Pro and Con 1283

Posted 4-4-06

Saturn's Hyperion: A Moon with Odd Craters

Credit: Cassini Imaging Team, SSI, JPL, ESA, NASA

...Hyperion is about 250 kilometers across, rotates chaotically, and has a density so low that it might house a vast system of caverns inside....

Hyperion, Saturn IV

http://www.solarviews.com/eng/hyperion.htm

...The Cassini spacecraft flew by Hyperion at a distance of only 500 kilometers (310 miles). Hyperion is 266 kilometers (165 miles) across, has an irregular shape, and spins in a chaotic rotation. Much of its interior is empty space, explaining why scientists call Hyperion a rubble-pile moon.

Hyperion, Chaotic Moon

http://www.planetary.org/explore/topics/our_solar_system/saturn/hyperion.html

...Hyperion is the largest highly irregularly shaped body in the solar system. Hyperion's self-gravity is not enough to crush its materials together and eliminate gaps in its interior. Its strange, spongy texture, its dark-floored craters, and its landslide morphology are very difficult to explain....

See pictures of several irregularly shaped Moons of Saturn at this web site

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/planets/saturn/saturnmoons.shtml

Here is Hyperion as it used to look, very different from today.

Inside Saturn

http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/planets/saturn/saturninside.shtml

..Saturn radiates 79% more energy than it receives from the Sun, probably heat from its hot core....

Found on 5 Doves site

Bob Ware (20 March 2006)
"Ascension Day (5/25/2006) is the 234th day of 5766"...

Vincent Tan was given the token of $2.34 by the Angel on 12/23/1993.

The 234th day in office for President George Walker Bush was 9/11/2001.

The 234th day of the current Jewish year 5766 will be Ascension Day (5/25/2006). 234 + 5766 = 6000 > the completion of the 6000 years since Adam was created?

My comment

I hope the Rapture will be on Ascension Day. However, Pentecost is also a possibility.

Rabbi calls for 'UN of religions'

By Danny Wood
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4800194.stm

The Chief Rabbi of Israel, Yona Metzger, has called for the creation of a world body with representatives from the major religious groups. Rabbi Metzger was addressing the International Congress of Imams and Rabbis for Peace in Seville, Spain.

He called for the formation of a "United Nations of religious groups"....

Imams and rabbis form summit on issues surrounding Temple Mount

By Shlomo Shamir
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/697036.html

SEVILLE, Spain - The first attempt of its kind to prevent crises over the Temple Mount took center stage yesterday at the Second World Congress of Imams and Rabbis for Peace, which ends today. A panel discussion on holy sites discussed a proposal to establish a permanent committee comprising an equal number of Jewish and Muslim clerics to discuss issues affecting the Temple Mount in Jerusalem....

Incoming email, Re: promised land scenario

According to Numbers 14:28-35

Those under the age of 20 wandered in the wilderness for forty years and then entered into the promised land. Those aged 20 and older of the unfaithful generation died off during the 40 year period. Only the faithful generation those under 60 years of age and two others, entered the promised land. This could mean an unfaithful generation is only 40 years minimum to 60 years maximum. Concerning the 1948 to 2008 period. Is it possible the faithful generation will be the 144,000 and the two others who entered the promised land be the two witnesses. Could this fit into any scenarios? Rapture mid 2006. After the rapture the two witnesses show up and 2 1/2 years later the 144,000 show up?

My reply

Regardless of age, the Israelites wandered in the desert just 40 years while the older generation died off. I can see 48 years for a generation too (Mt. 1:17), but have a hard time seeing 60 years as one generation. People now do not dare wait until they are 60 to produce another generation. That can't be the norm. Most could not reproduce at 60. Under 40, or even under 48, makes more sense.

> > Is it possible the faithful generation will be the 144,000 and the two others who entered the promised land be the two witnesses.

Those two were Joshua and Caleb (meaning dog). Joshua represented Christ. Caleb was faithful. In the desert, he followed Joshua wherever he might go.

