Pro and Con 1303

Posted 10-28-06

Floating Pile Of Rubble A Pristine Record Of Solar System's History

A small, near-Earth asteroid named Itokawa is just a pile of floating rubble, probably created from the breakup of an ancient planet, according to a University of Michigan researcher was part of the Japanese space mission Hayabusa.

My comment

I think these asteroids came from the breakup of Satan's planet Rahab. It orbited where the Asteroid Belt is now.

My reply to Tony Ellsworth's post on Five Doves

> > Tony Ellsworth (27 Oct 2006)
"Elliakim: Key of David Rapture Study"

> > Isaiah 22:16 What hast thou here? and whom hast thou here, that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he that heweth him out a sepulchre on high, and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock? ...

> > 17Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee.

> > 18He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house.

> > 19And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down.

> > Shebna is the Palace Treasurer, while Eliakim is the Palace Administrator. They surely advised the King in important matters and indeed it was these two coupled with the recorder to go out and present to the General. If you go back and read the 2 Kings passage there is something that does not seem to fit. At the beginning it says that Hezekiah serves the Lord and takes down the high places.

I see something else in these verses. Long ago, a 22" statue of Isaiah was given to President Truman. I ran for my Bible and found the passage above. It goes with the asteroid impact of Rev. 8:10. Here is the way I interpret Isaiah 22:16-19:

"What hast thou here? (i.e., the Harlot World Church in the city of Babylon in Iraq) and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (at Babylon), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high (in a stone), and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (an asteroid left after his planet, Rahab, was blown apart)? ...Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn (the asteroid) and TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL into a large country (Iraq is large compared to tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station (in orbit) and from thy state, shall he pull thee down."

Rev. 8:8-12 says, "And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire (a piece of Satan's asteroid that split apart) was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean): and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven (the larger piece of the asteroid), burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And THE NAME OF THE STAR IS CALLED WORMWOOD: and the third part of the waters became wormwood (means bitter); and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter. And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten (i.e., obscured by smoke), and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Nov 8th, 2006?

Have you given up on Nov 8th?
thank you for Everything you have done for All of Us!!!
God Bless you and ED
til that time

My reply

You are so welcome. I appreciate your kind words and your asking God to bless us. Our car's engine gave out on us, and we had to get another vehicle. Since Ed needs a motorized chair, we got a van...

I hope the Rapture will be Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 8 in 2006), when Noah entered the Ark and it began to rain, and it could be then. In Mt. 24:37, Jesus just indicated that it would be as the days of Noah. Noah lived until 2006 AH. The Flood was in 1656, and he lived another 350 years. That makes 2006 AD sound like it could be the year of the Rapture.

However, I now think the end of the 40 days of rain is most likely. The number 40 means testing and probation. At the end of the 40 days would be at the end of a time of testing and probation for us. By the 40th day of rain in Noah's day, the Ark had floated free of the ground, as we will do at the Rapture at the end of our time of testing and probation.

All of Jesus' comings may have to do with the rain. In Hosea 6:3, we find out that Jesus will come as the former and latter rain in the first month, but that is at the First Advent on Tishri 1 and the Second Advent on Nisan 1, not necessarily at the Rapture. Yet, the Rapture is a coming, it's just in the air, not on the ground. We are to rise up and meet him in the air. When does rain have anything to do with rising up? Near the end of the 40 days of rain in Noah's day, those eight people were raised up. The Ark was finally floating on the face of the waters, free of the ground.

I keep thinking about how Haggai kept emphasizing Kislev 24, Hannukah Eve. From that date and upwards, the Lord will bless someone. If the Rapture would take place 6 hours later, at midnight, as in the parable of the wise virgins, it would happen on Hanukkah.

Haggai 2:10 says, "In the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24, Hanukkah Eve), in the second year of Darius, came the WORD of the LORD..." Rev. 19:13 says that Jesus' "name is called The Word of God'. Could Haggai 2:10 hint that the Lord would come on Kislev 24 at the time of the Rapture? Maybe not by itself, but look at Haggai 2:18-23.

It says, "Consider now from this day and UPWARD, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24), even from the day that the foundation (Jesus) of the LORD'S temple (temple of the Holy Spirit, the church) was laid (Jesus was conceived on Kislev 24), consider it. Is THE SEED (Jesus, Gen. 3:15) yet in the barn? yea (yes, Jesus was conceived), as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate (Bride, Song of Solomon), and the olive tree (with Gentiles grafted in), hath NOT BROUGHT FORTH (NASA, LIFTED UP, i.e., not on Cheshvan 17?): from this day (i.e., on Kislev 25, Hanukkah, and following?) will I bless you" (the temple of the Holy Spirit).

