Pro and Con 1321

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Pro and Con 1321

Posted 2-26-07

The Surface of the Sun

...In reality however, the sun's photosphere is only a "liquid-like" plasma layer made of NEON that covers the actual surface of the sun. That visible layer we see with our eyes is more commonly known as penumbral filaments. This visible neon plasma layer, as well as a thicker, deeper plasma layer of silicon, entirely covers the actual ROCKY, CALCIUM FERRITE SURFACE layer of the sun. The visible photosphere covers the transitional region that is the actual surface of the sun...The surface crust of the sun is mostly made of iron....

My comments

What a surprise! Whoever thought that the Sun could be made of iron? or that a photo would show a bright figure that reminds me of an angel? Some colored underlined words in the article lead to more pictures or videos. It is all very interesting.

Can the human spirit die?

By Marilyn Agee
In "Body, Soul and Spirit," by Dean Vandruff (, it says, "The best and most clear explanation I could give you is that you do not have a soul, you are a soul. You may or may not have a live body, and YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE A LIVE SPIRIT...But in either case you are a soul. YOUR SOUL IS YOUR ETERNAL SELF THAT WILL SPEND ETERNITY IN HEAVEN OR HELL."

The soul spend eternity in hell? I don't think so, because both Eze 18:4 and 20 say, "THE SOUL THAT SINNETH, IT SHALL DIE." It will die at the "SECOND DEATH", but that doesn't mean total annihilation. Man has three parts. I Thess. 5:23 speaks of "your whole spirit and soul and body". As I understand it, the first death is of the body, the second death is of the soul; and what is it that could spend eternity in hell? the spirit of man, the worm that can't die, the candle of the Lord that was never lit. Psa 18:28 says, "For thou wilt light my candle".

Job 25:5,6 says, "the stars are not pure in his sight. How much less MAN, THAT IS A WORM? AND THE SON OF MAN, WHICH IS A WORM?"

In the Old Testament, Isa 66:24 says, "And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for THEIR WORM SHALL NOT DIE, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh."

In the New Testament, Mark 9:43,44 says, "if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: WHERE THEIR WORM DIETH NOT, and the fire is not quenched."

There is a "second death," but not a third. Rev 20:6 says, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. I haven't found any Scripture that says that the spirit of man will die in hell. It seems that once created, the spirit of man is eternal.

There is a SPIRIT OF MAN and a SPIRIT OF GOD, and each person can have both, but the spirit of God is optional. In the Old Testament, Zech 12:1 says, "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the SPIRIT OF MAN within him." In the New Testament, 1Cor 2:11 says, "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the SPIRIT OF MAN which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but THE SPIRIT OF GOD."

Prov 20:27 says, "The SPIRIT OF MAN IS THE CANDLE OF THE LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly. I think the unlit candle, or lamp, is a symbol of the spirit of man before accepting the Lord Jesus Christ. When the person is saved, Christ lights that candle or lamp. The symbol is even used of another type of salvation. Isa 62:1 says, "for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the SALVATION THEREOF AS A LAMP THAT BURNETH."

In the parable of the ten virgins in Mt. 25, Jesus likened the lighted spirit of man to lamps fueled with oil. The oil stands for the Holy Spirit of God. The lamps represent the spirit of man, which is lighted by Christ when the person is saved. The lamp holds the oil of the Holy Spirit. 2Sa 22:29 says, "For THOU ART MY LAMP, O LORD: and the LORD will lighten my darkness."

The ten virgins in Mt. 25 are all saved, because their lamps are all lit, even though the foolish virgin's lamps are sputtering and threatening to go out. We know from the parable of the ten virgins that we need to keep our spirit of man fully supplied with the oil of the Holy Spirit. Eph 5:18 says, "be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit." 1Thess 5:19 says, "Quench not the Spirit."

No wonder Luke 16:8 calls believers "children of light." John 8:12 says, "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have THE LIGHT OF LIFE."

