Pro and Con 1269

Posted 12-24-05

Saturn has hot poles and gives off six times the heat she receives from the Sun, yet to find hot poles on one of her moons startled astronomers.

The Hot Poles of Enceladus



http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050809hotenceladus.htm

Aug 9, 05 - The unexpected hot spot around Enceladus’ south pole is another indication of electric currents coursing through Saturn’s moon and connected with the electric circuits that compose Saturn’s plasma sheath.

The NASA press release reports that this image “startled” scientists. The hot spot around Enceladus’ south pole is “very difficult to explain if sunlight is the only energy source heating the surface.” The only other likely heat source available to conventional theorists is internal heat, but they are “unsure how the internal heat reaches the surface.”

Close-up images reveal a series of somewhat parallel fractures that are the centers of the heat. NASA scientists speculate that internal heat escapes through these fractures and evaporates the ice along them, thereby generating Enceladus’ thin atmosphere of water vapor, which seems to be concentrated over the south pole. Water escaping from the atmosphere may be the source of the icy material in Saturn’s E ring, the largest ring, in which Enceladus orbits....

Shimon Peres Calls 2006 'Year for Peace', Meets European Parliament Members at European Jewish Congress Dinner

Contact: Avner Tavori of the World Jewish Congress
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2005/mjm1220-2.htm

PARIS, Dec. 15 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Meeting with 130 members of the European Parliament at the annual European Jewish Congress dinner on Israeli-European relations last evening, former Israeli Vice Prime Minister Shimon Peres called on the European Union to play a larger role in the Middle East peace process in the upcoming year, which the Noble Laureate considers will be a "Year of Peace"...

Re: Iron meteorite on Mars



Credit: Mars Exploration Rover Mission, JPL, NASA

Electric Meteorites?

2-9-05...Do meteors burn up from air friction or from electrical discharges sparked by short-circuiting a double layer? Are the streaks of light hot air or lightning? Are the noises shock waves or electrically transduced sounds? Are meteorites etched by friction or by electrical discharge machining?...

My comment

Chances are good that this meteorite is from the center of Satan's planet Rehab that was split apart forming our Asteroid Belt.

Isa. 51:9 (KJV) says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (i.e., the Son of God); awake, AS IN THE ANCIENT DAYS, IN THE GENERATIONS OF OLD (probably before Adam was created). Art thou not it that hath CUT (SPLIT) RAHAB, AND WOUNDED THE DRAGON (SATAN)?"

My guess is that the splitting of Rahab followed Satan's judgment, conviction and sentencing for his sin. Man may have been created to prove a point to Satan. If a smaller creature, less powerful, and not able to see God, can still obey Him, God is just in putting Satan and the other fallen angels in prison for their sins.

Isa 51:9,10 (Lamsa) says, "awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake as in the ancient days, as in the generations of old. Surely it was thou that didst DECREE A SEVERE SENTENCE THAT DIDST SLAY THE DRAGON. It was thou that didst dry the sea, the waters of the great deep."

Job 26:11-14 in the Jerusalem Bible says, "The pillars (uprights, i.e., the righteous) of the heavens (i.e., of the planets) tremble, awe-struck at his threats. By his power, he has whipped up the Sea, by his skill, HE HAS CRUSHED RAHAB. His breath has made the heavens luminous (the blackness of space lit up by the impact explosion), his hand TRANSFIXED THE FLEEING SERPENT (Satan). This is only a fraction of what he has done and all we catch of it is the feeblest echo."

Job 26:13 (Lamsa) says, "By his spirit he manages the heavens; HIS HAND SLEW THE FLEEING SERPENT."

Job 26:7-14 (KJV) says, "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them. He holdeth back the face of his throne (on Saturn, symbolized by the sapphire stone in Eze. 1:26), and spreadeth his cloud upon it (Saturnian clouds keep us from seeing the rock, i.e., the surface of the planet). He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end. The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at HIS REPROOF. HE DIVIDETH THE SEA with his power, and by his understanding HE SMITETH THROUGH THE PROUD (Heb. RAHAB). By his spirit he hath garnished (shiphrah, made bright) the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent (Satan). Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?"

Eze. 1:26 (KJV) says, "above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of A THRONE, AS THE APPEARANCE OF A SAPPHIRE STONE (sapphire, symbol of Saturn, means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus Christ) above upon it."

A star sapphire would make a good symbol of a planet

Psa 89:10-11 (KJV) says, "Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them."