There are two Raptures. Haggai 2:20-23 could be talking about the second one, the Rapture of the Tribulation saints. It says, "And AGAIN the word of the LORD came unto Haggai in the four and twentieth day of the month, saying, Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying, I will (future tense, i.e., at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation) shake the heavens and the earth; And I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms, and I will destroy the strength of the kingdoms of the heathen; and I will overthrow the chariots, and those that ride in them; and the horses and their riders shall come down, every one by the sword of his brother. In that day (i.e., the Feast of Trumpets), saith the LORD of hosts, will I take thee (i.e., at the Rapture of the Tribulation saints), O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts." The LORD of hosts is Christ, the Redeemer. He is both the LORD King of Israel and the LORD of hosts (Isa. 44:6).

The 40th day of rain was Kislev 27. Will the Rapture take place on Kislev 25, 26 and 27? According to how the weight was distributed, the Ark may have taken three days to entirely be free of the ground. Those three days will be Dec. 16, 17 and 18 in 2006. We don't have long to wait to see if the Rapture takes place this Hanukkah.

Hanukkah is four months before barley harvest (Teveth, Shevat, Adar and Nisan). That ties in with John 4:35. Jesus said, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest." It is the first harvest, that of barley, because barley turns white at harvest time. Barley was harvested after the first omer was offered on Firstfruits, Nisan 16. The 4 months would NOT fit a Rapture on Cheshvan 17, when Noah entered the Ark.

What are your thoughts on this? Agape

My after-thoughts

The Hebrew word nasa means lift up. In our days, NASA lifts people up in the space shuttle. Gen 7:17 says, "And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up (nasa, lifted up) the ark, and it was lift up above the earth."

Not only does nasa mean lifted up, it also means marry. That seems significant, for all the people lifted up in the Ark were married. All the animals even went into the Ark in pairs. In our days, the Bride of Christ will be the group lifted up in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

It was at the Feast of Dedication that Jesus said, "MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE." Will the Bride of Christ keep Hanukkah, the Feast of the Dedication, in Heaven?

John 10:22-28 says, "IT WAS AT JERUSALEM THE FEAST OF THE DEDICATION, AND IT WAS WINTER. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, AND I KNOW THEM, AND THEY FOLLOW ME: AND I GIVE UNTO THEM ETERNAL LIFE; AND THEY SHALL NEVER PERISH".

Incoming e-mail, Re: the alignment might have significance

All the very best Marilyn to you and your hubby. My husband, also, has Parkinsons and it truly is a struggle day by day. God bless

On October 24th 2006, Planet Earth is going to bear witness to a comparatively rare alignment of planets in the Solar System. This alignment is known as a planetary cluster and occurs when 5 or more planets align in the same area of the ecliptic (apparent path of the Sun). On this occasion the planets will occupy the portion of the ecliptic in the region of 210 - 240 degrees longitude i.e., the area we designate as belonging to the sign of Scorpio.

The cluster begins on 24th October at 10.48am BST when Venus enters Scorpio, joining the Sun and Mars in a triple conjunction and Mercury, Jupiter and the Moon in a second triple conjunction. The stellium itself begins when all 5 planets (the moon will have moved on) conjoin, within 20 degrees of arc, on 30 October at 18.52 GMT.

This planetary stellium will then last for an amazing 16 days, 22 minutes and 17 seconds ending on November 16th at 17.09 GMT. The average amount of time for a cluster to persist is 1-2 days. The last time there was a cluster of 5 planets which lasted anywhere near as long was May 5th, 2000. That alignment lasted for 13 days....

Saturn is in the regal sign of Leo

My reply

Thanks. This alignment does seem significant. In Gen 1:14, "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for SIGNS, and for seasons, and for days, and years".

Nov. 16 is Cheshvan 25. One month later is Dec. 16, Kislev 25, Hannakah. The 40th day of the rain in Noah's day ends on Kislev 27, Dec. 18.

I'm sorry to hear that your husband has Parkinson's too. I keep saying that at any stage, we just have to do the best we can with what we have. I try to be a problem solver....Agape

Nov 8th, the planet Mercury will pass directly in front the Sun.

Olmert backs Peres as next president


Prime Minster Ehud Olmert said Wednesday that Vice Premier Shimon Peres would be an excellent candidate for the presidency. Olmert's statement came a day after he angered Peres when he said en route to Moscow that his ideal presidential candidate would be someone from outside the political arena.

Speaking to journalists at a briefing in Moscow, Olmert said that although it was still too early to say who should be the next president, "I can think of one person in the political establishment who is very appropriate, and his name is Shimon Peres."...

"The press talks as if there is no one in politics with an international reputation," Peres told The Jerusalem Post in the Knesset cafeteria. "What, have I not written books and won a Nobel Prize? Do I not have international recognition?"...

My comment

Watch Peres. Dan 5:28 says, "PERES; Thy kingdom is divided".

West Bank: Left activists shield olive harvest,2506,L-3317516,00.html

Ynet joins group of leftist activists who took a few days off from work to act as human shields for Palestinians during olive gathering, as well as help out with the harvest
Eyal Ben

As the olive harvest in the West Bank is at its peak, so is the fear of harassment by settlers.

Is ice on the Moon just a mirage?
18 Oct 06 - Radar images dash hopes for Moonbase water supply.

