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Pro and Con 1329

Posted 4-12-07

I think the Rapture is likely to happen on Ascension Day, May 14, 2007.

PATTERN, FIRST CENTURY
Resurrection Day + 40 days = Ascension
Resurrection Day + 50 days = Pentecost

PATTERN, TIME OF THE END
Six-Day War of 1967 + 40 years = Pre-Trib-Rapture Ascension
Six-Day War of 1967 + 50 years = Jubilee Year

Reply to my email, Re: How about an Ascension-Day Rapture? AND THE LATEST DATES FIT THE FIRST CENTURY PATTERN

...According to I Cor. 10:11; Eccl 1:9, and Job 11:6 this makes sense to me. That's a neat thought about Jubilee in 2017. This could be what we have been seeking all these years! Thank you, Marilyn, for keeping me abreast of your latest. Agape

My reply

You are so welcome. I had to look up the verses you mentioned. Thanks for reminding me of all three. 1 Cor 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (lit., ages) are come." That's beautiful.

Eccl 1:9 says, "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." That's great.

Job 11:6 says, "And that he would shew thee the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is!"

You sure picked good ones. All three, especially I Cor 10:11 and Job 11:6, were the main motivating factors that set me to studying the Bible in a big way. I suddenly realized why Israel's history was written down for us. They were caused to play out dramatic skits to help us understand prophecy. History and prophecy go hand in hand and were written for us upon whom the ends of the ages has come. I thought that all the pieces of the prophetic jigsaw puzzle are on the table. It is up to us to fit them together. As you know, I'm still looking for pieces that fit.

Since the day for a year was abused by some, I failed to consider it in connection with the 40 days between Resurrection and Ascension Day and the 10 days between Ascension Day and Pentecost until now. Only after working the schedule out the hard way could I see that connection. Now, it confirms the rest. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Interval Between The Pre-Trib Rapture And The Beginning of the Tribulation

Why is there a two year interval between the Pre-Trib Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation?...

I haven't been this excited in a long time. Everything fits like a glove. I believe this is it!

My reply

> > I haven't been this excited in a long time. Everything fits like a glove. I believe this is it!

Yes! This just may be it, and we are already on the countdown of the omer.

Lev. 23:15,16 says, "ye shall count unto you from the morrow (Sunday) after the sabbath (Saturday, the Feast of Unleavened Bread in 30 AD), from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering (i.e., from Sunday, the Feast of Firstfruits in 30 AD); seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days (ending on Pentecost); and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD." Jesus ascended on the 40th day of the omer, Iyar 26.

> > Why is there a two year interval between the Pre-Trib Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation?

The shortened Tribulation is a 2300-day BLOCK OF TIME, counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning. Running time is not counted by inclusive reckoning, but blocks of time are counted by inclusive reckoning. An example is the Six-Day War. It started June 5 and ended June 10. We would subtract 5 from 10 and call it the Five-Day War. However, to the Jews, the first day of a block of time is counted, so to them, it is the Six-Day War, and it did last 6 days (5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10).

The Temple Mount was taken on the THIRD DAY, June 7. Why? One reason was because Jesus was resurrected on the THIRD DAY, but the Lord doesn't miss a chance to leave clues concerning the future. It looks like the Second Advent will take place in a certain future THIRD YEAR (1967 + 46 + 3 = 2016).

Mark 14:58 says, "We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within THREE DAYS I will build ANOTHER made without hands." He was talking about the temple of his body, and he was resurrected in three days, but it also seems to resonate in the future.

John 2:19-21, Jesus "said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in THREE DAYS I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, FORTY AND SIX YEARS was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in THREE DAYS? But he spake of the temple of HIS BODY." It looks like Jesus will return 46 years plus THREE YEARS from 1967 (1967 + 46 + 3 = 2016), but I am getting ahead of my story. More about this later.

Back to the shortened Tribulation. Dan. 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., to start on Sivan 6, 5769, May 29, 2009, and continue during the first half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot (during the last half of the Tribulation)? And he said unto me, Unto TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." I think the sanctuary will be cleansed on the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, 5776 (Monday, Sept. 14, 2015), 7 months before the Second Advent on Nisan 1, 5776 (Saturday, April 9, 2016).

No wonder Jesus said he was Lord of the Sabbath. If I remember right, both his comings are on the Sabbath. Mark 2:27,28 says, "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore thetSon of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

The year that starts on the Day of God's Wrath has to be a Hebrew Leap Year with the 13th month for there to be 7 months between Tishri 1 (Day of God's Wrath) and the following Nisan 1 (Day of the Second Advent on the first day of the Regnal Year). Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." He will be glorified at the Second Advent.