The soul that is saved will NEVER DIE, but the soul that is lost will die. Mt 16:26 says, "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and LOSE HIS OWN SOUL?" We should make sure that we don't lose our soul. We need Christ, the light of the world, to give us 'the light of life."

The SECOND DEATH, death of the soul, is possible for unbelievers, but not for believers. Rev 2:11 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the SECOND DEATH." Rev 20:6 says, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." Rev 20:14 says, "death and hell were cast into the lake of fire." This is the SECOND DEATH. Rev 21:8 says,"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the SECOND DEATH."

An example of a soul-man is an unbeliever. He is self-conscious, but not God-conscious. Lev. 17:11, 13-14 says, "For the life (nephesh, soul) of the flesh is in the blood....You shall not eat the blood of any flesh: for the life (nephesh) of all flesh is its blood".

Resurrection from death is possible. "And if Christ be in you," Rom 8:10,11 says, "the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But IF the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."

Psa 71:20 says, "Thou, which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth."

Acts 17:26 says: "And He has made from ONE BLOOD (Adam's) every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth".

Gen 1:20-21 says, "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature (nephesh, soul) that has life (nephesh, soul) and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature (nephesh, soul) that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good"

When we die, the soul departs from the body. Gen 35:18 says, "And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin." At death, the body goes into the grave, and the soul goes to either Heaven or Hell.

Paul said, "I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you" ("Phi 1:23,24).

We know that both the soul and body can be killed in hell. Mt 10:28 says, "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is ABLE TO DESTROY BOTH SOUL AND BODY IN HELL." But what about the spirit of man?

If the first death is death of the body, and the second death is death of the soul, what is left to spend eternity in hell but the spirit of man, the "WORM"?

"May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole SPIRIT, SOUL AND BODY be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thess 5:23).

Incoming e-mail, Re: Crossing of the Red Sea

This one is also very interesting too especially at this moment. Shalom...New Zealand.
Evidence of the crossing of the Red Sea....

Pharaoh's Drowned Army
Confirmation of the actual Exodus route has come from divers finding coral-encrusted bones and chariot remains in the Gulf of Aqaba

ONE of the most dramatic records of Divine intervention in history is the account of the Hebrews' exodus from Egypt.

The subsequent drowning of the entire Egyptian army in the Red Sea was not an insignificant event, and confirmation of this event is compelling evidence that the Biblical narrative is truly authentic. Over the years, many divers have searched the Gulf of Suez in vain for artifacts to verify the Biblical account. But carefully following the Biblical and historical records of the Exodus brings you to Nuweiba, a large beach in the Gulf of Aqaba, as Ron Wyatt discovered in 1978.

Repeated dives in depths ranging from 60 to 200 feet deep (18m to 60m), over a stretch of almost 2.5 km, has shown that the chariot parts are scattered across the sea bed. Artifacts found include wheels, chariot bodies as well as human and horse bones. Divers have located wreckage on the Saudi coastline opposite Nuweiba as well.

Since 1987, Ron Wyatt found three 4-spoke gilded chariot wheels. Coral does not grow on gold, hence the shape has remained very distinct, although the wood inside the gold veneer has disintegrated making them too fragile to move....

My reply

I go by what the Bible says. I studied the route the Israelites took out of Egypt. They were never out of one desert (the word translated wilderness means desert) or another. Therefore, they traveled the Way to Shur parallel to the Mediteranean coast, but inland a bit. I think Mt. Sinai is Jebel Halal (62 miles SW of Gaza). After leaving Egypt, they entered the desert of Etham and later the desert of Sinai.

Nu 33:5-8 says, "And the children of Israel removed from Rameses, and pitched in Succoth. And they departed from Succoth, and pitched in Etham, which is in the edge of the wilderness (desert). And they removed from Etham, and turned again unto Pihahiroth, which is before Baalzephon: and they pitched before Migdol. And they departed from before Pihahiroth (meaning place where the reeds grow), and passed through the midst of the sea into the wilderness, and went three days' journey in the wilderness (desert) of Etham, and pitched in Marah." The wilderness of Etham is in the northern Sinai Peninsula near Egypt.

