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Posted 2-23-07

Incoming e-mail, Re: Shortening of time

Please consider... Thank you so much for all the effort you put in in studying the scriptures.

I have enjoyed reading your postings since I stumbled across your site last year. I enjoy reading your insights and speculations, because like you I believe every word in the Bible is true and with out error and that it has been given unto man the enjoyment of attempting to understand that which will soon come to pass.

For the past 15 or so years I have had an idea as to what causes the shortening of days during the Tribulation. You know so much more than I about the workings of our solar system that I believe you would be the right person to correct or validate my idea. Please take a few minutes to consider this proposal and the impact it would have in calculating the timeline for the events of the tribulation.

In Rev. 8:8 & 10 we see first a “mountain” falling into the sea and then a great “star” (asteroid or comet?) hitting the land. In verse 12 we are told, “And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.”

Question: What could happen that causes 1/3 of the stars, moon, and sun not to shine? Could it be dust and smoke from the impact of the “mountain and “asteroid”? It seems to me that in order for there to be enough dust and smoke to hide 1/3 of the sun’s rays that would prevent the stars from being seen at all. What cosmic event would hide or destroy 1/3 of the light traveling to men’s eyes from the powerful rays of the sun to the very faint light of some distant star?

Rev. 8:10 “And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;” In order to impact 1/3 of the rivers and the fountains of waters would mean that the asteroid is of a very large size. Such a large asteroid hitting the earth dead on would totally destroy all life on earth, which is clearly not the case. Therefore, it is my contention that this asteroid merely glances off the earth “rubbing out” 1/3 of earth’s life or more likely it simply comes so close that its passing by and consequent gravitational pull causes the rotation of the earth to speed up. From this point on the earth’s rotation changes from a 24 hour day to a 16 hour day. Now when men look up they only see the sun, moon, or stars 2/3 of the time. The 7-year tribulation period is true down to the very last day, (setting of sun to the setting of the sun) but the time has been shortened so that some life might be preserved.

In Rev. 8:5-7 we see some strange atmospheric activity that could be the result of the asteroid coming close to the earth. Electrical charge differences could account for the lightning and thunder we see in verse 5. The close proximity and gravitational pull of the asteroid could definitely cause earthquakes too. The asteroid tearing through our atmosphere would allow deadly rays of the sun to penetrate all the way to the earth. Gases from the atmosphere of the asteroid might be set on fire causing a deadly firestorm on earth as is seen in verse 7. How does John know that a “mountain” is thrown into the sea in verse 8 unless John sees a mountain on the asteroid being torn away by the gravitational pull of the earth?

I am quite aware that all that I have speculated is with out proof but I believe that this scenario does fit the passage. I hope you will consider it. If true, such an event would probably change the orbit of the earth as well and might be partially responsible for some of the other events that follow. (Example Rev. 16: 8-9)

My reply

Thanks for your kind words....

As you probably do too, I think the original manuscripts of Scripture were without error. That doesn't mean that a particular translation can't have flaws. It can, but it is wonderful that there are so very few. Consecrated men have done their very best to give us the truth in our various languages. When there is disagreement between translations, we need to study the original language. I wish I knew more than a smattering of Hebrew and Greek. That's why I have Green's Interlinear, Strong's and Young's concordances, and Thayer's Lexicon to help me get it right. I have also collected as many Bible versions as possible for comparison.

> > and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.”

I think that smoky atmosphere is from the earthquake and incoming asteroid debris. The asteroid called Wormwood evidently breaks into two main pieces at the Roche Limit, 11,000 miles from the Earth. This releases a hail of smaller rocks. There are some weighing over 100 lbs. Others are the size of figs and dust. This debris ignites as it encounters friction in the atmosphere.

When we have meteor showers, we see streaks of light we call shooting stars from pieces of a comet as small as a grain of sand. A fist-sized piece puts on a great show. I'll never forget the night a bright fire ball sizzled more than half way across the sky overhead before it winked out. That wide streak brought a hushed "Wow" out of me. I've never seen anything like it before or since. I haven't even seen anything like it in pictures. Those fireballs had a tail getting smaller and smaller behind it. What I saw was the same size along the whole length of it. When it went out, it was sudden and unexpected. There was no tapering off or firing brighter at the end. Just one second, it was there. The next, it was gone.

