Pro and Con 1272

Posted 1-11-06

Incoming e-mail, Re: Next Window

Us "WATCHERS" desire to know, your next ''Window", for our collective "Snatch!", outte here*

thank you again, til that time

My reply (corrected dates 1-17)

I'll have to put my mind to it.

The day before yesterday, I had my eyes examined, and got the bad news that I have cataracts developing in BOTH eyes. I only knew about one. No wonder things look so hazy. I can't blame the smog any more. I was given a new prescription for lenses. I will need an anti-glare coating or I won't be driving at night. The glare from oncoming headlights obscures the left side of the road now. The doctor said that the first he hears from people with cataracts is complaints about glare.

Yesterday, I went to Urgent Care for sore throat and ears, and am on an antibiotic.

Re: the next window. From this vantage point, several things point to Ascension Day or Pentecost.

Isaiah 18:3-6 shouts, "ALL YE INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD, AND DWELLERS ON THE EARTH, SEE YE, when he lifteth up an ensign (flag) on the mountains (kingdoms, as in the UN); AND when he bloweth a trumpet, HEAR YE."

We seem to be between the "see ye" and "hear ye." We are waiting patiently to hear the First Trump of God.

Continuing in Isaiah 18: "the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (nawbat, scan, look intently at, see; by implication to regard with pleasure, favor or care) in my dwelling place (Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For AFORE THE HARVEST (qa^tsi^yr, harvest, as reaped, the vintage is Elul and Tishri), when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (fits Ascension Day, Iyar 26, 5766 [June 4, 2006] or Pentecost, Sivan 7 [June 14]), he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away (sur sur, depart), and cut down the branches (netiyshah, a tendril [as an offshoot]). They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall WINTER upon them."

Summer starts June 21. That makes Iyar 26 (May 24, 2006) or Sivan 7 (June 3) sound good.

Song of Solomon 2:10-17 also indicates spring. It says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, my love (the Bride of Christ), my fair one, and COME AWAY (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture). For, lo, THE WINTER IS PAST, the rain (i.e., the latter rain of Nisan) is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (turtledove, they come in April) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the TENDER GRAPE give a good smell. ARISE, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (that rock is Christ), in the secret places of the stairs, (i.e., THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS, as Jacob's ladder, the bottom is on Earth, and the top is in Heaven) let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies. Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains of Bether (separation)."

The separation comes at the First Trump, the Pre-Trib Rapture. The wise virgins are taken up. The foolish virgins are left behind. Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him (the foolish servant) in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION (the shortened Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS."

Mt. 24:48-51 adds, "if that EVIL SERVANT shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION (the shortened Tribulation) WITH THE HYPOCRITES (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Agape

Incoming email, Re: FW: A Little Help, please

Greg Killian said this on his site, see below. Can one of you guys tell me what day he is speaking of? The links may be active below if they are highlighted. Thanks

My reply

Iyar 2.

I Kings 6 1 says, "it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif (or Iyar), which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD."

1Ki 6:37 In the fourth year was the foundation of the house of the LORD laid, in the month Zif" (Iyar).

2Ch 3:1,2 says, "Solomon began to build the house of the LORD at Jerusalem in mount Moriah, where the LORD appeared unto David his father, in the place that David had prepared in the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite. And he began to build in the SECOND DAY OF THE SECOND MONTH, in the fourth year of his reign."

I know the second temple was started in Iyar. I don't think it gives a day. Ezra 3:8 says, "Now in the second year of their coming unto the house of God at Jerusalem, in the second month (Iyar/Zif), began Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, and Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and the remnant of their brethren the priests and the Levites, and all they that were come out of the captivity unto Jerusalem; and appointed the Levites, from twenty years old and upward, to set forward the work of the house of the LORD. Agape

My COMMENTS

Re: http://members.aol.com/gkilli/home/index.html

> > Conclusion: HaShem is different from The Word. HaShem is the speaker who spoke The Word.
> > Taken together, the arguments presented in this paper prove conclusively that Yeshua is NOT HaShem (yod hey vav hey). Additionally, we can clearly see that Yeshua is Elohim.

> > So, let us return to our original questions:

Is Yeshua God? Yes, Yeshua is Elohim.

Is Yeshua HaShem (YHVH - yod hey vav hey)? Impossible, HaShem is non-corporeal.

> > Is Yeshua Elohim? Yes!

I believe that Yeshua IS both man and YHVH (called HaShem by the Jews when reading Scripture).

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH, King of Israel), AND I am the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, i.e., Yahshua/Yeshua/Jesus); and beside me there is no God."

The JPS (Jewish Publication Society's Tanach, Old Testament) is essentially the same. It says, "Thus saith the LORD, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts: I am the first, AND I am the last, and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD (Elohim)."

In Rev. 1:8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

In Rev. 1:17, Jesus said, Fear not; I am the first AND the last".

In Rev 22:13-16, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the end, the first (YHVH King of Israel) AND the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer). Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root (YHVH) AND the offspring of David (Jesus)".

