Pro and Con 1308

Posted 12-15-06

Major Solar Eruption - Little Comment in Western Press

My comment

It looks like a engagement ring to me.

Astronauts Forced To Take Shelter From Violent Solar Storm In Space

A Large Tsunami Shock Wave on the Sun

Incoming e-mail, Re: Some adjusted thinking

14 December 2006 - Based on the current climate of things I can almost say with certainty that nothing will happen linking Hanukkah with any great expectations.

Sometimes when I get confused trying to work out things in my head, I draw pictures because as the saying goes, "A picture says a 1000 words"

If one looks at the above picture starting with the Gregorian and Hebrew on top, and the four month countdown below, with one exception from conventional thinking. Instead of referring to calender months, I express the countdown from Full Moon to Full Moon. REASON: Ps 89:3 NKJ

The four month countdown as per John 4:35 is noted from the Full Moon on Jan 03, 2007
As per that harvest chart you referred me too, the Wheat Harvest begins in May.
Harvest chart:
Now anyone can view the time-line and try and determine that illusive UNKNOWN HOUR.
Itís got to be in there somewhere, ultimately we need to be awake at ALL times.
In all my life of reading prophetic words I have never seen such a intense united thrust of being on the watchtower. Blessings!

My reply

Let's see. In John 4:35, Jesus said, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest."

The wheat harvest is not an option. It turns yellow at harvest. Barley is the grain that turns white at harvest. Therefore, the last day of the 4th month cannot be later than Nisan 16, the Feast of Firstfruits, because the barley harvest starts that day. What feast is possible four months before the feast of firstfruits? The Feast of Dedication of the Temple, Hanukkah, is the only feast that has a chance of fitting. Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Tabernacles are in Tishri in September or October.

Since we are used to thinking in terms of our calendar, let's rough it out on the Gregorian Calendar first to see if Hannukah has a chance of being 4 months before the Feast of Firstfruits. Counting backward from April 16 (Nisan 18), the 4th month would start March 16. The 3rd month would start February 16. The 2nd month would start January 16. The 1st month would start December 16, which is Kislev 25, the first day of Hanukkah. Right off the bat, Hanukkah looks possible to me.

Let's figure it backward using the Hebrew Calendar. The 4th month would end on Nisan 16, so it would begin on Adar 16. The 3rd month would begin on Shevat 16. The 2nd month would begin on Teveth 16. The 1st month would begin on Kislev 16 (Dec. 7, 2006). That takes in Kislev 25, Hanukkah (Dec. 16, 2006).

In the proper order, these four months would run
(1) From Kislev 16 to Teveth 16 (included is Hanukkah, Kislev 25)
(2) From Teveth 16 to Shevat 16
(3) From Shevat 16 to Adar 16 (Adar 14 is Purim, Adar 15 is Shushan Purim)
(4) From Adar 16 to Nisan 16 (Firstfruits)

Generally speaking, I think Hanukkah would be spoken of as being 4 months before Firstfruits, don't you? Three months doesn't fit, and 5 months doesn't fit. Only 4 months seems possible.

We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit and the sheep of his pasture. At the Feast of Dedication of the Temple, Jesus said, "MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE...AND THEY FOLLOW ME." Doesn't that sound like the Rapture to you? The oil of one day lasted 8 days too. That reminds me of the 5 wise virgins of Mt. 25. Don't they represent the sheep that will hear his voice and follow him?

John 10:22-28 says, "And it was at Jerusalem THE FEAST OF THE DEDICATION, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, AND THEY FOLLOW ME: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
I hope the Rapture will be during Hanukkah 2006. In Mt. 24:37, Jesus indicated that it would be as the days of Noah. Noah died 350 years after the Flood of 1656 AH. He died in 2006 AH (year of man, i.e., 2006 years after Adam was created). In 1656 AD, the rings of Saturn were discovered. That seems significant, for the Lord showed Noah his bow. Agape -----------------

Jordan site may be biblical city of Sodom

May 10, 2006

...Genesis Chapter 13 says Abraham, the father of the nation of Israel, and his nephew, Lot, were in the area of the cities of Bethel and Ai, 10 miles north of Jerusalem, when Lot moved east on the Plain of the Jordan and pitched his tent as far as Sodom....

He said research, now a few weeks old, indicates that Sodom would be the southernmost city in a group of two cities and at least three villages because of the order the Bible lists them. Collins said it would also be the largest city because the Bible sometimes mentions it without naming other towns at the same time.

Collins visited sites and used potsherds to date them.

Five ruins on the plain's EAST SIDE match the locations, artifacts and time of occupation for Sodom and towns the Bible mentions in relation to it.

"It is so good archaeologically and geographically, it's almost unbelievable," he said of the match....