This is depicted in the Gospel in the Sky. Orion represents Christ, who has two faithful dogs near him. One dog probably represents the saints of the Pre-Trib Rapture. The other dog probably represents the saints of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The 144,000 Israelites are part of the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

> > Could this fit into any scenarios? Rapture mid 2006. After the rapture the two witnesses show up and 2 1/2 years later the 144,000 show up?

I sure hope "Rapture mid 2006" fits. The two witnesses will come with Christ and stay behind 1260 days. Then they will be killed Mid-Trib. Three and a half days later, they will be resurrected and ascend to Heaven.

By the second Rapture, the 144,000 Israelites will be complete. At the end of the shortened Tribulation, they will be added to the Bride-of-Christ group for they are "virgins" without fault before the throne of God (Rev. 14:4,5).

It's possible that the second half of the Tribulation could be shortened to 2 1/2 years. That would make the shortened Tribulation 6 years long (2006 + 6 = 2012). That's the end of the Mayan Calendar. It makes me wonder if Satan knew all along how much time he had. Why else would he end that calendar in 2012? Agape

Incoming e-mail

The "foolish virgins" possibility. Just wondering? Thanks for sorting through.

And the Days of Lot

And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Luke 17: 22-29

And Lot went out, and spake unto his sons in law, which married his daughters, and said, Up, get you out of this place; for the LORD will destroy this city. But he seemed as one that mocked unto his sons in law. And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city. And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the LORD being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city. Genesis 19: 14-16

And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed. And Lot said unto them, Oh, not so, my LORD: Behold now, thy servant hath found grace in thy sight, and thou hast magnified thy mercy, which thou hast shewed unto me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me, and I die: Behold now, this city is near to flee unto, and it is a little one: Oh, let me escape thither, (is it not a little one?) and my soul shall live. And he said unto him, See, I have accepted thee concerning this thing also, that I will not overthrow this city, for the which thou hast spoken. Haste thee, escape thither; for I cannot do anything till thou be come thither. Therefore the name of the city was called Zoar. The sun was risen upon the earth when Lot entered into Zoar. Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground. But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt. And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters. Genesis 19: 17-26, 30

Why was Lot so fearful? He was a righteous man, bothered by the sin surrounding him, but not bothered enough to leave or do anything about it. Could this represent the foolish virgins, as well as the Second Coming? Lot had a form of righteousness, but must not have been sharing it with others. Instead, he blended in with the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, and was reluctant to leave. He was afraid to go out of the city, to the mountain. The two angels had to get them by the hand and take them out, because he was lingering, even when he was told to hasten. Then he was afraid to stay in the little city, and went out to the mountain, where God told him to go, in the first place.

My reply

> > Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. Luke 17: 22-29

As in the days of Noah refers to the Pre-Trib Rapture. No fire and brimstone fell, just rain.

As in the days of Lot refers to the Pre-Wrath Rapture, which happens during the night or morning, before the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 hit Earth at noon on the Day of God's Wrath (Zeph 2:3-5).

Mark 13:33-37 says, "Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning (then afternoon does not seem to be a possibility): Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch."

I wonder if the Rapture starts in the evening and takes until the morning to finish.

> > Why was Lot so fearful? He was a righteous man, bothered by the sin surrounding him, but not bothered enough to leave or do anything about it. Could this represent the foolish virgins, as well as the Second Coming?

The foolish virgins will be caught up in the second Rapture, so Lot's example applies to them. However, it does not apply to the Second Advent, which will follow 7 months later. Israel will bury the dead 7 months to cleanse the land for the Lord's glorious return (Eze. 39:12,13). At the Second Advent, Jesus will come as the latter rain on Nisan 1, the first day of the Hebrew Regnal and Sacred Year, Regnal because he is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords.

Rev. 11:15 is talking about Tishri 1, when Jesus receives his millennial kingdom, but verses 17 and 18 show that the Second Advent will be after that.

