Pro and Con 1291

Posted 6-8-06

Incoming e-mail, Re: Rainbow that set the sky on fire

BARRY WIGMORE, 8th June 2006 In a breathtaking blaze of glory, Nature puts on one of its most spectacular sky shows.

Reds, oranges, blues and greens create a flaming rainbow that stretches above the clouds.

But this circumhorizon arc, as it is known, owes more to ice than fire. It occurs when sunlight passes through ice crystals in high cirrus clouds. It is one of 15 types of ice halos formed only when the most specific of factors dovetail precisely together.

This blanket of fire, covering hundreds of square miles, is the rarest phenomenon of them all. It was spotted in the US on the Washington-Idaho border around midday last Saturday....
This fiery rainbow occurred on 7 Sivan (Shavuot/Pentecost) on 3 June 2006. An Outstanding wonder to behold on Pentecost. What has been promised came in 30 A.D. We who are alive now look toward toward the promise of His coming in the clouds to gather His Bride. Hold fast what you have and Watch for the fulfillment of the second prophecy.

My reply

Thanks much. What a sight. Yes, Saturday was Sivan 7, Pentecost. That reminds me of the day Ed and I drove into the end of the rainbow at Allesandro and Day Street in Moreno Valley on the very day I figured out that Sivan 7 seemed to be the right date for Pentecost instead of Sivan 6. Hmmm. Why would Sivan 7 be emphasized over Sivan 6? Hmmm. Saturday was the Sabbath too.

Whatever it means, It was quite an eyeful of beauty to look at. Gorgeous!

The pomegranate that is now thought to be authentic

The Temple of Solomon and Mt Moriah


This thumb-sized pomegranate is believed to be the only known relic from Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem. Around the shoulder of the pomegranate is a carefully incised inscription in early Hebrew characters, part of which is broken off, which reads: "qodes kohanim I-beyt [yahwe]h". "Sacred donation for the priests of (in) the House of [Yahwe]h." "House of Yahweh" most probably refers to the Temple in Jerusalem. It was a favorite motif in the Temple of Solomon, and decorated the capitals of the two freestanding columns at the entrance to the Temple (1 Kings 7:21).

Spectacular Mammatus Clouds over Hastings, Nebraska

Comet Meets Ring Nebula: Part I

My comment

Comets can be a sign. This picture is spectacular. Look for it in the recent archives.

Incoming email, Re: "The 70th Week"

David Burnette (12 May 2006)

My reply to David Burnette

Please reconsider your position that Dan. 9:27 applies to Christ. It doesn't. It can't. He is not the desolator. The desolator is the Satan-possessed False Prophet.

> > 2) It’s common knowledge Jesus had a 3 ½ year public ministry, which ended as we all know at his crucifixion (cut off), therefore 69 ½ weeks of years ended also at the cut off (crucifixion).

However, Scripture, in Dan 9:25 (KJV), says, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment (i.e., the commandment of Cyrus) to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks". It doesn't say or mean 69.5 weeks of years.

Isa. 44:28 says, The "LORD, thy redeemer" (i.e., the Son of God) "saith of CYRUS, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to JERUSALEM, THOU SHALT BE BUILT; AND TO THE TEMPLE, THY FOUNDATION SHALL BE LAID."

In Wars V.IX. 4, Josephus said, "You are also acquainted with the slavery we were under at Babylon, where the people were captives for seventy years; yet were they not delivered into freedom again before God made CYRUS HIS GRACIOUS INSTRUMENT IN BRINGING IT ABOUT; ACCORDINGLY THEY WERE SET FREE BY HIM, AND DID AGAIN RESTORE THE WORSHIP OF THEIR DELIVERER AT HIS TEMPLE."

> > 3) Jesus was therefore Cut off (crucified) 3 ½ years “AFTER” (Dan. 9:26) him being “anointed” Messiah the Prince at his baptism.
> > 4) The above proves 69 ½ weeks of Daniel’s 70th Week therefore has already been used up at the cut off (or crucifixion in Daniel 6:26), which naturally only leaves 3 ½ years still in the future.

