Pro and Con 1324

Pro and Con 1324

Posted 3-12-07

Crystal Cave of the Giants - Discovery of the Largest Crystals on Earth

By Richard D. Fisher

crystals southern Chihuahua Mexico, these crystals were formed in a natural cave totally enclosed in bedrock. When I first stepped into the cavern it was like walking into the Land of the Giants. I have often admired crystal geodes held in my hand, but when photographing these unique natural structures it was almost impossible to get any sense of scale. This is a geode full of spectacular crystals as tall as pine trees, and in some cases greater in circumference. They have formed beautiful crystals that are a translucent gold and silver in color, and come in many incredible forms and shapes. Some of the largest are essentially columnar in shape and stand thirty to fifty feet high and three to four feet in diameter. Many of the smaller examples are four to six feet in circumference, have many incredible geometrical shapes, and probably weigh in excess of ten tons. The columnar pillars are at first the most striking shape, but later I noticed there were thousands of "sharks teeth" up to three feet high placed row upon row and dispersed at odd angles throughout the caverns. While some of the crystals are attached to the ceiling walls and floors of the cave as might be expected, some exist in great masses of spikes and almost float in air. These crystals seem to defy gravity, as they must weigh several tons...

These geologists have explained to me that there is a magma chamber two to three miles below the mountain and that heat from this compressed lava travels through the faults up into the area of the mine. Super heated fluids carry the minerals the miners are seeking as well as form the crystals. The mine is ventilated; otherwise, it could not be worked. Some parts, however, are not air-conditioned, such as the Cave of the Crystals, and there you feel the heat from the magma deep below....

'Renew animal sacrifices on Mount' says radical rabbi,2506,L-3371508,00.html

Member of Sanhedrin says sacrifices 'were not possible when the people of Israel were in the Diaspora, but now they are.' Adds: JERUSALEM TEMPLE SHOULD BE REBUILT, Israeli government standing in our way
By Yaakov Lappin

Stein vowed that "we will try to carry out animal sacrifices on the Temple Mount this Passover, as commanded by the Torah."

Incoming e-mail, Re: Ascension Day

Would you please be so kind as to give me the correct date to celebrate Christ’s Ascension this year. Shalom

My reply

Iyar 26 is May 14, 2007.

Huge 'Ocean' Discovered Inside Earth

By Ker Than, 28 Feb 2007

Scientists scanning the deep interior of Earth have found evidence of a vast water reservoir beneath eastern Asia that is at least the volume of the Arctic Ocean.

The discovery marks the first time such a large body of water has (been) found in the planet’s deep mantle...

Wysession has dubbed the new underground feature the “Beijing anomaly,” because seismic wave attenuation was found to be highest beneath the Chinese capital city. Wysession first used the moniker during a presentation of his work at the University of Beijing.

“They thought it was very, very interesting,” Wysession said. “China is under greater seismic risk than just about any country in the world, so they are very interested in seismology.”

"Mysteries of the Atlantic"

3-1-07 - Cardiff University scientists will shortly set sail (March 5) to investigate a startling discovery in the depths of the Atlantic.

Scientists have discovered a large area thousands of square kilometres in extent IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ATLANTIC where the EARTH'S CRUST APPEARS TO BE MISSING. Instead, THE MANTLE - the deep interior of the Earth, normally covered by crust many kilometres thick - IS EXPOSED ON THE SEAFLOOR, 3000m below the surface.

Marine geologist Dr Chris MacLeod, School of Earth, Ocean and Planetary Sciences said: "This discovery is like an open wound on the surface of the Earth. Was the crust never there? Was it once there but then torn away on huge geological faults? If so, then how and why?

Scientists report new type of mid-ocean ridge in remote parts of the Earth

Nov, 2003 - Scientists from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI) have identified a new type of ocean ridge that is spreading so slowly that EARTH'S MANTLE IS EXPOSED over large regions of the sea floor. Their findings of a new ultraslow class of ridge, reported in the November 27 issue of the journal Nature, offer a major change in thinking about the formation of the great crustal plates that make up the surface of the earth....

Dick says that the ultraslow ridges account for 12,000 miles of the total 30,000-mile mid-ocean ridge system....

The discovery of this new class of ocean ridge may also solve a major puzzle in plate tectonics: what the plate boundary looks like in the early stages of continental breakup and continental drift....

Dick says the findings alter the commonly held view that sea floor spreading creates a uniform layer of volcanic rock about four-miles thick. The study means that UP TO 40% OF THE OCEAN FLOOR FORMS IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAN GEOLOGISTS THOUGHT, WITH THE MANTLE BEING EMPLACED AS BLOCKS OVER LARGE REGIONS OF THE SEAFLOOR WHERE THERE IS LITTLE OR NO CRUST.


