Pro and Con 1317

Posted 2-11-07

PROBABLE DATES OF THE TWO RAPTURES AND THE SECOND ADVENT

PRE-TRIB RAPTURE
Pentecost, day the Church was born into this world, Sivan 6, 5769, Friday, May 29, 2009

PRE-WRATH RAPTURE
Trumpets, first day of the Civil Year, Tishri 1, 5776, Monday, September 14, 2015

SECOND ADVENT
First day of the Sacred and Regnal Year, Nisan 1, 5776, Saturday, Sabbath Day, April 9, 2016

SHORTENED TRIBULATION
6 years, 3 months, 17 days

"Ezekiel's 430 yrs."

Linda Semler (8 Feb 2007)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2007/lindas28.htm

If you will look closely at Ezekiel 4:5-6 you will see there are TWO different nations, the house of Israel and the house of Judah, that come under TWO different periods of judgement. YOU CANNOT, IN GOOD BIBLICAL SCHOLARSHIP, combine these two nations or time periods.

This has been pointed out before on the Doves but did not receive the attention that good Bible students should give it.

Any Encyclopedia will show that the northern kingdom, the House of Israel, was conquered and carried away by Assyria in 722 BC. This is when judgement began. After 390 yrs. the House of Israel did NOT repent therefore according to Lev. 26 judgement was multiplied by 7. That makes it 2730 yrs. of judgement. That judgement is up in 2008.

"To Linda: Ezekiel's 430 years"

Bonnie Gaunt (9 Feb 2007)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2007/bonnieg29.htm

Linda, Your post on this site re the 430 years is most interesting. Just a month ago I wrote an email to a friend on this subject, and arrived at the same conclusions you have found. However, you have forgotten that there is no zero year, so THE CALCULATION ACTUALLY COMES OUT TO 2009 instead of 2008....

My reply

Re: 2009
Thank you much, Linda Semler and Bonnie Gaunt. It looks like you have figured out what has stumped so many through the years.

The year 2009 grabbed my attention for Pentecost, May 29, 2009, just may be the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture. See the new article on my Home Page, "PROBABLE DATES OF THE TWO RAPTURES AND THE SECOND ADVENT" http://prophecycorner.com/agee/index.html

Eze. 4:4,5 says, "Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon it: according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon it thou shalt bear their iniquity. For I have laid upon thee the years of their iniquity, according to the number of the days, three hundred and ninety days: so shalt thou bear the iniquity of the house of Israel."

Lev 26:27,28 says, "And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins." 390 x 7 = 2730 years
2730 - 722 BC + 1 (because no zero year) = 2009

Israel, US sign homeland security pact

Rebecca Anna Stoil, THE JERUSALEM POST Feb. 7, 2007
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1170359807560&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/Printer

Internal Security Minister Avi Dichter and his US counterpart, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, signed a joint memorandum in Washington DC on Wednesday evening, setting a series of goals and terms for security collaboration between the two nations.

The joint understanding included partnership on flight security, including passenger and cargo inspection and information sharing on the topic of emergency planning, response, recovery and damage control. The understanding also encompassed sharing of research and development progress in the field of explosives detection.

In addition, Israel and the US will share information about steps taken to neutralize, respond to and reduce terror and criminal activities in specific fields and will also hold joint training and staff exchanges.

Dichter had previously described the agreement as "a breakthrough signing of an understandings agreement [with the US] for the war on terror and establishing cooperation between the Internal Security Ministry and the Department of Homeland Security."

Best photographic tour of the ancient rose-red city of Petra I've seen

Geoff Hartman
http://goasia.about.com/od/countriesaz/ig/Petra--Jordan/Petra--Jordan.--Va.htm

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Sapphire Throne. Ezekiel 10:1

I recently noticed a song in The Lutheran Hymnal, #634, Come, Jesus, from the Sapphire Throne.

vs 1. Come, Jesus, from the sapphire throne, Where thy redeemed behold Thy face; Enter this temple, now Thine own, And let Thy glory fill the place.

Very interesting. Yes? Blessings on you.

