Pro and Con 13

Incoming e-mail, Re: warning 97?

Good day with the Lord. I was very happy to find your site today.

Someone told me that before the end of this year, their must be a revolution in Rome and that the Pope will have to flee Rome or will be killed. And then their will be a warning from God, the unbelievers, will say that it is only a natural disaster so they can go on their wicked way. Do you know anything about it, I would appreciate your comments on the subject, as this is a serious matter, and many people that do not know each other told me about it....

My reply

I don't know anything about this. As far as I can see, there is nothing to substantiate it in the Bible prophecies.

There are those that think the seven-year Tribulation started with the Oslo peace accords signed by Rabin and Arafat in 1993. I do not agree. Has the Beast been crowned? Has power been given to him "to take peace from the earth" (Rev. 6:4)? Have Moses and Elijah come? Is the temple built? No!

Arafat does not fit the role of the Beast, who is a Roman. Rabin does not fit the role of the False Prophet, who sits in the temple in the middle of the Tribulation "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4) and does his worst during the last half of the Tribulation. Both the Beast and False Prophet are alive to be cast into the Lake of Fire at the end of the Tribulation (Rev. 19:20).

The confirmation of the seven-year peace covenant of Daniel 9:27 is between the two beasts of Rev. 13. They are the Beast and False Prophet of Rev. 19:20. The Beast comes up out "of the sea," i.e., the nations (Rev. 17:15), and is a Roman (Dan. 9:25). This fits the Tribulation Pope. He can come out of another nation and still be a Roman. It fits Rev. 13:4,8, "who is able to make war with him?...And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb." The False Prophet comes "up out of the earth," or land, i.e., out of Israel.

The Beast is given a crown in Rev. 6:2. He is also given a "bow," but no arrows. It seems to me that the Tribulation Pope will be elected head of the world government. He will have no armaments of his own, but he will control the armaments of the united nations. There will be ten kings under him.

The book of Revelation is written as if the Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10,20). Rev. 17:12 shows that at the time of the Rapture, there are "ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast." These seem to me to be leaders of nations that are elected to serve in the world government under the Pope. This is probably because his main thrust is to head up world religion, and the nations feel the need of statesmen with political backgrounds to help rule this world government.

I think the confirmation of the peace covenant will be signed by the Beast and False Prophet on the Feast of Weeks in 2001. It will be signed by other nations also. This will kick off the Tribulation. Before this takes place, the Bride of Christ will be caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture, which I expect on Pentecost in 1998, the Jubilee year after Israel was reborn as a nation.

Pentecost is the "feast of harvest" (Ex. 23:16). The Bride of Christ is the "FIRST of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God" (Ex. 23:19).

The years in between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation are shown by the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 to be four, counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, where the first year is counted. I think they start with Pentecost, 1998 and end with Pentecost/Feast of Weeks in 2001. The Jewish years are 5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761, from Pentecost to Pentecost. It's other name, Feast of Weeks, is fitting for the beginning of the Seventieth Week of Daniel.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Just Finished Your Book! (4:30 AM)

Great job on your book! I am stunned at the understanding that you seem to have. You actually have me thinking that you may be on to something regarding the idea of two raptures. I plan to live as if you are correct....

Do you think that Satan actually has erected physical buildings and monuments on his asteroid?

Do you believe...that the Pyramid at Giza holds some secret?

What of so called "alien" encounters. Are these the efforts of Satan through his fallen angels to create a smoke screen or excuse for when they appear on earth after the war in Heaven?

Do you not see that the Roman Catholic Church is the Mother of Harlots and that her "daughters" are the various denominations that have fallen into aposticy?

Why is there a delay in your time table between the 1st Rapture and the beginning of the 70th week? I did not see where you ever explained your reasoning on this.

I look forward to hearing from you. It is more clear to me that you have been given insight into some things. I am more inclined to rethink my possition than I am to doubt some of your findings. Thanks again for sending me you excellent book! At some point I would like to read your other one, too....

With a heart that loves the Son

My reply

I'm so glad you liked my book. As for the understanding I have, give God the credit. I prayed to understand everything God wanted man to know about the Bible. After he woke me up in absolute terror and said to me, "Be still and know that I am God," and my heart quieted instantly, it was about 20 more years before I understood what took place that night. I was reading the Septuagint and the light dawned when I read Job 15:14,15. It says, "For when the Lord speaks once, or a second time, sending a dream, or in the meditation of the night; (as when a dreadful alarm happens to fall upon men, in slumberings on the bed:) then opens he the understanding of men." Now, I realize that is when he opened my understanding for it was after that when I began to find answers to my questions and discover things in the Bible that others had overlooked....