By Marilyn Agee

Gen 1:1 says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Isa 45:18 says, "thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, HE CREATED IT NOT IN VAIN (tohu, AN EMPTY PLACE WITHOUT FORM, A DESOLATION OF SURFACE), HE FORMED IT TO BE INHABITED". Strong's meaning of tohu says it is "From an unused root meaning to lie waste; A DESOLATION (OF SURFACE), that is, desert; figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain: - confusion, EMPTY PLACE, WITHOUT FORM, nothing, (thing of) nought, vain, vanity, waste, wilderness."

To me, there can be no doubt that Earth was inhabited by animals prior to Adam's day, and therefore no doubt that there was food for the inhabitants, so there must have been a food chain of some sort.

There were also plants on Earth prior to Adam's day. Their seeds and roots were in the ground and were caused to grow in Adam's day. Gen 2:5 says, "And every plant OF THE FIELD BEFORE IT was in the earth, and EVERY HERB OF THE FIELD BEFORE IT GREW".

A huge catastrophe ruined the pre-Adamic Earth, probably because of Satan's sin. His planet Rahab split apart and formed our Asteroid Belt. A piece of his planet probably hit Earth and caused the devastation we read about in Gen. 1:2.

In the KJV, Gen. 1:2 starts out, "And the earth WAS," but the use of hayah shows that it means BECAME in English, because a change took place. It says, "And the earth was (hayah, became) without form (tohu, because the land was drowned in the water), and void (bohu, empty); and darkness was upon THE FACE OF THE DEEP. And the Spirit of God moved upon THE FACE OF THE WATERS." The whole Earth was covered with water. The land animals were gone.

In Gen 1:9,10, "God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto ONE PLACE (i.e., in the newly scooped out Pacific Basin), and LET THE DRY LAND APPEAR: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together (qavah, collecting) of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."

I think when the Pacific Basin was scooped out for the waters, a piece of Satan's planet Rahab that split apart and formed our Asteroid Belt hit the Earth and blasted off the material that became the Moon. The digging of this gigantic basin ultimately caused the continents to split apart in the days of Peleg. Gen 10:25 says, "Peleg (meaning division); for in his days was the earth divided" (palag, split).

Isa 51:9,10,13 gives us some good clues. The KJV says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (the Son of God, Isa. 53); awake, AS IN THE ANCIENT DAYS, IN THE GENERATIONS OF OLD. Art thou not it that hath CUT (chatsab, split, divided) RAHAB (meaning proud), AND WOUNDED THE DRAGON (Satan)?...Art thou not it which hath DRIED THE SEA, THE WATERS OF THE GREAT DEEP...that hath STRETCHED FORTH THE HEAVENS, AND LAID THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH".


The NEB says, "YOU WHO HACKED THE RAHAB IN PIECES AND RAN THE DRAGON THROUGH? ...I CLEFT THE SEA and its waves roared, THAT I MIGHT FIX (nata, fasten) THE HEAVENS IN PLACE (i.e., Saturn was to be the third heaven, II Cor 12:2) AND FORM THE EARTH." Forming the Earth involved separating the continents.

II Cor 12:2-7says, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one [Paul himself] CAUGHT UP [harpazo, to take by force, as in II Thess. 4:16] TO THE THIRD HEAVEN [Saturn]. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up [harpazo] into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me. And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure."

Psa 89:9-11,30 (KJV) says, "THOU RULEST THE RAGING OF THE SEA: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. THOU HAST BROKEN RAHAB (Satan's planet) IN PIECES (it's now the Asteroid Belt), as one that is slain; THOU HAST SCATTERED THINE ENEMIES with thy strong arm. The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them."

Psa 74:12-17 (Confraternity) says, "O God, my king from of old, you doer of saving deeds on earth. YOU STIRRED UP THE SEA BY YOUR MIGHT; YOU SMASHED THE HEADS OF THE DRAGONS IN THE WATERS. You crushed the heads of Leviathan, and made food of him for the dolphins. You released the springs and torrents; YOU BROUGHT DRY LAND OUT OF THE PRIMEVAL WATERS. Yours is the day, and yours the night; you fashioned the moon and the sun. YOU FIXED ALL THE LIMITS OF THE LAND; summer and winter you made" (i.e., by tilting the axis of the Earth by hitting Earth with an asteroid).

