Pro and Con 1280

Posted 3-12-06

A Sign? Amazing turquoise color of Comet Pojmanski grabs our attention

"C/2006 A1 ( Pojmanski )"
http://www.aerith.net/comet/catalog/2006A1/2006A1.html

Incoming e-mail, Re: Acension Day 2006

Isn't Acension Day on Thursday, May 25th, Iyar 27, for 2006? And Pentecost on Friday, June 2, 2006, the 6th day of Sivan, this year?

That would make Acension Day on the 2nd month, 27th day (as the days of Noah-even though it was fall in the days of Noah), the day Noah came out of his protective ark. And, Noah came out of the ark in the 2006th year after creation, according to the Genesis geneologies. Sounds as if we may have "considered it perfectly."

Haggai 2:15 "And now, I pray you, consider from this day and upward, from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the temple of the LORD." The foundation stone for the rebuilt temple will be laid after the church is taken out in the rapture.

The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly. Jeremiah 23:20

Genesis 5
3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:...

Years after creation - 2006

130 Adam to Seth

105 Seth toEnos

90 Enos to Cainan

70 Cainan toMahalaleel

65 Mahalaleel to Jared

162 Jared to Enoch

65 Enoch to Methuselah

187 Methuselah to Lamech

182 Lamech to Noah

600 Flood-Noah was 600 years old when the flood came

350 Noah Died 350 years after the flood.

2006th Year of Creation

13And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.. 14And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried. 18And Noah went forth, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him: 19Every beast, every creeping thing, and every fowl, and whatsoever creepeth upon the earth, after their kinds, went forth out of the ark. Genesis 8: 13-19

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. I John 3:2

Jesus ascended on Ascension Day, 40 days following the Resurrection, after teaching and preaching. Perhaps we will also, after we have shared the gospel while on earth. We have been and are in the ark of His protection, as believers. Since we shall be like him, when he shall appear, maybe we ascend on Ascension Day.

Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them. (Isaiah 42:9)

Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: (Isaiah 46: 9-10)

Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. (Amos 3:7)

But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. (Mark l3:23)

The return of the son of man shall be as the days of Noah..........Strong's reference says that "days" means a period of time. Time period of Noah ended in the 2006th year of creation.

It looks as if Genesis told us the end from the beginning, just as stated in Isaiah 46: 9-10.

My reply

> > Isn't Acension Day on Thursday, May 25th, Iyar 27, for 2006? And Pentecost on Friday, June 2, 2006, the 6th day of Sivan, this year?

It depends on how one counts the 50 days from Firstfruits to Pentecost. Starting from Firstfruits, Nisan 16, Nisan 17 would be day #1, I counted Ascension Day as Wednesday, Iyar 26, 5766 (May 24, 2006). Sivan 6 and 7 are Friday and Saturday, June 2 and 3. The Feast of Trumpets will be Saturday, Sept. 23, 2006 (Tishri 1, 5767).

Iyar 26 is marked. The Six Day War of 1967 started on Iyar 26, Ascension Day.

> > That would make Acension Day on the 2nd month, 27th day (as the days of Noah-even though it was fall in the days of Noah), the day Noah came out of his protective ark. And, Noah came out of the ark in the 2006th year after creation, according to the Genesis geneologies. Sounds as if we may have "considered it perfectly."

I think you meant that Noah died in the 2006th year after Adam was created. That's correct. 1056 AH + 950 = 2006 AH (Gen. 5:28; 9:28,29).

You may have something here. Mt. 24:37 says, "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Noah was born in 1056 AH and died in 2006 AH.

Wow! That's exciting news, the best I've received lately. I sure hope the Rapture will be on Iyar 26, 5766, Ascension Day (Wednesday, May 24, 2006 AD).

Since the Six-Day War started on Iyar 26, the Tribulation might begin on Iyar 26. Also, since the Great Tribulation is shortened, the whole Tribulation could last about six years (2006 to 2011). The year 5771 is 2010/2011, and it is a Leap Year. It still might be possible that the Day of God's Wrath would be on Sept. 9, 2010 (Tishri 1, 5771), and the Second Advent 7 months later (Eze. 39:12,13), on April 5, 2011 (Nisan 1, 5771).