Applying these, I think the end of the shortened Tribulation has to be Tishri 1, 5776 (Monday, Sept. 14, 2015). Counting back 2300 days by Jewish inclusive reckoning, the Tribulation will start on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5769 (Friday, May 29, 2009).

If the Rapture is on Ascension Day, Iyar 26, 5767 (Monday, May 14, 2007) in the 40th year after the Six-Day War of 1967, there will be a 2-year gap between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5769 (Friday, May 29, 2009).

The gap will probably be like "THE SPACE OF TWO YEARS" when Paul was preaching. Acts 19:10 says, "And this continued by THE SPACE OF TWO YEARS; so that all they which dwelt in Asia (meaning muddy, i.e., the Earth, as in Rev. 1:4) heard the word of the Lord Jesus, both Jews and Greeks" (i.e., Gentiles).

God gives mankind plenty of chances to be saved, even when God's wrath is being poured out on Babylon. Of that time, Rev 14:6-8 says, "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for THE HOUR OF HIS JUDGMENT IS COME: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication."

It sure seems like Ascension Day, Iyar 26, 5767, Monday, May 14, 2007, will be the Rapture. Nothing else that I can see now fits like this. It seems quite natural for our ascension day to be on the Lord's Ascension Day, 2007, since he is the head of the Church, the Body of Christ.

Why did Scripture reveal in 27 AD, that the Temple had been 46 years in building? That shows that the date of the Crucifixion was in 30 AD, as I've had to explain so many times. It reveals that Tiberius was Co-Rex with Augustus in 12 and 13 AD, as the coin with both their heads on it indicates. When Jesus was baptized when nearly 30 years old in 26 AD, it was the 15th year of Tiberius and the 45th year of the Temple construction. The 46TH YEAR of Temple construction, 27 AD, was the first Passover of Jesus' ministry. He was crucified THREE YEARS later, in 30 AD.

John 2:18-21 says, "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things? Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and IN THREE DAYS I WILL RAISE IT UP. Then said the Jews, FORTY AND SIX YEARS was this temple in building, and wilt thou REAR IT UP IN THREE DAYS? But HE SPAKE OF THE TEMPLE OF HIS BODY." That's true. Literally, the body of Jesus was raised up in three days.

The Tabernacle was built according to the pattern shown Moses in the desert. Ex 25:9 says, "According to all that I shew thee, after the pattern of the tabernacle, and the pattern of all the instruments thereof, even so shall ye make it. " Solomon's Temple was built according to the pattern David gave him. The pattern set by the years that Herod's temple was being built also seem important.

The pattern of these years is simple. In 27 AD, the Temple had been 46 years in building. There were 3 more years to Jesus' ascension in 30 AD. That is another first century pattern that seems to apply to the end times.

In our days, the Temple Mount was acquired in 1967. Adding 46 years brings us to 2013. Adding another 3 years brings us to 2016, when the Second Advent will probably take place on Nisan 1, 5776, Saturday, April 9, 2016. The fabric of the end-time map has been interwoven, strengthening it, seeming to lock the dates in place.

Jesus was crucified and resurrected in 30 AD, 40 years before Herod's Temple went up in smoke in 70 AD. That may tie in with our going up to meet the Lord in the clouds 40 years after the Temple Mount was again in the hands of Israel (1967 + 40 = 2007).

The Jubilee Year should start March 28, 2017. In Lev 25:8-13, the Israelites were told to, "number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years (i.e., 1967 + 49 = 2016, 5727 + 49 = 5776). Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement (i.e., Tishri 10, 5777, Sept. 12, 2016) shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year (starting Nisan 1, 5777, March 28, 2017), and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field. In the year of this jubile ye shall return every man unto his possession." Agape

UNESCO IS REBUILDING BABYLON

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2007/kay412-2.htm

In 1985 Saddam Hussein began the arduous task of restoring the ancient city of Bablyon. He spent over 500 million dollars to reconstruct the city and build a modern residence on the ruins of Nebuchadnezzar's palace. It is said that Saddam believed himself to be something of a reincarnated King Nebuchadnezzar. The Iraqi dictator imitated the ancient ruler by having his name inscribed on the bricks used to rebuild the city. He even went so far as to mint coins that emphasized the connection between himself and Nebuchadnezzar. Unfortunately for Saddam, his grand plans for the city of Babylon were interrupted by the US invasion of Iraq. However despite Saddam's removal from power and subsequent execution, the work to rebuild Babylon has continued.