HOW DO WE KNOW THAT JESUS WAS BORN ON TISHRI 1?

By Marilyn Agee

I believe that the first Adam became a living soul just as sunset ushered in Tishri 1, 283 BJE (before Jewish Era) (Sept. 18, 4044 BC). That was Adam's first full day. It was Saturday, when God rested and this cosmos began to operate as it does today. The Crescent Moon was under Virgo's feet on that day.

Haggai 2:18,19 indicates that Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24. Gestation runs from 270 to 280 days, boys being born earlier than girls. After 274 days, I believe Jesus was born on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets. I believe that he will receive his kingdom on his birthday, a future Feast of Trumpets.

Jesus is the second Adam (I Cor. 15:45), and I believe that he was born on Tishri 1, which was the Feast of Trumpets. Trumpets herald both the birth of Jesus and when he will receive his kingdom on the Day of the Lord, his birthday. As a new order began on Tishri 1 in 4044 BC, a new order will begin on Tishri 1, maybe in 5771 (6055 years later).

Scripture shows that he comes twice, once on Tishri 1 and the second time on Nisan 1. De. 11:14 says, "I will give you the rain of your land IN HIS DUE SEASON, THE FIRST RAIN AND THE LATTER RAIN".

Hosea 6:3 says, "THE LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER AND FORMER RAIN UNTO THE EARTH."

The Former Rain (autumn rain) begins Tishri 1 (Unger's Bible Handbook), the first day of the Hebrew Civil Year. The Latter Rain (spring rain) begins Nisan 1 (Unger), Jesus was born on Tishri 1, first day of the Hebrew Civil Calendar, and will return on Nisan 1, the first day of the Hebrew Regnal and Sacred Year. He will return on the same day that the other Hebrew kings officially took office. Nisan 1 was like Inauguration Day.

Joel 2:23 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in THE LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and HE WILL CAUSE TO COME DOWN FOR YOU THE RAIN, THE FORMER RAIN, AND THE LATTER RAIN IN THE FIRST MONTH."

Since "chodesh" in the Bible means both month and New Moon, when no day number is given, we are to assume that it is the first day of the month. For example, Ex. 19:1 says "In the third month (chodesh, New Moon, i.e., Sivan 1), when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same DAY (one day, i.e., Sivan 1) came they into the wilderness of Sinai."

De. 11:14 says, "I will give you the rain of your land IN HIS DUE SEASON, THE FIRST RAIN (yoreh, autumnal shower, sprinkling first rain, former rain) AND THE LATTER RAIN (malqo^sh, the spring rain, latter rain). Eze. 29:17,21 says, "in the FIRST MONTH, in the FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH, the word of the LORD came"....Eze 29:21 In that day (FIRST MONTH, FIRST DAY) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Jesus) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (i.e., the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

U.S. Army Finds Buried Ammunition Cache in Iraq

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,179316,00.html

Dec 21, 05 - ZUWAD KHALAF, Iraq — U.S. soldiers in the northern Iraqi desert dug up more than 1,000 aging rockets and missiles wrapped in plastic, some of which were buried as recently as two weeks ago, Army officials said Tuesday.

"This is the mother lode, right here," Sgt. Jeremy Galusha, 25, of Dallas, Ore., said, leaning on a shovel after finding more than 20 Soviet missiles....

Incoming email, Re: "REPLY TO MARILYN AGEE"

TEFE (7 Dec 2005)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/dec2005/tefe127.htm

The Talmud does ?dispute? whether Nisan or Tishri is the start of the year. As you correctly pointed out:

**The Sefas Emes, Reb Yehudah Aryeh Leib of Ger taught:..."We have an argument in [the Babylonian Talmud tractate] Rosh Hashanah 10b-11a as to whether the world was created in NISAN OR TISHRI. Rabbi Eliezer says that in Tishri the world was created... On Rosh Hashanah the slavery of our ancesto! rs in Egypt ceased [six months before the redemption]; in Nisan they were redeemed and in Nisan they will be redeemed in the time to come. Rabbi Joshua says that in Nisan the world was created...."**.

The Talmud, which contains the oral law, and the gemara, was first taught by the Tannim (?repeaters? circa 1-2nd century AD), later by the amoraim (3rd century onward).

There is no question, from Exodus Ch 12, that Abib was the first month used by the Hebrew calendar. The situation changed to commencing the new year with Tishrei, possibly during, but Certainly after the Diaspora. The reason is that pagan cultures worshipped the harvest season, when the hard work was mostly done and their grain and wine products had sufficiently fermented to accommodate riotous new year celebrations.