Rev. 6:12-17 seems to all happen on one day, the Eve of Trumpets. It says, "And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great EARTHQUAKE; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the STARS OF HEAVEN FELL UNTO THE EARTH, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

This is the day that the Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the heavens. The smoke will be rolled aside like a scroll. He will be sitting on his throne to show what is really happening in Heaven. This is the first day of his millennial reign. Like Solomon, son of David, the greater Son of David will purge his kingdom at the beginning of his reign.

> > Such a large asteroid hitting the earth dead on would totally destroy all life on earth, which is clearly not the case.

When it's over, scripture tells us that men will be so few that a child could write the number. I figure that the asteroid comes in obliquely, because Russia has fires as well as Babylon, Edom and other areas of the middle east. Hitting the Earth at an angle will knock the world upside down until it has had time to regain its equilibrium.

What happens on the Eve of Trumpets is preliminary. After the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the feast day and the silence on Earth and in Heaven while Christ is seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ, the 7 trumpets of judgment are given to the 7 angels. Before they sound, a globe-shaped censer is filled with fire of the altar. It is cast into the earth. The result -- "voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake" (Rev. 8:5). The censer symbolizes the asteroid being cast into the Earth. Then the 7 trumpets sound, and the things written are poured out on the unbelievers on Earth. Isa 24:1: "says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and TURNETH IT UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

Isa 5:30: "And in that day they shall roar against them like the roaring of the sea: and if one look unto the land, behold darkness and sorrow, and THE LIGHT IS DARKENED IN THE HEAVENS thereof."

Isa 24:21: "And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth."

Eze 38:19: "For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely IN THAT DAY there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel."

Amo 8:9,10: "And it shall come to pass IN THAT DAY, saith the Lord GOD, that I WILL CAUSE THE SUN TO GO DOWN AT NOON, AND I WILL DARKEN THE EARTH IN THE CLEAR DAY."

Amos 8:10: "And I will turn your feasts (TRUMPETS AND DAY OF ATONEMENT) into mourning".

> > The 7-year tribulation period is true down to the very last day, (setting of sun to the setting of the sun) but the time has been shortened so that some life might be preserved

I think the shortening to 2300 literal days, evenings and mornings, in Dan. 8:12-14 applies to the shortened Great Tribulation. Job 20:5 says "That the triumphing of the wicked is SHORT, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment?

Rev 12:12 says, "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a SHORT time."

Rev 17:10 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a SHORT SPACE." As I understand it, the first part of the 7 yr. Tribulation will be 1260 days (Rev. 11:3). Subtracting the 1260 days from 2300 leaves 1040 days for the reign of the False Prophet during the Great Tribulation. Then he will be deposed.

> > How does John know that a “mountain” is thrown into the sea in verse 8 unless John sees a mountain on the asteroid being torn away by the gravitational pull of the earth?

I figure a mountain-sized piece of a binary asteroid would fill the bill. It will impact the Mediterranean Sea and wash Gog's army out of Israel's hair. Of course, there will be an initial blast before the tsunami.

Zeph 2:3-6 says, "Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast, the nation of the Cherethites! the word of the LORD is against you; O Canaan, the land of the Philistines, I will even destroy thee, that there shall be no inhabitant. And the sea coast shall be dwellings and cottages for shepherds, and folds for flocks."

Dan 8:14 says, "And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Agape

The Rapture

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Many believe in the “rapture”. Many believe there will be no Christians left on the earth during the great tribulation and the Day of the Lord. But....what does the Bible say on this subject??? Actually, the word “rapture” appears no where in the Bible. Shouldn’t the doctrines people believe in appear in at least, one scripture in the Bible?...

Most who believe in the “rapture” point to [I Thes 4:17 & I Cor 15:52] to prove their theory.

I Thes 4:15-17
“For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

In this verse rapture occurs after the Lord’s descent from heaven and the sounding of the trumpet of God.

I Cor 15:51-52 “Behold, I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”

This says nothing about going to heaven. Says in the clouds. Tells of the return of Christ to this earth. When the saints will be caught up in the air to meet Him at His coming. This is to take place at the last trump. So we need to see just what is happening at the sounding of this last trumpet. This seems to be the final (7th) sounding in [Rev} Puts time setting at the end of the great tribulation and Day of the Lord.

My comments

> > Many believe there will be no Christians left on the earth during the great tribulation and the Day of the Lord.

I think there will be foolish Laodicean virgins left on Earth after the wise virgins are caught up to Heaven as the Tribulation begins. However, all the saints will be in Heaven as the Day of the Lord begins.

