Pro and Con 1299

Posted 9-18-06

Here's a surprise; we now have only eight planets


Explanation: How many planets are in the Solar System? This popular question now has a new formal answer according the International Astronomical Union (IAU): eight.

The Amero

Dollar To Be Replaced By The Amero In 2010, & New World Currency Called The Phoenix In 2018

This should be interesting; the Feast of Trumpets is Sept. 23, 2006

Arab League Peace Plan to UN : over Feast of Trumpets"

Incoming e-mail, Re: How Can I Pray, Marilyn?

My reply

Thanks for your prayers in our behalf. I have been having troubles with the computer--gave up and bought a new one. Ed had to have 3 people help him into a resturant. That was his worst episode. His feet just wouldn't move. They were "stuck" in place....

Ed says that I'm going to need a motorized scooter (or wheelchair) for him to use when we go out to Doctor's or to eat....Ed is afraid my back can't stand to push him in a wheelchair...Agape

Her reply

I'm so sorry for the trials that you have endured with illness. Ed has suffered so with the Parkinson's disease. A motorized scooter would be ideal for your trips, if one can be obtained that is easy for you to get in and out of the car. I'll be praying about that specifically.

It's good that you have a new computer...will pray about its effectively working with the software you utilize. You are missed on the Web, however, I have often thought that if we were raptured today there would be a very effective body of information left there for the reader.

Just finished my second reading of Daniel Matson's book. He makes a very compelling case for this Rosh Hashanah with the Trib. starting on Nov.8...only the Lord knows. However, Debka File today shows a fleet from Europe building up in the Mediterranean 10x the size needed for the International Peace Keeping Force. The analysis given for European and American ships is that an antipated war between Israel/US on one side and Syria/Iran on the other is expected sometime between now and November. That fits.

As we are all challenged to hold on in our health and circumstances, I have personally received recent encouragement. We had to make a trip to Seattle last week. I asked the Lord for the encouragement of seeing a deer come up to the freeway in midday if He was coming this fall. Sure enough a deer ran up to the very pavement, turned and ran off right in front of my eyes. My daughter (traveling in a car in front of us) laughed and said, "Mom has prayed something for that deer to show up." We have all made that trip fifty or more times and the only two times a deer appeared were when I had prayed earnestly for encouragement regarding a specific issue. While we were in Seattle, my daughter who had also prayed for encouragement about a fall rapture (unknown to me) was standing opposite me when a pure white dove swooped down and fluttered above her head for what seemed like a minute. She then told me that she had asked the Lord for an "I love you touch" encouraging her heart.

One further encouragement came from Is. 35:1-4. We are currently in central Oregon while maintaining another residence in Portland. In my vivid dream visions of the early 90's, I recognized this house as the house in which my son and I watched a warehouse being built. He is now finishing an office/warehouse in this area, expanding his business from Seattle. I asked the Lord that if He would yet encourage me one further time, that the word "desert" would be in the scripture that I opened to. I had felt on an earlier occasion that He had promised that we would "arise fromt the desert" while here. Sure enough, my Bible opened to "The DESERT and the parched land will be glad...strengthen the feeble hands, steady the knees that give way; say to those with fearful hearts, 'Be strong, do not fear, your God WILL COME, HE WILL COME WITH VENGEANCE; WITH DIVINE RETRIBUTION HE WILL COME TO SAVE YOU.'" (Is.351-4) My husband commented that the scripture couldn't have been more direct as an answer to prayer. Be encouraged, our waiting will be soon rewarded! Take Care With Agape Love

Signs of the Times

During the past five centuries, most Jews have agreed with Rabbi David ben Zimra's belief that the ancient Temple stood at the exact site that's now occupied by the Dome of the Rock. This is one of Islam's holiest structures, commemorating what's believed to be the spot from which Muhammad ascended to heaven.

Some zealous Jews and Christians interpret the Bible as teaching that it's God's will for the Temple to be rebuilt someday at its original location. If the conventional location is correct, that would require demolition of the Muslim shrine ---- and incitement to interfaith world war.

My comment

I doubt if these people have a chance of being right about the Temple being built over the rock under the Dome of the Rock. It would not fit into the dimensions of the Temple.


By Marilyn Agee

The Templemount Faithful group says,"The Present Dome of the Rock is the Location of the Temple
The Rock Which is Under the Dome of the Rock is the Location of the Holy of Holies"

I don't believe it. The rock that is left under the Dome of the Rock wouldn't fit inside the Temple, and it was probably larger at the lower altitude of Solomon's Temple. It certainly extended higher than today.