The Hebrews were commanded to be different, they were to commence with the hope and promise of a good harvest, by sowing (either tithes or seeds in the ground.). That is why God commanded the new year to start on Abib 1.

There is also a story, midrashim on Genesis where Joseph tells his brothers and Father Jacob that the sun, moon and stars would bow down to him. Father Jacob was repelled to think that ?your? (Joseph?s) Father (symbolized by the Sun) and Mother (symbolized by the moon) would bow down to him. It is all the more interesting, say the rebbes, since Joseph?s mother () was already dead for quite sometime. The celestial bodies were thought to ?bow? down at God?s New Year. Gen 35: 16 Then they moved on from Bethel. While they were still some distance from Ephrath, Rachel began to give birth and had great difficulty. 17 And as she was having great difficulty in childbirth, the midwife said to her, "Don't be afraid, for you have another son." 18 As she breathed her last?for she was dying?she named her son Ben-Oni. [h] But his father named him Benjamin. [i]

19 So Rachel died and was buried on the way to Ephrath (that is, Bethlehem). 20 Over her tomb Jacob set up a pillar, and to this day that pillar marks Rachel's tomb.

Regarding Sodom and Gomorrah (time of Lot), there can be no doubt it was spring, because as a fully effective type and foreshadow Lot was eating the unleavened bread of affliction (for the Sodomites, as Israel did eat for themselves and the Egyptians) and the bread of haste (as both groups had to depart quickly one from Sodom, the others from Egypt).

There is no doubt that the rabbinate altered their was after returning from the exile and stuck with them. Since the Temple was destroyed and the Paschal sacrifices were upset, the rabbinate deliberately refocused their spiritual attention to Yom Kippur. Suddenly the Hebrew spiritual life of the community revolved around a ?NON-REGALIM? (NON-PILGRIM) feast day. These secular errors crept in, became entrenched traditions and are now viewed as scriptural. For the pagan influences on the making of the post Diaspora calendar, I would recommend reading the numerous articles surrounding the calendar in the Encyclopedia Britannica.

Also, The TORAH, as a unit, is internally consistent with its dates, Abib was designated the First month, it retro applies to Genesis and long term applies (or was supposed to apply) longterm thereafter. "He seeks to change the times and seasons". The "he" is the spirit of antichrist, working during the Diaspora, The Roman Civilization up to the present with the BCE & CE designations.

Y?va reh-ch?cha Adonai v?yeesh-m?reh-cha,
Ya-air Adonai pa-nahv ay-leh-cha vee-choo-neh-ka,
Yee-sa Adonai pa-nahv ay-leh-cha v?ya-same l?cha Shalom, TEFE

My reply

> > The Hebrews were commanded to be different, they were to COMMENCE with the hope and promise of a good harvest, BY SOWING (either tithes or seeds in the ground.). That is why God commanded the new year to start on Abib 1. (emphasis is mine)

Gen 8:22 says, "While the earth remaineth, SEEDTIME and HARVEST, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease." "SEEDTIME" was in the fall, when grains were planted as soon as rain softened the ground. HARVEST started in the spring with barley and ended with the olive harvest in the fall. The last that they could tithe any kind of harvest was Hanukkah.

I am still of the opinion that there was a calendar started Tishri 1 on the Sabbath day that God rested. Man was instructed to keep every seventh day, so he had to keep track of the passage of days and weeks. It operated until the Exodus, when the New Year Day was changed to Nisan/Abib 1 for the Israelites. If there was no change, why would the LORD say, "unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt, "This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you. Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house" (Ex. 12:1-3). The change in the calendar was to commemorate the upcoming literal Passover, when the death angel passed over the houses with blood on the doorframes.

At the time of the Exodus, it seems that it would have been necessary to figure out the date of the coming Tishri 1 to be able to count back 177 days to set the date of Nisan 1. The 177 days between Nisan 1 and Tishri 1 never vary. Only from Tishri 1 to the next Nisan 1 varies from year to year. To figure the coming year's calendar in our days, the New Year Day, Tishri 1, for the following year is figured mathematically. Then 177 days before that should be Nisan 1. After that, basically, they see which of their six kinds of years it takes to fill in the rest of the time. Through the passage of time, they have set a few other rules of delaying NYD, but this gets one a quick estimated year.