Iraq's Partition

10-8-06 - The discussion within the U.S. foreign policy establishment on the future of Iraq has come to a conclusion. The U.S. will, now officially, work to dissolve the Iraqi nation and state into three independend statelets

My comment

The city of Babylon is in the Shia area. I wonder if they will switch the names.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Yom Kipper and the Exodus at 1500 BC

Here's the last installment on the High Holy Days. Enjoy!

I'd like to crow about the History Channel's show about the biblical Exodus and 1500 BC. Did you watch it? I hope you can, it was a wonderful biblical explanation. Agape Love

My reply

Thanks for the interesting article. I missed the show on TV. I was trying all day yesterday and until 2 AM today to get online. I got up at 4:15 AM and my computer was finally online, and I uploaded Pro and Con 1302. Whew! That wasn't easy. The IP address was not assigned to my computer.

> > A red ribbon was tied in the horns of the scapegoat. When the goat was led out before the people, if God accepted the sacrifice, the ribbon would miraculously turn white as a reminder of the promise that “though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool” (Isa. 1:18). It is most interesting that for the forty years between the sacrifice of Yeshua and the destruction of the Temple, the scarlet ribbon did not turn white!

> > Forty years before the Temple was destroyed the chosen lot was not picked with the right hand, nor did the crimson stripe turn white, nor did the westernmost light burn; and the doors of the Temple’s Holy Place swung open by themselves, until Rabbi Yochanon ben Zakkai spoke saying: “O most Holy Place, why have you become disturbed? I know full well that your destiny will be destruction, for the prophet Zechariah ben Iddo has already spoken regarding you saying: 'Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour the cedars'” (Zech. 11:1). (Babylonian Talmud, Yoma 39b)

The 40 years from 30 to 70 AD may parallel the 40 years from 1967 to 2007. In 30 AD, the Temple was there. In 70 AD, the Temple was gone.

The parallel in our days could be that in 1967, Israel regained the Temple Mount. We, as the Temple of the Holy Spirit are here. In 2007, the Temple of the Holy Spirit will be gone. The upcoming Hanukkah (starting Kislev 25 and lasting 8 days, Dec. 16-23, 2006) will be the last Jewish feast in 2006.

In John 4:35, Jesus said, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest (barley harvest in Nisan)? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest." Barley turns white at harvest time. The 4 months would be Kislev, Teveth, Shevat and Adar. There could be no Adar II, and 5767 is not a Jewish Leap Year. Those 4 months fit perfectly this year, 5767. They do not fit in 5768, because it is a Leap Year with the 13th month (Adar II).

Between 30 and 70 AD, the temple door opened every night in spite of it taking 20 men to close it, in spite of it's bolt going down into solid rock. It had to be a miracle of God that it opened. The door ties in with Rev. 3:8. Jesus has set before us an open door. Is it open the last 40 years we are here?

The Rapture is to be as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). Noah was shut into the Ark on Cheshvan 17. Forty days later, on Kislev 27, the 40 days of rain ended. By that time, the water had floated the Ark free of the ground. Will we be lifted up just prior to Kislev 27 (Dec. 18, 2006)?

Haggai 2:18,19 says, "Consider now from this day and UPWARD, from the four and twentieth day of the ninth month (Kislev 24, Hannukah Eve), even from the day that the foundation of the LORD'S temple was laid, consider it. Is the seed (the good seed) yet in the barn (the Lord's)? yea, as yet the vine (Jesus), and the fig tree (Israel), and the pomegranate, and the olive tree (into which Gentiles can be grafted in), hath NOT brought forth (nasa, LIFTED UP, i.e., at the Rapture): from this day (Kislev 24, Hanukkah Eve) will I bless you."

The foundation of New Jerusalem has on it the names of the apostles (Rev. 21:14), and they will be part of the Pre-Trib Rapture. The 24 elders seated on thrones in Rev. 4:4 are the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles.

In Matthew 13:23, Jesus said, "But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and BRINGETH FORTH, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty."

This year, the days following Hanukkah Eve are Kislev 25, 26 and 27. The 27th is the 40th day following Cheshvan 17, when Noah was shut into the Ark and it began to rain. The Rapture just might take place during those three days, our Dec. 16, 17 and 18. There is a good chance that the Ark lifted up during Kislev 25, 26 and 27. Agape

Ground broken for archeological center


Oct. 15, 2006 - A new state-of-the-art Israeli archaeological center that will house nearly a million archaeological objects and artifacts uncovered in the Holy Land - including thousands of Dead Sea Scrolls - is being built in Jerusalem, the Israel Antiquities Authority announced Sunday.

The multi-million dollar 'National Campus for the Archaeology of Israel' is being constructed opposite the Knesset between the Israel Museum and the Bible Lands Museum, with all the funding for the center provided by philanthropists....

The archaeological center is being named after the campus' primary donors, Jay and Jeanie Schottenstein, of Columbus, Ohio.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Mediterranean leaders to push for relaunch of peace process AP - ALICANTE, Spain - Top diplomats from 11 countries bordering the Mediterranean will produce a new batch of proposals for reviving the Middle East peace process at a two-day meeting in Spain beginning Friday

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