Ezekiel 10:1 (New American Standard Bible)...
Vision of God's Glory Departing from the Temple
1 Then I looked, and behold, in the (A)expanse that was over the heads of the cherubim something like a (B)sapphire stone, in appearance resembling a (C)throne, appeared above them. Cross references:
Ezekiel 10:1 : Ezek 1:22, 26
Ezekiel 10:1 : Ex 24:10
Ezekiel 10:1 : Rev 4:2, 3

Ezekiel 1:26 (New International Version)... 26 Above the expanse over their heads was what looked like a throne of sapphire, [a] and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man

Ezekiel 10:1 (New International Version)...
The Glory Departs From the Temple
1 I looked, and I saw the likeness of a throne of sapphire [a] above the expanse that was over the heads of the cherubim.

My reply

Thanks for telling me about the song. I had no idea it existed.

It's interesting to figure out who is seated on the sapphire throne. I'm using the KJV.

In Ex. 24:10, it was "the God of Israel: "And they saw THE GOD OF ISRAEL: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (i.e., heavenly body) in his clearness." Eze 1:26 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as THE APPEARANCE OF A MAN above upon it."

Rev 4:1-3 says, "I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither (i.e., it's the Pre-Trib Rapture), and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the breastplate: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald" (Judah's stone in the breastplate).

Who is the first and the last? the Lion of the tribe of Judah?

In Rev 1:8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING, SAITH THE LORD, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY."

Rev 1:17,18 says, "he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death."

In Rev 22:12,13, Jesus said, "behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE BEGINNING AND THE END, THE FIRST AND THE LAST."

Isa. 44:6 ties it all together, It says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH KING OF ISRAEL), and I am the last (YHWH OF HOSTS, THE REDEEMER); and beside me there is no God." II Co 5:19 explains it clearly: "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself".

Jesus is both man and God. He is the one that sits on the sapphire throne.

You can go to this URL and see how a 12-year old prodigy painted "God".

http://tinyurl.com/yxewot

Agape

Incoming e-mail

I'm interested in your interpretation of "shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease "

My reply

In the middle of the Tribulation, the 70th week of Dan. 9:27, the Satan-possessed False Prophet, the "man of sin," will place an idol in the Temple and sit there pretending to be God. This desecration of the Temple causes the sacrificing to cease.

Dan. 9:27 (LITV) says, "And he (the Satan-possessed False Prophet, Rev. 13:11-18) shall confirm (lit., strengthen) a covenant (probably the peace treaty) with the many (probably the UN) for one week (7 years we call the Tribulation). And in the middle of the week (Mid-Trib) he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering (at the Temple) to cease. And on a corner of the altar will be abominations (idols) that desolate, even until the end (of the Great Tribulation). And that which was decreed (the wrath of God) shall pour out on the desolator."

2Th 2:3,4 (KJV) says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, departing, i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition (the Satan-possessed False Prophet); Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that HE AS GOD SITTETH IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHEWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD."

Mt. 24:15,16 says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation (the idol), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains."

Dan. 8:11-14 (KJV) says, "Yea, he (the False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18) magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and BY HIM THE DAILY SACRIFICE WAS TAKEN AWAY, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (first half of the 70th week of Daniel 9:27), and the transgression of desolation (during the second half), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days (the length of the shortened Tribulation, 70th week of Daniel); then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (on the Day of God's Wrath).

Dan 8:24-26 says, "And his (the False Prophet's) power shall be mighty, but not by his own power (by Satan's): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty (God's two witnesses, Rev. 11:3-12) and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and BY PEACE SHALL DESTROY MANY: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes (Yahshua/Jesus Christ); but he shall be broken without hand. And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days." Agape

The Day of Atonement at the Last Day

By Gavin Finley, MD
http://endtimepilgrim.org/atonement.htm

IN A FUTURE FALL SEASON ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE TISHREI MOON AN EPIC FEAST OF TRUMPETS WILL INITIATE DANIEL'S 70TH WEEK. THUS BEGINS THE FINAL SEVEN YEARS OF THIS AGE. THE ENDTIME DRAMAS OF THE APOCALYPSE WILL THEN BEGIN. THESE WILL DIRECTLY INVOLVE THE CHURCH AND ISRAEL.

