Pro and Con 1287

Posted 5-9-06

APOD: "Saturn in Blue and Gold"

Credit: Cassini Imaging Team, SSI, JPL, ESA, NASA

The thin line is the plane of the rings. To the left, the ring shadows are seen. Enceladus, Saturn's fountain moon, is only about 500 kilometers across. In the picture, it is seen as the knot in the string that actually is the plane of the rings. The explanation ends up with, "It is also not known why Saturn's clouds are colored gold."

God knows. Rev 21:21 gives us a glimpse of New Jerusalem. It says, "the street of the city was PURE GOLD, AS IT WERE TRANSPARENT GLASS." I think we will see those golden streets soon. I wonder if it means metallic gold or that Saturn's golden clouds are reflected in transparent ice.

Look at Saturn's Moon Enceladus. Is this one of God's ringmakers or not?

"Fountains Discovered on Saturn's Enceladus

Credit: Cassini Imaging Team, SSI, JPL, ESA, NASA

"Explanation: Fountains of ice shoot out from Saturn's moon Enceladus....the above frame shows several plumes emanating from regions previously known to contain gashes in the surface dubbed tiger stripes....Some of these ice particles likely contribute to the make up of Saturn's mysterious E ring."

Encore For Enceladus! Saturn Moon Ripe For Astrobiology Exploration

By Leonard David, 03 April 2006

"BOULDER, Colorado—The discovery of APPARENT LIQUID WATER RESERVOIRS ERUPTING in Yellowstone-like geysers on Saturn’s moon Enceladus has produced a gusher of questions.

One leading unknown to solve: Could liquid water residing within a body so small and so cold provide comfort-level conditions suitable for living organisms?

NASA announced last month that high-resolution Cassini images of Enceladus show icy jets and lofty plumes that expel large quantities of particles at high speed. Scientists think the jets spout from near-surface pockets of liquid water, super-cold versions of the Old Faithful geyser in Yellowstone....

Carolyn Porco explained that, in her mind, if the goal is to get up close and personal with extraterrestrial bodies of liquid water, then Enceladus appears to be at the moment the best place to go.


A dramatic warm spot...centered on the south pole of Saturn's icy moon Enceladus


Incoming email, Re: The Cross at the Center of the Universe

Enjoy Marilyn

My reply

Thanks. That's beautiful. Agape

Note: We seem to be getting more signs in the constellations. Luke 21:25,28 says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring...And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

Incoming e-mail, Re: a major sign

A storm is brewing half a billion miles away and in a rare event, astronomers get to watch it closely.

Jupiter is growing a new red spot and the Hubble Space Telescope is photographing the scene. Backyard astronomers have been following the action, too.

"Red Spot Jr." as it is being called, formed after three white oval-shaped storms, "two of which were at least 90 years old," merged between 1998 and 2000.

A similar merger took place centuries ago and formed the bigger and legendary Great Red Spot, a storm twice as big as Earth and almost 300 years old.

My reply

Thanks. I...found a picture of it.

It doesn't look as red as I expected, but the change from white to brown to brick red over the last half year shows something is happening. What is causing it is anyone's guess. Agape

My timing of the three days from the Crucifixion to the Resurrection, from Nisan 13 through 16, 3790 (April 6 through 9, 30 AD)

We must think in terms of Jewish days, not our days. If we think in terms of our days, we can skip one whole day in our thinking.

Thursday, Nisan 13, 30 AD

At 6 PM on Nisan 12, the 24 hours of the Preparation of the Passover began. Midnight was at 6 hours. Morning began at 12 hours (6 AM). Time of the morning sacrifice was at 15 hours (9 AM), when Jesus was crucified. Noon was at 18 hours, when the Sun started going down, and the sky became dark. Between the two evenings began at 3 PM. Jesus died about 3 PM. Jesus was buried before 6 PM.

Friday, Nisan 14

At 6 PM on Nisan 13, the 24 hours of Passover began. Midnight was at 6 hours. Morning began at 12 hours (6 AM). Noon was at 18 hours, the Sun started going down. Between the two evenings was 21 hours (3 PM).

Saturday, Nisan 15

At 6 PM on Nisan 14, the 24 hours of Firstfruits began. Midnight was at 6 hours, the death angel came to kill Egypt's firstborn. Morning began at 12 hours (6 AM). Noon was at 18 hours, the Sun started going down. Between the two evenings was 21 hours (3 PM).

Sunday, Nisan 16

At 6 PM on Nisan 14, the 24 hours of Firstfruits began. Midnight was at 6 hours. Morning began at 12 hours (6 AM). Noon was at 18 hours, the Sun started going down. Between the two evenings was 21 hours (3 PM).

Lev. 23:5 says, "In the first month, on the FOURTEENTH of the month (Nisan 14), BETWEEN THE EVENINGS is the PASSOVER to Jehovah".

