Pro and Con 130, Uploaded 6-19-98

Note: I got a FAX from a friend showing the lineup in the morning sky at 4:30 AM, June 18, 1998. In a smoothly ascending wide arc, we have from left to right, Venus, Saturn, the Moon (last quarter) and Jupiter. I appreciate receiving this drawing. He also informed me that hits on my Web site have passed 144,000.

I am flabbergasted. I never expected this. I am just an ordinary person that just happened to have studied the Bible as hard as I could go since before 1960. I have never had a hankering to be famous, or to be in the limelight. I did not do it for money. I just wanted to understand the Bible for my own knowledge. I am a writer, but the glory belongs to the Lord, not to me. I asked him what he wanted me to do early on and just followed his leading. He showed me that I was to publish and conceal not when I did not know exactly what it was I was to write. I just had to keep on studying and writing and wait to see how it all came out. I had to have blind faith that he would guide me to do his bidding.

As it turns out, my first date was to wake up the virgins. I had no idea that was what it was all about until lately, but for some reason, I kept repeating like a broken record that I wanted to be everyone's wake-up call. Sometimes, the Lord doesn't show us what we need to know until we need to know it.

I can see now why I did not know about the Orthodox calendar, and did not think about there being any possibility of a delay. If I had had any inkling that there could be a delay, I would have examined Scripture with a microscope. I would have looked at every possibility I could think of. That is my way. I have a built-in need to know things, lots of things, not just the meaning of Scripture.

Because of the way the information I needed seemed to fall in my path through the years, I know that if I was to have understood the delay, that information would have come to me in some way. I was not supposed to go that far. Now I understand that.

I also understand something else that I wondered about before. I wondered why God chose me for the publish and conceal not bit. Why not R.B. Thieme. He studies all the time as I do, and he knows Hebrew and Greek. I have to use Concordances, Lexicons and Green's Interlinear Bible. I got an inkling when I sent him a letter asking if he wanted to read my first book. His answer: he was too busy. Now, I realize more fully why someone in the limelight was not chosen. I am just an ordinary citizen on this planet. I can afford to fall on my face when the May 31 date passes. Someone that is a pastor of a congregation or in the public eye cannot afford to do that. They have a reputation to uphold. They cannot afford to be wrong.

Me? I don't worry about it. It does not affect my faith one bit. I know that I have followed the Lord's leading and that it all fits into his plan somehow. I just delve into the Bible as time allows and try to understand, as always.

Right now, I feel, is the most important time of my life to hang in there and encourage others to do the same. I feel that this is when Satan is allowed to sift us as wheat, when we need to take on the whole armour of God, "and having done all, to stand" (Eph. 6:13).

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I admire you for your dogged determination to stick with the Word. You've often said that if it's there in black and white, you believe it, but if not, then you test it very carefully. I think that there is an effort being made right now, a very subtle one, to devastate the faith of many through distractions that seem spiritual but are not.

I believe that the Pentecost rapture WAS the right time. In the parable of the 10 virgins, they knew when the bridegroom was expected. And they went out to meet him at that time, just as we did. But now, just as in the parable, we are in "tarry" mode. He's tarrying. We don't know when He will finally show up... but we DO know when He was expected. Only now, at this point, the parable teaches us that we do not know. I stress again: we knew when He "should" have come; we knew when He was *supposed* to come; but now He is tarrying, and we just have to live with that. Perhaps now the doctrine of imminency has some validity :-)

Now, our test has broadened significantly: keeping ourselves unspotted by sin, just as before, but especially now we must keep our eyes on Jesus instead of any particular dates. There was a time for that, but now we tarry at His feet, just as He tarries. And we all yearn for the day our redemption. If we keep our eyes on Him, we'll have the strength to prevail against the evil one. I tell you, this attempt to shipwreck our faith is a subtle one, more so than most of us are used to.