SEVEN YEARS LATER, ON THE TENTH DAY OF TISHREI, AT THE VERY LAST DAY OF THE 1260 + 1290 = 2550 DAY TIMESPAN COMES THE AWESOME DAY OF ATONEMENT. IT IS THE LAST DAY OF THIS PRESENT EVIL AGE. THIS FINAL DAY OF RECKONING IS THE DAY WHEN ALL ACCOUNTS BETWEEN GOD AND THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THIS AGE ARE SETTLED. IT BRINGS TO AN END THE FINAL SEVEN YEARS OF THIS ERA....

THE VERY NEXT DAY THE DAY OF THE LORD WILL OPEN UP. AND CHRIST/MESSIAH WILL RETURN IN VENGEANCE, RELEASING THE ANGELS OF WRATH UPON THE WICKED. THEN HE WILL GATHER HIS ELECT (Mat.24:31) AT THE POST-TRIBULATION RESURRECTION-RAPTURE.

THE DAY OF ATONEMENT IS OUT 30 DAYS BEYOND THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL AND THE 1260 DAYS OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION. THIS AGE WILL TERMINATE PRECISELY ON THE 1290TH DAY, THE 1290 DAYS REFERRED TO BY THE ANGEL GABRIEL IN HIS MESSAGE TO DANIEL. (Dan.12:11) THE DAY OF ATONEMENT NOT ONLY ENDS THE PERIOD OF GOD'S DETERMINED DEALINGS WITH HIS COVENANT PEOPLE IN THE 70TH WEEK BUT ALSO WRAPS UP HIS INTERNATIONAL DEALINGS WITH THE GENTILES, THE GOYIM, THE HEATHEN NATIONS. THE ARMIES GATHERED AT ARMAGEDDON IN THAT FINAL CAMPAIGN AGAINST JERUSALEM WILL BE TERMINATED IN A VERY SUDDEN AND DECISIVE WAY.

THE DAY OF ATONEMENT WILL BE THE LAST DAY OF THIS PRESENT EVIL AGE. IT WILL BE THE LAST DAY TO REPENT AND TO CLOSE ACCOUNTS WITH GOD. BEFORE MESSIAH RETURNS. BECAUSE THE VERY NEXT DAY IS JUDGEMENT DAY WHEN MESSIAH RETURNS TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST EVIL MEN. THIS WILL BE DOOMSDAY FOR THE WICKED. GOD'S WRATH WILL BE POURED OUT UPON THEM IN A VERY PERSONAL WAY. THE ANGELS OF DESTRUCTION CARRY THEM OFF IN THIS GRIM HARVEST.

THE WICKED WILL BE THE FIRST TO BE GATHERED AS THE AWESOME 'DAY OF THE LORD' OR 'DAY OF CHRIST' OPENS UP. THE EVIL ANGELS OR ANGELS OF DESTRUCTION, (Ps.78:49) WILL BE RELEASED TO EXECUTE GOD'S WRATH DIRECTLY AND SPECIFICALLY UPON THE HEADS OF THE WICKED. AS IN THE DAYS OF THE EXODUS FROM EGYPT THOSE WHO ARE COVERED AND UNDER THE BLOOD OF GOD'S SACRIFICE LAMB, YESHUA HAMASHIACH, WILL BE SAFE. THOSE WHO KNOW YHVH-GOD, WHO EXTENDED HIMSELF INTO THIS COSMOS FROM HEAVEN AS GOD IN THE FLESH, WILL BE UNDER GOD'S DIVINE PROTECTION.

THE WICKED WILL NOT BE SO FORTUNATE. THEY WILL BE CUT DOWN AND CARRIED OFF BY EVIL ANGELS AS TARES OR WEEDS IN THIS GRIM AND AWFUL HARVEST OF EVILDOERS. THE WICKED WILL BE GATHERED AND TAKEN OFF FIRST. THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE WORDS OF JESUS CHRIST/YESHUA HAMASHIACH. (Mat.13:30)...

The Seven Feasts of the Lord are not just quaint little Jewish traditions. Each of them give rise to seven blockbuster days in holy history. Four of the seven already been fulfilled. There are three left to go. Here is an overview of the situation so far.