> > It looks as if Genesis told us the end from the beginning, just as stated in Isaiah 46: 9-10.

Yes. Isa 46:8-13 says, "Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors. Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: Calling a ravenous bird from the east, the man that executeth my counsel from a far country: yea, I have spoken it, I will also bring it to pass; I have purposed it, I will also do it. Hearken unto me, ye stouthearted, that are far from righteousness: I bring near my righteousness; it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Josephus's Eclipse Date?

I've been on a two week trip and having just received your reply/comments, I continue the discussion on a possible alternative date for the date of the lunar eclipse of Josphus and the death of Herod.

Re: On Jesus' birthday, Tishri 1 and the Moon at Her Feet come together.

My reply

> > I agree the Moon's position (below the feet) was better on Sep 4th even though the Moon was then in Libra and not Virgo; but, the fact remains that it would still have been Tishri 2 on the evening of Sep 4th.

DETERMINING THE DAY OF JESUS' BIRTH

We have four main guides, the Bible, Josephus, Calendar Converter programs and Astronomy Programs.

(1) JOSEPHUS

He placed Herod's death between Esther's Fast and Passover/Unleavened Bread in 4 BC.

Marilyn,
**** Please provide the passages in Josephus's writings where HE uses the term "Fast of Esther" or "Esther's Fast" to the "Passover/Unleavended Bread" in 4 BC. I don't see it there, what I see is YOUR interpretation of what YOU think he might have been referring to. The exact words from Ant. XVII. VI. 4 are as follows:

JOSEPHUS'S WORDS
"4. But the people, on account of Herod's barbarous temper, and for fear he should be so cruel and to inflict punishment on them, said what was done was done without their approbation, and that it seemed to them that the actors might well be punished for what they had done. But as for Herod, he dealt more mildly with others [of the assembly] but he deprived Matthias of the high priesthood, as in part an occasion of this action, and made Joazar, who was Matthias's wife's brother, high priest in his stead. Now it happened, that during the time of the high priesthood of this Matthias, there was another person made high priest for a single day, that very day which the Jews observed as a fast. The occasion was this: This Matthias the high priest, on the night before that day when the fast was to be celebrated, seemed, in a dream, to have conversation with his wife; and because he could not officiate himself on that account, Joseph, the son of Ellemus, his kinsman, assisted him in that sacred office. But Herod deprived this Matthias of the high priesthood, and burnt the other Matthias, who had raised the sedition, with his companions, alive. And that very night there was an eclipse of the moon. "

Now, a careful reading of HIS words "there was another person made high priest for a single day, that very day which the Jews observed as a fast. " points to a day known as a fast day which YOU then claim is the FAST OF ESTHER (March 13, 4BC). I think it is more likely the FAST OF TEBET (Jan 5-6 or 6-7, 1 BC depending on the accuracy of the calendar programs and the actual new crescent Moon sighting for the month of Tebet that year).

Next, Josephus's exact words were "But Herod deprived this Matthias of the high priesthood, and burnt the other Matthias, who had raised the sedition, with his companions, alive. And that very night there was an eclipse of the moon. ". Josephus does not give any exact timeline ("the next day" are YOUR words, not HIS) of how long there was between the two events, only that it seems obvious it was a short amount of time, i.e. perhaps a day or several days, HE does not say anything specific about it being Purim which would be an important point that one would think he would mentioned if it were the case. The only specific clue Josephus gives is that there was a Lunar Eclipse on the evening after the burning of the other Matthias. YOUR claim that it was Purim and the Lunar Eclipse of March 14th, 4 BC is speculation. I think (speculate) it is more likely that it was simply the Lunar Eclipse of January 9-10th, 1 BC which followed the FAST OF TEBET on the Friday night to Saturday morning, meaning the burning of "the other Matthias" would have occurred perhaps sometime during the Friday day of January 9th, 1 BC, with the eclipse occurring the Friday night after Full Moon rising thru early Saturday morning.

