Pro and Con 1279

Posted 3-7-06

Prayer Request

Please pray for Mike Curtiss. He is still struggling with extreme pain in his back.

A new turquoise comet is shown on APOD
Is it a sign?

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

"Comets bright enough to be visible to the unaided eye appear only every few years. Right now, however, a new comet has brightened unexpectedly and is visible as a faint streak to the unaided northern observer in the eastern morning sky just before sunrise. Binoculars may help. Comet Pojmanski, officially designated C/2006 A1 and discovered only in January, now sports a turquoise tail several times longer than the full moon."

Incoming e-mail, Re: April 2006?

...I am reading a lot about a possible rapture at 2006 in April (resurrection). How do you feel about this? Just curious.

My reply

Resurrection Day is possible, and as I understand it, Jesus did make a trip to Heaven and back that day. He could not be touched until he came back. However, he did not emphasize that trip. We have to put verses together from different books of the Bible to understand that. We are not told that anyone saw him go up or come back.

What he did forty days after Resurrection Day is very plain. Acts 1:9-11 says, And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

Jesus is the head of the Body of Christ. It would be very natural for the trunk to represent the Old Testament saints he took to Heaven on Resurrection Day, one leg to represent the Bride saints caught up on Ascension Day, and the other leg to represent the Tribulation saints caught up on the Feast of Trumpets that begins Christ's millennial kingdom.

I think the two men in white apparel were Moses and Elijah, because Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus at the Transfiguration (Mark 9:2-4). These two will come down with Jesus at the Rapture and will stay on Earth during the next 1263.5 days (Rev. 11:3-12). During the last 3.5 days, Moses and Elijah will be killed and resurrected. Then they will also hear Jesus say, "Come up hither" and ascend to Heaven. Their enemies will see them go up, as men saw Jesus go up.

Moses and Elijah's presence seems to tie Ascension Day to the day of the Rapture. Both times, Moses and Elijah come to Earth.

What about Rom. 6:5? It says, "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection". Likeness is the Greek "homoioma." It means likeness, similitude, similar to. It might be on the same feast day, but it might not be on the same feast day. I can't see that we are absolutely limited to Resurrection Day. If we were, why would Jesus have ascended 40 days later?

Since we have been "planted together in the likeness of his death" at different times, it seems to me that we can be resurrected at a different time.

The number 40 means testing and probation. Jesus was tempted by Satan 40 days. I think Adam was tested 40 years in the Garden of Eden. The wise and foolish virgins might be tested 40 days before the Bride group ascends.

This would allow the Holy Spirit to descend on the 144,000 Israelites at Pentecost to empower them to minister to the lost during the Tribulation. God never leaves himself without a witness.

At the time of the second Rapture, just before God's wrath hits Earth, the 144,000 Israelites will be added to the Bride group for they are virgins.

Rev. 14:3-5 says, "And they sung as it were a NEW SONG (as after the first Rapture, Rev. 5:9) before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles): and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which WERE REDEEMED FROM THE EARTH. These are they which were not defiled with women (probably the religious groups in the harlot church); for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from (apo, away from, as in a departure from) among men, being the firstfruits (i.e., the last rank of the firstfruits) unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God."

Ascension Day will be Wednesday, Iyar 26 (May 24, 2006). Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Check out Astronomy Picture of the Day

Marilyn, check out today's APOD, entitled "A Mysterious Transient." It was recently detected, towards the constellation Aries. Astronomers are watching to see what it will do next.

I hope you and Ed are well. Bless you for your faithful watching. I think you are part bulldog :) Love

My reply

Thanks for the tip to see that APOD.

I might be as stubborn as a bulldog. I'm sure determined to do what the Lord wants me to do, no matter what goes on otherwise.

Except for colds, we are ok. I had to up my meds for Diabetes, but I'm still taking one less pill than Ed. I'm so happy to have the feeling back in my feet. I can now move my toes normally. I don't want any more Nutra-Sweet, ever. Hope they take it off the market. It is odd that both of us developed Diabetes. Ed had no history of it in his family whatsoever. My dad was Diabetic, though. I wonder if Nutra-Sweet had anything to do with both of us becoming Diabetic after we started using it? or with Ronald Reagan having Alzheimer's? Love

"March Lunar & Solar Eclipses", from 5 Doves site

Matt (2 March 2006)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/mar2006/matt32.htm

Eclipses:
March 14, 2006 "Penumbral Lunar Eclipse" visible in Americas, Europe, Africa, Asia

March 29, 2006 "Total Solar Eclipse" visible in Africa, MidEast, Europe, Asia

Jewish Feasts/holidays:

Purim (war against the enemies of the Jews in the Persian empire) is March 14-16.

My comment

This is about the same as in 4 BC, the year Herod died. Of Purim, Josephus said, "...that very night there was an eclipse of the moon" (Ant. XVII. VI. 4). That was March 13.