Fulfilled! (By Jesus/Yeshua at His crucifixion
on the afternoon of Nisan 14 in the spring of 32 A.D.)

2. Feast of Unleavened Bread Fulfilled! (By Jesus/Yeshua at His burial in the tomb on Nisan 15 in the spring of 32 A.D.)

3. Feast of Firstfruits Fulfilled! (By Jesus/Yeshua at His Resurrection on Nisan 17 in the spring of 32 A.D.)

4. Feast of Pentecost Fulfilled! (By the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost on Sivan 7 in the summer of 32 A.D.)...
5. The Feast of Trumpets Unfulfilled ....(as of yet).
6. The Day of Atonement Unfulfilled ....(as of yet).
But due to unfold on Tishrei 10 in the fall season of some future year. It's fulfilment will be the final climactic "last day" of this age. The Jewish nation and "all Israel" will be saved! - Zech.12:8-13:1, Rom. 11) Then comes the Day of the Lord.
It will be Doomsday for the wicked.
Then comes the Resurrection-Rapture of the Elect drawn from Israel and the gentiles.)

7. The Feast of Tabernacles Unfulfilled ....(as of yet). Some future Tishrei 15 in the fall season of some future year will see the coming 1000 year Millennium of Messiah....

THE DAY AFTER THAT EPIC FUTURE DAY OF ATONEMENT WILL SEE THE OPENING OF THE DAY OF THE LORD. IT WILL BE DOOMSDAY FOR THE WICKED....

Jesus tells us that the tares will be gatherd first. If He said that the wicked would be plucked off the planet first then He meant it. Pre-Trib Bible Teachers say the righteous will be gathered first. They have organized an early Rapture for themselves seven years before the final judgment. But the Bible disagrees. Jesus Himself said quite plainly that the wicked will be dealt with first. They will, in fact, be carried of kicking and screaming....

Sometime during the next 4 days, before the Feast of Tabernacles, the righteous Elect will be gathered. (Mat.24:31) We do not know the day or the hour. (Mat.24:36) God's holy angels will bring them into the glory at the Resurrection-Rapture.

My comments

The Day of Atonement at the Last Day, by Gavin Finley, MD
http://endtimepilgrim.org/atonement.htm

> > IN A FUTURE FALL SEASON ON THE FIRST DAY OF THE TISHREI MOON AN EPIC FEAST OF TRUMPETS WILL INITIATE DANIEL'S 70TH WEEK.

POSSIBLE DATES FOR BOTH RAPTURES, THE FIRST ON PENTECOST, THE LATTER ON TRUMPETS

Dan. 8:13,14 seems to give us the length of the shortened Tribulation. It says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (first 3.5 years), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? (during the shortened Great Tribulation) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

The sanctuary will be cleansed on Tishri 1, the Day of the Lord, which is the Day of God's Wrath.

Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME."

Joel 2:1,2 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion (i.e., it's Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets), and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army, Eze. 38); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

Joel 2:15-21 says, "Blow the TRUMPET in Zion (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets), sanctify a fast (the Day of Atonement is coming in 10 days), call a solemn assembly: GATHER THE PEOPLE (this is the Pre-Wrath Rapture on Tishri 1), sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom (Christ) go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people.... But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea (the Mediterranean), and his hinder part toward the utmost sea (the Dead Sea), and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things. Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the LORD will do great things."

Joel 3:9-14 says, "Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O Lord. Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for THE DAY OF THE LORD IS NEAR in the valley of decision."

Since the 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation end on Tishri 1, they must start on Pentecost. Thus, Pentecost could be the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture.