It is strange, but many other people, including many Jewish Rabbis, also think that the Holy of Holies was built over the rock that is now under the Dome of the Rock. If they would just compare the north-south dimensions of the rock and the Holy of Holies, they would quickly see that the rock would not have fit into the temple at all. The rock is too wide, and since Solomon's Temple, and even Herod's, was at a lower elevation than the mount is now, the size of the projecting rock would have been even larger than it is today.


"The "Sakhra" Rock, which occupies the centre of the building, is overhung by a canopy and surrounded by a rude wooden railing. It (the rock) rises four feet nine and a half inches above the marble pavement of the mosque at its highest point, and one foot at its lowest; from NORTH TO SOUTH it measures FIFTY-SIX FEET, and from east to west forty-two feet." ("Dome of the Rock, Interior":


"According to Josephus, the First Temple was 30 cubits (or about 51.7 feet) high, 20 cubits (37.9 feet) wide and 60 cubits (103 feet) long." ("Temple Mount Virtual Archaeology Tour," by Richley H. Crapo:


Richard Crapo also said, "The platform on which the Temple rests is twelve-and-a-half feet high." This made it easier to see into the Temple from the Miphkad Altar, on the Mt. of Olives where the red heifer was burned and the ashes from the Temple were dumped.

I think the Miphkad Altar was on the Mt. of Olives, due east of the Temple, and that the Temple was south of the Dome of the Rock. It's western wall probably faced the wailing wall that is now standing. Part of the largest cistern, called the Great Sea, would have been under the edge of the pavement near the Altar. The aqueduct goes to the Great Sea.


In "The Expansion and Portability of Zion" (, Ernest L. Martin explained that the village of Bethphage was near the summit of the Mt. of Olives. It was one of two meeting places of the Sanhedrin. One meeting place was in the Temple precincts. "Yet the walled village of BETHPHAGE POSITIONED JUST EAST OF THE WESTERN SUMMIT OF THE MOUNT OF OLIVES (A LITTLE TO THE EAST OF THE MIPHKAD ALTAR where the Red Heeifer was burnt to ashes and the Day of Atonement sacrifices were burnt) was where the other seat of Sanhedrin was located. There were specific decisions of the Sanhedrin that were reserved for determination only at this official seat of the court in Bethphage....Thus, the Sanhedrin had the village of Bethphage specifically built just to the east of the city limits of Jerusalem as they existed in the time of Jesus." (emphasis is mine)

I wish I could stand on the Mount of Olives near the Miphkad Altar and look toward the Temple Mount. Martin had been there. I'll have to try to see through his eyes.

In "The Final Three Books of the Third Division" (, Martin said, "The word Miphkad means “numbering” or “counting” (and in this case it meant counting the heads of persons who were Israelites, firstborn ones, Levites, or Priests). In Hebrew the word “head” is golgolet. Indeed, the place where these “heads” were counted (or numbered) was at the site of the Miphkad (NUMBERING) Altar just to the west of the village of Bethphage on the Mount of Olives. Because of this, this region on the Mount of Olives became known in New Testament times as Golgotha through the Greek (where heads or the skulls of people were counted in any NUMBERING or census of Israel)."

In this section of Martin's writing is an interesting diagram. He obviously drew this before he decided that the Temple was not built on the Temple Mount, but south of it over the Gihon Spring in the City of David.

Miphkad Altar due east of Temple

At this time, Martin obviously thought that the Miphkad Altar was due east of the Temple.

I found the diagram below in "The Red Heifer and the Crucifixion," by Doug Jacoby
( He thought that the line of sight was not on a true east-west line. I side with Martin on the east-west line of sight, but I think the Temple was between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. That location fits the fact that the stairs on the north of the Al Aqsa Mosque lead down into the great arched passageway and to the Hulda Gates, where the people entered the Mount after Herod raised and enlarged it.

Miphkad Altar northeast of Temple


map showing Bethphage east of Jerusalem

According to Wikipedia (, Bethphage was a place in ancient Israel...from which Jesus sent the disciples to find the mule upon which he would ride into Jerusalem.

It is believed to have been located on the Mount of Olives, on the road from Jerusalem to Jericho (Matt. 21:1; Mark 11:1; Luke 19:29), and very close to BETHANY. IT WAS THE LIMIT OF A SABBATH-DAY'S JOURNEY FROM JERUSALEM, THAT IS, 2,000 CUBITS.