Unfortunately, I don't think He will come on June 20/21. But it certainly won't be long. They've got a temple to build in Israel, but I think we have to be gone first. And the last one took 46 years to build. According to our understanding of Daniel, Matthew, and Revelation, (which is a lot clearer concerning the tribulation than concerning the rapture) the tribulation has to be over in 2007, thus starting no later than 2001. Three years. The clock's ticking. Maybe we will finish this conversation in Heaven? Keep looking up! We've just about run the race, and it's all over but the shouting, if we keep ourselves clean! In the Love of Jesus

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While I'm not sure if we can really know the date of the Rapture, I do know it is soon. I have been watching and reading your pro/con reports for about a year now. It warms my heart to see so many children with their finger tips and nose pressed against the window pane looking and hoping for the soon return of our Lord any minute.

In 1988 when the book about the 88 reason that Jesus would return in 88 was circulating, I found it interesting to ask those around me what they thought. I was invariably met with "That would be nice, but I hope He waits till......, (whatever time or event transpired that was really on their minds and hearts) It always left me sad because I couldn't think of anything that I wanted more. The cry of the Spirit and the Bride is Maranatha Come Lord Jesus, not wait till .......

Is he perhaps tarrying because we (The Church) are not calling out for his return?? Exodus 3:9 Are we perhaps too comfortable in our existence, and being blind do not see our need??? Psalm 72:12

As we all know, that September came and went like many others before and since, but I didn't give up the watch (or cry). Bless you Marilyn, for keeping the excitement of this "NEW WATCH" before us. MARANATHA LORD JESUS, WE ARE WATCHING AND WAITING!!!

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Rapture Worries
I love your website and really look forward to the Rapture and the second coming. I really believe it is very close - the signs are all around us now. I especially believe you are %100 correct about your predictions.

I have a problem. My family and I will be raptured out, but we worry about what is going to be done with our stuff when you go. Can you give us some advice on this? Thank you and God bless you

My reply

I'm not much help on that. One gave power of attorney to a non-Christian, but I don't know any way I could do the same. I have a feeling that wills will not be honored until a missing person has been gone seven years. I cannot imagine that would do much good. It is a good thing I don't have enough to worry about. It is inconsequential in my case.

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Mid-Night is a "season"
I myself was looking to "May 31-June 01" for an event of the manifestation of His Glory into this natural world -- but not in the context of what you/others call "the rapture".

I wanted to write you tonight and share with you my insights into this "the Mid-Night changing of the days from the 6th 1,000 year day -- to the 7th 1,000 year day from Adam".

The Holy Spirit pointed me to that event occuring in "time" at "May 31-June 01" with Him specifically having pointed to both "dates". When they came and went with no manifestation of His Glory into this natural world, I with that knowledge went back searching with the tools of revelation He has provided me with.

What I have learned is that "MID-NIGHT IS A SEASON". Then flowing from that, bringing me to exactly this morning, that "THIS MID-NIGHT SEASON IS (__) DAYS LONG". "May 31" brought us to this Mid-Night Season and "June __" is on the other side of this Mid-Night Season. (I am sorry to leave out these "days identification numbers". The reason I am doing so is in obedience to His command to me "Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God." Romans 14:22. -- Please forgive me in this ommission.) But that does not forbid me from writing this:

Knowing that we are looking for the start of "God's Hidden 8th Day", and that it starts at the same time as the Mid-Night start of the 7th 1,000 year day, and that "Mid-Night is a Season", and that it brings in "the redemption of the purchased possession" end of "Pentecost", and that Pentecost was May 31 this year -- this scripture now is very insightful: "And when the day of Pentecost WAS FULLY COME". In God's way of dealing with time, it will probably be make known that "the day of Pentecost (May 31) IS FULLY COME when we reach the end of this "season of Mid-Night".

This is what I wanted to write to you tonight "WHEN IT IS FULLY COME". So I went to your site to get your email address and was surprised at your heading! Because you are looking "close" to this time-frame.

And, yes "the third watch of the night" starts at this Mid-Night.