The Day of the Lord is also the Day of God's Wrath. As Rev. 6 ends, verse 17 says, "For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?" It will be hard to stand up, because of the earthquake. Rev. 6:12 says, "I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood".

In Rev. 7, we see that the Tribulation saints have been caught up to Heaven when the "last trump" sounded. Of this, the Pre-Trib Rapture, I Cor. 15:51-53 says, " Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

This "last trump" is not the 7th trumpet judgment. Those trumpets are given to angels to sound. None of the angels have been given a trumpet yet. This is the last of the TWO TRUMPS OF GOD that call the saints up to Heaven. The first is sounded at the Pre-Trib Rapture. The last is sounded at the Pre-Wrath Rapture before the wrath of God is poured out on the unbelievers left on Earth.

I Thess. 4:16,17 tells us about the first trump of God that sounds to call the wise virgins up to Heaven. It says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Just before God's wrath is poured out on Earth, God sends angels to gather his saints to the heavenly court. Mt. 24:31 tells about the gathering of the saints that are already in Heaven. It says, " And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." These are the saints that participated in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

As those that are already in Heaven are gathered, the Pre-Wrath Rapture brings the Tribulation saints to Heaven. Mark 13:27 tells us about this. It says, " And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN." Those coming from the Earth are the Tribulation saints that are caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Mt 24:28 says, "For wheresoever the carcase (body, i.e., the Body of Christ) is (in Heaven), there will the eagles (high flying Tribulation saints) be gathered together. " Ex 19:4 mentions "eagles' wings." It says, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I BARE YOU ON EAGLES' WINGS, AND BROUGHT YOU UNTO MYSELF." That was a type of the Pre-Trib Rapture on Pentecost. Isa 40:31 says, "But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; THEY SHALL MOUNT UP WITH WINGS AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint." This is what will happen at both Raptures.

It looks like these two Raptures are 2300 days apart. Dan. 8:12-14 says, "And an host was given him (the False Prophet) against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, HOW LONG shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., the first 1260 days of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (sitting in the Temple and claiming to be God Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot (the shortened Great Tribulation)? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

The Day of God's Wrath is the Feast of Trumpets, on Tishri 1. Counting back 2300 days brings us to Pentecost, Sivan 6. Those two feasts must be the days on which the two Raptures take place.

As soon as the Tribulation saints are in Heaven, there is silence in Heaven and on Earth while the Judge is seated and the Judgment Seat of Christ convenes.

Rev. 8:1,2 says, "And when he had opened the SEVENTH SEAL, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.:

Hab 2:20 says of that day, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him." Therefore, there is silence both in Heaven and on Earth.

> > Actually, the word “rapture” appears no where in the Bible. Shouldn’t the doctrines people believe in appear in at least, one scripture in the Bible?...

That's a lame excuse. The word Trinity don't appear either, but that doesn't mean there isn't a Trinity. People were to be baptized in the name (one name) of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Our English word Rapture, from the Latin "rapiemur," can be used to translate the Greek word harpazo. II Thess. 4:17, in Jerome's Latin Vulgate (405 AD), says, "deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul RAPIEMUR cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus." If we were translating "RAPIEMUR" into English, it would seem natural to use "RAPTURE."

Thank God, we have this "HOPE" and "COMFORT" we call the Rapture.

Of the first trump of God, 1Th 4:13-18 in KJV Engliah says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren (believers), concerning them which are asleep (the dead in Christ), THAT YE SORROW NOT, EVEN AS OTHERS WHICH HAVE NO HOPE. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him (i.e., from Heaven). For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for predede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall DESCEND FROM HEAVEN with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore COMFORT one another with these words."

The last sentence is a command. Therefore, we are supposed to comfort each other with these words. People that say things like "Actually, the word “rapture” appears no where in the Bible" are not comforting anyone but themselves.

Different translators use different English words. Like the DRB, they all mean that we "shall be TAKEN UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS to meet Christ, into the air: and so shall we be always with the Lord." To be taken up into the air is to be caught up, raptured.

The Wycliffe NT says, "Afterward we that live, that be left, shall be SNATCHED (UP) TOGETHER WITH THEM IN CLOUDS, meeting Christ in the air; and so evermore we shall be with the Lord."

Strong's says of harpazo, "to seize (in various applications): - catch (away, up), pluck, pull, take (by force)." All of those fit the Rapture.

What happens right after the Rapture in Rev. 4:1? Is it the Second Coming of Christ to Earth? No. Christ hasn't even gotten the little book, the Title Deed of the Earth, yet. Of course, the first seal has not yet been broken.