Today the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization is pumping millions of dollars into Babylon and several other historical sites in Iraq. With the help of private donors the UN is hoping to turn Babylon in to a thriving center of tourism and commerce. If everything goes according to plan, Babylon will be a cultural center complete with shopping malls, hotels, and maybe even a theme park.

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Rapture -Ascension Day!!

This is...the one who went to Heaven and came back.

I so.oo appreciate your posting about the Pre-Trib Rapture could well be Ascension Day! It seems that the Lord had put this on my mind, some weeks ago. I can't overload you with so many details, but many Christians I know are especially witnessing to Jews, tying up responsibility for things, getting things straight with their kids.

WHAT A BLESSING!! Isn't our Lord so loving to give us this assurance to look forward to.

Here, There or in the Air!

My reply

Thanks for letting me know. Now is the time to get ready.

> > WHAT A BLESSING!! Isn't our Lord so loving to give us this assurance to look forward to.

Yes! Praise the Lord. Agape

Quake lifts Solomons island out of the sea

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070407/sc_afp/solomonsquakeisland;_ylt=AmWxTgtJeBcLwaF8np6Dex0DW7oF

RANONGGA, Solomon Islands (AFP) - The seismic jolt that unleashed the deadly Solomons tsunami this week lifted an entire island metres out of the sea, destroying some of the world's most pristine coral reefs.

In an instant, the grinding of the Earth's tectonic plates in the 8.0 magnitude earthquake Monday forced the island of Ranongga up three metres (10 foot).

Submerged reefs that once attracted scuba divers from around the globe lie exposed and dying after the quake raised the mountainous landmass, which is 32-kilometres (20-miles) long and 8-kilometres (5-miles) wide....

At Pienuna, on Ranongga's east coast, locals said much of their harbour had disappeared, leaving only a narrow inlet lined by jagged exposed coral reefs either side.

Villager Harison Gago said there were huge earthquake fissures which had almost split the island in half, gesturing with his hands that some of the cracks were 50 centimetres (20 inches) wide.

Further north at Niu Barae, fisherman Hendrik Kegala had just finished exploring the new underwater landscape of the island with a snorkel when contacted by the AFP team.

He said a huge submerged chasm had opened up, running at least 500 metres (550 yards) parallel to the coast....

"It just shows the incredible force of the earthquake, to move a whole island."...

Mosaic pavement of a zodiac in the 6th century synagogue at Beit Alpha, Israel.

http://www.answers.com/topic/hebrew-calendar

My comments

The original Zodiac, drawn by Adam and Seth, and probably overseen by Enoch, was God's picturebook in the sky. God named the stars that helped tell the gospel story before the Bible was penned. The Zodiac also helped them keep track of the years.

In Ant. III. VII. 7, Josephus, a first-century Pharisee priest, mentioned the zodiac. He said, "Each of the sardonyxes declares to us the sun and the moon; those, I mean, that were in the nature of buttons on the high priest's shoulders. And for the twelve stones [on the breastplate], whether we understand by them the months, or whether we understand the like number of the signs of that circle which the Greeks call the ZODIAC, we shall not be mistaken in their meaning." I now understand why a certain sign of the Zodiac was assigned to each of the 12 tribes of Israel.

In Wars. V. V. 5, Josephus explained more. He said, "Now the seven lamps signified the seven planets; for so many there were springing out of the candlestick. Now, the twelve loaves that were upon the table signified the circle of the ZODIAC and the year".

Incoming e-mail, Re: The KING's Return

Thank you so much for your gracious response to my question. You give very sound reasons for the Terminal generation being 40 years. May I further impose on your vast knowledge and ask: How long was a generation from Adam to Noah?

My reply

Let's see, Adam to Noah. Noah was born in 1056 AH, and he was the tenth generation. A generation would be 105.6 years. The life span decreased after the Flood, so the length of a generation would have changed after that too. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: FACES ON THE WALL

WOW!

Definitely clearer and closer face on bride! Things are looking up!

Incoming e-mail, Re: Ascension Day

Happy Easter! I truly enjoy your website. That is so fascinating that 40 years ago was the start of the Six-Day war, everything seems to be pointing to a very soon possibility of a Rapture!! I truly believe it will happen this year, and as time goes on, there seems to be more evidence or signs of His soon return. Do you have others tell you the same thing as far as this being the possible year? Have you read Daniel Matson's book? I am totally fascinated with the exactness of dates and numbers, God just totally blows me away!! Even if it doesn't happen this year, I am totally looking forward to being "face to face" with our Lord and Savior!! Thanks for all your hard work and looking forward to hearing from you!!

