Pro and Con 1267

Posted 12-19-05

What's in a Name?

Credit: ISUAL Project, NCKU/NSPO, Taiwan
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040902thunderbolt.htm

9-2-04 - When fleeting electrical phenomena above thunderstorms were first discovered in the late 1980's, they were called "upward lightning" because that's what they appeared to be. But the physicists who studied it were afraid that the name was too suggestive and could offer false leads. It may have sounded dangerously close to the "electric currents in space" that astronomers have tried to avoid for over a century. So they decided instead to give the phenomena new names, based on something that could never distract the research. They chose whimsical mythical names -- sprites, elves, gnomes, pixies and trolls....

Incoming e-mail, Re: Greetings from here

Thank You for ALL the wonderful information you provide, month after month!!
Best Wishes at Christmas

My reply

Thanks and Happy Holidays to you and to all. I hope we will all have a happy Feast of Dedication this year, and not just for the Jews, for all the wise virgins scattered across this planet. Agape

Ancient Gezer Calendar (starts in the fall)

http://www.bible.gen.nz/amos/archaeology/gezercal.htm

One of the earliest Hebrew epigraphs (from around the time of Solomon), written on limestone, the text seems to be a calendar of agricultural tasks and seasons:

Two months of harvest (olives?)
Two months of planting (cereals?)
Two months are late planting (vegetables?)
One month of hoeing
One month of barley-harvest
One month of harvest and festival (grain?)
Two months of grape harvesting
One month of summer fruit (or one last month?)
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Gezer - A Canaanite City and Royal Solomonic City
http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/History/Early%20History%20-%20Archaeology/Gezer%20-%20A%20Canaanite%20City%20and%20Royal%20Solomonic%20City

...The Gezer Calendar is regarded as one of the earliest paleo-Hebrew texts known, and testifies to the use of Hebrew writing as early as the 10th century BCE.,,,

Brandon Channell "Hanukkah and the Rapture?" (from Five Doves site)(16 Dec 2005)

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2005/brandonc1216.htm

I was wondering if you could all give me your thoughts on this coming Hanukkah and the rapture of the church. Do you feel that it's possible that the rapture would occur in the Jewish festival of lights? Or is there just another overly hyped theory about the day of the rapture? I think that we're always in the possibility that the rapture might happen at any day. Who knows (besides God) if there might be a link between this Jewish holiday and the hour of his visitation? Please, tell me your opinions on this
http://www.prophecytalk.com/index.php?topic=631.0

But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. Mathew 24:36 Brandon

My reply

The word "knoweth" is present tense. On that day, no man knew, but we are to watch. Rev. 3:3 says, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." At some point, watchers will know.

Hanukkah sounds like a good bet to me. The wise virgins are to keep their lamps lit, and Hannukkah is the Feast of Lights. The oil for one day lasted 8 days. It is when the temple was cleansed and rededicated. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit, so it can easily apply to us. We must have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to keep our lamps lit untiil the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place. Also, Jesus came to Jerusalem at the time of the Feast of Dedication (John 10:22,23 says, "it was at Jerusalem the feast of the DEDICATION, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch." Solomon built the first temple.

The Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37), and Noah entered the Ark on Cheshvan 17. Then it rained 40 days and 40 nights, floating the Ark.

Forty days after Cheshvan 17, 5766 (Nov. 19, 2005) is Kislev 27 (Dec. 28), by Jewish inclusive reckoning. That's the third day of Hanukkah, an 8-day feast starting on Kislev 25 (Dec. 26). Jesus was resurrected on the third day. Will the Bride group be resurrected on the third day of Hanukkah? I hope so.

Haggai told us to consider a certain date, which was Kislev 24 (Jesus' conception), AND UPWARD. That could refer to the Rapture during Hanukkah, which starts Kislev 25 and lasts 8 days, (Dec. 26, 2005, through Jan. 2, 2006).

Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider (lit., take it to heart) now from this day AND UPWARD, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (from Kislev 24, Dec. 25, 2005, Christmas), even from the day (Kislev 24, Conception Day) that the foundation (Jesus) of the LORD'S temple was laid (i.e., was conceived), CONSIDER IT. Is the seed (Jesus, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn (a female word, i.e., in the womb)? yea (YES), as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate (Bride of Christ, Song of Solomon), and the olive tree (Israel, but Gentiles can be grafted in), hath not brought forth (bringing in our sheaves): from this day (Kislev 24, Dec. 25, 2005, Christmas) will I bless you." That could be the Rapture we have been watching for.

If our vessels (bodies) are filled with oil (the Holy Spirit) on one day (Kislev 25), will it miraculously last 8 days (Kislev 25 through Teveth 2)? How many candles are there on the Mennorah? Eight, plus the central servant candle (representing Christ), from which all eight are kindled.

There are only seven candlesticks (churches, Rev. 1:20). Seven means completion and perfection, but the number eight is emphasized at Hanukkah. Why? Eight means new order, and we will enter a new order at the Rapture.

I Cor. 15:42-53 says, "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL (including Paul, and all saints of both Raptures) BE CHANGED IN A MOMENT, IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE, AT THE LAST TRUMP (i.e., at the Second Rapture): for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, AND WE SHALL BE CHANGED (actually be made immortal). For this corruptible must put on incorruption (at their resurrection), AND THIS MORTAL SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY" (at the time of the Second Rapture).

Heb 11:40 explains, "God having provided some better thing for us (New Testament saints), that they (the Old Testament saints) without us should not be made perfect."

On the Day of the Lord, there will be lots of things taking place in Heaven on the same day. All saints will be gathered to the General Assembly in Heaven (Heb. 12:23). The saints already in Heaven will be called to the General Assembly (Mt. 24:31). The Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place (Mark 13:27). Following that will be the Coronation of Christ, the Marriage of the Lamb, and the Judgment Seat of Christ.

Rev 11:15-18 says, "the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ (on Tishri 1); and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (7 months later, on Nisan 1, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry (Gog's army is attacking Israel), and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

Eze. 38:20 describes that day of the world-wide earthquake, when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 will impact Earth. On that day, the scene in the sky will resemble the one Eze. saw. Eze 1:26 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of A THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE STONE: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus) above upon it." This is the Sign of the Son of Man (Mt. 24:30).

Sapphire is a symbol of Saturn, Heaven. Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. Sapphire is the birthstone listed for September, usually the month of Tishri 1. The Day of Destruction on Earth will be Tishri 1. Ex. 24:10 says, "they saw the God of Israel (Jesus, YHWH king of Israel and YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, both the first and the last, Isa. 44:6) and there was UNDER HIS FEET as it were (symbolic language) a paved work of a SAPPHIRE STONE, and as it were the body of HEAVEN (i.e., the heavenly body, Saturn) in his clearness (tohar, brightness, glory)"

The entire Body of Christ will be with him in Heaven receiving their rewards on the Day of Destruction on Earth. That's the day of the Second Rapture. I hope the Bride of Christ will be caught up at the First Rapture, on Hanukkah, the Dedication of the Temple.

John 10:22-28 says, "And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch (Solomon built the first temple). Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I KNOW THEM, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

At the first Rapture, the foolish virgins will be left behind. Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the unwise) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him HIS PORTION WITH THE UNBELIEVERS.".

Mt. 25:11-13 says, "Afterward came also the other virgins (i.e., the foolish-virgin Tribulation saints), saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I KNOW YOU NOT. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh." We want to be the sheep that know the good shepherd's voice and follow him. Then, we will know him, and he will know us.