My reply

> "the Mid-Night changing of the days from the 6th 1,000 year day -- to the 7th
> 1,000 year day from Adam".

According to the work I did on Bible Chronology, it looks to me that 5758 (our 1997/1998) is the 6000th year since man bagan to be tried as mortal and knowing both good and evil, i.e., when Adam was cast out of Eden. The civil year begins on Tishri 1. The sixth month begins on Nisan 1, which has past this year. Wouldn't that be the mid point?

I just had a thought. The Eastern Orthodox Pentecost began at 6:00 PM on June 6/7 in Jerusalem. In 30 AD, after Pentecost was fully come and a crowd had gathered, Peter said that it was the equivalent of 9:00 AM. That was 12 hours of night and 3 hours of the day, or 15 hours. If those hours would happen to typify days, June 7 plus 15 days, counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, would bring us to June 21. I hope that is the day we will see Christ as described in Rev. 1:13-16. At that time, he is seen in the midst of the churches in Heaven. He has in his hand the seven star performers that he has just plucked up.

At that time, will we hear him announce with great authority, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending...which is (at the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), the Almighty"? John fell at his feet as dead, then said, "he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death" (Rev. 1:17,18).

In Rev. 4:10,11, the 24 elders that represent the whole assembly fall down and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

We know the 24 elders represent all taken up in the Pre-Trib Rapture as the 24 priests on duty represented the whole priesthood, for Rev. 5:9 says, "they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION."

It behooves us to be part of this group, for the next verse says, "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, over) the earth." The tribulation saints seen in Rev. 7 are from "all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (v. 9), but they "serve him day and night in his temple" (v. 15). The rewards are greater for those caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. We should pay attention to the the words in Rev. 3:11. Jesus said, "Behold, I come quickly; Hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."

Right now, when the open door is set before us (Rev. 3:8), is when we are told by Jesus to "HOLD THAT FAST WHICH THOU HAST." That means that it is possible to lose our crown. We must hold fast until we go through that open door. Don't let anything or anyone cause you to not hold fast now. We have come this far. All we need is a bit more patience, and we will hear the voice like a trumpet saying, "Come up hither."

Father, I pray for all that read this, that they will hold fast and go through the open door when you are ready for us to enter Heaven. Help us to be patient and to be overcomers. I ask in Jesus' name, Amen.

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10 Sundays
I just wanted to thank you for posting the information about June 21 being 10 Sundays from firstfruits. I had been watching on May 21 (25 Iyar) to see if anything significant would happen on that day since it was 10 days before what we thought at that time was Pentecost. I couldn't get it out of my mind, the 10 day waiting period. So I was excited to see this!! 10 Sundays! Sure seems to be all fitting together nicely....winter is past(Song of Sol 2:11), summer is nigh (Luke 21:30)....couldn't be any closer to fitting this description than the very last moment of spring. Also, look at Jeremiah 48:32...the spoiler is fallen upon they summer fruits, Daniel 2:35 speaks of the "chaff of the summer threshingfloor", Amos speaks sorrowfully of a "basket of summer fruit" and how the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, Micah 7 says "Woe is me! for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: there is no cluster to eat: my soul desireth the FIRSTRIPE fruit." Looks like we want to make sure we are not the summer fruit!! Looking forward to a spring rapture! Much Love

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Marilyn, my dear and precious sister in Christ,

I wrote you once before and doubt that you've received any e-mail from Germany. Your web site has not only fascinated me but kept me abreast of all the increcible work the LORD is doing in and through you and others. As a matter of fact I have printed out almost all articles and Pro's and Con's listed on your site.

As for me I am convinced that you are right on and that we will be raptured out on this coming Sunday, June 21. I have shared this with many believers but so far it was met with very little interest but with much resentment and unbelief. Even my sweet wife is not convinced and very cautious about any dates. What can I do for her to listen to us? I don't want her to stay behind, it would be aweful. What do I do with all the guilt which is piling up in me as other believers shrugg off this event?

