition. He lacks electoral support but seeks this missing element from the founder of Kadima.
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Avnery - Two Earthquakes
By Uri Avnery, 11-27-05
http://www.rense.com/general68/two.htm

The Sharon-party, which has split from the Likud, has given up its main article of faith: the Whole of Eretz Yisrael. It advocates the partition of the country.
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Peres's brother says 'Peretz took over Labor like Franco took over Spain' http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1132475636527&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer

...According to Israel Radio, if indeed Peres proceeds as expected, he would not formally join Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's new party, but he would support Kadima from outside, and would be appointed Sharon's special representative for peace negotiations....

MARY-IS-GOD CATHOLIC MOVEMENT, a Marian Movement within the Catholic Church

http://i-newswire.com/pr50680.html

Incoming email, Re: Where Did The Universe Come From?

Subject: url for new science
...I dont know if I sent it to you or not. It is fantastic!!!!!!!!
http://www.CosmicFingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm

Where Did The Universe Come From?
New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God

A Seminal Presentation by Astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross, given in South Barrington, Illinois, April 16, 1994

...New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God

"The Discovery of the Century" -Stephen Hawking

I want to take you back to almost two years ago, April 23, 1992. On that day, a discovery was announced that, in the words of the British physicist Steven Hawking, “…is the discovery of the century, if not of all time.” This is remarkable because Steven Hawking has a reputation for understatement.

Michael Turner, from the University of Chicago, says the significance of this discovery cannot be overstated. They have found the Holy Grail of cosmology. As to how holy of a grail we're talking about, George Smoot, who led the team of 30 American astrophysicists who made the discovery said, “What we have found is evidence of the birth of the Universe. It's like looking at God.”...

The Day They Found 90% of the Universa...

In this back issue, we describe the set of discoveries that established the existence of exotic matter which led to the conclusions from the scientific community that we now have conclusive proof that the universe was indeed created, and that's why we say that we're looking at the face of God....

Physicists Join "The First Church of Christ of the Big Bang"

I was wondering how Geoffery was going to respond to the news of this discovery. The first words out of his mouth were a complaint, and they were that as a result of this discovery, his peers in physics and astronomy were rushing off to join the First Church of Christ of the Big Bang.

What encouraged me about Jeffrey's statement was that even Jeffrey, as an atheist, recognized the equation, Big Bang = Jesus Christ. If you prove the Big Bang, you prove Jesus Christ. I want to briefly explain to you how that follows and I want to reveal something to you that leads to that.

Why Big Bang = Jesus Christ...

the entire universe experiences negative acceleration. The universe is decelerating....

As Einstein pointed out, the significance is that the universe has this moment of pin pulling. It has a beginning. Through the principle of positive fact, if the universe has a beginning, it must have a beginner, hence the existence of God....

if you prove that time has a beginning, that it was created, it eliminates all theological possibilities but Jesus Christ.

Of all world religions, only Judeo-Christian theology says Time has a beginning

Why? Because if you were to open up the Holy books of the religions of the world, only one of them would describe God as a being that creates the universe independent of time, space, matter and energy.

The other Holy books describe God as creating within time. The Bible states that God creates independent of time. That's the difference....

PREDES'TINATE, a. Predestinated; foreordained

I want to get your view on Rm. 8:28-29. I know this a controversial subject that has been debated for many centuries. I'm in a debate with one of my fellow church members as to how to interpret these verses. I value your insight on all subjects in scripture and I know you will give your answer with solid evidence no matter which side of the debate you take. Hope to hear from you soon.

My reply

"SCRIPTURE HATH CONCLUDED ALL UNDER SIN, THAT THE PROMISE BY FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST MIGHT BE GIVEN TO THEM THAT BELIEVE" (Gal 3:22).

God knows the end from the beginning. He is all-knowing, omniscient. Since we are not omniscient, it is hard for us to understand this attribute of God. Another of his attributes is perfect love. That too is hard for us to understand, because "we know in part" (I Cor. 13:9).

In the beginning, he didn't create a robot that had to obey him. A robot couldn't love him. Instead, he created man and gave him the power to obey or disobey, to love or hate. He gave him the power of choice, and the path each life takes is largely determined by his choices. It is as if there are several doors in his path, and he is free to choose which one he will go through, but once his choice is made, he can look back at that door and see written above it that God knew that he would choose that door. God didn't make him choose that door, but he knew which one it would be.