"Mid-April 2006 Rapture", From 5 Doves site

Jerry Grenough (2 March 2006)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/mar2006/jerryg32.htm

HERE IS ROMANS 6:5.. THE HOLY SPIRIT MEANS EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID !

"FOR IF....WE HAVE BEEN "PLANTED" TOGETHER IN THE ..."LIKENESS" OF HIS DEATH.... WE SHALL ..ALSO...BE IN THE..."LIKENESS" OF HIS RESURRECTION" !!!

THIS IS WAY MORE...THAN JUST A DOCTRINAL STATEMENT! THE HOLY SPIRIT IS TELLING US HERE THAT WE WILL BE RAISED IN THE "LIKENESS OF HIS RESURRECTION"....I.E. "IN THE SAME WAY, ON THE SAME FEAST DAY, AT THE SAME TIME, IN THE SAME SEASON" !!!

My comments

That would be nice. Nisan 16, 5766, the Feast of Firstfruits, is April 14, 2006.

However, we have not all been planted together on the same date of his death, so the word "likeness" does not always have to indicate the same day.

Rom. 6:5 (KJV) says, "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection."

Rom. 6:5 (LITV) says, "For if we have been joined together in the likeness of His death, so also shall we be in the resurrection".

My Personal Experience with Aspartame/Nutra-Sweet

By Marilyn Agee

Years ago, when I first began drinking diet soft drinks, my two smallest toes on each foot began to get numb. At the time, I didn't connect the numbness with drinking diet soft drinks. After drinking diet soft drinks for many years, both feet had become totally numb, even my ankles. I was later diagnosed with Diabetes, so both me and my doctor blamed my numb feet on Diabetes. At that time, I started using Nutra-Sweet/aspartame on cereal, in tea, etc.

Because of something I read about aspartame on the Internet about 14 months ago, I stopped using Nutra-Sweet. I switched to Sweet and Low.

Since I had previously been in bed a month with excruciating back pain, I had bought slip-on sport shoes without an upper heel. I drove the car for months wearing those shoes, thinking they were comfortable.

About a year after I stopped using Nutra-sweet, I stepped onto the hard kitchen floor without shoes. I got such a surprise. The jolt of pain in my right heel was unbelievably intense. I had been bruising my heel driving in those shoes, but, because of the numbness, I didn't know it. I also didn't know that another pair of shoes was hurting my big toe. From that point on, little by little, I have regained feeling in my feet. Now, I can move my toes normally. Before that, they were as if glued together and stationary.

I told my doctor that I didn't think the numbness was from Diabetes, or it wouldn't have gone away. She agreed.

I still have some numbness on top of my feet and in my ankles, but that is receding day by day. It is as if the nerves in my feet are slowly being repaired from the bottom up. I get fleeting twinges occasionally and think, "Good, that's another nerve that is now able to fire." I thank the Lord that I stopped using Nutra-Sweet before the numbness became permanent.

Incoming e-mail, Re: date Jesus was born

It seems at best Sep 4th, 5BC is Tishri 2 and a number of calendar programs label it as Tishri 3. You are the only one who seems to think it is Tishri 1. Can you point me to another source that supports your Tishri 1 label?

Also, how are you determining the meaning of "under/at her feet", at what points along the ecliptic path would the conditions be met to consider the Moon "under/at her feet". I cannot see how the Moon being in the constellation of Libra and not even in Virgo anymore as is the situation on Sep 4th, 5BC meets this requirement. Are you merely going by someone's imagined picture of where the "feet" are, because if that is the case, there are many different pictures by various artists over the centuries that are completely different and this is no basis for a solid interpretation.

I also cannot reconcile the date for the Feast of Tabernacles (Tishri 15) using Sep 4th , 5BC for Tishri 1. We know the full Moon and a total Lunar Eclipse occurred on Friday evening to Saturday morning. Your dating would push Tishri 15 to Sunday evening to Monday evening, two weeks later and 2 days beyond the Full Moon.

It just doesn't work.

My reply

> > It seems at best Sep 4th, 5BC is Tishri 2 and a number of calendar programs label it as Tishri 3. You are the only one who seems to think it is Tishri 1. Can you point me to another source that supports your Tishri 1 label?

No. I study pretty much by myself and have been going at it as hard as I can ever since about 1960. I've been working on the days of Christ's birth and crucifixion for about 45 years on my own. I read lots about it in BIOLA library's Seminary Collection. One of the most helpful was an unpublished thesis "Problems of Chronology in the Life of Christ," by Leslie P. Madison. Then, I was so thankful that they built BIOLA's La Mirada campus near where we lived. Now, I'm so thankful for computers and nice people that are willing to put their programs, like YourSky, Calendar Converter, and e-sword on the Internet for us to use free of charge. May God bless them richly for it. We now have ways of checking our work that we didn't have before.