Did the Rapture in Rev. 4:1 only apply to John? No. In verse 4, all 24 elders are crowned and seated on thrones they were given at the Rapture. The 24 elders are John, 11 more apostles and the 12 patriarchs.

Rev 4:1-4 says, "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET (i.e., the first trump of God) talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald. And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold."

I Cor 15:51,52 tells us that there is another trump of God, and that it is the last of this kind to sound. If there is a last trump of God, there is a first trump. It says, "Behold, I show you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

> > This says nothing about going to heaven. Says in the clouds. Tells of the return of Christ to this earth. When the saints will be caught up in the air to meet Him at His coming. This is to take place at the last trump. So we need to see just what is happening at the sounding of this last trumpet. This seems to be the final (7th) sounding in [Rev}
> > Puts time setting at the end of the great tribulation and Day of the Lord.

It doesn't say "in the clouds", and it isn't talking about the Second Advent. The Second Advent is in Rev. 19. When does the second Rapture take place? The last verse of Rev. 6 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Then in Rev. 7:14, we see that the Tribulation saints are in Heaven. It says, "These are they which CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them." God's throne is in Heaven.

There are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury [them]; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." He is glorified at the Second Advent.

> > (Re: I Cor. 15:51,52) This says nothing about going to heaven. Says in the clouds. Tells of the return of Christ to this earth. When the saints will be caught up in the air to meet Him at His coming. This is to take place at the last trump. So we need to see just what is happening at the sounding of this last trumpet. This seems to be the final (7th) sounding in [Rev} Puts time setting at the end of the great tribulation and Day of the Lord.

Rev 11:14-18 speaks of the things that happen on the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "And THE SEVENTH ANGEL SOUNDED; and there were great voices IN HEAVEN, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become [the kingdoms] of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he SHALL reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats (in Heaven, as in Rev. 4:4), fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (on the Day of the Lord, which is also the Day of God's Wrath), and wast (at the First Advent), AND ART TO COME (at the Second Advent, which is on Nisan 1, 7 months in the future in a Jewish Leap Year); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME (on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1; Joel 1:15:2:1-3), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the JUDGMENT SEAT OF CHRIST IN HEAVEN), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

The 7th trumpet judgment is sounded by angels. It is not the trump of God that calls the saints up to Heaven. The sixth seal is in Rev. 6. The Tribulation saints are in Heaven in Rev. 7. The seventh seal is broken in Rev. 8. The 7 trumpets are given to the seven angels in Rev. 8. Jesus does not return until AFTER the Judgment Seat of Christ, AFTER the Marriage of the Lamb, and after the Marriage Supper of the Lamb take place in Heaven. Then, in Rev. 19, we see Jesus returning riding on a white horse. All the saints that were caught up to Heaven in the two Raptures come back with Jesus on that day.

Not one soul is mentioned rising up in the air on that day. All are coming down. No one is going up. All the saints have already received their rewards in Heaven on Tishri 1, the first day of the Hebrew Civil Year. They return with Christ on the following Nisan 1, the first day of the Hebrew Regnal and Sacred Year.

It looks like there are 2300 days (Dan. 8:12-14) allotted for the shortened Tribulation. The first Rapture is on Pentecost, the first day of the 2300 days. The last Rapture is on the Feast of Trumpets 2300 days later (counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning). The Second Coming is on Nisan 1, 7 months later. For there to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, that year has to be a Hebrew Leap Year. The next Leap Year that starts on the 2300th day after Pentecost is 5776 (2015/16).

An easy way to remember 5766 is that the Declaration of Independence was signed in 1776. Tishri 1, 5776, will be Sept. 14, 2015. Nisan 1, 5776, will be Saturday, April 9, 2016. Also, Jesus gave us a hint when he said that he was Lord of the Sabbath. Saturday is the Sabbath, he Shabbat in Hebrew. Heaven, Saturn, is he Shabbatai.

Saturn, Heaven, is Jesus Christ's throne, Eze. 1:26 says, "And above the firmament that [was] over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets) [was] the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne [was] the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it." Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani Saturn and priya dear. Jesus was born in September. No wonder September's birth stone is the sapphire. It's meaning as a birth stone is Heaven. That's fitting.

This is the throne that has rings around it. Eze. 1:28 says, "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so [was] the appearance of the brightness round about. This [was] the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD." Heaven has a halo.

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