II Cor. 5:19 says, "GOD was in Christ, reconciling the world unto HIMSELF".

Isa. 9:6 says, "For unto us a child (the seed of the woman, Gen. 3:15) is born (inheriting his human nature from his mother), unto us a son is given (inheriting his deity from his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace."

Incoming e-mail

http://www.revelations.org.za/FullGent.htm

The publishers of BIBLE REVELATIONS are convinced, that there is ONE only way in which the Church and Hebraic Messianics could ever "provoke Jews to jealousy", and that is, if these Messianics reverted to their ordained Mandate of accepting the True Eternal Covenant of YHVH, namely, Torah observance. This is the only way in which the Church or any force, could wish to provoke the Jews to jealousy, viz. to do what they regard as the supreme obligation to the God of Israel, namely Halachic interpreted Torah observance, better than the Jews observe it themselves! To also add the true spiritual dimension as well as Love (of Jews, the Land and the One True God of Israel)....

Orthodox Judaism is not at all impressed by these, to them, 'strange' people who persist in wanting to teach them about their Messiah which Jews do not accept. With the concept which the Church has been proclaiming about the Messiah, it should be no surprise or disappointment to Messianics that Jews refuse to accept the contorted image of Christianity's 'messiah'. Yet, Messianics refuse to accept this rejection and generally persist in their self-exalted consideration of their superior knowledge to Jews.

How ludicrous this self-exalted conception is, should be clear if one considers that for 2 700 years, the Lost Tribes of Israel have been rejecting the original Hebraic Faith. For all this time they have been living amongst paganism, opposed to the Original True Biblical Faith of Judaism which they had rejected 700 years before their Jewish practicing Messiah walked this earth. Now, merely after 10 or 20 years of recent re-discovery of their Original Hebraic Faith, and while they are still oblivious of many basic tenets of this Faith which they have not yet fully re-discovered, they have the audacity to regard their new-found knowledge as superior to that of Rabbinic Judaism which has been at it for all of the 2 700 years and beyond!...

My Comments

This could be the way the Israelites of Rev. 12:17 think. It says, "the dragon was wroth with the woman (Israel), and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

Gal 3:24-29 says, "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

Col 2:14 says, "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross".

Eph 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God".

A URL suggested in an email on Pro and Con 1270

http://www.revelations.org.za/Lib.htm

Let us now carefully examine one of the most often misquoted verses in the Bible: "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable" (the word "is" has been put in italics because it is not found in the original Greek text, but was added to our Bible text by the translators. The American standard version of 1901 drops the "is, " and the scholar George Ricker Berry, in his interlinear New Testament, says, "Every Scripture God inspired, is profitable". Today, it is a recognised alternative rendering....

It would be well for people everywhere to examine the writings of Paul with unbiased minds, taking into consideration what they were, and realising also what he was. Paul was God's man; but he was not man's God, as many have tried to make him out.

Paulinism with its many implications have become a REAL HERESY. The natural result of THIS WARPED SYSTEM will undoubtedly be to discount the Words of God, abolish the underlying true essence of the Message of the Kingdom for this age, and present seeking believers with ANOTHER GOSPEL, WHICH IS CALLED THE "GOSPEL OF GRACE". No greater lie has ever been foisted upon the people of God than this terrible misrepresentation of the True Purpose and Plan of the Creator God for man - as embodied in THE SO-CALLED "NEW GOSPEL OF GRACE", which is accredited to the apostle Paul according to his interpretation....

We find that the apostle Paul, declared that he was "not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles" (2 Cor, 11:5); and again: "In nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles" (2 Cor,12:11). These are assertions which are rather hard to accept, for in comparing this claim of Paul to superiority, with Hebrews 3:1, where Messiah is also referred to as an “Apostle”, we find cause to wonder if Paul, the former "Saul of Tarsus", perhaps thought himself to be "not a whit behind" the Man of Galilee? Did he think he was equal with the Saviour of mankind? In any event, masses of Christians today regard him as just such - and even more, considering that they allow Paul to have authority over the Law of God, claiming it to have been replaced, done away with, nullified, “nailed to the Cross!” As such, they regard him as author of a “New Gospel”.

The writer of these epistles, in his constant reference to himself, has thrown an element of confusion into his message, which has blinded the eyes of many. He did, unquestionably, have a divine revelation - but not a new Gospel. He was instructed of the Lord; not of men; but he was not given a different Message! Paul consistently preached the Gospel of the Kingdom to the very end of his ministry: "Preaching the Kingdom of God” (Acts 28 : 31); "The glorious Gospel of Messiah” (2 Cor.4:4); also 2 Thess. 1:8; Rom. 15:19 - all of these statements deny that this apostle was the chosen herald of a New Gospel

Devotees of the heresy of "grace unlimited", find abundant support for their distorted teachings in the epistles of Paul. There are millions of present-day professing Christians who actually believe that this 'apostle was the founder of a “New Gospel of Grace”. It is this teaching that has opened the door of the church to the world: unrestricted license, freedom and liberty from all law to any who will accept and believe the new Gospel. It is this interpretation which has heralded these present times of lawlessness and crime without proper judgment in the world.