Under Bethphage in the Jewish Encyclopedia
(, it says, "Town mentioned in several passages of the New Testament (Matt. xxi. 1; Mark xi. 1; Luke xix. 29), in all of which it is brought into connection with Bethany, or the Mount of Olives. It was, therefore, on the road to Jericho, near Jerusalem, and outside of the wall. This is known also from TALMUDICAL REFERENCES, WHERE IT (BETHPHAGE) IS GIVEN AS THE SABBATH DISTANCE LIMIT (Neubauer, "G. T." p. 147).

Since the Miphkad Altar was also 2000 cubits from the Temple, the top of Mt. Olivet fits. Doug Jacoby said, "THE MIPHKAD ALTAR STOOD 2000 CUBITS FROM THE TEMPLE on the Mount of Olives, and although few Christians today – or Jews, for that matter – realize its true significance, this is arguably the most important of the three altars of the Temple. The three are (1) the altar of burnt offering, (2) the incense altar, and (3) the Miphkad Altar (technically a pit, according to Parah 4:2).

"One final comment on the third altar of the Temple. The Mishnah says clearly that the priests offering the sacrifice of the Red Heifer needed to be able to see the altar of burnt offering from their vantage point on the Mount of Olives:

"All the [Temple] walls were high, save only the eastern wall, because the priest that burns the Heifer and stands on top of the Mount of Olives should be able to look directly into the entrance of the sanctuary when the blood [of the Red Heifer] is sprinkled (Middoth 2:4)."

This shows that the Miphkad Altar was due east of the Temple.

The Ashes of the Red Heifer

What is the meaning behind the Ashes of the Red Heifer and what significance does it offer for Christians today?


My comment

The largest cistern is called the "Great Sea." It was partially under the floor under the altar. Does this mean that the water from the Great Sea could also be used, along with the spring water coming in through the aqueduct, to purify the floor around the altar? Can't a siphon powered by falling water also suck up water like a pump?

Updated Information on the Crucifixion of Jesus

by Ernest L. Martin, Ph.D., 1992

The first point to notice is that the burning of the Red Heifer and Jesus’ crucifixion were symbolically connected in a precise way by Christians who lived during the period of Herod’s Temple. The author of the Book of Hebrews (about AD. 61) stated that Jesus was a ‘sin offering" for the world and that his sin-atoning death epitomized the symbolic role of all the sin offerings sacrificed at the Temple (Hebrews 10:8-14). The major sin offerings were burnt to ashes at an altar region east of the Temple near the top of the Mount of Olives. Besides that, all of the ashes of the other sacrifices offered at the Altar of Burnt Offering in the Temple itself were deposited at the same altar EAST OF THE TEMPLE on Olivet (Leviticus 4:12:6:11). The author of Hebrews also connected the ashes of the Red Heifer (which were mixed with pure spring water) with the sprinkling of the blood of Jesus which occurred at the precise time of his crucifixion (9:13,14). And particularly note this point. In the Letter of Barnabas (written by a person from Jerusalem about A.D.90), the author stated that the Red Heifer in Christian circles was reckoned as Jesus. "The calf is Jesus: the sinful men offering it are those who led him to the slaughter (8:2)." Remarkably, very few Christian historians have asked: "Where was this Red Heifer altar?"

As explained in my book "Secrets of Golgotha," the early Jewish records found in the Mishnah plainly state that THE RED HEIFER ALTAR WAS LOCATED DIRECTLY EAST OF THE TEMPLE that existed in Jesus’ time and that it was JUST SHY OF THE SUMMIT OF THE MOUNT OF OLIVES (Middoth 1:3; 2:4; Yoma 7:2; along with the Talmud in Yoma 68a and Zebahim 105b).

The Final Three Books of the Third Division
By Ernest L. Martin

The last three books of the Third Division (Daniel, Ezra/Nehemiah, and Chronicles) are also Canonical books, but they are books that were not kept in the library rooms within the Temple that were associated with the three main compartments of the Temple. These three books were kept outside the confines of the Temple, but still in a sacred area on the Mount of Olives located just outside the camp of Israel as it existed in the time of Jesus.

These were kept at the walled village of Bethphage of which I spoke earlier. This was a priestly city reckoned in the time of the Second Temple to be an integral part of the city of Jerusalem in which the court of the Sanhedrin gave their official decisions on what the limits of the city of Jerusalem were to be, what the regulations were about the killing of the Red Heifer, the decisions to execute a rebellious elder, and (as we will see) where the census and genealogical records were kept to prove who was an Israelite, a Levite and Priest, etc.

Arab states to push Mideast peace plan

AP - Sep. 6, 2006 - Arab foreign ministers met Wednesday to promote a plan to revive the deadlocked Middle East peace process amid widespread Arab fears the recent war in Lebanon helped boost the influence of Iran and the militants it supports....