Psa 104:1-9,30 says, "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain (the Tabernacle's 10-width curtain stood for the 10 original planets): Who layeth the beams of his chambers (i.e., on Saturn, the 3rd heaven) in the waters (i.e., the 'sea of glass', the ice-crystal rings): who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind...Who laid the foundations of THE EARTH, that it should not be removed for ever. THOU COVEREDST IT WITH THE DEEP AS WITH A GARMENT: THE WATERS STOOD ABOVE THE MOUNTAINS. AT THY REBUKE THEY FLED; AT THE VOICE OF THY THUNDER THEY HASTED AWAY. They go up by the mountains (the NAB has 'AS THE MOUNTAINS ROSE); they go down by the valleys unto THE PLACE WHICH THOU HAST FOUNDED FOR THEM (i.e., the Pacific Basin). Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth....THOU RENEWEST THE FACE OF THE EARTH."

Jer 31:35 says, "Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, WHICH DIVIDETH THE SEA when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name".

The LORD of hosts is the Redeemer, the Son of God. Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and HIS REDEEMER THE LORD OF HOSTS; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

Isa 53:1-6 says of Yahshua/Jesus, "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is THE ARM OF THE LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; A MAN of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. BUT HE WAS WOUNDED FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, HE WAS BRUISED FOR OUR INIQUITIES: THE CHASTISEMENT OF OUR PEACE WAS UPON HIM; AND WITH HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEALED. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and THE LORD HATH LAID ON HIM THE INIQUITY OF US ALL."

Job 26:12-14 says, "HE DIVIDETH (raga, SUDDENLY TOSSED VIOLENTLY) THE SEA with his power, and by his understanding HE SMITETH THROUGH THE PROUD (Heb., RAHAB). By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent (Satan). Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? BUT THE THUNDER OF HIS POWER WHO CAN UNDERSTAND?"

Verse 12 (Darby) says, "He stirreth up the sea by his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through Rahab." The ASV is almost the same. It says, "He stirreth up the sea with his power, And by his understanding he smiteth through Rahab." The turmoil in the sea on Earth and the smiting of the planet Rahab are connected.

The dividing of the Earth (splitting of the continents) took place 100 years after Noah's Flood. What happened in Noah's day probably was the catylist that caused the continents to finally break apart 100 years later. The whole earth was again under water during Noah's Flood.

Gen 7:15-22 says, "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in. And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth. And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and ALL THE HIGH HILLS, THAT WERE UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, WERE COVERED. FIFTEEN CUBITS UPWARD DID THE WATERS PREVAIL; AND THE MOUNTAINS WERE COVERED. And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died".

It happened in Genesis 1:2, and it happened again in Genesis 7. All that were in the dry land died.

I think this happened in Genesis 1:2 because of Satan's sin. What happened in Genesis 7 was because of the wicked angel's sin (Gen. 6:4). God is perfectly just in consigning Satan and his wicked angels to their prison. He may have created man to prove that point to Satan. If man, not able to see God, could still obey him, he was just in putting Satan and the wicked angels, all of whom could see God, in prison for their disobedience.

Gen. 6:1-4 says, "And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God (bene ha elohim, i.e., angels, each one created by God) saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

In the beginning the Earth was inhabited. By what, we are not told, but we have found the bones of dinosaurs, mammoths, mastodons, saber-toothed tigers, etc. There were huge animals on the Earth before Adam's day. We have found insects, bees and spiders preserved in ancient amber. These were all on Earth in those days. We have found fossil fish and many other fossils of life forms that existed before Adam was created, but Adam was the first of his kind--ever. Since the whole world was covered with water twice, we can understand why sea shells are scattered all over the world, also how mountains can be formed of folded sedimentary rock.

"Introduction to the Oceans" says, "The Pacific Ocean is the largest ocean region covering about 30% of the Earth’s surface area (about 15 times the size of the United States). The ocean floor of the Pacific is quite uniform in depth having an average elevation of 4300 meters (14,100 feet) below sea level. This fact makes it the deepest ocean region on average. The Pacific Ocean is also home to the lowest elevation on our planet. The deepest point in the Mariana Trench lies some 10,911 meters (35,840 feet) below sea level as recorded by the Japanese probe, Kaiko, on March 24, 1995. About 25,000 islands can be found in the Pacific Ocean region. This is more than the number for the other four ocean regions combined. Many of these islands are actually the tops of volcanic mountains created by the release of molten rock from beneath the ocean floor" (

The Atlantic is still growing and the Pacific shrinking. The catastrophe in the Pacific is the cause of the slow stately continental creep toward the Pacific Basin. The Atlantic and Pacific ocean floors are vastly different, because the Moon material was blasted out of the Pacific Basin and the continents split apart in the Mid Atlantic. The continents are mainly granite, but there is very little granite in the Pacific Ocean floor. What was once there is now found on the Moon. Volcanos are strung in an orderly line along the Mid-Atlantic Rise. There is no Mid-Pacific Rise. Instead, there are the East Pacific Rise, the Pacific Ring of Fire, random strings of volcanic islands, the deepest trenches on Earth, and numerous seamounts.

