Pro and Con 1281

Posted 3-18-06

Saturn's Northern Lights Can Go Backwards

http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/saturn_backward_electrons.html

Image credit: University of Cologne

Mon, 06 Mar 2006 - Auroras on Earth happen when the solar wind interacts with our planet's magnetic field; electrons are accelerated downwards into the atmosphere, and we see the pretty lights in the sky. On Saturn; however, this process also goes in reverse. Most electrons are accelerated down, but others go in the opposite direction, away from the planet....

NASA'S Cassini Discovers Potential Liquid Water on Enceladus

3-9-06 - NASA's Cassini spacecraft may have found evidence of liquid water reservoirs that erupt in Yellowstone-like geysers on Saturn's moon Enceladus. The rare occurrence of liquid water so near the surface raises many new questions about the mysterious moon....

High-resolution Cassini images show icy jets and towering plumes ejecting huge quantities of particles at high speed....

Big new reservoir of water ice suspected under Mars

Maggie McKee, 16 March 06 http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn8857-big-new-reservoir-of-water-ice-suspected-under-mars.html

...The antenna was deployed in June 2005 and quickly detected what appeared to be water ice stretching 1.8 kilometres below the surface of the northern polar ice cap. Now, it has found what looks like water ice extending as deep as 3.5 kilometres below the southern polar cap. Global matrix Water ice was expected in the polar caps, since they represent the largest known reservoirs of water on Mars. Estimates suggest that if they melted, they would cover the planet in a layer of water up to 33 metres deep. But as it scanned the region around the south pole, MARSIS also turned up an unexpected ice source. It lies near the southern polar cap and is underneath a region of Martian surface that shows no visible signs of ice. The radar signals reveal what appear to be relatively thin layers of underground water ice – layers that may contain water of a equivalent to half of that locked up in the entire southern polar cap....

Ancient Cypriots fed olive oil to furnaces

By Michele Kambas, Mar 8, 06
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060309/sc_nm/cyprus_olives_dc;_ylt=Ao4pFblsCb0TDmey5qqp25qs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MzV0MTdmBHNlYwM3NTM-

PYRGOS, Cyprus (Reuters) - It is praised for its culinary and health properties by any cook worth his salt, but long before olive oil made it into the Mediterranean diet Cypriots used it as fuel to melt copper, archaeologists say.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Acension Day 2006

Yes, I did mean that Noah died in the 2006th year of creation....

Also, Iyar 26, May 24th, becomes Iyar 27th about 6:PM in Israel, which is about 10:AM CST, Then midnight is about 3:41 p.m, Central Standard Time, Iyar 27. They are about 8 hours ahead of us.

My reply

I'm just so glad you brought it out that Noah died in 2006 AH. I didn't need to add up your figures. I knew Noah died 2 years before Abram was born in 2008 AH. I pulled out my Bible Chronology, and sure enough, I had penciled in that Noah died in 2006 AH (1056 + 950 = 2006).

I keep thinking about Ascension Day being Iyar 26, and the Sign of the End of the Age (the Six-Day War) starting on Iyar 26 (June 5, 1967). Israel took the temple area June 7, 1967. I wonder if the sight of people going up in the Rapture will shake up Israel enough to get them to seize control of the temple area on Iyar 28? That way, they could build an altar, start sacrificing right away, and start building the temple.

The temple will be there Mid-Trib, for the False Prophet will sit there "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: 2006th Year of Creation

...did you know that at least 102 people saw Elijah go up, and knew ahead of time? Thanks

My reply

I didn't realize it was 102. I can only account for 51. Elisha was with Elijah when he was caught up in a whirlwind (II Kings 2:11). Also, verse 7 says, "And fifty men of the sons of the prophets went, and stood TO VIEW AFAR OFF: and they two stood by Jordan." Agape

'The Identity of the Jewish Messiah Revealed.'

By Sam Shamoun
http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/messiah/messiah.htm

...In the Targum of Isaiah we read: "His name has been called from old, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, He who lives forever, the Anointed One (Messiah), in whose days peace shall increase upon us."