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. I, along with others, think the Rapture will take place this year. I haven't read Matson's book, but I've visited his website and read his email posted on the Five Doves site. I think he is looking for the Rapture on Pentecost this year. I was too, until Easter. That's when I began to see the likelihood of an Ascension Day Rapture.

As far as I can see, it fits the puzzle perfectly. Jesus ascended on Iyar 26, the 40th day after the Resurrection. I think we will ascend too, in the 40th year since the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War, when they took the rest of Jerusalem and the temple area. The soldiers went up to Jerusalem, then up to the Temple mount. It seems possible that jurisdiction over the Temple mount was given away, because the Temple was not to be built for another 40 years. When the spiritual Temple is gone, the physical Temple can be built.

It will be there when the Tribulation begins. Rev 11:1,2 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." That is the first half of the Tribulation.

Pentecost means 50 and the Jubilee is the 50th year. That correlation is good.

I think we are close to the Rapture now. The Six-Day War was the Sign of the End of the Age, and it is locked in place. When Israel came out of Egypt, the 19-year old males were still young. Those 20 and over were no longer considered young. In 1967, Israel was 19, the last year she could be considered young.

Mt 24:32=34 says, "Now learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, West Bank and Sinai), ye know that summer is nigh (the Six-Day War began June 5; summer began June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the kingdom of God, Luke 21:31) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the two Raptures). Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Red Heifer

Thinking about the 'end times' fastly approaching....do we know anything about a 'proper' Red Heifer, that should be available for sacrifice? Thank You

My reply

As far as I can tell, there is no red heifer that has been accepted by the authorities in Israel. The one found in 1998 grew some white hairs and was disqualified by 1999.

Israel expects the red heifer to be available in connection with the Messiah's appearance and for the rebuilding of the Temple. The rub is that the False Messiah will appear before the real one.

The red heifer is supposed to be 3 years old, so it looks like one will be found soon after the Rapture. Its ashes will be needed to purify the priests that will build the Temple, and maybe supposedly purify the False Prophet before he sits in the Temple Mid-Trib.

Because of the Rapture, we may not be here when the red heifer appears. That could even be why there seems to be a two-year break between the Rapture and the Tribulation.

Moses and Elijah will know what should be done with the red heifer during the Tribulation. The Satan-possessed False Prophet could even have them killed because they preach against his use of the ashes of the red heifer and stand in the way of his sitting in the Temple. There is a lot that we can only guess at during the Tribulation. He will kill them Mid-Trib for some reason. Rev. 11:7 says, "And when they (Moses and Elijah) shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (Satan indwelling the False-Prophet) shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

Rev. 12:7-9 tells when Satan will be cast INTO the Earth--Mid-Trib. It says, "And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out INTO THE EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him."

Satan will immediately come up out of the Earth and enter into the False Prophet. Rev. 17:8 says, "The beast that thou sawest (i.e., the great red dragon, Satan) was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man now); and shall (Mid_Trib) ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, AND GO INTO PERDITION (the False Prophet, the 2nd son of perdition): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot, the first son of perdition), and is not (in man at the time of the Rapture, he is not in man until he comes up out of the bottomless pit Mid-Trib), and yet is" (exists).

This is written as if it is at or soon after the time of the Rapture. Verse 14 says, "he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that ARE with him are called, and chosen, and faithful." It is at a time when the ten kings "have received no kingdom as yet" (v. 12). They get their kingdoms at the beginning of the Tribulation. All 10 are crowned at the beginning of the Tribulation in Rev. 13:1,2). It now looks like there will be a 2-year gap between the Rapture (when the 10 kings have not yet received their kingdoms) and the Tribulation (when the 10 kings receive their kingdoms). Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re:

Oh Marilyn, What a good academic communicator your are!! I will have a pleasant time sharing this with my Bible Study Group tomorrow night and especially with some Hebrew Christian friends!!!!!!!! Here, There or in the Air!

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. Agape

Jesus tomb film scholars backtrack

By ETGAR LEFKOVITS, Apr. 11, 2007

Several prominent scholars who were interviewed in a bitterly contested documentary that suggests that Jesus and his family members were buried in a nondescript ancient Jerusalem burial cave have now revised their conclusions, including the statistician who claimed that the odds were 600:1 in favor of the tomb being the family burial cave of Jesus of Nazareth, a new study on the fallout from the popular documentary shows...

Shimon Gibson, who was part of the team that excavated the tomb two and half decades ago and who appeared in the film, is quoted in Pfann's report as saying he doubted the site was the tomb of Jesus and his family.

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