They say, "We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (on Tishri 1, the Day of God's Wrath), and wast (at the First Advent), and ART TO COME (at the Nisan-1-still-future Second Advent); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned (on Tishri 1). And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come (on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ on Tishri 1), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them (on Tishri 1) which destroy the earth."

> > He (Lot) was afraid to go out of the city, to the mountain. The two angels had to get them by the hand and take them out, because he was lingering, even when he was told to hasten. Then he was afraid to stay in the little city, and went out to the mountain, where God told him to go, in the first place.

The mountain represented Heaven. Notice that angels gathered Lot, his wife and 2 daughters. Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall HE SEND HIS ANGELS, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of heaven" (where the Pre-Trib saints are located). Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: AH, BC, AD?

You said, "Since Noah's days on Earth ended in 2006 AH, maybe our days on Earth will end with the Rapture in 2006 AD." I am experiencing memory failure. Can you again tell me what "AH" means. Also, is 'AH' the same as B.C.? I am being questioned on this and I am at a loss in giving a proper explanation. Agape'

My reply

AH is short for Anno Hominis. AH years are the years of man, starting with the creation of Adam. I think the Hebrew 5758 (1997/1998) was the year 6000 AH.

AH years are not the same as BC years, which are counted backwards from 1 AD. To convert AH years to BC years, subtract from 4043.

Abraham was born in 2008 AH (2035 BC) (4043 - 2008 = 2035). Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Wedding garment?

Hello Teacher, I haven't written to you in awhile, but I check your web site all the time, with almost a daily check. On your front page you wrote: 'Rev. 1:13-16 is how Jesus will look to us when we get to Heaven after the Rapture. It says, "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."

Today when a groom marries, he puts on a tux, gets a hair cut, rents new shoes etc. In the military, they where the formal dress, with medals, etc. adorning the chest. I am wondering if this "golden girdle" is a sort of formal dress and all the other descriptions are our Lord's formal wedding garment? I remember reading that you said John was taken to heaven just before the wedding of the Lamb. Did John see Jesus' wedding garment and how he looked for His wedding? Just a thought. Take care, ybiC

My reply

The way Jesus is dressed in Rev. 1 is at the Pre-Trib Rapture. The wedding is later on. It's on the same day as the Pre-Wrath Rapture. That's the Day of the Lord that begins Christ's millennial kingdom. It is Jesus' Coronation Day. It is also the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Day of God's Wrath. There is no other day like it--ever.

I read somewhere that the golden girdle was the symbol of a king. I also made a note in my Bible that Jesus was attired as a King/Priest, so I ran across that somewhere.

At the wedding, the Bride is dressed in white, but Rev. 19:7,8 doesn't tell us how Jesus will be dressed. The Tribulation saints will be dressed in white for Rev. 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Seven months later (Eze. 39:12,13), at the Second Advent in Rev. 19:13, Jesus will be "clothed with a vesture dipped in blood". In verse 14, the saints with him are "clothed in fine linen, white and clean."

Since white is a symbol of righteousness, my guess is that Jesus will be wearing white. Blood stains would show up on a white garment more than if the garment was another color. The symbolism would be that a righteous person took upon himself the sins of the world. He died in our stead. 2Co 5:21 says, "For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: jewish end-times feast: sukkot

I thought this article was very interesting. In jewish geula-forums i've encountered the concept of two messiahs (though coming at the same time) before, but first time i get a proper explanation of it.

I do not know what is the original webpage for this. Very interesting for me was the part about needing to dwell inside the skin of Leviathan. Thats something i have no idea what it could mean or what it is for. From: Finland
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Judaism's 'Left Behind' Holiday, By David Klinghoffer...

Most Jews don't realize that Sukkot, the harvest-time festival, is actually Judaism's yearly encounter with the End of Days.

My reply

> > The festival concludes with another esoteric liturgical reference to the Apocalypse. At the end of the week of Sukkot we take leave of the sukkah, having eaten in it for the last time this year, and ask God for a blessing: "as I have fulfilled [the commandment] and dwelled in this sukkah, so may I merit in the coming year to dwell in the Sukkah of the skin of Leviathan."