Ex 14:1-4 says, "And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they turn and encamp before Pihahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, over against Baalzephon: before it shall ye encamp by the sea. For Pharaoh will say of the children of Israel, They are entangled in the land, the wilderness (desert) hath shut them in. And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, that he shall follow after them; and I will be honoured upon Pharaoh, and upon all his host; that the Egyptians may know that I am the LORD. And they did so."

Ex 19:1,2 says, "In the third month (Sivan 1), when the children of Israel were gone forth out of the land of Egypt, the same day came they into the wilderness (desert) of Sinai. For they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the DESERT OF SINAI, and had pitched in the wilderness (desert); and there Israel camped before the mount."

From Mt. Sinai to Kadesh Barnea only took 11 days, and that was with their flocks. It was in the desert of Zin, only 25 miles from Mt. Sinai. Num 20:1 says, "Then came the children of Israel, even the whole congregation, into the desert of Zin in the first month: and the people abode in Kadesh". Agape

My thoughts afterward

In this photo from Gemini II, it is easy to see that the desert from Egypt to Mt. Sinai was in the light sandy area near the Mediterranean Sea. There is no "DESERT OF SINAI" showing at the lower tip where St Catherine's Monestary was built.

Who knows what artifacts have been removed or destroyed by digging the Suez Canal?

University of Houston's College of Engineering presents this series....

Darius had built on the route of an earlier canal, begun in 600 BC. And that canal followed the route of an even older canal that served shipping around 1500 BC. Temple carvings show the Queen of Egypt setting out for Africa on that canal. And, as Egyptian history blends into myth, 4000 or so years in the past, it tells of still other canals.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Mysterious bones of Jesus, Joseph and Mary

Mysterious bones of Jesus, Joseph and Mary
By Tim Butcher in Jerusalem
Last Updated: 25/02/2007;jsessionid=SMA4JMPTJ2GGTQFIQMGCFGGAVCBQUIV0?xml=/news/2007/02/24/wjesus24.xml

In a scene worthy of a Dan Brown novel, archaeologists a quarter of a century ago unearthed a burial chamber near Jerusalem.

Inside they found ossuaries, or boxes of bones, marked with the names of Jesus, Joseph and Mary.

Then one of the ossuaries went missing. The human remains inside were destroyed before any DNA testing could be carried out.

While Middle East academics doubt that the relics belong to the Holy Family, the issue is about to be exposed to a blaze of publicity with the publication next week of a book.

Entitled The Jesus Tomb and co-written by Simcha Jacobovici and Charles Pellegrino, the book promises the inside story of "what may very well be the greatest archaeological find of all time".

Some of the ossuaries will be at the book launch in New York, released by the Israel Antiquities Authority....

Mr Gat found 10 ossuaries bearing inscriptions. Some were in ancient Greek and some were in Hebrew.

One inscription said "Jesus, son of Joseph", another said "Mara", a common form of Mary, and another said "Yose", a common form of Joseph.

New film claims Jesus buried in Talpiot
...But Bar-Ilan University Prof. Amos Kloner, the Jerusalem District archeologist who officially oversaw the work at the tomb in 1980 and has published detailed findings on its contents, on Saturday night dismissed the claims. "It makes a great story for a TV film," he told The Jerusalem Post. "But it's impossible. It's nonsense."...

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"How possible is it?" Pfann said. "On a scale of one through 10 - 10 being completely possible - it's probably a one, maybe a one and a half."

Pfann is even unsure that the name "Jesus" on the caskets was read correctly. He thinks it's more likely the name "Hanun." Ancient Semitic script is notoriously difficult to decipher.

Kloner also said the filmmakers' assertions are false. "The names on the caskets are the most common names found among Jews at the time," he said.