According to Martin Anstey in "The Romance of Bible Chronology," the prophecy of Dan. 9:27 ran to 30 AD, not 26 AD (when John the Baptist baptized Jesus). (483 yrs - 454 BC + 1 [because there was no zero year] = 30 AD).

Jesus is the "Messiah the Prince", not the despicable "prince that SHALL come" in the future.

Dan. 9:25,26 (KJV) says, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem (issued by Cyrus in 454 BC) unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks (483 yrs - 454BC + 1 [because there was no zero yr] = 30 AD): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks (i.e., in 30 AD) shall Messiah (Jesus Christ) be cut off (karath, killed), but not for himself (for us): and the people (Romans) of the prince (i.e., the False Prophet) that SHALL COME (in the future) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary (a Roman army destroyed both by fire in 70 AD); and the end thereof shall be (in the future) with a flood (an overflowing shower, i.e., a tsunami, when the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea), and unto the end of the war (Armageddon) desolations are determined."

Continuing, Dan. 9:27 (KJV)says, "And he (a pronoun refers back to the last mentioned, i.e., the False Prophet that 'shall come' in the future) SHALL confirm (strengthen) the covenant (i.e., the peace treaty) with many (including the UN) for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week he (the False Prophet) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (when he sits in the temple shewing himself that he is God, II Thess. 2:4), and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he (the False Prophet) shall make it (the Temple) desolate, even until the consummation (Armageddon), and that determined (fire, when he is thrown in the Lake of Fire, Rev. 19:20) shall be poured upon the desolate" (the desolator, the False Prophet).

The False Prophet "SHALL", in the future, confirm the covenant for 7 years, not 3.5 years. The future 70th week of Daniel is 7 years.

Jesus isn't the one that will strengthen the peace treaty for 7 years. He isn't the desolator upon whom fire will be poured, either.

This is talking about the final Antichrist, the Satan-possessed False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18. He will be revealed when he signs the strenthened peace treaty at the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation. His despotic rule will begin when he is indwelt by Satan, and sits in the Temple Mid-Trib shewing himself that he is God.

> > 5) 99 % of our “modern” prophecy books has taught us in the last 150 years or so the “he” in Daniel 9:27 is the antichrist who will make a 7-year peace treaty with the many in Israel (Dan 9:27), which they say will commence the 70th week of Daniel. Then this tradition also teaches us this antichrist will break the 7-year peace treaty in the middle of the 70th Week ( 3 ½ years) as he enters into the newly built temple and declares himself God as he sits in the Holy of Holies of this new temple. The problem with all this men’s tradition is there is simply NO Biblical proof to back it up. That’s why the Bible states man’s traditions make the Word of God of none effect!

II Thess. 2:3,4 says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (i.e., the great and dreadful Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (lit., a departing, i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) first, and that man of sin (the False Prophet) be revealed (after the Rapture, when he signs the strengthened 7-year peace covenant), the son of perdition (i.e., he's Satan possessed from Mid-Trib on); Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

When this happens, the believers in Jerusalem will have to flee to the wilderness and Petra for 1260 days (3.5 years). Rev. 12:6 says, "And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place (Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." Verse 14 adds, "And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time (1 year), and times (2 years), and half a time ( i.e., for 3.5 years), from the face of the serpent."

> > The whole context of Daniel 9:24-27 is about the coming Messiah and not antichrist. “The covenant mentioned in Daniel 9:27 is referring back to the Abrahamic Covenant Gabriel was already talking about in Daniel 9:4. Gabriel informs Daniel this coming Messiah would “confirm” (meaning strengthen) the Abrahamic Covenant during the first ½ of Daniel’s 70th Week. Roman’s 15:8, and Galation’s 3:17 proves Jesus “confirmed” this covenant during his public ministry and NOT antichrist. There is not one verse in the Bible that says the antichrist confirms anything or makes a covenant. This simply is a lie from the devil. This same devil would like the last generation Christians to be placed in a snare also with this strong delusion that the “he” in Daniel 9:27 is the antichrist.