Marilyn, I know that you are extremely busy and I don't even expect you to get back to me. In any case I look forward meeting you in the air! You are such a blessing and joy! Hang in there - soon very soon .... Maranatha - in HIS glorious Agape and abounding Grace

My reply

Yes, I have heard from Germany. Also, my brother and his family lived there for awhile and loved it.

It is a good thing our being raptured does not depend on our understanding exactly when the Rapture is ;-)

We are to be called, and chosen and faithful. Look at the list of things to add to our faith in II Peter 1:4-11. Knowing the date of the Rapture is not among them. Verses 10 and 11 say, "brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an ENTRANCE shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

Rev. 3:2,3 shows that we should be "watchful" and that if we don't watch, we will not know what hour he will come. However, that won't matter if we are ready. The problem in not watching is taking the chance of it happening when we are not prepared, when we do not have enough oil, as is the case with the foolish virgins.

How about approaching people with something like, "What if the Rapture were to take place this Sunday, would you be ready? World events alone show that it draws near."

If we were taking a long trip here on Earth, we would prepare for it. Likewise, we should prepare for a longer trip.

When the children of Israel were about to be taken out of Egypt, they did not know what hour they would start out, but were told to be dressed with their shoes on their feet.

What are we told? "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. STAND THEREFORE, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and WATCHING thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints" (Eph. 6:13-18).

Right now, we need to heed this advice to be able to stand in spite of "the fiery darts of the wicked." Testing does not last forever.

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Re: Trumpet + Shout = Ascension
Thank you so much for alerting so many Christians to what is about to happen.

God has a special blessing for you for this important "call to watch" that so many have responded to, as the curtain is about to go up for the opening act of God's great end time play. Men are making their normal everyday plans - life goes on just as in the days of Noah - not a hint that something of huge import, or should I say export, is about to take place!

The Holy Spirit showed me this comparison in the Word recently and I thought it may bless you and your readers - God bless them:

Joshua 6 : 5
And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the SOUND OF THE TRUMPET, all the people shall shout with a GREAT SHOUT; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people SHALL ASCEND UP every man straight before him.

1 Thessalonians 4 : 16 & 17
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the VOICE OF THE ARCHANGEL and with the TRUMPET CALL of God, and the dead in Christ WILL RISE first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Thank you once again Marilyn, See you soon, Best wishes

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I have been reading some of your articles, not all as yet, and find them provocative and very interesting. I do have one question, which could be answered in articles that I have not read, however, hopefully you will be kind enough to answer anyway.

If there is a second rapture (i.e, pre-wrath), who will be left to populate the millenium after the tribulation ends?

Thank you, in advance, for your answer.

My reply

Israel is to be born in a day, the day of the second Rapture (Isa. 66:8). There will be others that finally see the light. There are another seven months before the Judgment of the Nations takes place too. Also, I think the Israelite Old Testament saints will be put back on Earth, except some, like Abraham, will choose Heaven instead.

Heb. 11:15,16 says, "And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly."

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I`ve been following each new Pro and Con that you upload. Recent ones have had some discussion concerning Ron Wyatt. I don`t know if you are aware that he has a web site called Anchor Stones: Wyatt Archaeological Research. There is also an email address: B There is quite a bit of good information published at that site. Hope this helps.

My reply

I've been there, but am not sure about this. HOW COULD THE MERCY SEAT BE SO CLOSE TO THE CEILING OF THE CAVE SINCE THE CHERUBIM WERE MADE OF ONE PIECE WITH THE MERCY SEAT? He said that the top of the Ark was 18" from the ceiling of the cave.

I did not cause that to be capitalized. Neither the caps lock nor shift key were down.

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I was perusing your site the other day and reading the fruits of your study in scriptures regarding a likely date for the fullfilment of our hope in Christ Jesus.There are some pretty awesome comparisons and pictures of our union to Him. To see Him and to be where He is. What joy.