What was God's purpose in creating man? I have an idea that the ones that love God and therefore obey him, could replace the one third of the angels in God's government that chose to align themselves with Satan. Those angels were given the power of choice too. They just failed to go through the right door. Putting them in prison will leave a gap we might fill.

Maybe Satan was judged and sentenced to prison. He might have appealed the sentence, saying something like "How can a good God condemn his creatures to prison?" God may have created man to prove a point to Satan. One third of the angels failed their test to obey God, and they could see God. If man, a smaller, weaker creature unable to see God could still obey him, God would be proved just in sending Satan and his fallen angels to prison. At the same time, God would have provided himself a replacement for the fallen angels. If this is true, I can sure see why Satan tries so hard to corrupt the human race. To confuse men, he counterfeits things that are true.

If we love God, how will we choose the right doors? Some lead up; others lead down. God has thought it all out and made provision for everything ahead of time. For the lost, he has provided a way to be saved. Since one of God's attributes is love, his saints that are filled with His Spirit also love. "We love him, because he first loved us" (1John 4:19).

Rom 8:27-30 (KJV) says, "he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of THE SPIRIT (THE HOLY SPIRIT), BECAUSE HE MAKETH INTERCESSION FOR THE SAINTS ACCORDING TO THE WILL OF GOD. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate (those 'that love God'), them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." This is how "all things work together for good to them that love God."

Since the Holy Spirit makes intercession, for those that love him, according to the will of God, all things will work together for the good of the saints.

The word translated "predestinate" is proorizol, From Strong's G4253 and G3724; to limit in advance, that is, (figuratively) predetermine: - determine before, ordain, predestinate.

Rom. 8:28,29 (WNT) says, "THOSE WHOM HE HAS KNOWN BEFOREHAND HE HAS ALSO PRE-DESTINED TO BEAR THE LIKENESS OF HIS SON, that He might be the Eldest in a vast family of brothers".

Since we love God, we will be conformed to the image of his Son. 1John 3:2 (KJV) says, "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

1Tim. 4:10 says, "For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in THE LIVING GOD, WHO IS THE SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, SPECIALLY (malista, to the greatest degree) OF THOSE THAT BELIEVE." I Tim. 2:3-6 says, "GOD OUR SAVIOUR; WHO WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. FOR THERE IS ONE GOD, AND ONE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS; WHO GAVE HIMSELF A RANSOM FOR ALL, to be testified (marturion, evidence to be given) in due time."

II Co 5:14-17 says, "the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: And that HE DIED FOR ALL, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again....Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

II Peter 3:9 says, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT THAT ALL SHOULD COME TO REPENTANCE."

In John 11:26, Jesus said, "WHOSOEVER liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?" None are excluded. This offer is available to anyone.

1John 4:15 says, "WHOSOEVER shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God."

In John 6:40, Jesus saId, "this is the WILL of him that sent me, that EVERY ONE WHICH SEETH THE SON, AND BELIEVETH ON HIM, MAY HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE."

I John 2:2 says that JESUS "IS THE PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS: AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY, BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD". Therefore, salvation is available for anyone, but not all will avail themselves of it. Each must make his own choice.

Some things have been predetermined to take place in the future. God's prophecies will come true. However, the Bible doesn't say that God has predetermined to send a certain person to Heaven or Hell. Whether that man goes to Heaven or Hell depends on that man's own choices.

Neither election, being chosen for a particular service, nor predestination, it being predetermined that believers would be conformed to the likeness of God's Son, pertains to salvation being forced on some and denied to others. That would take individual choice out of the picture, and the Bible plainly shows that we do have to choose.

Rom 11:18-20 warns us to "beware of glorying over the natural branches. Or if you are so glorying, do not forget that it is not you who uphold the root: the root upholds you. "Branches have been lopped off," you will say, "for the sake of my being grafted in." This is true; yet IT WAS THEIR UNBELIEF THAT CUT THEM OFF, AND YOU ONLY STAND THROUGH YOUR FAITH." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: as the stars of heaven

I was reading Pros and Cons 1256 in it you said:

I imagine that in the blackness of the night of the Rapture, the wise virgins will stand out as stars of light, because they have extra oil of the Holy Spirit in their vessels (bodies).

Dan. 12:3 says, "they that be WISE shall shine as the brightness of the firmament (expanse of space); and they that turn many to righteousness AS THE STARS for ever and ever."