The Jews play a game at Hanukkah with a top called a dreidl. "A dreidl is a four-sided top with one of the Hebrew letters Nun, Gimel, Heh, and Shin on each side. The letters stand for the phrase Nes Gadol Hayah Sham-- "A great miracle happened there."" http://www.amfi.org/hanukkah.htm

The Conception took place on the Eve of Hanukkah. If the miracle of the oil and the Rapture both take place during Hanukkah, a very great miracle will have happened on Hanukkah. Agape

Incoming e-mail, RE: Sky Picture at Jesus Birth

My point is that on Sep. 4th it would be Tishri 2 not 1. Is that not the case?

My reply

According to YourSky, Sept. 3, 5 BC could not be Tishri 1. The Moon is dark and is not under Virgo's feet.



According to NASA's Fred Espenak, the New Moon was "Sep 1 18:09 P". The eclipse that night was "Partial (Umbral)". The phasis, from the Dark New Moon to the visually sighted New Crescent Moon was usually two days. That would take us to Sept. 3. For the sign of Rev. 12:1-6, we need to wait until the New Crescent Moon is under Virgo's feet. That happened Sept. 4, 5 BC....Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Rapture

Will there be a sky event and or sounds when the rapture occurs, for all to hear and see?

My reply

I doubt that Jesus will be seen in the sky at the first Rapture. We meet him in the clouds. The Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky at the second Rapture. Then, people will see Jesus sitting on his throne, because that is the first day of his 1000-year kingdom (Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14-16).

Jesus sits on his throne in Heaven on the Day of the Lord that is also the Day of God's Wrath, the Day of Christ's Coronation, the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Marriage of the Lamb. It is not the Second Advent. That is 7 months later (Eze. 39:12,13). Rev 6:14-17 says, "the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the THRONE, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Mt. 24:30,31 says, "then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming (but the Second Advent is still 7 months future) in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great SOUND OF A TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

Mark 13:23 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the 2nd Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (those caught up previously in the 1st Rapture).

All of the elect are gathered to the general assembly in Heaven on the first day of Jesus' kingdom (Heb. 12:23). Jesus will be giving out rewards in Heaven to the elect, great and small, while his Wrath hits the unbelievers left on Earth (Rev. 11:17,18).

Dan 7:14 says, "And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a KINGDOM, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his KINGDOM that which shall not be destroyed."

Ezekiel saw Jesus sitting on his throne. Thus the vision of Eze. 1 applies to the first day of Jesus' millennial kingdom.

Eze 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets orbiting in concentric circles around the Sun) was the likeness of a THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone (symbol of Saturn): and upon the likeness of the THRONE was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is butter yellow and amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward (i.e., from the equator upward), and from the appearance of his loins even downward (from the equator downward), I saw as it were (symbolic language) the appearance of fire, and it had BRIGHTNESS ROUND ABOUT. As the appearance of the bow (made by sunlight on ice crystals) that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the BRIGHTNESS ROUND ABOUT (i.e., the seven rings of ice crystals around Saturn). This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake."

Job 26:9 says, "He holdeth back the face of his THRONE, and spreadeth his cloud upon it." Saturn is shrouded with thick clouds. Jer 17:12 says, "A glorious high THRONE from the beginning is the place of our sanctuary."

Ezekiel played out the Rapture. Eze. 3:12-14 says, "Then THE SPIRIT TOOK ME UP, and I heard BEHIND ME A VOICE OF A GREAT RUSHING, saying, Blessed be the glory of the LORD from his place. I heard also the NOISE of the wings of the living creatures (i.e., the four terrestrail planets) that touched one another, and the noise of the wheels (orbits) over against them, and a NOISE OF A GREAT RUSHING, SO THE SPIRIT LIFTED ME UP, AND TOOK ME AWAY".

Eze 10:1,2 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims (farther out in space) there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone (symbol of Saturn), as the appearance of the likeness of a THRONE. And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (orbits), even under the cherub (Satan), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims (from the asteroid Wormwood, Rev. 8:11), and scatter them over the city (Jerusalem). And he went in in my sight."