In a probe plot 3 meters deep, Collins found a piece of a clay storage jar with a glaze-like substance. However, Middle Eastern potters couldn't fire their work at high enough temperatures for glazing until ninth or 10th century, he said.

He said a flash event heated the pottery so much, so fast after it broke that the surface turned to glass and began flowing over the edge of the break.

Prolonged exposure to such heat causes the whole clay piece to lose its shape, but only the surface of this potsherd changed. Collins believes this indicates a flash event.

My comment

I don't think that Sodom, Gomorrah and Zoar were on the east of the Dead Sea. Sodom and Gomorrah were on the west. Zoar was south of the Dead Sea.

Sodom and Gomorrah

The Cities of the Plain
Ash and brimstone remain

The five cities of the plain have been located and the evidence is staggering. For the first time in modern history we have found round balls of brimstone, or nearly pure sulfur, embedded in an ashen area near the Dead Sea, which show clear signs of having once been ancient building structures...

Josephus Saw the Cities--Why Can't We?

The cities were located in the plain, so they should not be located in the low area now covered by the Dead Sea. These cities were well known in the first century, as Josephus said, "The traces or shadows of the five cities are still to be seen." If Josephus could see them, then we should be able to see them also. The water level of the Dead Sea has fallen since the time of Josephus, so the areas Josephus saw in his day are still visible today....

These sulfur balls are mostly golf ball sized, and some have burn marks all around them! Webster's Dictionary says that "brimstone" = sulfur. Accordingly, we have found the absolute proof that we have finally located Sodom and Gomorrah, the cities of the plain...

Each of the cities of the plain contain evidence of brimstone which God rained down upon the cities to destroy them. The brimstone is composed of 96-98 percent sulfur, with trace amounts of magnesium which create an extremely high temperature burn. This is the only place on earth where you can find 96 percent pure monoclinic sulfur in a round ball....

Cities Visible in Satellite Photos

The cities are almost entirely turned into white ash, and can be seen in the satellite photographs below.

Notice each of the cities stand out from the surrounding terrain because of the white ash contained within them....

Genesis 10:19 indicates the five cities formed the Canaanite border, thus the could not have been grouped together at the south end of the Dead Sea as popularly believed. They form a north-south line along the Jordan/Dead Sea area. Gomorrah is located at the base of Masada, and in 1998, additional formations were found in Jordan on the opposite of the Dead Sea from Gomorrah in the Lisan Peninsula, including a large cemetery area containing 1,000,000 graves. The same structures as found on the Israeli side were also found on the Jordanian side - ash, brimstone and even ceramic tile.

Ninety degree angles extending out from a wall demonstrating unnatural architecture

My comment

Gen. 10:19 (Green) says, "And the BORDER of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as you come to Gerar, as far as Gaza, as you go in towards Sodom and Gomorrah, and Admah and Zeboim, even to Lasha."

The ashen remains of Sodom & Gomorrah HAVE BEEN FOUND!!!

They are NOT located under the Dead Sea, THEY ARE RIGHT OUT IN THE OPEN! This amazing discovery was made by the late Ron Wyatt.

Gypsum crystals on top layer with white gypsum underneath. Gypsum was the product of the brimstone and limestone burning together.

Wyatt Archaeological Research - Sodom and Gomorrah

These cities are indeed unique. Other cities that have been destroyed by fire or by volcanoes, like Pompeii, have a layer of ash on top, but under that is the original material. Here however, we see entire cities completely turned to ash, exactly as the Bible describes. II Peter 2:6 "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly".

My comments

Some people think Zoar was located at the top of the Dead Sea, but I think Zoar was located south of the Dead Sea.

"Deuteronomy 34:1-4 (Green's Interlinear) says, "And Moses went up from the plains of Moab to Mount Nebo, the top of Pisgah, which is opposite Jericho (near Jerusalem and in the plain north of the Dead Sea). And Jehovah caused him to see ALL THE LAND (i.e., from the north to the south); Gilead (stretching east of the Jordah and northward) to Dan (in the north); and all Naphtali (coming around to the west of the Jordan River in the north, andt heading south of Dan), and the land of Ephraim, and Manasseh (between Naphtali and Judah), and all the land of Judah (in which is Jerusalem) to the sea beyond (from Jerusalem all the way to the Mediterranean Sea); and the Negeb (to the south of Jerusalem), and the plain of the valley of Jericho (in front of him, and at the north of the Dead Sea), the city of palm trees, to Zoar (where the Negev runs up to the southern end of the Dead Sea). And Jehovah said to him, This is the land which I have sworn to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, saying, I will give it to your seed. I have caused you to see with your eyes, but you shall not cross over there."