I am only human, I can be wrong. I am not a prophet. Numbers 12:6 says, "If there be a prophet among you, I the LORD will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream." I have had no vision and was awake when I heard him speak.

However, the message I would like to get across (and that you seem to have taken to heart) is that if there is a possibility of the Rapture taking place as soon as I think it will, we should prepare ourselves now and not wait. We are told several times in Scripture to be filled with the Holy Spirit, and that is what we need to pay attention to, regardless of when the Rapture takes place. To be filled, we have to confess our known sins so he will cleanse us of "all unrighteousness" (I John 1:9). Then we are filled with his Holy Spirit and are wearing the white wedding garments. This is how we should live, day by day, regardless of when the Rapture does take place.

> Do you think that Satan actually has erected physical buildings and
> monuments on his asteroid?

All I know is what Isa. 22:15-19 indicates. It says, "Go, get thee unto this treasurer, even unto Shebna ('who nests himself'), which is over the house, and say, What hast thou here? (finished Tower of Babel) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-indwelt False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (at Babylon), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (an asteroid, piece of his planet Rahab that blew apart)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country (Iraq, not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die (the Lake of Fire will be there), and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station (i.e., orbit), and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

> Do you believe...that the Pyramid at Giza holds some secret?

I don't know. The things that intrigue me about the pyramid are these. The builders made a 4" mistake in laying it out on the ground to start construction. Thus the capstone did not fit and was never put on. Some equate this with Christ as the stone which the builders rejected. Another thing is the enormity of the job if done by human beings. The weight and size of the stones is only part of it. We don't even have the technology today to fit stones so tight that a dollar bill or a piece of gold foil can't be slipped between them. I keep wondering, "Did humans build these? or did the giants of old (angelic/human hybrids, Gen. 6:4) build them?" Maybe we will know some day.

> What of so called "alien" encounters. Are these the efforts of Satan
> through his fallen angels to create a smoke screen or excuse for when they
> appear on earth after the war in Heaven?

They are demonic efforts to confuse man. They appear in all kinds of shapes. Things are seldom the same in the different accounts. As in Genesis 6:4, "There were giants in the earth in those days; and ALSO AFTER THAT." It seems that they bred hybrid giants in those days and are either trying to breed hybrid small people in our day or to make us think they are. All I am sure of is that these manifestations are demonic, that they are able to appear in whatever form they please and to put thoughts into our minds. The demons are real, but what else is real is hard to say.

My two kids saw an unexplained light one night. It hovered still between two mountains as long as they watched it with two others that had driven out ahead of them to show this phenomenon to them, but when they turned away and then looked back, it was gone. They ended up with a blowout?, their car going over a cliff, overturned, but caught by a small tree. Another car was abandoned on down at the bottom of the ravine. Something was going on out there. What, we don't know.

Go to Biblical Prophecy and the Coming Days of the "Pale Horse" Storm (see my link page) for an account of another who saw something quite startling himself. He too, knows that they are demons.

> Do you not see that the Roman Catholic Church is the Mother of Harlots and that
> her that daughtersthat are the various denominations that have fallen into aposticy?

"THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH" of Rev. 17:5, was the Mystery Religion set up by Nimrod and Semiramis at the Tower of Babel. The Catholic Church is a mixture of this mystery religion wearing a cloak of Christianity. It came along too late along the track of time to be the "MOTHER."

> Why is there a delay in your time table between the 1st Rapture and the
> beginning of the 70th week? I did not see where you ever explained your
> reasoning on this.

When Israel first became a nation when they came out of Egypt, they were to keep the Jubilee in 50 years. In our days, Israel was reborn as a nation in 1948. That plus 50 = 1998. The parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9 explains the gap between the Rapture in 1998 and the beginning of the Tribulation.

Then for the other end of the framework. When the Israelites came out of Egypt, the 19-year olds were the young. Only the males 20 and up were counted. When they went into the promised land after 40 years, it was the 19 + 40 year olds who went into the land.