There are several things I have had to dig out for myself, because I couldn't find anyone who I thought really knew what they meant. I searched 7 years at the BIOLA library for any author who understood what the flaming sword and cherubim in Gen. 3:24 and Eze. 1 and 10 stand for. Convinced that the cherubim were not angels, I couldn't find a sensible answer. Most authors either left it out or went off on a fanciful trip I couldn't believe. I told the Lord he'd have to show me, that I wanted to understand everything he wanted man to know about the Bible. I quit reading my 18" stack of books from BIOLA each week and just used the Bible and Strong's Concordance. Finally, after looking up words of Eze. 1 in Strong's, it finally fell into place.

The 4 cherubim are the 4 terrestrial planets orbiting the central Sun. The flaming sword is an asteroid shot out into orbit (probably a cometary orbit) when Satan's planet Rahab was split apart forming our Asteroid Belt. This flaming sword of Gen. 3:24 that turns every way, rotates and orbits, is guarding the way to Heaven. The wheels within wheels in Eze. 1:15,16 are the concentric orbits of the terrestrial planets about the central Sun, the "fire infolding itself" of Eze. 1:4. In v. 15, one wheel was "upon the earth," and Earth has an orbit.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (the Son of God); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (Satan)?"

Another thing came clear to me when I looked up "sapphire" (Eze. 1:26) in Webster's Collegiate Dictionary. It means "dear to the planet Saturn," from the Sanscrit Sani (Saturn) and priya (dear). I think the sapphire throne of Jesus is on Saturn. The rings were the "brightness round about" that Ezekiel saw (Eze. 1:27,28). I have never heard of anyone else that came to that conclusion before I did.

Several years ago, a friend of ours and of Ernest L. Martin sent me ELMs books. I have enjoyed them a lot. ELM did a lot of research. I'm sorry that I have to disagree with his conclusion in "The Star That Astonished The World." None of us are right all the time, no matter how hard we try, and he tried hard.

> > Also, how are you determining the meaning of "under/at her feet", at what points along the ecliptic path would the conditions be met to consider the Moon "under/at her feet". I cannot see how the Moon being in the constellation of Libra and not even in Virgo anymore as is the situation on Sep 4th, 5BC meets this requirement.

Look at that date on YourSky. It isn't hard to tell when the Moon is straight down from her feet.

I go by Rev. 12:1. It says, "a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet". Imagine dropping two plumblines from the foot area of Virgo, one at the upper foot area, the other at the lowest foot area. Anywhere between those lines is under her feet. Some years, the Moon would be close to the feet. Other years, it would be lower, but still under her feet. Rev. 12 said nothing about the Moon being in Virgo, just that it is under her feet. It doesn't even say that the Sun has to be in Virgo, just close enough to bathe Virgo in its light.

> > Are you merely going by someone's imagined picture of where the "feet" are, because if that is the case, there are many different pictures by various artists over the centuries that are completely different and this is no basis for a solid interpretation.

I'm going by the visible stars that are at the opposite end from the head of Virgo.

> > I also cannot reconcile the date for the Feast of Tabernacles (Tishri 15) using Sep 4th , 5BC for Tishri 1. We know the full Moon and a total Lunar Eclipse occurred on Friday evening to Saturday morning. Your dating would push Tishri 15 to Sunday evening to Monday evening, two weeks later and 2 days beyond the Full Moon.

I searched for" full moon," and "moon was full," with eSword. It didn't turn up one instance where it was used in the Bible. In the Hebrew Calendar, Tishri 1 is not on the conjunction. That is the Dark Moon. It is when the New Crescent Moon is sighted. The phase can be 2-4 days. Since Tishri 1 is not on the conjunction, Tishri 15 will not be exactly on the Full Moon, either. It will be offset by the same number of days that Tishri 1 is offset from the conjunction.

Fred Espenak at NASA listed the conjunction on Sept. 1 (at 18:09) and the eclipse on Sept. 15, 5 BC (at 20:05). Therefore, the 15th was the Full Moon. Otherwise, the eclipse could not take place. The Sun, Earth and Moon have to line up. Otherwise, Earth's shadow cannot hit the Moon.

However, Tishri 1 could not begin at the Dark Moon on Sept. 1, 5 BC. Tishri 1 is offset, because the New Crescent has to be sighted. That can be 2-4 days. According to a man that lives there, the Moon stays dark several days in the Middle East.

What we have to go by is Rev. 12:1,2. Jesus was born when Virgo was clothed with the Sun and the Moon was at her feet. That had to be Tishri 1 (Hos. 6:3, Eze. 29:17,21).

> > It just doesn't work.