Pereq Shalom: R. Yose the Galilean said: "The name of the Messiah is Peace, for it is said, "Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Midrash Mishle, S. Buber edition: The Messiah is called by eight names: Yinnon, Tzemah, Pele ["Miracle"], Yo'etz ["Counselor"], Mashiah ["Messiah"], El ["God"], Gibbor ["Hero"], and Avi 'Ad Shalom ["Eternal Father of Peace"]...

divinity of the Messiah, certain Jewish Publications have translated it in a way as to suggest that the divine titles are not messianic in nature. Rather, they are descriptions of God: For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us, and the dominion will rest on his shoulder; the Wondrous Adviser, Mighty God, eternal Father, called his name Sar-shalom [Prince of peace]. (This appears as Isaiah 9:5 in the Stone Edition Tanakh, Arts Scroll Series, published by Mesorah Publications Ltd.; Brooklyn, NY, 1998)

The great rabbi Ibn Ezra responds: There are some interpreters who say that ‘wonderful, counselor, mighty God, everlasting Father’ are the names of God, and that only ‘prince of peace’ is the name of the child. But according to my view, the right interpretation is that they are all the names of the child. (Walter Riggans, Yeshua Ben David [Wowborough, East Sussex; MARC, 1995], p. 370)...

Jeremiah 23:5-6 'The days are coming,' declares the Lord, 'When I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a king who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. In His days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which He will be called; The Lord our Righteousness (YHVH Tseidkeynu).'...

The Targums concluded that this passage was speaking of Messiah.

For instance, the great Rabbi David Kimchi wrote in reference to this verse, 'By the righteous Branch is meant Messiah.' The compilers of the Targum agreed with Kimchi since they introduced Messiah by name in this passage. (David Baron, Rays of Messiah’s Glory: Christ in the Old Testament [Grand Rapids, MI; Zondervan, 1886], p. 78)

Hebrew scholar Alfred Edersheim quotes other Rabbinic writings in reference to this passage: On Jer. xxiii, 5, 6 the Targum has it: ‘And I will raise up for David the Messiah the just.’ This is one of the passages from which, according to Rabbinic views, one of the names of the Messiah is derived, viz.: Jehovah our Righteousness. So in the Talmud (Babha Bathra 75b), in the Midrash on Ps. xxii.1, Prov.xix.21, and in that on Lamentations I 16. (Edersheim, Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah [Grand Rapids, MI; Eerdmans, 1972], pt. 2, p. 731).

Hence, we find the Hebrew Scriptures testifying to the fact that Messiah would be the Lord Himself. (Hebrew YHVH / Adonai)...

“Since Christians interpret Isaiah 53 as being a prophecy concerning Jesus, we maintain that this is a prophecy concerning the people of Israel.” (Steve Schwarz, “Dear Rabbi,” p.15)

Rabbi Moishe Alshekh, famous rabbinic scholar who lived in 16th century Sfat states: "Our Rabbis with one voice, accept and affirm the opinion that the Prophet (Isaiah) is speaking of King Messiah."

Furthermore, Rabbi R. Elyyah de Vidas sights, “The meaning of ‘he was wounded for our transgressions, ... bruised for our iniquities’ is, that since the Messiah bears our iniquities, which produce the effect of His being bruised, it follows that whoever will not admit that the Messiah suffers for our iniquities must endure and suffer for themselves.”

Ninth century poet, Eliazer Hakalir, paraphrases Isaiah 53 in a prayer that comprises a part of some Jewish sects’ traditional liturgical prayers recited on Yom Kippur (the Jewish Day of Atonement). The prayer begins: “We are shrunk up in our misery even until now! Our Rock hath not come nigh to us; Messiah our righteousness, hath turned from us; we are in terror, and there is none to justify us! Our iniquities and the yoke of our transgressions He will bear, for He was wounded for our transgressions; He will carry our sins upon His shoulder, that we may find forgiveness for our iniquities; and by his strips we are healed ...” (Baron, Rays of Messiah’s Glory, pp. 225-230)

Midrash Tanhuma and Yalkut, vol. 2, par. 338 on Isaiah 52:13 states that the expressions "exalted, and extolled and be very high" indicates that, “Messiah shall be more exalted than Abraham... more extolled than Moses... and be very high; that is higher than the ministering angels...”