William Dever, an expert on near eastern archaeology and anthropology, who has worked with Israeli archeologists for five decades, said specialists have known about the ossuaries for years.

"The fact that it's been ignored tells you something," said Dever, professor emeritus at the University of Arizona. "It would be amusing if it didn't mislead so many people."

Osnat Goaz, a spokeswoman for the Israeli government agency responsible for archaeology, said the Antiquities Authority agreed to send two ossuaries to New York, but they did not contain human remains. "We agreed to send the ossuaries, but it doesn't mean that we agree with" the filmmakers, she said.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Babylon

Yes I know that you believe that ancient Babylon has to be rebuilt first and that you don’t accept America as the new Babylon. I appreciate your comments and the consideration you have given to my argument. Thank you very much.

There is one more practical aspect to the argument though, and that being “That generation will not pass away……” Under one generation or forty years later the temple was destroyed almost to the day. Forty years later after the recapture of the Temple Mount, in 2007 with a situation in the Middle East in turmoil and the imminent threat of a nuclear war, not much time is left for the reconstruction of Babylon, even with the best intentions 100 years would not seem to be enough for the whole world to convert to a Babylon system of economic prosperity so that when it is destroyed all the merchants, traders and sailors of the world will be mourning its sudden destruction. Shalom

My reply

I don't think it will take 100 years to rebuild Babylon. It may not be complete when destroyed, either, but I think the headquarters of the World Church will be ready for the False Prophet to move in Mid-Trib.

Zech 11:15-17 says, "And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd. For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd IN THE LAND (i.e., in Israel), which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces. Woe to the idol shepherd THAT LEAVETH THE FLOCK! the sword (i.e., the Sword of the Lord, the asteroid of Rev. 13:10,11) shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

Rev. 17 takes place at the beginning of the Tribulation, because the Pre-Trib Rapture has taken place. Verse 14 says, "the Lamb (i.e., Christ)...he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that ARE WITH HIM are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Rev 17:3-5 says, "So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness (eremos, desert, i.e., Babylon in Iraq, not the USA): and I saw a woman (symbol of a religious group) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (the great red dragon), full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and TEN HORNS (10 kings crowned at the beginning of the Tribulation, Rev. 13:1,2). And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH."

When this takes place, Rev 17:12 adds, "the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, WHICH HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

By the end of the shortened Great Tribulation, Rev. 18:4 says, "I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." This is the second Rapture, 2300 days after the first Rapture.

Rev 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great CITY (not country) Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

The time covered between the two Raptures is probably 2300 days. Dan. 8:13,14 says, "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (first half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot (during the Great Tribulation)? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." It will be cleansed when the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea.

Re: the 40 years for a generation. Mt. 1:17 says, "So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations."

One name has been dropped from verse 13. It says, "And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor". In the Du Tillet Hebrew manuscript, it says that Abiud begat Avner, and Avner begat Eliakim.

There were 2035 years less 5 (for Jesus was born in 5 BC) to divide by 42. We find out that a generation can be 48.33 years. Therefore, we have eight more years for all this to play out. Agape

Sales job falls to Turkey for new peace plan

Turkish Daily News 2-19-07

Over the weekend Foreign Minister Abdullah Gül threw Turkey's support behind a new peace initiative backed by SEVEN MUSLIM STATES for Israel and the Palestinians, apparently assuming the role of selling Israel on the project.

Gül, on a trip to Saudi Arabia, was said by diplomatic sources to have forwarded a message from Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's to Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah Bin Abdulaziz. The message was that the TURKISH government would support the plan originally drafted by SAUDI ARABIA and PAKISTAN and is now supported by JORDAN, MALAYSIA, INDONESIA and EGYPT.

The new "plan of seven" is surfacing parallel to the so-called "Quartet" of Middle East negotiators, which consists of the United States, Russia, the European Union and the United Nations.

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