Here are other references:
Isaiah 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

Matthiew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall SEE THE SON OF MAN coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

I had a thought and I'm passing it along to you. What if all these new stars came together after the PreWrath rapture to form a new zodiac sign at the center of the twelve original, as it says in Matt. 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven", wouldn't that be wonderful.... Agape

My reply

Thanks.

> > a new zodiac sign at the center of the twelve original, as it says in Matt. 24 :30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven", wouldn't that be wonderful

Well, let's see how it could fit in. Polaris (Alpha Ursa Minor) is at the center now. About 4,500 years ago, Thuban (the subtle, Alpha Draconis: trodden down) was the Pole Star. And what do we see above Polaris in the map of the Zodiac? The foot of the crowned King of kings, Cepheus (a rock). He and his queen Cassiopia (the woman enthroned) are seated there on their thrones. Both King Cepheus and Queen Cassiopia are holding up in their right hands a fistful of fabric, demonstrating that they are religious leaders. Cepheus is a man of the cloth. He is holding out his scepter of approval to Cassiopia. The great King is wearing a garment made of sheepskin, because he represents Christ, the Lamb of God, the ultimate King of kings.

Under Polaris is the Lesser Sheepfold, now called Ursa Minor). The sheep in it represent God's elect that are caught up to God at the Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 4:1). Under the Lesser Sheepfold is the Greater Sheepfold (now called Ursa Major). The sheep in it represent the Tribulation saints that are caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture (Rev. 7:14). Both sheepfolds are Decans of Cancer, the Crab whose shell represents the holding place, Heaven.

I think Saturn (Heaven) is in Cancer now, because the Pre-Trib Rapture is near. Cancer reminds us of the two sheepfolds.

To the right of The Lesser Sheepfold and King Cepheus is Draco the Dragon. He had dominion when Thuban was the Pole Star. Now dominion is passing to King Cepheus, i.e., Christ.

I hadn't thought about it before, but since you practically suggested it, what if the Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the constellation Cepheus? It would be fitting. It is near the center and the King is pictured sitting on his throne.

Rev 6:12-17 says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and HIDE US FROM THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, AND FROM THE WRATH OF THE LAMB: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Cassiopia is revealing too, The ancient name in Hebrew means the enthroned, the beautiful. The Chaldean and Arabic names mean set up (as Queen). That is very interesting, because the Marriage of the Lamb takes place the same day the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky.

Eze 38 tells us more about that day, the Day of the Lord. It is Coronation Day, the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Marriage of the Lamb and the Day of God's Wrath. Verses 18-23 say, "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE AT MY PRESENCE (paniym, FACE), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain (A TSUNAMI), and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone (when the first asteroid hits the Mediterranean Sea). Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the EYES of many nations (they will see the Sign of the Son of Man), and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Ezekiel saw the Lord Jesus Christ sitting on his throne too. Eze 1:26 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was THE LIKENESS OF A THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it." The man is Christ. His throne is literally on Saturn. Its symbol is sapphire, which means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. Exo 24:10 says, "And they SAW the God of Israel (YHWH of hosts, Christ, Isa. 44:6): and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone, and as it were (i.e., as if it were) the body of heaven (THE HEAVENLY BODY) in his clearness."

What better place for the Sign of the Son of Man to appear than in Cepheus in the middle of the Zodiac--in the middle of the sky? I think you had a good hunch. I wonder if a sapphire pavement will appear under his feet. It just might. Agape

After-thoughts: Cepheus means a stone. He is the Royal Branch, the King. To the Egyptians, he is Pe-ku-hor, the Ruler that Cometh. To some of the Arab world, Cepheus is a shepherd with dogs and sheep. The star Alrai means The shepherd. That fits. Jesus is the good shepherd, and we are the sheep of his pasture. Al Kalb al Rai is the sheep dog. Al Phirk means The Redeemer.

     

Cassiopeia is the Enthroned Woman that is seated with her Redeemer in Heaven. This Constellation looks like a big "W" high in the sky. That is a nice picture with northern lights too. Cepheus and Casseopia circle the pole star. Names of stars in Cassiopeia are, Shedar, the Freed; Ruchbah, the Enthroned; and Dat al Cursa, the Seated. At her right hand, the king is holding out his scepter to her. Cepheus and Cassiopeia are presented as husband and wife. She represents the Church, the Bride of Christ who is not appointed unto wrath.

The day of the Marriage of the Lamb is also the Day of God's Wrath and the Day of the Lord. The Bride is in Heaven receiving her rewards when God's Wrath hits unbelievers on Earth (Rev. 11:18) at noon (Zeph. 2:3-5).

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