However in reading further, there are several references to those who are luke warm as the Laodesians were and those who are watching and are being wise servants, taking care of His matters until our Master's return. That those who were watching would be taken by Him in the first Rapture; those that were luke warm would then be among those saints of the tribulation.

At first I thought the reasoning appeared good; in fact, some other verses came to mind that seemed to back it up. Having a sense that indeed the time is near from things happening in Israel, world government, electric money systems etc. I wanted to know from the LORD Himself what was truth. I started feeling agitated in my spirit. I didn't know what it was from and spent the whole day praying for people who may have been going though crises at that time. But I got no word as to why I was having this annoying feeling. If I hadn't sensed this being from God, I might have just been real sour to everyone all day. Then, I sensed that I should "be of good cheer"; so when I had the opportunity, I spent some time being quiet. I then realized why I was feeling agitated but not fully. I got home from work and looked up some of these scriptures that went through my mind. It didn't occur to me until this morning what was happening (though it's still vague) when, in my daily reading of the Bible, I was reading Galations and it occurred to me that while you have great understanding of what you've been studying, you've left out God's love for His people.

Yes, there are many that confess Jesus who appear ignorant of the times; and there are those that even deny the workings of the Holy Spirit and do His work in the flesh without using faith. But Jesus did die for them and He put His most Holy Spirit in them to seal them for this day. Would the Good Shepherd, who left the ninety-nine to diligently seek out the one stray, set up standards for those who go first and for those, because they were luke warm, lost their first love, or whose works might not be complete in His sight? For if we claim we have not sinned we make Him a liar and His word is not in us. The one who laid down His life for His sheep would be zealous to have them by His side. He desires us to be with Him that we might see His glory.

God's Word repeatedly tells us that "He is able to present us spotless and with great joy to the Father" That He is the one who calls us ... "while we were still sinners". He will finish the work He began in all of us. The Spirit is even at work in those who seem to be in the Christian back waters; He does do things through them and He does get the credit. And what of the First being last and the last being first; but we are all one in Christ Jesus. The True and Faithful one in whom there is no shadow of turning.

God's love is bigger than our own understanding. His ways are always good and knowable to those who seek after Him and His knowledge.

With the utmost sincerity in Christ

My reply

I think that Christ wants his Bride to have a real strong love relationship with him. The lukewarm ones will be spewed out of the Body of Christ for chastening. By the end of the shortened Tribulation, they will have washed their robes in the blood of Christ.

Eve, Adam's bride, was taken out of the side of his body and very near the heart, a good picture of the Bride of Christ being taken out of the Body of Christ at the first Rapture.

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I'm somewhat intrigued by your view that Enoch's rapture might be a type of rapture of the church. However, are you aware that Enoch was "raptured" approximately 650 years before the flood? That's not exactly being taken up just before judgement hit. His rapture seems to be far enough removed from the time of the flood to have nothing to do with it.

My reply

Enoch was raptured. Then at the end of the last generation, represented by Methuselah, the judgment came.

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I keep coming back because I can mostly agree with what you teach. And what I am not sure about, you put together well enough for me to consider, meaning I don't dismiss it without consideration. I am considering your rapture theory. I wan't to believe your right, I hope you are. It is quiet possible that you are. What I don't like about it is the hopes that are built up, and the anxiety it creates.

  You are the first person I heard the theory from, but now I have heard it from two other sources....

My salvation is secure, so if your is as well, then perhaps we'll see each other when we are gathered unto Him, whenever that is :-)

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Marylin, tell us about that wheat field by your house.

My reply

It got rained on Monday night, and has not yet been harvested.

Note: I just got a phone call to look up 2330 and 2325 in Strongs Concordance, that summer is mentioned with the fig tree in three gospels. Number 2330 is theros, summer. Number 2325 is from 2330, in the sense of the crop. It is therizo, harvest, reap. I remember that summer is nigh in Mt. 24:32-34. On June 21, summer is nigh, ok. It arrives that same day. Food for thought.

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