This again demonstrates that Isaiah 52:13-53:12 was viewed by rabbis as a messianic prophecy.

Also: “… the weight of Jewish authority preponderates in favor of the Messianic interpretation of this chapter… that until recent times this prophecy has been almost universally received by Jews as referring to Messiah is evident from Targum Jonathan who introduces Messiah by name in chp. LII.13; from the Talmud (Sanhedrin vol. 98b); and from the Zohar... In fact, until Rabbi Rashi [Rabbi Solomon Izaak (1040-1105)], considered the originator of the modern school of Jewish interpretation], who applied it to the Jewish nation, the Messianic interpretation of this chapter was almost universally adopted by Jews..." (Baron, Rays of Messiahs Glory, pp. 225-229)...

“Our Rabbis taught that throughout the forty years that Shim’on the Tzaddik served ... the scarlet cloth would become white. From then on it would sometimes become white and sometimes not ... Throughout the last forty years, before the Temple was destroyed ... the scarlet cloth never turned white.” (Yoma 39a-39b)

Is it then a mere coincidence that approximately forty years prior to the Temple’s destruction, Yeshua the Messiah offered himself as the final and perfect sacrifice, making void all other sacrifices offered up by the cohen ha-gadol (the high priest)? The Talmud alludes to the reason why God allowed the Temple to be destroyed:

“Why was the Second Sanctuary destroyed, seeing that in its time they occupied themselves with studying Torah, obeying mitzvot and practicing charity? Because in it prevailed hatred without a cause.” (Yoma 9b)...

Interesting information about the 40 years - 30 to 70 AD

The Fire and the Cloud, by Robert Reiland
http://philologos.org/guide/books/reiland.robert.htm

...Chapter 7 -— “Signs and Wonders” Always Important to Jewish People

The children of Israel are the only people with whom God actually appeared (as Shechinah) and who actually heard God speak (with a feminine voice -- a Bath Kol). Many other “signs” were given by a patient, loving Father to a disobedient and faithless nation. A significant and fearful change in the way these signs appeared is detailed during a period the Rabbis sadly recall as “forty years before the Temple was destroyed.” Everybody knows that Jesus was crucified just as that forty year period of shame began. That would be what the World refers to as 30 A.D.——7O A.D. or 30 -- 70 C.E. Some of the most dramatic events in this book are revealed in this sequence of events preceding the withdrawal of Shechinah. During the 4th century B.C., several miracles manifested during worship in the Second Temple. Briefly, these were:

-- The lot piece selecting the Atonement goat always came up in the Priest’s right hand.

—— The westernmost of the seven candlesticks (Menorah) along the south wall of the Temple always outlasted the other six candles, even though all candles were filled to the same level with the oil and the western candle was lighted first, and the other six being lighted from it.

— The crimson strap tied under the Scapegoat’s throat always turned white as snow when the goat reached the wilderness as Israel’s sins were forgiven on the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur.

-- By the Law, only two logs could be placed on the Altar for each day’s sacrifices and those two always lasted for a full day of sacrifices. During certain rites, each priest received a morsel of the shewbread about the size of an olive. The priest ate it and always was satisfied as if he had enjoyed a full meal; sometimes even leaving a portion uneaten.

During the years after the 4th century, “sometimes” these miracles would show. And, when they did, a good omen was seen. Then came the period extending from The Crucifixion (30 A.D. until Titus’ destruction of the Temple (70 A.D.) During that time, which the Rabbis mournfully call “forty years before the Temple was destroyed”:

The lot piece never came up in the Priest’s right hand.
The westernmost candle never outlasted the other candles.
The crimson strap from the Scapegoat never turned white.
The logs for the Altar never burned for a full day.
The shewbread morsel never satisfied, seeming more “like a bean.”
At the end of that forty year period of lament (30 A.D. —— 70 A.D.) Israel´s Shechinah departed. Talmud shows that Jewish teachers of that time knew these “signs” signalled that disaster was approaching. (Some of them even knew WHY!)...