From Gen. 1:14, man was to keep time, days and years, by the positions of the Sun and Moon. Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24 (Haggai 2:18,19) and born 274 days later, on Tishri 1, 3757 (Sept. 4, 5 BC). I believe that Yahshua/Jesus was born on the anniversary of the day Yahweh rested and the calendar began to be kept--on Tishri 1.

Rev. 12:1-5 shows us what the sky looked like on the day of Jesus' birth. Virgo was clothed with the Sun and the New Crescent Moon was at her feet at sundown. That sign was perfect on Sept. 4, 5 BC. It was also in the sky on Tishri 1, 283 BJE (before the Jewish Era) (Sept. 18, 4044 BC).

That same sign is in the sky on or very near Tishri 1 every year. Nisan doesn't have such a neat sign today. In all of the following, I set Universal Time at 15:00.
On Nisan 1, 5758 (4-4-1998), the Sun was in Pisces. The Moon, last quarter, was in Gemini.
On Nisan 1, 5759 (4-18-1999), the Sun was in Pisces. The New Crescent Moon was in Taurus.
On Nisan 1, 5760 (4-6-2000), Sun was in Pisces. The New Dark Moon was in Aries.
On Nisan 1, 5761 (4-25-2001), Sun was in Aries. The New Dark Moon was in Taurus.
On Nisan 1, 5762 (3-14-2002), Sun was in Pisces. The New Dark Moon was in Pisces.
On Nisan 1, 5763 (4-3-2003), Sun was in Pisces. The New Dark Moon was on borders of Aries, Cetus and Pisces.
On Nisan 1, 5764 (3-23-2004), Sun was in Pisces. The New Crescent Moon was in Aries.
On Nisan 1, 5765 (4-10-2005), Sun was in Pisces. The New Dark Moon was in Aries.
On Nisan 1, 5766 (3-30-2006), Sun was in Pisces. The New Dark Moon was in Pisces.
On Nisan 1, 5767 (3-20-2007), Sun was in Pisces. The New Dark Moon was in Pisces.

Contrast that with the sign that appears near the mathematical Tishri 1 calendar date of our days. In all these, Virgo was clothed with the Sun. It was in or near Virgo.

Near Tishri 1, 5761 (9-30-2000), New Crescent Moon at her feet THE SAME DAY.
Near Tishri 1, 5762 (9-18-2001), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-20.
Near Tishri 1, 5763 (9-7- 2002), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-10.
Near Tishri 1, 5764 (9-27-2003), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-28.
Near Tishri 1, 5765 (9-16-2004), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-17.
Near Tishri 1, 5766 (10-4-2005), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 10-5.
Near Tishri 1, 5767 (9-23-2006), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-25.
Near Tishri 1, 5768 (9-13-2007), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-15.
Near Tishri 1, 5769 (9-30-2008), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-31.
Near Tishri 1, 5770 (9-19-2009), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-21.
Near Tishri 1, 5771 (9-9- 2010), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-11.
Near Tishri 1, 5772 (9-29-2011), New Crescent Moon at her feet THE SAME DAY.
Near Tishri 1, 5773 (9-17-2012), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-18.
Near Tishri 1, 5774 (9-5- 2013), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-9.
Near Tishri 1, 5775 (9-25-2014), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-26.
Near Tishri 1, 5776 (9-14-2015), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-16.
Near Tishri 1, 5777 (10-3-2016), New Crescent Moon at her feet THE SAME DAY.
Near Tishri 1, 5778 (9-21-2017), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-22.
Near Tishri 1, 5779 (9-10-2018), New Crescent Moon at her feet on 9-12.
Near Tishri 1, 5780 (9-30-2019), New Crescent Moon at her feet THE SAME DAY

I think the Tishri 1 on which the Lord rested, Jesus' birthday, and the future Day of the Lord in which Jesus receives his kingdom on his birthday are all days in which the Sign of Rev. 12:1-5 appears. God works in a mathematically orderly way. I think he would have set a certain number of whole years from the beginning to Jesus' birth and from the beginning to when Jesus receives his kingdom on his birthday.

Hosea 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain starts on Tishri 1, date of Jesus' birth. The latter rain starts on Nisan 1, date of Jesus' Second Coming. This suggests that Tishri 1 was the first month of the Civil Year, and that Nisan was the first month of the Sacred Year. We know that Nisan 1 is the head of the Regnal Year also.