In modern days, Israel was reborn in 1948. That + 19 = 1967, the Sign of the End of the Age. This fit the Fig Tree Parable of Mt. 24:32-34. "When his branch is yet tender ('apalos,' young, i.e., no more than 19), and putteth forth leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, Sinai, in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (the war started June 5, summer started June 21). So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Rapture is near, even at the doors (plural, i.e., 2 Raptures). Verily I say unto you, This generation (that saw the fig tree grow) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." 1948 + 19 = 1967 + 40 = 2007.

The last 2300 days is the shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:14).

Thus, we have the Pre-Trib Rapture on Pentecost in 5758 (our 1998), the beginning of the Seventieth Week of Daniel on the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) in 5761 (our 2001), and the end of the shortened Tribulation on Tishri 1, 5768 (our 2007).

Incoming e-mail, Re: Howdy

Hey! I *loved* your book ("End of the Age"). You really do your homework. And I'm glad I finally found your Web page....

My reply

I'm glad you "loved" my book. Wish I had time to work on Web page. I have so much to put on and so little time.

What magazine subscriptions? I don't have time for any....

His reply

...You do such wonderful, marvelous work. I sure hope as many people can get the message as possible. I think the info that Pathfinder is gathering on Mars also proves your points: They show those huge rocks tossed around as if in some catastrophic flood. Having planet Rahab explode like that surely jostled the entire solar system!

BTW, I've always called the planet Astra. Do you know if there's a study anywhere that shows the original diameter of the planet given the combined mass of the asteroid belt? Using computer modling, I'm sure they could not only figure out the size, but also the original orbit and position when it blew up. Fascinating stuff. And even more curious that it seems our scientists somehow aren't interested in such vast planetary rubble....

My reply

Howdy...: I lived in Indiana until WW 2, then moved to Tennessee. "Howdy" became natural to me from then on. Lived in Kingsport and then Oak Ridge before moving to California, maybe in 1955.

Thanks for your reply. After driving over 100 miles today, "You do such wonderful, marvelous work." is music to my ears. I am very tired and ache all over, and still have to get some books ready to mail early in the morning. I needed that boost.

I must get time to search for more on the new stuff from Mars. I do think the rough angular boulders strewn around are from Rahab/Astra/Phaeton. Rocks tumbled by water much would be worn smooth.

I call it Rahab because the Bible does. Some of our astronomers have called it Astra. The Russians call it Phaeton. Sitchen said the Sumerians called it Nibiru and that it was a large planet.

I have read that, according to our astronomers, the material in the asteroid belt would not make a very big planet, but I think it was a large planet. The debris has been diminished by striking other planets. If I remember right, examination of some meteorites indicate that they came from a large planet. There was a dense iron core plus differentiated layers of material too. Just lately, they have found that from the slight mass of asteroids, it looks now like many of them are just rubble heaps loosely held together....

His reply

Howdy! I certainly hope everything has been going well for you, and that you are continuing doing the Lord's good work!...

I do have a question of a research nature, however, and have not found an answer in your large volume of literature on-line or in your book. (I haven't yet ordered the new ones, sorry!)

I've read the Torah Anthology, at least through Genesis. And I find it very interesting. Two things caught my attention when reading your Web site that reminded me of some stuff I caught in the Torah: you compare the two raptures to the stories of Noah and Lot. At first I found that remarkable, but then I remembered my Torah studies.

Noah was the only person left in the world who remembered God. So God told him to gather up the animals and build an ark, so that Noah and his family could be saved. Some interesting ancillary points:

* Noah had very white, curly hair. It made my heart flutter when I read that, because ever since I was a child I had always pictured Noah as having an abundance of very white hair.

* Before the flood, animals and man got along fine. This is how it was so easy for Noah to gather them up. After the flood God warned Noah that the animals would now fear him.

* Everyone before the flood was a vegitarian. (Which is in the Bible.)

* Noah was not perfect.

It's that last point that I found curious. If a parallel is drawn between Noah and Lot -- as you have done -- then it dawned upon me that the Torah reported both of these men to be less than perfect.

For example, whilie Noah was worthy enough to be saved, he was not entirely blessed like Adam. According to the Torah, Noah committed two wrongs after the flood: He planted a vineyard (1) and he became drunk (2). Because of this, the Torah argues, he cannot be compared with Adam.

Likewise, Lot was not a perfect person. The story of Lot runs parallel to the story of Abraham. The Torah sais that Abraham kept all four tent flaps open, inviting in all guests. Lot, on the other hand (as well as the people of Sodom) were not, er, the best of hosts. The story is about how to treat guests, with Abraham being the proper example and Lot not. In fact, the Torah comes right out and says that Lot was wicked, which is why he was living in Sodom and not with his uncle.