To me, there is no way that Dan. 9:27 can apply to Christ. The LITERAL VERSION says, "And he shall confirm a covenant with the many for one week (i.e., 7 years). And in the middle of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease. And on a corner of the altar will be abominations (idols) that desolate, even until the end (i.e., of the 70th week, the Tribulation). And that which was decreed (the Sword of the Lord, the asteroid of Rev. 8:10) shall pour out on the desolator" (i.e., be poured out on the False Prophet, the final Satan-possessed Antichrist).

Tying in with Daniel 9:27, Mt. 24:15-22 (KJV) says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation (an idol), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand) [i.e., stand in the Temple]: Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation [last half of the 7 years], such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days [the last 1260 of the Tribulation] should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

There is no way Mt. 24:15-22 or Dan. 9:27 can apply to Christ. The "desolator" is the False Prophet, the idol shepherd. Zech 11:17 says, "Woe to the IDOL SHEPHERD that leaveth the flock! the sword (Sword of the Lord, i.e, the asteroid of Rev. 8:10 shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

Jer 12:12 says, "The spoilers are come upon all high places through the wilderness: for the SWORD OF THE LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace. Agape

The Rapture

By Laura Thomas

The Rapture is always spoken of as a wonderful truth in which Christians can look forward to. They will be “caught up together to meet the Lord in the air”(1 Thes 4:17) by Christ Himself. The Participates of this Rapture will be the dead in Christ and His Church. Those dead in Christ refer to the ones who have already passed away leaving their bodies in the grave since the church age began; THIS DOESN’T INCLUDE ANYONE WHO DIED BEFORE THE CHURCH AGE WAS ESTABLISHED....

Partial Viewers claim that when He calls, only some will be ready, watching and awake. For all believers not on guard, expecting Him at any given moment, therefore they will be left behind. This argument gets lost when Christ states he will come for all, meaning everyone and it doesn’t state any future return visits to call. His final call to complete the Bride will be immediately preceding the final war of Armageddon and his return at the second Advent, yet one final Rapture will occur preceding eternity. The Partial view also creates a problem with the Bride because Christ will only marry His bride in Parts....

My comments


Heb 11:39,40 shows that the Old Testament saints will be made perfect when we are made perfect. It says, "And these all (OT saints), having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect." I think all are made perfect when all are "changed", actually made immortal. That will come not at the first trump, the first Rapture, but at the "last trump", the second Rapture. 1 Cor 15:51-54 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption (i.e., when resurrected or raptured), and this mortal shall have put on immortality (at the "last trump", the second Rapture), then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

The dead are raised in incorruption, but they are not yet actually immortal. 1 Cor 15:42 says, "the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption".

The complete Body of Christ, including Old Testament saints, Church saints and Tribulation saings, will be made immortal when the whole Body of Christ is complete, i.e., at the General Assembly in Heaven after the Tribulation saints are caught up in the second Rapture.

Heb 12:22,23 shows that all saints are "made perfect" by the time all are gathered to the general assembly in Heaven on the days the last trump sounds to call the Tribulation saints up to Heaven. It says, "ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect".

The first "trump of God" (i.e., the first Rapture) is before the Tribulation. The "last trump" (i.e., the second Rapture) is at the end of the shortened Tribulation.

Of the day of the second Rapture, which is the day of the "general assembly in Heaven", Mt 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (his arrival is 7 months after this sign appears in the clouds, Eze. 39:12,13). And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (i.e., the 'last trump', and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other" These saints are already in Heaven, and they are gathered to the "general assembly in Heaven".

At this assembly, Jesus will be crowned, the Tribulation saints will be raptured, the Marriage of the Lamb will take place, then Jesus will be seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. All saints will be in Heaven at that time, and all living unbelievers will be on Earth. The asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 will hit Earth, destroying all the cities of the nations in the worldwide earthquake (Eze. 38:20).

Rev. 16:18,19 says, "Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."