Mid-Ocean Ridge

Spreading at different mid-ocean ridges on Earth is shown to vary from .15 to 7 inches a year. The Mid-Atlantic Ridge spreads 1 or 2 inches a year. In contrast, the East Pacific Rise spreads from 3 to 7 inches a year. The seacoast west of the San Andreas Fault in California is moving north. The coast is made up of various terrenes ripped out of their original moorings by the catastrophe. For instance, limestone from 30 degrees south latitude is now found at 30 degrees north latitude.

Because of the sea-floor spreading in the Mid-Atlantic, magma fills the gaps with porous pillow basalt. Cold water sinking into the porous basalt is heated by the magma below. It then shoots out in hot springs found along the lines of spreading. These hot springs bring up metals such as copper, manganese and zinc. Some are black smokers.

In "Plate Tectonics: The Mechanism"
the author says, "The main features of plate tectonics are:

"The Earth's surface is covered by a series of crustal plates.
"The ocean floors are continually, moving, spreading from the center, sinking at the edges, and being regenerated.
"Convection currents beneath the plates move the crustal plates in different directions.
"The source of heat driving the convection currents is radioactivity deep in the Earths mantle."

Does convection actually cause the continents to move? I doubt it. I think the asteroid that blasted the Moon material out of the Pacific Basin caused the continents to drift toward the Pacific Basin.

On the globe, it is easy to imagine Earth's largest scar. the vast area covered by the Pacific Ocean. It is helpful to note that Australia has moved toward ground zero too.

Seventy percent of the world is water. It is so heavy that large oceans should have some stabilizing influence on the continents, yet the continents continue to creep toward the largest ocean on Earth, the Pacific.

Below is another theory that I can't accept, that the Earth was once smaller, then expanded.



...Did Canada's Rocky Mountains and all others surrounding the Pacific Ocean come into existence in a moment of time?

Imagine for a moment an impact like the anonymous Dutch writer visualised -- a super-comet entering the planet below today's India and leaving it as a number of other comets....

Triggered by the live model's high mountain ranges coming into a closed circle surrounding the Pacific Ocean, this craftsman [the author] became increasingly intrigued by the how of expansion and was curious to see more of the mountains. A drive in the Canadian province of Alberta, north-west of Edmonton towards Jasper, led unexpectedly into a region called the "Overlapping Mountains". These mountains, so far inland, must have come into existence by a tremendous side thrust of the Earth's upper crust. Closer to Jasper, this overlapping of crust changes gradually into saw-toothed mountains. These again can only be explained by an enormous side thrust.

At one sightseeing point, facts were given that nearby rocks corresponded with those of a region about 55 miles away and that the two regions were connected by a downward folded mass of the same rock. The only method for achieving such features appears, once again, to be a side thrust....


The model addresses the origin of the Ring of Fire, the strata of high mountain ranges circumventing the Pacific Ocean (Japan included) which emits most of the Earth's seismographic disturbance (see the Map of the Circum-Pacific Region). The model indicates why this Ring of Fire came into existence and why it is so earthquake prone.

Around the Pacific, one continent's range appears to "pick up" where another's left off, forming a dotted circle. Upon deflation of the model, the Ring of Fire systematically contracts into a solid ring around the ocean. The evidence suggests that, at one point in time, these mountains formed a relatively continuous range on a smaller Earth. The formation also indicates that the mountains may be a result of a sudden catastrophe, coming into existence in a moment of time with an impact from a celestial body.

The Pacific Ocean is also evidence of a catastrophe. Its surface has a post-expulsion character. Unlike other ocean floors which are dominated by stretch marks spreading from the crests and the continents, the Pacific's floor appears to be pulled up into tips and then quickly coagulated...

Ring of Fire
The Earth's large mountain ranges, found on the continents surrounding the Pacific Ocean (Japan included), emitting most of the planet's earthquake activity.

Mid-Ocean Crests
The mid-ocean crest system is a series of underwater mountains ranges 40,000 miles long. On a good relief globe it looks like a network of ridges running through the centre of the planet's oceans. The exception is the Pacific Ocean, which has no central crest.

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