Anyhoo, Lot gets saved. And you compare this to the second rapture. I can draw a further parallel in that those saved by the second rapture will indeed be living with the wicked! However, in both Noah's and Lot's case, though they be worthy they're not perfect.

Now I'm too immature a Biblical philosopher to draw any conclusions from this....do we need to? Does the story of Noah typify the upcoming rapture in that we will be lifted from the earth but somehow still be corruptable? Now I realize that all spirits can be corrupted, otherwise there would be no demons. But does Noah's drunkeness somehow foretell our possible future after the rapture? Could it be that some are so elated that they forget a grander mission and actually "get drunk" during the Marriage Feast?

And what of Lot's wife? Will there be those in the second rapture who actually have a chance to "look back?" And will they be sodiumchlorified? Also, Noah prepared on his own. Lot had to be urged -- in person -- to leave Sodom. Will it be the same the second time around?

God Bless You, Marilyn! I truly believe there is a parallel between your work and the work of the Magi in the Nativity. They divined the clues left by Daniel to get the birth date of Christ, and I believe you have done so with his return (or at least the initial fly-by).

My reply

Thanks for your kind words concerning my work. The mail just came with the cover of my new book. First time I have seen it, and you are the first to know it. Strange thing, I dressed in almost the same red-orange of the cover today, something I don't often wear. On the front, it says,

"REVELATIONS 2000
YOUR GUIDE TO BIBLICAL PROPHECY FOR THE NEW MILLENNIUM."

Among other things, like "ARE YOU PREPARED," on the back, it says,

"THE MASTER KEY TO REVELATIONS

M.J. Agee, the extraordinary Bible scholar who unlocks secrets and reveals mysteries with a depth of insight that continues to amaze readers, now illuminates scripture's final drama: the end times. Revelations 2000 is your guide and interpreter for the Bible's single most important book, revealing exactly when and where the major millennial events will occur--even providing prime clues that point to the actual location of Heaven."

As for the Jewish month and day of the month of the Second Advent, that is in the Old Testament. Ezekiel 29:17 sets the date as the "first month, in the first day of the month." Ezek. 45:18,21 show that this is Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year and Sacred Year. Then Ezek. 29:21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (i.e., the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."...

Noah was also the only one left that was "a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God" (Gen. 6:9). The wicked angels had produced hybrid creatures (Gen. 6:2-4) so the Messiah could not come in pure human flesh, so they thought. God had other ideas. Noah was "perfect in his generations," so mankind started over with Noah.

No man is perfect, each has inherited Adam's sin nature, that which was marred in him when he sinned. So Noah was not perfect, but he "walked with God," as "Enoch walked with God; and he was not; for God took him" (Gen. 5:24). David was not perfect, but he was a man after the Lord's own heart. He studied the scriptures. He confessed his sin and it was forgiven. This shows what we should do when we sin. After confessing our known sins, God cleanses us from ALL unrighteousness (I John 1:9). Then we are in God's eyes as wise virgins wearing white garments. We are filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit.

In Lot's case, yes, he was living among the wicked, as the Tribulation saints will be doing.

This body we live in is sometimes referred to as the body of sin. After the Raptures, we will not sin. We will be changed, and will not sin. In heaven, "there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie; but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Rev. 21:27).

As for looking back. I wouldn't chance it. I like your word, "sodiumchlorified." I have assumed it meant mineral salts in general. Lot was led out by angels because at the second Rapture, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven" (Mark 13:27).

> Also, Noah prepared on his own. Lot had to be urged -- in person -- to
> leave Sodom. Will it be the same the second time around?

To qualify to be chosen as the Bride of Christ and go in the first Rapture, we have to prepare ourselves (use I John 1:9). The remainder of the Body of Christ will be collected by angels at a time when there is such desperation, for the terror of terrors is coming, that I don't think they will need urging, unless, as in Lot's case, it is to hurry.

They are caught up between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals. Rev. 6:12f says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne (crowned Tishri 1), and from the wrath of the Lamb (at the Judgment Seat of Christ later this day, both believers in Heaven and nonbelievers on Earth will receive their just rewards): For the great day of his wrath is come (on Tishri 1, The Feast of Trumpets, first day of the Millennium); and who shall be able to stand."