At the same time that the second Rapture takes place. Mark 13:26,27 says, "then shall they see the Son of man coming (i.e., they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky) in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (i.e., the Tribulation saints) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN". Those gathered from Heaven are Old Testament saints and wise virgins caught up to Heaven in the first Rapture.

> > This argument gets lost when Christ states he will come for all, meaning everyone and it doesn’t state any future return visits to call.

There are two trumps of God. When the first trump (I Thess. 4:13-17) sounds, the Bride of Christ will be caught up to Heaven. When the last trump (I Cor. 15:51-53) sounds, the Tribulation saints will be caught up to Heaven.

> > His final call to complete the Bride will be immediately preceding the final war of Armageddon and his return at the second Advent

I think there will be 7 months between the second Rapture and the Second Coming of Christ, when Armageddon takes place. It is between Christ's forces and Satan's forces. Therefore, it has to take place after the Second Coming.

> > The Partial view also creates a problem with the Bride because Christ will only marry His bride in Parts

Both Raptures will take place. Then the Marriage of the Lamb will take place. At that time, the Bride of Christ is complete.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Golden City

Thank You for All your wonderful Biblical information.

Concerning your question on the most recent posting, re: is the New Jerusalem really metallic gold or a reflection.

In 1963 I had a 'death experience'. I was taken UP by two men in white. We were standing on a rock like surface..the rock was black and had holes in it. It seems to me that in one of your postings, you showed a similar picture..was that of a 'moon' of Saturn?? Anyway, at that time these two men in white were talking to the Heavenly Father in a language that I did not understand. While they were talking, I was looking 'over the way'. I suppose I was looking over toward Saturn. I saw a very lenghtly city of elaborate structures which were indeed metallic gold. I said to the Heavenly Father, "Oh there's Heaven..that's where I have always wanted to go..please take me there!!!!!!!l" He said two words, "Not Yet". He motioned to the two men in white and they brought me back to earth. Then the next thing I knew, I was being taken out of the church meeting room, where I had collapsed (died!), and put into an ambulance. Then I was taken to a nearby Jewish Hospital- Sinai Hospital. At one point, 7 Jewish doctors were at the foot of my bed..excitingly pointing to my face and busily talking to each other. When I looked in a mirror, I understood why. My face was covered with the brilliant Moses, it was gone the next day. Here, There, or in The Air

My reply

Thanks for sharing this with me. Now that the UN is restoring Babylon, our time here seems short. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Regarding Old Testament Bible Chronology

My reply

I started with Martin Anstey's "Romance of Bible Chronology." It was the best that I could find in the library at the Bible Institute of Los Angeles (BIOLA), La Mirada, CA, campus. Then, I worked on Bible Chronology for several years to do all I could to figure it out. I followed up every lead I could find. I figured out where I could do double checks from the information found in the Bible. I found dates that I thought were correct and counted backwards, etc. The date of Tishri 1 can be determined by using YourSky, but it came out on the same day that I had so painstakingly arrived at by counting the days back from a known date. The sign described in Rev. 12 is in the sky on Tishri 1. Virgo is clothed with the Sun, and the Moon is at her feet. Now, I figure that the Sabbath Day when God rested was Sept. 18, 4044 BC.

Go to YourSky:
Since astronomers add a zero year, we have to subtract one year from any BC date. To get the chart for 4044 BC, we have to type in -4043.
Click Universal time. Then type -4043-09-18 16:17:00
Set the Latitude and Longitude for Jerusalem, or 31 North Latitude and 35 East Longitude will do.
Click Ecliptic and equator, Constellations, Outlines, Names and Boundaries.
Click Black on white background for Colour scheme.
Click Update
The Sun will be going down, and the new Crescent Moon will be under Virgo's feet. Since this view doesn't show the name of Virgo, set it an hour earlier to see which is Virgo. Then go back to 16:17 to look at the sign. Saturn was in Pisces. Jupiter and Venus were flanking the Crescent Moon, a pretty sight, but even better than that, Jupiter (at 11h 10m 38s Right Ascension) was in close conjunction with the Crescent Moon (at 11h 24m 10s RA). Agape

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