He said if the council decides to hold a ministerial meeting, it will take place on Sept. 21.

"The situation in the Middle East does indeed deserve the urgent attention of the international community," Vassilakis told a news conference. "A well-organized and focused meeting may well be very useful in advancing the cause of peace in the region."

"But taking into consideration the sensitivity of the issue, everything has to be studied thoroughly and prepared so that whatever the Security Council finally decides to do will be helpful and fruitful," he said.

The Arab League believes the Security Council is the best place to launch a new Arab-Israeli peace effort whose goal would be to establish a Palestinian state, settle the Golan Heights issue with Syria, and promote Israeli-Lebanese peace after this summer's brutal conflict.

Incoming e-mail, Re: 2 bad viruses

Due to the necessity of "living water" the temple CANNOT be beyond a certain altitude. That places it between the dome of the rock and the al aksa mosque. Excellent and thorough writeup in BAR a couple of years ago.

Also fits biblically, as the building, minus the court of gentiles, will FIT between the 2!

Sorry to hear about your DSL troubles, but a router is GOOD, in fact it is essential these days as it functions as a hardware firewall, making hacks from overseas difficult. Dont feel bad about Linksys as interfacing computers to routers, etc is DIFFICULT.

ps what did you think of that video I sent you? Impressive, and SCARY!!

My reply

You have the Temple in the right spot. The foundation would have been anchored on the sloping bedrock there. Just as the temple of the Holy Spirit is built on the rock that is Christ, the literal Temple was built on bedrock. It looks like the top of the Great Sea cistern was the bedrock at that point. The height of the aqueduct determined the floor level, which was lower than ground level today. Vents were opened at the baseboard level of the walls around the altar after sacrifices were offered to let clear spring water run over the marble floor until it looked like milk.

The video? It's very good. Better than that, this is one time I can say, "It was a blast." Agape

Interesting information

The Fire and the Cloud. by Robert Reiland

The Chapel (Mosque) of The Ascension at Olivet summit takes on even greater significance when this Holy Event is examined in light of today’s political furor and the demographics of Jerusalem. Since dating of this Event is so accurately documented by Josephus, a long-smouldering conflict among Biblical scholars can be settled through simple logic. The conflict arises concerning the dates of writing the New Testament books. This Event dramatically demonstrated to the citizens of Jerusalem that they had made a grievous error. It is therefore certain that the writers of the New Testament would not have resisted including this story, which occurred 66-70 A.D. It then follows that it is patently obvious that the New Testament was written earlier -- before Shechinah departed the Temple and Jerusalem, 70 A.D....

Many other “signs” were given by a patient, loving Father to a disobedient and faithless nation. A significant and fearful change in the way these signs appeared is detailed during a period the Rabbis sadly recall as “forty years before the Temple was destroyed.” Everybody knows that Jesus was crucified just as that forty year period of shame began. That would be what the World refers to as 30 A.D.——7O A.D. or 30 -- 70 C.E. Some of the most dramatic events in this book are revealed in this sequence of events preceding the withdrawal of Shechinah. During the 4th century B.C., several miracles manifested during worship in the Second Temple. Briefly, these were:

-- The lot piece selecting the Atonement goat always came up in the Priest’s right hand.

—— The westernmost of the seven candlesticks (Menorah) along the south wall of the Temple always outlasted the other six candles, even though all candles were filled to the same level with the oil and the western candle was lighted first, and the other six being lighted from it.

— The crimson strap tied under the Scapegoat’s throat always turned white as snow when the goat reached the wilderness as Israel’s sins were forgiven on the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur.

-- By the Law, only two logs could be placed on the Altar for each day’s sacrifices and those two always lasted for a full day of sacrifices. During certain rites, each priest received a morsel of the shewbread about the size of an olive. The priest ate it and always was satisfied as if he had enjoyed a full meal; sometimes even leaving a portion uneaten.

During the years after the 4th century, “sometimes” these miracles would show. And, when they did, a good omen was seen. Then came the period extending from The Crucifixion (30 A.D. until Titus’ destruction of the Temple (70 A.D.) During that time, which the Rabbis mournfully call “forty years before the Temple was destroyed”:

The lot piece never came up in the Priest’s right hand. The westernmost candle never outlasted the other candles. The crimson strap from the Scapegoat never turned white. The logs for the Altar never burned for a full day. The shewbread morsel never satisfied, seeming more “like a bean.” At the end of that forty year period of lament (30 A.D. —— 70 A.D.) Israel´s Shechinah departed.

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