Incoming e-mail

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (and maybe appear to tell the gospel) 1 Thessalonians 4:14-16

My reply

I'm not too inclined to think the dead will arise ahead of us and preach to the living. Wouldn't that about do away with foolish virgins? In Mt. 25, the foolish virgins don't return with enough oil to go with the Bridegroom when he comes.

When some came out of their graves and appeared in Jerusalem after Jesus was resurrected was proof that he had the ability to bring them out of their graves. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: graves opening

It does seem like an amazing thing to consider. And I see what you are saying about the wise and foolish virgins. The grave openings were only mentioned one time. However, every time I read those two scriptures, phrase by phrase, it makes wonder. If God loved the lost enough to send there ancestors to "appear" to many. I wonder what they said. I picture David, Solomon, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Joseph. What do you suppose they said?

I have just wondered if it could happen again. Are there any other grave openings in the bible, besides Jesus tomb? And, we(and the dead in Christ) shall be like Him. He witnessed for 40 days before he ascended. It certainly would give me peace to think that lost family members could hear the salvation story first hand, especially those that resist and do not want to talk about it now. Thanks

My reply

> > I wonder what they said. I picture David, Solomon, Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Joseph. What do you suppose they said?

I don't know, but think about what Hebrews 11:13-16 says with that in mind. "These all (Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham and Sara) died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city."

Also, consider Heb. 11:39, 40. It says, "And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."

I take it that these are now in the heavenly city, but they have not yet been "changed" so as to actually be immortal. That won't happen until the last rank in the First Resurrection is in Heaven. Then all of us will be changed together (I Cor. 15:51-53).

I imagine that they told their descendants in Jerusalem of their resurrection and that they were on their way to the heavenly city of God. Surely, they would have been giving all the glory to the Lord Jesus Christ, so the people would know that he truly was the Saviour of all mankind.

On Pentecost, 3000 were saved (Acts 2:41). Many of those could have been the ones in Jerusalem that talked to the resurrected saints on Resurrection Day. By the end of Acts 2, verse 41 says, "And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." Thus, the Christian church got off to a good start. Those believers were absolutely sure who Jesus was and that the promises would all come true as stated.

> > Are there any other grave openings in the bible, besides Jesus tomb?

II Kings 13:21 is interesting. It says, "it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet."

Thinking about family members left behind, I expect the Rapture itself to bring in many of those sheaves, just as the opening of the graves did in 30 AD. Think of what a testimony that will be. Many will see the Rapture happening and trust in the Lord.

In Psalm 40:1-3, David said, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up (i.e., raptured David) also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (as Jeremiah was lifted out of the miry pit in the Earth), and set my feet upon a rock (the planet Heaven), and established my goings (plural, i.e., his resurrection and ascension). And he hath put a NEW SONG (sung by the Bride in Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." Agape

Why Did Israel Reject Jesus as Their Messiah?

by Grant R. Jeffrey

...The commentaries in the Talmud, written before the onset of Christianity, clearly discuss the Messianic prophecies of Isaiah 53 and Psalm 22 and puzzle over how these would be fulfilled with the glorious setting up of the Kingdom of the Messiah. After the Church used theses prophecies to prove the claims of Christ, the Jews took the position that the prophecies did not refer to the Messiah, but to Israel or some other person....