DIAMOND STAR THRILLS ASTRONOMERS

A diamond that is almost forever

Twinkling in the sky is a diamond star of 10 billion trillion trillion carats, astronomers have discovered.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3492919.stm

Incoming e-mail, Re: Comments

Diamonds, are they not like a Rock every bride "looks" for. Isn't the expression "diamonds are forever" like a promise every bride desires? These are only thoughts that bring me to remembrance to the "promise" that Jesus "will come again, and receive you (us) unto myself" (John 14:3). Jesus said this the evening of the LORD's Supper right before His crucifixion and the following Passover. On First Fruits, He was resurrected and, "-unto every one of us (believers) is given grace according to the measure of the Gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When He ascended up on high, He led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men (Ephesians 4:7-8). Since Christ was first fruits, the resurrected saints who rose from their graves (Abrahams bosom) were the first order, why not the second order (the pre-tribulation rapture group rise also on First Fruits? I know Pentecost sounds good also but First Fruits seems also likely to be a possible Rapture date to me since we too will be First Fruits and God's prophecies tend to fall on exact anniversaries. Any way, this is only my thoughts as we look towards the "Blessed Hope" of His Coming.

My reply

You may have something there. We are one rank of the firstfruits--Christ, Old Testament saints, wise virgin saints and finally, the 144,000 Israelites. 1Cor. 15:22,23 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." The precedent has been set, Jesus might come for the Bride of Christ on Firstfruits.

Concerning the 144,000 caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture at the "last trump" (I Cor. 15:51,52), Rev 14:1-5 says, "I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women (symbol of false religion, as the harlot church in Rev. 17); for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

1Cor. 15:20 says, "But now is Christ (the head of the Body of Christ) risen from the dead, and become the FIRSTFRUITS OF THEM THAT SLEPT." James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures." The ranks are part of the first resurrection. Rev 20:6 says, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. After the Pre-Trib Rapture, we see these wise-virgin saints in Heaven in Rev. 5:8-10. It says, "...saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (epi, on or over) the earth."

On Crucifixion Day, Paradise was in the heart of the Earth. Luke 23:43 says "And Jesus said unto him (one thief on the cross), Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." Mt. 12:40 says, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

After his resurrection on Firstfruits, Jesus ascended to Heaven then came back to Earth that same day. That coming could prefigure his coming at the Rapture. Mt. 25:10 says, "And while they (the foolish virgins) went to buy, the bridegroom (Jesus) came; and they that were ready (the wise virgins) went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut."

Jesus took the Old-Testament saints in Paradise to Heaven on Firstfruits. John 20:17 says, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."Eph. 4:8-10 says, "When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)" I Thess. 4:16 shows us that the first "trump of God" will sound when believers are caught up to meet the Lord in the air at the Pre-Trib Rapture, and a trumpet was to be sounded on the Feast of Firstfruits.

Nu. 10:2-4 says, "Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both of them), all the assembly shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET, then the princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (the 24 elders, the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles of Israel), shall gather themselves unto thee."

In II Co 12:1-4, Paul (an apostle) was caught up to Paradise (Heaven), which was in the third heaven (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn). He said, "It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP (harpazo, as in I Thess. 4:16,17) to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was CAUGHT UP (harpazo) INTO PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. "

Since Paul is a New Testament saint, a leader of the Church. His trip to Paradise could prefigure the Rapture of the Church. Rev. 2:7 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the PARADISE of God."

God has demonstrated things to come. What is to be has already been. Enoch was caught up to God before Noah was floated upward by the flood. Elijah was caught up to God before the Old-Testament saints were caught up on the Feast of Firstfruits. Paul was caught up before the Bride group will be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. Moses and Elijah will be resurrected and caught up 3.5 days past Mid-Trib before the Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place on the Feast of Trumpets at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation.

Since Jesus took the Old Testament saints and Paradise to Heaven on Firstfruits, maybe he will take the New Testament saints to the heavenly Paradise on Firstfruits too. It seems logical. Nisan 16 will be on Wednesday, April 4 this year on the official Hebrew Calendar. It will be on Thursday, March 29, on Michael Rood's "Astronomically and Agriculturally Corrected Biblical Hebrew Calendar" you sent me. March 29 is Ed's 83rd birthday. That would be a fine day for the Rapture.

However, firstfruits were brought unto the Lord at Pentecost. Lev 23:17 says, "Ye shall bring OUT OF YOUR HABITATIONS two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; THEY ARE THE FIRSTFRUITS UNTO THE LORD." Pentecost will be May 23 and 24 this year on the official Hebrew Calendar.

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