(3) - The "mysteries" to which Paul refers, are played up as absolute proof (by the "Grace GospeI" teachers) that the Lord vested the "Grace Message' in this one man, alone. Those who are curious, often love to delve into mystery. Many cultists and sectarians feed upon the mental excitement derived from exploring "the secret things that belong unto God". Clever interpretations of "dark speeches" feed the egos of the proud in heart aa they probe into the philosophical labyrinth of human speculation. The letters of Saul from Tarsus provide an inexhaustible source for those who like to delve in to the Word of God merely for personal entertainment. The word mystery is used 27 times in the New Testament: the author of the epistles has used it 20 times! And of course, the "Grace Gospelers" make much of these mysteries spoken of by this apostle. The promise of the revelation of a new mystery has somewhat the same effect upon people who turn away from the plain Commands of the Saviour in an attempt to find a philosophical sop in the writings of others....

My comments

His problem is that he accepts what he thinks is inspired by God, and tries to discredit verses that seem to disagree with his viewpoint.

Yet II Tim 3:16 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness".

The word translated "All" is "pas", a primary word; ALL, any, every, THE WHOLE. I take it as meaning the whole Bible. The man who wrote the above thinks he can pick and choose which he thinks is inspired by God.

If two passages seem to disagree, we can't afford to throw one out. We have to try to figure out how they can both be true. The first thing we should check out is what the original words mean. Only the original edition was 100% true. Translations are very good, but not 100% perfect.

II Tim 3:16 in the Geneva Bible says, "For the WHOLE Scripture is giuen by inspiration of God, and is profitable to teache, to conuince, to correct, and to instruct in righteousnesse". I think that is the real meaning of the passage.

My reply to an incoming email, Re: fear

> > Why do you walk in so much fear?

I don't.

> > Why do you fear the tribulations so much?

I don't.

> > Do you fear that you may not be good enough for GOD that HE would not lead you through the tribulations?

No.

> > We are to fear GOD, but not anything man can do to us.

That's right, but if we were here when the wrath of God hits Earth, we sure would "fear GOD."

> > Any thing we fear we look for an escape or a way around it.

I just go by Scripture. Luke 21:31-36 says, "So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled. Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. WATCH YE THEREFORE, AND PRAY ALWAYS, THAT YE MAY BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Do you watch? Have you ever prayed to be accounted worthy to escape all these things? If not, I think it would be wise to do so. Do you know how to be accounted worthy to escape all these things? The wise virgins will escape (Mt. 25:1f). The foolish ones will not escape at the first Rapture (I Thess. 4:16,17). They will have to wait until the second Rapture (I Cor. 15:51,52), and that will take place on the Day of God's Wrath. They will be saved so as by fire.

The Pre-Trib Rapture will be as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Rain fell that day.

The Pre-Wrath Rapture will be as the days of Lot (Luke 17:29). Fire and brimstone fell that day and wiped out Sodom, Gomorrah and the cities of the plains. The Earth was cracked from Syria to Lake Nyassa in Africa, forming the Great Rift Valley.

Dan 12:1-3 says, "And at that time (when the False Prophet shall come to his end, 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and THERE SHALL BE A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered (the 144,000 will come out of Great Tribulation, Rev. 7:1-14), every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever."

Jer 30:6,7 says of that day, "Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see EVERY MAN with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: IT IS EVEN THE TIME OF JACOB'S TROUBLE; but he shall be saved out of it."

> > Why do you teach others to fear the tribulations?

I just tell what is in the Bible. On the Day of the Lord at the end of the shortened Tribulation, the two asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 will impact Earth. The mountain burning with fire will hit the Mediterranean Sea at noon.

Zeph. 2:3-5 says, "Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast."

Eze. 38:18-20 says, "And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains (including the asteroids) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground." When every wall will fall, the cities of the nations will be ruined. Every building will fall.

Rev. 16:18-21 says, "And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

> > The only thing to fear is fear itself.

That's not true, even though Churchill (I mean Roosevelt) said it. Hell is something to fear.

Jer 30:6 says, "Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?"

Luke 21:26 says of that day, "Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken."

Rev. 6:12-17 says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and EVERY MOUNTAIN AND ISLAND WERE MOVED OUT OF THEIR PLACES (THAT WOULD CAUSE TSUNAMIS). And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

If you were here on that day, what would you do? Would you still say, "The only thing to fear is fear itself"? Besides the two large asteroids, a hail of rocks weighing about 100 pounds each will fall. The dead will lay around the Earth on that day.

Isa 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here? (Babylon III) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high (in the asteroid Wormwood, a piece of Satan's planet Rahab that split apart forming our Asteroid Belt), and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. HE WILL SIRELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL INTO A LARGE COUNTRY: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Isa. 59:1 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (i.e., the Son of God); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (Satan)?" Agape

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