The Two Messiahs of Jewish Belief

The Jews are still looking for their Messiah to come. Although the Church has always taught that the Messiah would come twice, Jewish teachers have rejected the idea. However, recent Jewish commentaries of the Talmud proclaim two future Messiahs. One, they suggest, will appear before the War of Gog and Magog (the coming Russian-Arab invasion of Israel). He will lead the forces of Israel to victory, as described in Ezekiel 38-39. He is called Moshiach Ben Joseph --Messiah the son of Joseph. They claim he will be killed in the battle with Russia, thus fulfilling the suffering Messiah prophecies. Then, they suggest that the second Messiah, Moshiach Ben David --Messiah the son of David, will come forth. He will lead Israel into the promised Kingdom and the "age of redemption." This interesting interpretation is their way of dealing with the undeniable and difficult fact that the Scriptures do prophecy two separate comings of the Messiah: one to persecution and death, the second to glorious victory over the enemies of God and Israel....

In Rambam's Mishneh Torah, a commentary of the first five books of the Bible, are some startling facts about the history and Messianic claims of Jesus Christ. This great Rabbi reveals his honest intellectual struggle to come to terms with apparent contradictions regarding the separate prophecies about the suffering Messiah and the glorified Messiah. The Mishneh Torah, composed of fourteen volumes, is the most authoritative Jewish commentary of their understanding of the Law of God as it related to Israel, the Messiah and the Temple. The final fourteenth volume, Hilchot Melachim U'Milchamoteihem (the Laws of Kings and Their Wives) is about the coming of the Messiah.

The Qualifications Of The Messiah

Rambam believed that the coming of the Messiah was the key to the restoration of the Temple, the fulfillment of the Torah and the coming of the Messianic age of redemption. "He [the Messiah] will build the Temple, gather the dispersed of Israel. Then, in his days, all the statutes will return to their previous state. We will offer sacrifices and observe the Sabbatical and Jubilee years, according to all their particulars mentioned by the Torah" (Halachah 1:11).

Compare the qualifications of the Messiah, which Rambam enumerated from his study of the Old Testament prophets, with the history of Jesus Christ. "If a king will arise from the house of David who is learned in Torah and observant of the mitzvot (commandments), as prescribed by the written law and the oral law, as David, his ancestor was, and will compel all of Israel to walk in [their light] and reinforce the breaches; and fight the wars of God, we may, with assurance, consider Him the Messiah. If he succeeds in the above, builds the Temple in its place, and gathers the dispersed of Israel, he is definitely the Messiah. He will then improve the entire world [motivating] all the nations to serve God together as [Zephaniah 3:9] states: I will make the peoples pure of speech that they all will call upon the Name of God and serve Him with one purpose" (Halachah 11:4).

In this passage, Rambam has described in the first paragraph the first coming of the Messiah; in the second paragraph the second coming. Jesus fulfilled the prophecies as the Son of David and astonished His listeners as a teacher of the Torah Law. In His unfolding purpose to accomplish the salvation of all those who would believe in Him, Christ allowed Himself to be sacrificed on the cross after fulfilling this first group of prophecies. This ultimate sacrificial gift to mankind was anticipated by God's miraculous offering of the ram to replace Abraham's sacrifice of Isaac on Mount Moriah almost two thousand years earlier. When Christ returns as promised, He will completely fulfill the remaining prophecies. He will build the Millennial Temple as described in Ezekiel 40-48 and gather the dispersed of Israel into the Kingdom of heaven on Earth.

In one fascinating part of his commentary, Rambam deals with the puzzle about the historical Jesus, the problems associated with His partial fulfillment of the Messianic prophecies and the claims of Christianity. "If he [the Messiah] did not succeed to this degree or he was killed, he surely is not [the redeemer] promised by the Torah. [Rather] he should be considered as all the other proper and complete kings of the Davidic dynasty who died. God only caused him to arise in order to test the many, as [Daniel 11:35] states, and some of the wise men will stumble, to try them, to refine, and to clarify until the appointed time, because the set time is in the future" (Halachah 11:4).

This conclusion of Rambam that the death of Jesus proves that He was not the promised glorified Messiah has been repeated for hundreds of years. However, Rambam makes an astonishing admission: If the person legitimately fulfills part of the prophecies, but is killed before completing the restoration of the Temple, etc., he is to be considered as "all the other proper and complete kings of the Davidic dynasty who died," not as an imposter.

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