Incoming e-mail, Subject: secrets of secrets, ordering info

Thank you for the interesting web sight. I would like to read the entire book of Exit 2007: The Secrets of Secrets Revealed, could you please e-mail me and let me know how I may order it.

I have always been interested in prophecy and have subscribed to the works and interpretations of both Hal Lindsay and Chuck Missler, the latter I believe also sees the possibility of a Pentecost rapture. Do you see the end of the age of the grace, coming to a close with a predetermined number?

Does eternal security play a part, and if not, in your opinion what constitutes an unconfessed sin? I have always believed at any given moment we are in a sinful state, but the Lord promises to cleanse us from all unrighteousness according to 1 John 1:9. I take that to mean that as long as I confess the known sin in my life, that which the Holy Spirit has made aware to me, He will cleanse me from that which I am not aware of.

It has also been my understanding that God's time table reverts back to the Jewish nation, and their last seven years, following the rapture. This is seen with the sealing of the 144,000. If all believers were not raptured, the age of grace would still be present, and this would be evident by the Holy Spirit's ministries. Which are very different in the old testament, when compared to the day of Pentecost, and the birth of the church. Taking the above into consideration, it would be necessary to separate the two dispensations completely, and this would be done at one instant, i.e. the rapture.

If you would, please alert me to the scripture references that you use, (perhaps your book will answer these questions) for the reason you believe in two raptures of believers before the Great Tribulation. I understood the pretrib rapture, to be indicative of the Philadelphia believer, being kept out of the hour of testing. While, those washed in the blood of the lamb, are the Laodicean martyrs, who must be beheaded as a result of their new found faith. Meanwhile, those out of fellowship would face the Judgment seat of Christ, with their gifts of wood, hay and stubble.

This is a fate we do not spend enough of our time considering. The consequences of our " work " for the Lord after becoming believers, is so very important to God. He puts such a high price on our motives to serve Him, we simply don't comprehend the significance of the Judgment seat of Christ. Along with the awesome responsibility to run the race set before us.

Scripture points out in the letters to the believers at the Corinthian church, how serious it is to remain in deep sin, because despite, our sinful nature we are still bone of His Bone and Flesh of His Flesh. This is as a result of our new spiritual birth.

Having said all of this, I again, commend you and your web sight, we should all be spurned on and encouraged to live holy lives, seeking to do the Fathers will, and I know for myself you and others like you play a vital role in opening the spiritual eyes, to an eternal perspective, and the glory of the age to come.
Even so, come quickly Lord Jesus. Maranatha

My reply

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I think the time is set, but the Lord knows ahead of time how many will be included. There is a good chance that the total saved in the end will equal the fallen angels. Maybe we will replace them in the Lord's administration. We are not going to play harps all the time for eternity.

Eternal security comes into play in the second Rapture. At that time, at the end of the Shortened Tribulation just before the Wrath of God is poured out (therefore Pre-Wrath), all members of the Body of Christ will be in Heaven. You understand I John 1:9 correctly.

It seems that all three ages, Age of the Gentiles, Age of the Jews, and Age of the Church, will have this extension (including the Tribulation) added. The Lord will deal with all mankind, but especially with the Jews. Other nations will be judged on how they treat the Jews. We are to understand both "time and judgment." The Tribulation ends in judgment. I think that if the Jews would turn to Christ before the Pre-Trib Rapture, the Tribulation would not take place.

For the scriptures you want, go to ""Two Raptures" on my Web site:

Salvation is a free gift, but to be chosen as the Bride of Christ and be taken to Heaven in the first Rapture is a prize to be worked for.

All believers will arrive in Heaven before the catastrophe, but the second Rapture will be like in the days of Lot. Fire will fall that same day. They will be caught up between the sixth seal of Rev. 6:12 and the seventh seal of Rev. 8:1. Read about them in Rev. 7.

Thanks for your kind words. I just want every believer to be ready and not miss being chosen as the Bride of Christ because of their lukewarmness. We must be wearing those white garments and have plenty of the oil of the Holy Spirit in our lamps. Scripture says to be filled with the Holy Spirit, and we should be filled. In Rev. 17:14, those "with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

My heartfelt thanks to all who like my Web Site. God's wonderful blessings on you all. May we meet at the assembly in Heaven right after the Rapture.

In Christ,
Marilyn
(Mrs.) Marilyn J. Agee


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