> > The allusion is to an image given in the Talmud's tractate Baba Batra (74b), offering in mystic allegory a description of the reward of the righteous at the climax of history. When the end-time cataclysm has been concluded, those whom God wishes to reward will dwell in a sukkah constructed from the skin of a monstrous sea creature, the Leviathan. Additionally, they will feast on the creature's flesh.

The article you cited is found at: http://www.beliefnet.com/story/133/story_13376_1.html

To me, Leviathan stands for Satan. I don't know how the Jews started prayihg about dwelling in the tent of the skin of Leviathan, but it is said that "the essence of this farewell prayer is the hope that the messiah will come within the next year."

Wikipedia has an article on Leviathan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan. It gives the Bible verses where Leviathan appears. That saves time looking them up.

The following gives a better explanation of "...so may I merit in the coming year to dwell in the Sukkah of the skin of Leviathan."
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Leaving the Sukkah (Without Creating an Uproar)

(Explanation of the Leviathan based on ArtScroll Commentary in their Machzor (1) for Sukkot) http://www.ou.org/chagim/shmini-simchat/solong.htm


There is a widely, if not universally, accepted custom to eat cake or fruit, and have a drink (alcoholic or non-alcoholic) in the Sukkah on the afternoon of Shmini Atzeret. After this is done, usually in a party-like setting, we say goodbye to the Sukkah for the current year by reciting the following prayer:

"May it be Your will, Hashem, our G-d and the G-d of our forefathers, that just as I have fulfilled the mitzvah and dwelled in this Sukkah, so may I merit in the coming year to dwell in the Sukkah of the skin of the Leviathan(2)."...

The Leviathan, according to the Midrash, is a giant fish, created by G-d on the fifth day of Creation; it rules over all the creatures of the sea. Originally, two were created, a male and a female, as with all other species. However, G-d saw that if these two fish were allowed to mate and multiply, they would destroy the entire world by dint of their great strength and numbers, for the Leviathan is so enormous that all the water that flows from the Jordan river is not enough to quench its thirst. (Bava Basra 74b) G-d, therefore, killed the female and preserved it in brine, to be eaten by the righteous in the Time to Come. Another huge beast whose flesh will be served to the righteous in the World to Come is the Behemoth, created on the sixth day of the Creation of the world. The Behemoth is a gigantic ox, and, like the Leviathan, possesses enormous strength. It, too, was created male and female, and, like the Leviathan, had to be prevented from multiplying, lest the world be destroyed. G-d therefore neutered the male and eliminated the female's desire to propagate. (Bava Basra 74b)

When the Messiah comes, ?, G-d will signal to the Leviathan and the Behemoth to fight one another. The result will be that the Leviathan will slaughter the Behemoth with a cut from his very sharp fins. Simultaneously, the Behemoth will kill the Leviathan with a blow from its horns. (Leviticus Rabbah 13:3)

From the beautiful skin of the Leviathan, G-d will construct canopies to shelter the righteous from the sun. (Bava Basra 75a) These canopies are referred to in our prayer as the Succah of the skin of Leviathan. Under these canopies, they will eat the meat of the Leviathan and the Behemoth, amid great joy and merriment (ibid. 74b).

It is not clear that the Midrash presented above should be taken literally, as many teachings of the Midrash should not, but rather they should be understood, if they can be understood, on a deeper, perhaps Kabbalistic, level.
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Sukkot Blessings, by Tracey R. Rich
http://www.jewfaq.org/prayer/sukkot.htm

...Some explanation of this unusual blessing is in order: The Talmud teaches that when the messiah comes, the righteous will come to Jerusalem and the Leviathan (a giant sea creature created on the fifth day) will be slain. Its skin will be used to make the walls of a giant sukkah, and the righteous will dine on the flesh of the Leviathan in that sukkah. Thus, the essence of this farewell prayer is the hope that the messiah will come within the next year.

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