MARILYN'S WORDS

"In Ant. XVII. VI. 4, Josephus said of Herod, "he deprived Matthius of the high priesthood... and made Joazar...high priest in his stead. Now it happened, that during the time of the high priesthood of this Matthias, there was another person made high priest for a single day, THAT VERY DAY WHICH THE JEWS OBSERVE AS A FAST (i.e., THE FAST OF ESTHER, Adar 13, or Veadar 13 in leap years, Esther 4:14)...But (the next day, PURIM, Adar 14, or Veadar 14) Herod deprived this Matthias of the high priesthood, and burnt the other Matthias, who had raised the sedition (over the eagle placed at the temple), with his companions, alive. AND THAT VERY NIGHT THERE WAS AN ECLIPSE OF THE MOON.

That eclipse was on March 13, 4 BC. It was Veadar 14, PURIM, the day after Esther's fast on Veadar 13.
There is another eclipse that is close, March 2, 3 BC is Adar 15 (Shushan Purim).

Besides these two, no other eclipse is possible, because a fast day did not precede them. The eclipse of Jan. 9, 1 BC is Shevat 15 (MJA: this should be 14). It doesn't fit.

The eclipse of Jan 9, 1 BC (Shevat 14), picked by Ernest Martin, does not fit, because it does not follow Esther's Fast. The only eclipse that fits is the one on March 13, 4 BC. Jesus would have been born on the preceding Tishri 1, Sept 4, 5 BC. "

My reply

> > Since Josephus does not mention anything about it being the FAST OF ESTHER or PURIM, very prominent days on the Jewish calendar, YOUR interpretation is open to question and the dates of Ernest Martin's research and the FAST OF TEBET in Jan , 1 BC are a possible precise fit and allow more time for the subsequent funeral, etc. before Passover of 1 BC.

Below is a list of Jewish festivals. I put the fast days in blue. The fast of Tevet is on the 10th. Esther's fast is on Veadar 13 in leap years.
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Jewish Religious Festivals, Fast Days, and Memorial Days
http://www1.uni-hamburg.de/rz3a035/jew_fest.html

The main dates in the Jewish calendar, including those associated specifically with the State of Israel, are arranged in the following order:
Rosh ha-Shanah (Tishri, 1)
Fast of Gedaliah (Tishri, 3)
Yom Kippur (Tishri, 10)
Succot (Tishri, 15)
Hoshana Rabbah (Tishri, 22)
Shemini Atzeret (Tishri, 22)
Simhat Torah (Tishri, 23)
Hanukkah (Kislev, 25)
Asarah be-Tevet (Tevet, 10)
Tu bi-Shevat (Shevat, 15)
Fast of Esther (Adar, 13)
Purim (Adar, 14)
Passover (Nisan, 15)
Memorial Day for the Victims of the Hollocaust and its Heroes (Nisan, 27)
Remembrance Day for Fallen Soldiers (Iyyar, 4)
Israel Independence Day (Iyyar, 5)
Lag ba-Omer (Iyyar, 18)
Jerusalem Day (Iyyar, 28)
Shavuot (Sivan, 6)
Fast of Seventeenth Tammuz (Tammuz, 17)
Tishah be-Av (Av, 9)...

10th - Asarah be-Tevet. A day of fasting and mourning, marking the start of the siege of Jerusalem by the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar (588 BCE)...

15th - Tub-Shevat, the New Year for Trees...
Asarah be-Tevet (Tenth of Tevet) (Tevet, 10)
A fast day commemorating the commencement of the siege of Jerusalem that resulted in the destruction of the First Temple: "And in the ninth year of his reign, on the tenth day of the tenth month, Nebuchadnezzar moved against Jerusalem with his whole army. He besieged it, and they built towers against it all round" (II Kg. 25:1). The prophet Ezekiel was commanded to "record this date, this exact day" (Ezek. 24:2). Asarah be-Tevet is the fast mentioned in the Book of Zechariah as the "fast of the tenth month" (Zech. 8:19).... Tishah be-Av (The Ninth of Av) (av, 9) The fast day commemorating the destruction of both Temples, which occured on Tishah be-Av - the 9th of Av.
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> > Now, a careful reading of HIS words "there was another person made high priest for a single day, that very day which the Jews observed as a fast. " points to a day known as a fast day which YOU then claim is the FAST OF ESTHER (March 13, 4BC). I think it is more likely the FAST OF TEBET (Jan 5-6 or 6-7, 1 BC depending on the accuracy of the calendar programs and the actual new crescent Moon sighting for the month of Tebet that year).