Since the Feast of Passover was originally on Nisan 14, one thing seems impossible. That is to think that the Passover lamb was sacrificed on Nisan 15, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, as the Jews of today believe. For sure, the lamb had to be sacrificed, roasted and eaten before midnight on Nisan 14. Although unleavened bread is to be eaten on Nisan 14 as well as from Nisan 15 to 21, the passover lamb could only be eaten before midnight on Nisan 14.

If the Israelites in Egypt had waited to sacrifice the lamb on Nisan 15, all their firstborn would have died at Midnight, Nisan 14. The Egyptians were burying their dead as the Israelites departed Rameses on Nisan 15. Nu. 33:3 says, "they pulled up stakes from Rameses in the first month on the FIFTEENTH DAY of the first month. ON THE NEXT DAY AFTER THE PASSOVER the sons of Israel went out with a high hand, before the eyes of all the Egyptians."

I wonder why the Jews changed from calling the 14th Pesach (Passover) to calling the 15th Pesach, as on my Hebrew Calendar? Neither Unleavened Bread nor Firstfruits are marked on my calendar. Why? All the other main feasts are marked.

The morning sacrifice was at 9 AM. It seems reasonable to assume that the priest lighted the lamps at 3 PM, then proceeded to kill the second sacrifice of the day. I don't think he would kill the second sacrifice of the 14th at 6 PM, when the 15th began.

Ex. 34:25 says, "You shall not slaughter the blood of MY SACRIFICE with leaven, NOR SHALL THE SACRIFICE OF THE PASSOVER FEAST PASS THE NIGHT UNTIL MORNING" (the morning of Nisan 14, six hours after midnight). If the sacrifice was not kept past the beginning of the morning of Nisan 14, it could not have been kept until Nisan 15, which started 12 hours later.

In other words, none of the lamb was kept past the first 12 hours, called night, of Nisan 14. Separating the night of Nisan 14 and the night of Nisan 15 were 12 hours of day belonging to Nisan 14. To me, there is no way the lamb could have been eaten on Nisan 15.

Joshua 5:10-12 says, "the sons of Israel camped in Gilgal, and prepared the PASSOVER on the FOURTEENTH DAY OF THE MONTH, AT EVENING (the beginning of the day), in the plains of Jericho. And THEY ATE THE OLD GRAIN OF THE LAND ON THE MORROW OF THE PASSOVER (Nisan 15, the Feast of Unleavened Bread), unleavened bread and roasted grain, in this same day (Nisan 15). And the manna ceased on the NEXT DAY (Nisan 16, the Feast of Firstfruits, time of Jesus' resurrection in 30 AD) after they ate of the old grain of the land (on Nisan 15)."

Nisan 15, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, was "the morrow of the Passover". Therefore, the Passover could not be eaten on Nisan 15. It had to be eaten before midnight of Nisan 14.

The Last Supper was the night that began Nisan 13 (the Preparation of the Passover), which lasted 24 hours, 12 hours of night, then 12 hours of daylight. When Nisan 13 began, the 14th, Passover, was still 24 hours in the future.

John 13:1,2 says, "BEFORE THE FEAST OF THE PASSOVER (Nisan 13, Preparation Day, is before Nisan 14), Jesus knowing that His hour had come that He should move from this world to the Father, loving His own in the world, He loved them to the end. And SUPPER HAVING OCCURRED (on Nisan 13), the Devil having put already into the heart of Simon's son Judas Iscariot that he should betray Him".

In the scripture above, the word translated "before" is "pro," a primary preposition; fore, that is, in front of, prior to. Jesus died on the day BEFORE the Feast of the Passover.

After the Last Supper on the night of Nisan 13, the Preparation of the Passover, the Feast of Passover was still future. John 13:29,30 says, "some thought, since Judas held the moneybag, that Jesus was saying to him, BUY WHAT THINGS WE HAVE NEED OF FOR THE FEAST; or that he should give something to the poor. Then, receiving the morsel, he immediately went out. And it was night" (the night that began Nisan 13, the day prior to the Passover).

John 19:13-16 says, "Then hearing this word, Pilate led Jesus out. And he sat down on the judgment seat, at a place called The Pavement, but in Hebrew, Gabbatha. And IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER (i.e., Nisan 13), and about the sixth hour (9 AM). And he said to the Jews, Behold, your King! But they cried out, Away, Away! Crucify Him! Pilate said to them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king except Caesar. Therefore, then, he delivered Him up to them, that He might be crucified".

There were two lambs sacrificed every day, one at about 9 AM, the other between 3 and 5 PM. In 30 AD, all twenty-four courses of priests had to serve at the temple during the feasts. At passover, there were thousands of lambs besides the usual morning and afternoon sacrifices to be slain before 6 PM, when Nisan 14 started. The priests couldn't get the slaughtering done unless they started at about 3 PM on Thursday, Nisan 13, the preparation of the passover, and that is about when Jesus died.