Our son David had a Rapture dream in 1998 that he, Ed and I all went up from our front yard. He said there was a sound of rushing, but he had no sensation of wind buffeting his body.

OTHER SOUNDS AT THE FIRST RANK OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION

Mt. 27:51-53: "The veil of the temple was RENT IN TWAIN from the top to the bottom; and THE EARTH DID QUAKE, AND THE ROCKS RENT; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the SAINTS WHICH SLEPT AROSE, And came out of the graves AFTER HIS (Jesus') RESURRECTION".

Earthquakes here in southern California make noise. Tiny ones are just felt as a vibration under your feet or bed, or as a heaving, like gentle waves under a boat in a quiet ocean. Small quakes usually do no more than rattle the windows and dishes in the cupboard. That rattling of the windows in their grooves tells you it is an earthquake. During one, I felt like my chair was lifted up and put down a few inches away. Another hit when my car was stopped at a signal light. It felt like I couldn't keep the brakes on and was slipping backward. One rocked like a boat. Another hit when we were driving northwest on an elevated approach bridge from the Long Beach Freeway (north/south) onto the 91 Freeway (east/west). Traffic had slowed to a halt. Suddenly, it felt like the car had some strange thing wrong with it, but it was the bridge heaving like a bucking bronco.

Astonishingly, earthquakes can sound exactly like a train. We heard that train run right through our bedroom one night when we lived in La Mirada. It sounded like it ran right over us, but we weren't hurt. The very loud rumbling sound was more terrifying than the vibrations that went with it.

OTHER SOUNDS BESIDES RUSHING AT THE FIRST TRUMP, THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE, THE SECOND RANK IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION

I Thess. 4:16-18 says, "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the VOICE of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air."

MANY SHALL SEE THE RAPTURE

Psa. 40:1-3 says, "He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (out of the Earth, as Jeremiah was brought up out of the miry pit), out of the miry clay (body of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven, i.e., Saturn), and established my goings (in the Rapture). And he hath put a NEW SONG (sung after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

OTHER SOUNDS BESIDES RUSHING AT THE LAST TRUMP, PRE-WRATH RAPTURE, LAST RANK IN FIRST RESURRECTION

Rev 14:1-4 says, "I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a VOICE from heaven, as the VOICE of many waters, and as the VOICE of a great thunder: and I HEARD VOICE OF HARPERS harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS (i.e., wise virgins, the rest of the Bride saints). These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb." Of those at the last Rapture, the great multitude of Rev. 5:9 that can't be numbered are not part of the Bride of Christ. Agape

Incoming e-mail, RE: Sky Picture at Jesus Birth

My point is that on Sep. 4th it would be Tishri 2 not 1. Is that not the case?...

My reply

According to YourSky, Sept. 3, 5 BC could not be Tishri 1. The Moon is dark and is not under Virgo's feet.
According to NASA's Fred Espenak, the New Moon was "Sep 1 18:09 P". The eclipse that night was "Partial (Umbral)". The phasis, from the Dark New Moon to the visually sighted New Crescent Moon was usually two days. That would take us to Sept. 3. For the sign of Rev. 12:1-6, we need to wait until the New Crescent Moon is under Virgo's feet. That happened Sept. 4, 5 BC. Agape

Hydrothermal "Megaplume" Found in Indian Ocean

Brian Handwerk, 12-12-05
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1212_051212_megaplume_2.html

The plume, which stretches some 43.5 miles (70 kilometers) long, appears to be active on a previously unseen scale.

"In a nutshell, this thing is at least 10 times—or possibly 20 times—bigger than anything of its kind that's been seen before," said Bramley Murton of the British National Oceanography Centre....

"A normal hydrothermal vent might produce something like 500 megawatts, while this is producing 100,000 megawatts. It's like an atom bomb down there."...

"Ninety percent of the Earth's volcanic activity takes place underwater," Murton said. "Just because we can't see it doesn't mean it's not there."

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