As you know, a Lunar eclipse could only take place at Full Moon, i.e., on the 14th of the month. Purim is Adar 14, or in Leap Years, Veadar 14, a perfect time for an eclipse of the Moon. The fast of Asarah be-Tevet is on Tevet 10, not 14. Tevet 10 doesn't seem possible.

The fast of Asarah be-Tevet is on Tevet 10. The eclipse of Jan. 9, 1 BC was on the 14th of the following month of Shevat. That isn't even close.

In my list of eclipses from Fred Espenak's charts at NASA, I had "BC 1 Jan 09 - 3760 (Leap Year) Shevat 14".

To get the Hebrew equivalent, I went to fourmilab's Calendar Converter at: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/calendar/

In the Julian Calendar, I put -1 (= 1 BC), January 9, and clicked Calculate. Then I looked at the equivalent on the Hebrew Calendar. For January 9, 1 BC, it had Shevat 14, 3760. That is more than a month after the fast of Tevet 10. Tevet is the 10th month. Shevat is the 11th month.

According to the Calendar Converter, the eclipse of March 13, 4 BC was - Veadar 14, 3757 (PURIM). We know that the Calendar Converter is not perfect, but it is close. It could have been Veadar 13, Esther's Fast.

Let's read Josephus, Ant. XVII. VI. 4, again. My words are separated by parentheses and colored pink. Josephus said, "Now it happened, that during the time of the high priesthood of this Matthias, there was another person made high priest for a single day, that very day which the Jews observed as a fast (Veadar 13, Esther's Fast). The occasion was this: This Matthias the high priest, on the night before that day when the fast was to be celebrated, seemed, in a dream, to have conversation with his wife; and because he could not officiate himself on that account, Joseph, the son of Ellemus, his kinsman, assisted him in that sacred office (on Veadar 13, Esther's Fast). But Herod deprived this Matthias of the high priesthood, and burnt the other Matthias, who had raised the sedition, with his companions, alive. And that very night there was an eclipse of the moon (March 13, 4 BC)."

Veadar 13 became Veadar 14 at 6 PM, so that very night was probably Veadar 14, 3757 (PURIM), as the Calendar Converter says. It is right some of the time, and close the rest of the time.

> > Since Josephus does not mention anything about it being the FAST OF ESTHER or PURIM, very prominent days on the Jewish calendar, YOUR interpretation is open to question and the dates of Ernest Martin's research and the FAST OF TEBET in Jan, 1 BC are a possible precise fit and allow more time for the subsequent funeral, etc. before Passover of 1 BC.

We don't need more time. The Feast of Passover was a month after the eclipse. There was time to get the necessary things done. Herod had already planned his own funeral ceremonies. In spite of what Ernest Martin said about mourning for 30 days, Archelaus only mourned 7 days. He left for Rome right after Passover.

On page 127 in "The Star that Astonished the World," Ernest Martin said, "Indeed, since Herod planned his own funeral ceremonies and since the Jews were accustomed to a thirty day mourning time called a Sheloshim, Herod simply ordered that the procession to Jerusalem (for a brief lying in state) and then to the Herodian for burial would occupy the whole of that REQUIRED THIRTY DAY MOURNING PERIOD."

However, Josephus, Ant. XVII. VIII. 3,4 says, "and thus did Herod end his life. Now Archelaus paid him so much respect, as to CONTINUE HIS MOURNING TILL THE SEVENTH DAY; for so many days are appointed for it by the law of our fathers; and when he had given a treat to the multitude, and LEFT OFF HIS MOURNING."

In Josephus' Wars II. II. 5, Antipater said, "that his (Archelaus') mourning for his father was only pretended, while he put on a sad countenance in the daytime, but drank to great excess in the night".

Josephus, Ant. XVII. IX. 1-4 says that the people wanted Archelaus to "deprive that high priest whom Herod had made, and would choose one more agreeable to the law, and of greater purity, to officiate as high priest. This was granted by Archelaus, although he was mightily offended at their importunity, BECAUSE HE PROPOSED TO HIMSELF TO GO TO ROME IMMEDIATELY, to look after Caesar's determination about him....Now, upon THE APPROACH OF THAT FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, which the law of their fathers had appointed for the Jews at this time, WHICH FEAST IS CALLED THE PASSOVER...he sent out the whole army upon them, which horsemen slew three thousand men, while the rest went to the neighbouring mountains, Then did Archelaus order proclamation to be made to them all, that they should retire to their own homes; so they went away, and LEFT THE FESTIVAL...after ARCHELAUS WAS SAILED FOR ROME...AT THE SAME TIME ALSO DID ANTIPAS, ANOTHER OF HEROD'S SONS, SAIL TO ROME".