I see no way around this: that Jesus died about 3 PM on Nisan 13, the PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER. Luke 23:43-46 says, "Jesus said to him (the believing thief upon a cross), Truly I say to you, Today (Nisan 13) you will be with Me in Paradise. And it was about the sixth hour (noon), and darkness came over all the land until the ninth hour (3 PM). And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the Holy Place was torn in the middle. And crying with a loud voice, Jesus said, Father, "into Your hands I commit My spirit." And saying this, He breathed out the spirit."

Since the Passover lamb was a type of Jesus, the Lamb of God, and he died about 3 PM on the PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, it would be true to the type for the Passover lamb to be slain at 3 PM on the preparation of the Passover. Since there were so many lambs to be slain at the Temple, it seems likely that this took from 3 to 5 PM on Nisan 13 in 30 AD.

A Hebrew 24-hour day consists of 12 hours of night and 12 hours of day. There are four 3-hour watches in the night--6 to 9 PM, 9 PM to midnight, midnight to 3 AM, and 3 to 6 AM. The 12 hours of day are further divided into morning and evening. Gen 1:5 says, "God called the light, Day. And He called the darkness, Night. And there was evening, and there was morning the first day." I think the morning sacrifice was about 9 AM, the midpoint of the morning. I also think the afternoon sacrifice was about 3 PM, the midpoint of the evening.

Nu. 28:4: "You shall offer the one lamb in the morning (i.e., at 9 AM), and you shall offer the other lamb BETWEEN THE TWO EVENINGS" (i.e., at 3 PM) Jesus died "BETWEEN THE TWO EVENINGS." One evening, at the going down of the Sun, was from noon to 3 PM. The other evening, was from 3 PM to 6 PM.

Ex. 12:5-12: "A flock animal, a male without blemish, a yearling, shall be to you. You shall take from the sheep or from the goats. And it shall be for you to KEEP UNTIL (ad, until, or before) THE FOURTEENTH DAY OF THIS MONTH. AND ALL THE ASSEMBLY OF THE CONGREGATION OF ISRAEL SHALL KILL IT BETWEEN THE EVENINGS (3 PM on Preparation Day, Nisan 13). And they shall take from the blood, and put it on the two side doorposts and on the upper doorpost, on the houses in which they eat it. And they shall eat the flesh in this night (between 6 PM and midnight on Nisan 14), roasted with fire (it takes about 3 hours to roast it), and they shall eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs. Do not eat it raw, or at all boiled in water, but roasted with fire; its head with its legs and with its inward parts. And you shall not leave any of it until morning. And you shall burn with fire that left from it until morning. And you shall eat it this way: with your loins girded, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. And you shall eat it in haste. It is the Passover to Jehovah. And I will pass through in the land of Egypt in this night (Nisan 14). And I will strike every first-born in the land of Egypt" (at midnight).

How did the food to be eaten on a Sabbath get prepared? Each Saturday Sabbath, Festal Sabbath, or combination thereof, had a PREPARATION DAY preceeding it. In 30 AD, Nisan 13 (Thursday) was The Big Preparation Day. Nisan 14, Friday, was Passover. Nisan 15, Saturday, was Unleavened Bread. Nisan 16, Sunday, was Firstfruits. Nisan 14, 15, and 16 were holy convocations, days of rest upon which no work was to be done.

These lambs typified Jesus Christ. He was our passover that was sacrificed for us (I Cor. 5:7). Since he was put on the cross at 9 AM (Mt. 27:45-50), I think the morning sacrifice was offered at 9 AM. Since Jesus died about 3 PM, I think the second lamb was sacrificed between the two evenings, about 3 PM. "Indeed, history shows that at the time of Messiah, the Jewish priests fulfilled God's command by offering the evening sacrifice between 2:30-3:30 in the afternoon" (

Jesus was crucified on the "PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER" (John 19:14), on Thursday, Nisan 13. The lambs were killed between 3 and 6 PM in preparation for the passover meal, which came between 6 PM and midnight on Nisan 14. I see no possible way that Passover could be Nisan 15.


Rapiemur and Harpazo: the Origin of the Catching Up

The Greek term for "suddenly caught up" is harpazo, which means to seize or snatch up something suddenly with great force without the consent of the owner. The specific usage of the verb in I Thessalonians 4:17 is HARPAGESOMETHA, THE FUTURE PASSIVE INDICATIVE TENSE....

I The 4:17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be suddenly caught up [harpagesometha] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

The verb harpazo is the New Testament in a variety of ways, with several referring to the sudden nonconsensual seizure of human beings.