Eze. 19:17 sets the day as "the first month, in the first day of the month." Then verse 21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1, day the latter rain begins, Eze. 44:18,21) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Jesus) to bud forth (Second Coming on Nisan 1), and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Logos, the Word, i.e., Jesus, John 1:1-3) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Joel 2:23 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for HE HATH GIVEN YOU THE FORMER RAIN MODERATELY, AND HE WILL CAUSE TO COME DOWN FOR YOU THE RAIN, THE FORMER RAIN (i.e., First Advent on Tishri 1), AND THE LATTER RAIN (i.e., Second Advent on Nisan 1) IN THE FIRST MONTH" (i.e., the New Moon, which is the first day of the month). The First Advent was on the first day of the first month of the Civil Calendar. The Second Advent will be on the first day of the first month of the Sacred Calendar.

> > Regarding Sodom and Gomorrah (time of Lot), there can be no doubt it was spring, because as a fully effective type and foreshadow Lot was eating THE UNLEAVENED BREAD OF AFFLICTION (for the Sodomites, as Israel did eat for themselves and the Egyptians) and THE BREAD OF HASTE (as both groups had to depart quickly one from Sodom, the others from Egypt).

Affliction and haste fit the TRIBULATION. On the day before, "Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready QUICKLY three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he HASTED to dress it." (Gen. 18:6,7). That was all done in haste too.

Gen 18:14 says, "Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the TIME APPOINTED (probably Kislev 24, as in Haggai 2:18,19) I will return unto thee, according to the TIME OF LIFE (CONCEPTION), and Sarah shall have a son (probably on the following Tishri 1). I think the day Abraham and Sarah were visited by the Lord was Elul 29, for it was not yet the right time for Isaac, a type of Christ, to be conceived. The next day, Tishri 1, is when Lot was brought out of Sodom. Fire and brimstone fell from the heavens for on the future Tishri 1, when the Day of the Lord comes, fire and brimstone will fall when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 impact Earth.

> > Also, The TORAH, as a unit, is internally consistent with its dates, Abib was designated the First month, it retro applies to Genesis and long term applies (or was supposed to apply) longterm thereafter.

I still think Tishri was the first month of the new year until they were told to make Nisan their first month at the time of the Exodus. If the head of the year had been Nisan 1 from the beginning, they would not have needed to change it. From the references to the former and latter rain, it looks like both calendars existed at the same time.

> > "He seeks to change the times and seasons". The "he" is the spirit of antichrist, working during the Diaspora, The Roman Civilization up to the present with the BCE & CE designations.

It was the Lord that said in Ex. 12:2, "This month (Nisan) shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you." It was not the first month until this time, when the Lord changed it.

In De. 11:14, the Lord said, "I will give you the rain of your land (Israel) in HIS DUE SEASON (Jesus' due season), the first rain (Tishri 1, day of the First Advent) and the latter rain (Nisan 1, day of the Second Advent)". Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: apostasia, i.e., departure

I am glad that you have come to use the Lexicon to your advantage as perhaps a desk top or favorites item. Yes ! A "departure, a disappearance", what else can it mean. Those who don't dig miss a big treasure of hope. The more I understand reasoning for the different camps of Christianity, I remain so frustrated at "those" you just can't "see" a pre-trib rapture. They take a "falling away" in violation to all the Scriptures eluding to the anti-christ being revealed after the ecclesia is taken away. All this leads to another frustration that most believe all "professing" Christians believe that they can live like the world and still be taken in a pre-trib rapture. I know we just throw seed and those that see, see. Still, I suffer frustration from trying to get the blind to see. Marilyn, you are so precious to the Body of Christ in trying to get the lame to walk and with proper wedding garments and oil that require preparation.

All of this is being said like ears and eyes once taught become "stopped" to new perspectives of Scripture. It as if it isn't the preacher anymore, they have to hear in on CNN or some other liberal new box before they believe. Everyone seems to be suffering from information and brain overload. They, the majority, just aren't open to signs of our times. It must all fit into the coming disillusion, which now, it seems, is...

Thanks for allowing me to voice my frustration of stopped ears and blind eyes. These present attitudes too must come to pass. Thank God for a hoped for soon departure. Ah, there I go again. I'll be accused of becoming an another escapist preacher, hmmm.

Let's let them keep thinking about that after it happens.

In close, closing....
Merry Christmas...May our hope become true. The 25th is fine with my house and I. Agape"

My reply

Any time during the 8 days of the Feast of Dedication would be great. That's almost upon us.

Happy Holidays (to you and to all). Agape

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