Sodom was near Zoar in the south. In Wars. IV. VIII. 2, Josephus said of Jericho, "It is situated in a plain; but a naked and barren mountain, of a very great length, hangs over it, which extends itself to the land about Scythopolis northward, but as far as the country of SODOM, and the UTMOST LIMITS OF THE LAKE ASPHALTITIS , SOUTHWARD. This mountain is all of it very uneven and uninhabited, by reason of its barrenness; there is an opposite mountain that is situated over-against it, on the other side of Jordan; this last begins at Julius and the northern quarters, and extends itself SOUTHWARD as far as Somorrhon, which is the bounds of Petra, in Arabia."

In Wars. IV. VIII. 4, Josephus said of lake Asphaltitis (the Dead Sea), "The length of this lake is five hundred and eighty furlongs, where it is extended as far as ZOAR, IN ARABIA...The country of Sodom borders upon it It was of old a most happy land, both for the fruits it bore and the riches of its cities, although it be now all burnt up. It is related how for the impiety of its inhabitants, it was burnt by lightning; in consequence of which there are still the remainders of that divine fire; and the traces [or shadows] of the five cities are STILL TO BE SEEN, as well as the ashes growing in their fruits, which fruits have a colour as if they were fit to be eaten; but if you pluck them with your hands, they dissolve into smoke and ashes. And thus what is related of this land of Sodom hath these marks of credibility which our very sight affords us."

In Ant. I. XII. 4, Josephus said that Zoar was emcompassed with the fire. I imagine that had something to do with Lot and his daughters going on to the mountains, as Lot had been instructed to do in the first place. Josephus said, "Lot's wife continually turning back to view the city as she went from it, and being too nicely inquisitive what would become of it, although God had forbidden her so to do, was changed into a pillar of salt; for I HAVE SEEN IT, and it remains at this day. Now he and his daughters fled to a certain small place, ENCOMPASSED WITH THE FIRE (i.e., because it was near Sodom), and settled in it. It is to this day called Zoar".

Gen. 18:1,2 (Green) says, "Jehovah appeared to him (Abraham) by the oaks of Mamre (near Hebron, which is due east of Gaza); and he sat at the tent door in the heat of the day. And he lifted up his eyes and looked; and lo, three men stood facing him." One was the Lord.

Genesis 18:16,21 (Green) says, "And the men rose up from there and looked toward Sodom....I will go DOWN (i.e., south) now and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry that comes to Me".

Genesis 19:17-22 (Green) says, "And when they had brought them outside, He said, Escape for your life! Do not look behind you, nor stay in all the plain. Escape to the mountain, lest you be consumed. And Lot said to them, Oh no, Lord, behold, now. Your servant has found grace in Your sight, and You have magnified Your mercy which You have shown to me in saving my life; and I cannot escape to the mountain, lest some evil take me and I die. Behold, now, this city is near to flee to, and it is a little one; Oh let me escape there, it being a little thing, that my soul may live. And He said to him, See, I have accepted your face for this thing also, without overthrowing the city (for) which you have spoken. Hurry, escape there, for I am not able to do anything until you have come there; so the name of the city was called Zoar."

Gen. 19:23,24 (Green) says, "The sun had risen on the earth, and Lot entered into Zoar. And Jehovah rained brimstone and fire on Sodom and on Gororrah, from Jehovah, out of the heavens." Many sulfur balls have been found in this area.

Gomorrah was close to Sodom. 2 Peter 2:6 (Green) says, "And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, He condemned them with an overthrow--setting an example to those who were going to live ungodly."

Genesis 19:30 (Green) says, "Lot went up out of Zoar and lived in the mountain".

A wall, ash, sulphur and ceramic material were also found on the Jordan side of the Dead Sea.
Sodom & Gomorrah Jan 10 1995, By Mary Nell Wyatt

A mountain of salt

The mountains of the western side, the Judean Hills, rise less steeply from the Dead Sea than do the mountains of the eastern side. The mountains of the eastern side are also much higher. Along the southwestern side of the lake is a 210 m (700 ft) tall halite (NaCl, Sodium Chloride, rock salt) formation called "Mount Sedom".

From Five Doves site

Carol Ann Marshall (13 Dec 2006)
"re: Randy's message: Rapture in 2007?"
Randy (12 Dec 2006)
"Rapture in 2007? It's adding up!"

1st - 40 years since the Israelis took back Jerusalem. (Achem's Razor principal: The simplest answer is the right one) 40 years in the desert; 40 years after Jesus' death, Israel destroyed; and now, 40 years since the Jews took back Jerusalem....but did NOT take back the Temple Mount...

Randy's right! Here's one more event of significance: it has been 400 years since Christians, led by Rev. Robert Hunt, planted a cross on the shores of Virginia and dedicated America to God.

God Bless, Carol Ann Marshall

My comments

The Six-Day War was in 5728. Forty years later is 5768. The first day will be Sept. 13, 2007. Until then, we are in the Jewish Year of 5767.