Jewish Questions and Answers About Jesus

By Dr. Michael Brown
http://www.sidroth.org/questions_main4.htm

...Traditional Judaism as we know it today is the religion of those who rejected Yeshua. It is a decided reaction against faith in Him. It is a system which has been reconstructed to negate and counteract Messiah's real claims. That's why traditional Jews throughout the ages have stumbled over the person of Yeshua. But in the beginning it was not so.

The Jewish teachers before Yeshua emphasized the miraculous and believed in the power of God's testimony from heaven. But when the followers of Yeshua had all the healing cures, they said, "We don't depend on a miracle!"

Many of the Jews of Yeshua's day were looking for a deliverer who would come in the clouds of heaven. Yet when Yeshua came and said, "I will come again in the clouds of heaven," they said, "Not so! Our Messiah will be a teacher of the Law, a rabbi like ourselves!"

They had the prayers, they had the laws, they had the covenant tradition - how did our forefathers miss it? The answer again is simple. They truly had a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge (Romans 10:2). They did not attain what they sought after, for they stumbled over the grace of God.

Messiah had come to make them well, yet they said in reply, "We're not sick!"

But not all of our forefathers missed it. The writer of almost half of the New Covenant was himself a Pharisee, born of the tribe of Benjamin. And the Book of Acts records "how many myriads of Jews" there were who believed and were zealous for the Torah (Acts 21:20). In fact, a great many of the [Jewish] priests were obedient to the faith" (Acts 6:7), and even today in our country and throughout the world, there are tens of thousands of Jews who believe and confess, "Yeshua is the Messiah! Yeshua is Lord!"

This, then, is the real Judaism, the Judaism that is truly Messianic. And this is the faith that Will bring the world back to God, the faith that will cause the nations to believe. And Yeshua is the One who will establish justice in the earth, "and the coastlands shall [and do!] wait for His law!" (Isaiah 42:4).

The Talmud teaches that for the last forty years before the Temple was destroyed, God did not accept the sacrifices of the Day of Atonement (Babylonian Talmud, Yoma 39). Year after year, for the life of one whole generation, the LORD was saying, "No."

You see, God had provided one sacrifice for all, a final atonement for the sins of mankind. God had provided the Lamb. And it was forty years before the Temple was destroyed that Yeshua offered His life. From that day to this, God has been saying "no" to His people "No more of your sacrifices, no more of your prayers, no more of your works. I have provided the way."

Yet to all who have ears to hear, God has been saying: "Yes, you may come! Yes, you can know Me! Yes, I will cleanse you from all your sin! Believe in the One that I have sent. Messiah Yeshua has come."

The spiritual leaders of our people who tell us that we cannot know God are wrong. They are only saying, "I don't know Him, so how can you? I've studied for years and I'm still learning. How can you be so sure?"

Once again, our answer is simple and clear. Messiah Yeshua has made God known. He has revealed the Father to us. And through His blood we have been brought back to God.

Tradition will not save us.
Opinions will not set us free.
Messiah has ransomed our souls from the pit.
Let all His Jewish people come!

Incoming email, Re: Equal vs Sweet and Low

Glad to hear that you stopped using Equal!! But Sweet & Low isn't too good either. I suggest trying a product called Splenda. It is a 0 calorie sweetener made from sugar. We discovered it doing the Atkins diet (which is a low carb diet). We no longer do the diet, but we kept the Splenda! It doesn't have any chemical taste at all. You can cook with it too. The Lord Bless you.

My reply

Thanks for the tip. We also use Splenda. I'm delighted that you can cook with it. Ed's Cardiac Rehab nurses started us on it. I just didn't think to mention it. We also use Atkins bars sweetened with it.

Splenda has chlorine, but so does city water. Maybe using both Splenda and Sweet and Low will keep us from getting too much of either. Agape

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