It works for me. Tiberius became Co-Rex in 12 AD. His 15th year was 26 AD, when Jesus was baptized when he was near 30 years old. The temple construction started in 20/19 BC. It had been going on 46 years at the first Passover of Jesus' ministry in 27 AD. I think Jesus was born in 3757 and died in 3790. All the pieces of this jigsaw puzzle fit together perfectly. Agape

Lunar Formation

Shalom, Marilyn! One of your entries caught my eye concerning lunar formation and your theory is in agreement with a current one popular with some astro geologists. (Forgive me if you already this?) I have heard it called the "Orpheus Theory" for the name given to a mars size planetary body that may have impacted earth. A computer model generated a few years back at the Scandia Labs in New Mexico showed how a 'double hit' by such an object with the earth would satisfy the current evidence for the existence of our moon.

Here is a link: http://www.faqs.org/faqs/astronomy/faq/part5/section-22.html

I would like to add that those who regard science as contradicting G-d are sure to see His Hand if they are willing to wait. The best scientists are those who are open to receiving the WHOLE TRUTH, and that means sticking to the scientific method which demands one does not jump to premature, and often erroneous, conclusions.

As mere mortals, there is SO MUCH we are not even capable of understanding, yet we continue (oh, I do hope present company is excluded, but I fear we all fall prey to this from time to time) to pretend we know or can know all G-d's secrets! This is surely vanity. The One Who Created the Universe is wise and all knowing. Man, on the other hand, can certainly be foolish and ignorant. Look no further than today's headlines. (Or, in my case, my own mirror)

Speaking of mirrors, we are encouraged that as we draw nearer to Him, the glass WILL become clearer and one day we will all see Face to Face, Halle-lu-Yah!

May G-d Bless you abundantly, Marilyn :) Shalom Aleichem

My reply

Thanks. Do you know why some think a "double hit" is required? This is the first time I have seen that mentioned.

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/astronomy/faq/part5/section-22.html
"If the Earth and Moon formed simultaneously at nearly the same location in the solar system, then the differing chemical compositions of the two are quite difficult to understand. Why are they similar yet so different?"

I don't think the Earth and Moon formed simultaneously. To me, it is easy to see that the extreme heat of the impact explosion burned off the Moon's volatile elements. Lot's of brecia, rock made up of broken pieces of various rock types, is found on the Moon. There are also lots of colored glass spherules on the Moon, suggesting that there was a tremendous amount of heat melting the rocks at the time of impact.

Earth shows signs of a tremendous impact too. Glass sperules are scattered all around the Earth. The clay layer in which iridium is found is another sign of impact. May God bless you richly. Shalom and agape

The necessary things were done speedily, so Archelaus could sail to Rome to secure "a complete title to the kingdom" (Wars II.I.1). Agape

Will there be a rapture? Pre-trib? other? Read what the earliest writers in history said about it.

By Joseph Viel
http://www.messiahalive.net/

This post will explore what was written in the early writings of the believers of the first few centuries concerning the possibility of a Rapture....

...I'll summarize below, from an objective standpoint, what was said in...

Ezra
The Didache
Cyprian
Ephraim
and others

In each case, I've provided links you can click on to go and read what they actually said in its full context, rather than just reading the quotes I'm providing....

(Read the interesting article on Joe Viel's site)

Incoming e-mail, Re: calandar info

Seasons beginning March 1

In Denmark, spring begins on March 1, while in Australia autumn begins on March 1. Meterological spring in the Northern Hemisphere, also begins on March 1, as meterological autumn in the Southern Hemisphere, also begins on March 1.

Year Beginning March 1

If one begins each year on March 1, then each date will have the same day number in this year, regardless of whether it is a leap year or not (e.g. December 25 is always day 300). This is due to the fact that the Gregorian and Julian calendars are based on the old Roman Calendar, which had March 1 as the first day of the year. The addition of the leap day of February 29 (which is what causes the days of leap years to fall on different day numbers) is a continuation of the February placement of the old Roman calendar's Mensis Intercalaris (a shortened extra month inserted to bring the 355 day long calendar into rough alignment with the seasons).

Also the months follow a regular 5-month cycle of 153 days, till the end of February. This can be seen by listing the number of days in the months thus:

Mar 31 - Aug 31 - Jan 31
Apr 30 - Sep 30 - Feb 28/29
May 31 - Oct 31
Jun 30 - Nov 30
Jul 31 - Dec 31

This regularity is sometimes used in calendar calculations.

YOU PROBABLY ALEADY HAVE THIS INFORMATION--BUT,JUST IN CASE YOU DON'T IT MAY BE HELPFUL IN YOUR QUEST.

My reply

Thanks. I hadn't thought of it this way. I know that the number of days between Passover and Trumpets are always the same on the Hebrew Calendar, but I hadn't analised the Gregorian Calendar that much. Agape

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