Is it the year of the Rapture? I'm hoping it will be this Hanukkah. It is the Feast of Dedication that Jesus attended, and the only feast that is four months before the barley harvest that starts on Firstfruits.

John 10:22 says, "And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter." John 4:35 Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest."

Incoming e-mail, Re: Some adjusted thinking

I thank you for correcting me on the "white barley harvest"

However... as much as I had hopped Hanukkah would finally reveal that illusive hour, I have chosen to eliminate it, because by this time something catastrophic should have happened, like a terrorist nuclear bomb in a major USA city, then comes sudden destruction, the power grid fails, the banking mechants would then fail, the supply stores run empty. These events would not shake the wise who were watching and prepared.

Zephaniah 1:11-12 - 11 Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people (banks) are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off. 12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles (power failure) Itís for this reason that I exclude Hanukkah, it does not fit in with the scheme of things.

Now I am not saying that the season is out, Iím just saying that Hanukkah is not going to be the day, and the next best fit is the tenth month Tevet, the month that Esther was taken into the royal house, with the unknown day. Thus concluding, no one knows the day or the hour, but we could know the month.

I include a new diagram of possible time line. It will prove correct if by the next NEW MOON there is a run on the churches by the fearful, with cries of "Help, help... we need food, we need peace, we need salvation!" Blessings!

My reply

> > by this time something catastrophic should have happened, like a terrorist nuclear bomb in a major USA city, then comes sudden destruction, the power grid fails, the banking mechants would then fail, the supply stores run empty. These events would not shake the wise who were watching and prepared.

Did "sudden destruction" hit before the Bridegroom came for the 5 wise virgins? No. Then sudden destruction is not likely to hit before the first Rapture. However, it will hit right after the second Rapture on the great and terrible Day of the Lord. Job 21:30 says, "the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath."

Hanukkah may not be the time of the Rapture, but I think the time preceeding the Pre-Trib Rapture will be days of normal activity. There was no big upheaval before Enoch was raptured. It was the same with Noah. Everything went on as usual until the Lord shut the door of the Ark and it began to rain.

There are two Raptures, one before the Tribulation, the other, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, on the Day of the LORD at the end of the shortened Tribulation. The first is in normal circumstances. The second is just before the wrath of God falls on unbelievers left on Earth. It is on the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the day when men will say to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (Rev. 6:16,17). Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come."

Concerning the first Rapture, in Mt 24:37-42, Jesus said, "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." The second Rapture is as the days of Lot. In Luke 17:26-29, Jesus said, "And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days (plural, i.e., there are two Raptures) of the Son of man. They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark (depicting the first Rapture), and the flood came, and destroyed them all. Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. "

> > Now I am not saying that the season is out, Iím just saying that Hanukkah is not going to be the day, and the next best fit is the tenth month Tevet, the month that Esther was taken into the royal house, with the unknown day. Thus concluding, no one knows the day or the hour, but we could know the month

Of course, when Esther (meaning star) was taken to king Ahasuerus might apply to the Rapture. Esther 2:16 says, "Esther was taken unto king Ahasuerus into his house royal in the tenth month, which is the month Tebeth (or Teveth), in the seventh year of his reign." If I remember right, Ahasuerus was a title of a Persian king instead of a name, and it indicated that he was a lion king. If so, a lion king suggests Christ, the lion of the tribe of Judah.

Teveth 1 and 2 are the last two days of the eight-day Feast of Dedication of the Temple, Hanukkah. Therefore, both Hannukah and Teveth could tie in to the Rapture. We are the Temple of the Holy Spirit.

I wonder why Hanukkah lasts 8 days? Does Christ start to gather the Bride group to meet him in the clouds on Saturday, Kislev 25 (Dec. 16, 2006), and then take the whole group to Heaven (Saturn) on Saturday (Saturnday), Teveth 2 (Dec. 23). We will know soon.

> > Zephaniah 1:11-12 - 11 Howl, ye inhabitants of Maktesh, for all the merchant people (banks) are cut down; all they that bear silver are cut off. 12 And it shall come to pass at that time, that I will search Jerusalem with candles (power failure)

Zeph. 1:11,12 takes place on the great and terrible Day of the Lord. Verse 7 says that "the day of the LORD is at hand." The destruction of that day takes place after the Rapture of the Tribulation saints (Rev. 7:14).

If we keep in mind that there are two Raptures, and that the unbelievers left on Earth after the second one are to be hit with destruction on the Day of the Lord, we can sort out which OT verses apply to the great and terrible Day of the Lord.

As the Tribulation begins, the beast of Rev. 13:2-10 will begin his reign when the first seal is broken on the seven-sealed Title Deed of the Earth (Rev. 6:1,2). Another war will not break out for about a year, when the second seal is broken (Rev. 6:3,4). Therefore, the first Rapture takes place in what is considered normal times. Agape

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