My reply

Thanks for the information about the word Rapture. Young's Concordance says that harpazo is translated as catch (1), Catch away (2), catch up (4), pluck (2), pull (1) and take by force (3). I've found 13 so far.

(1) Mt 11:12: "And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent TAKE IT BY FORCE."

(2) Mt 13:19: "When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and CATCHETH AWAY that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side."

(3) John 6:15: "When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and TAKE HIM BY FORCE, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone."

(4) John 10:12: "But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf CATCHETH them, and scattereth the sheep."

(5) John 10:28: " And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man PLUCK THEM OUT of my hand."

(6) John 10:29: "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to PLUCK THEM OUT of my Father's hand.

(7) Acts 8:39: "And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord CAUGHT AWAY Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing."

(8) Acts 23:10: "And when there arose a great dissension, the chief captain, fearing lest Paul should have been pulled in pieces of them, commanded the soldiers to go down, and to TAKE HIM BY FORCE from among them, and to bring him into the castle."

(9) II Cor 12:2: "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP to the third heaven."

(10) II Cor 12:4: "How that he was CAUGHT UP into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

(11) I Thess 4:17: "Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

(12) Jude 1:23: "And others save with fear, PULLING THEM OUT of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh."

(13) Rev 12:5: "And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was CAUGHT UP unto God, and to his throne." ---
The Rapture
The Word "RAPTURE" Is Biblical

Mt 11:12 - -harpazousin - rapiunt - -take by force
Matt. 13:19 -harpazei - - rapit - - catcheth away
John 6:15 - harpazein - -raperent - taken by force
John 10:12 - harpazei - - rapit - - catcheth
John 10:28 - harpasei - - rapiet - - pluck
John 10:29 - harpazein - - rapere - - to pluck
Acts 8:39 - herpasen - - rapuit - - caught away
Acts 23:10 - harpasai - - rapere - - to take by force
2 Cor. 12:2 -harpagenta - raptum - - caught up
2 Cor. 12:4 -herpage - - raptus - - was caught up
1 Th. 4:17-harpagesometha- rapiemur - shall be caught up
Jude 23 - - harpazontes - rapientes - pulling
Rev. 12:5 - herpasthe - - raptus - - was caught up

Cornell study of ancient volcano, seeds and tree rings, suggests rewriting Late Bronze Age Mediterranean history

By Alex Kwan:

Separated in history by 100 years, the seafaring Minoans of Crete and the mercantile Canaanites of northern Egypt and the Levant (a large area of the Middle East) at the eastern end of the Mediterranean were never considered trading partners at the start of the Late Bronze Age. Until now.

Cultural links between the Aegean and Near Eastern civilizations will have to be reconsidered: A new Cornell University radiocarbon study of tree rings and seeds shows that the Santorini (or Thera) volcanic eruption, a central event in Aegean prehistory, occurred about 100 years earlier than previously thought....

From The Works of Philo Judaeus (contemporary of Josephus)

Translated from the Greek by Charles Duke Yonge (London, H. G. Bohn, 1854-1890)

A Treatise on the Cherubim; and On the Flaming Sword; and On the First-Born Child of Man, Cain.

"VII (23) "Accordingly, by one of the cherubim is understood the extreme outermost circumference of the entire heaven, in which the fixed stars celebrate their truly divine dance, which always proceeds on similar principles and is always the same, without ever leaving the order which the Father, who created them, appointed for them in the world. But the other of the cherubim is the inner sphere which is contained within that previously mentioned, which God originally divided in two parts, and created seven orbits, bearing a certain definite proportion to one another, and he adapted each of the planets to one of these; (24) and then, having placed each of these stars in its proper orbit, like a driver in a chariot, he did not entrust the reins to any one of them, fearing that some inharmonious sort of management might be the result, but he made them all to depend upon himself, thinking that, by that arrangement, the character of their motion would be rendered most harmonious. For every thing which exists in combination with God is deserving of praise; but every thing which exists without him is faulty.

VIII. (25) This, then, is one of the systems, according to which what is said of the cherubim may be understood allegorically. But we must suppose that the sword, consisting of flame and always turning in every direction, intimates their motion and the everlasting agitation of the entire heaven. And may we not say, according to another way of understanding this allegory, that the two cherubim are meant as symbols of each of the hemispheres? For they say that they stand face to face, inclining towards the mercy-seat; since the two hemispheres are also exactly opposite to one another, and incline towards the earth which is the centre of the whole universe, by which, also, they are kept apart from one another. (26) But the only one of all the parts of the world that stands firmly was most appropriately named Vesta{10}{hestieµ, as standing (hestoµsa).} by the ancients, in order that there might be an excellently arranged revolution of the two hemispheres around some object firmly fixed in the middle. And the flaming sword is a symbol of the sun; for as he is a collection of an immense body of flame, he is the swiftest of all existing things, to such a degree that in one day he revolves round the whole world."

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