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Re: Be Ready Against the Third Day
For some reason I being pointed toward the idea that we should be ready against the third day. The first day is the announcement, the second is for preparation and cleansing and the third is the day of His revealing. The days are feast days, not three days in a row such as Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Beginning with the Penticost or Shavuot, the second is Rosh Hashana, and the third the Day of Atonement, Yom Kippur. Does this make any sense to you?

Are we prepared for the deceiver to finally reveal himself and fool many into thinking he is the Christ? Just a thought that came to me as I was about to sign off the network.

My reply

Me too, about the third day, except I had no inkling of its referring to feast days. I was counting Lord's Days. At Sinai, they were to wash their clothes and be ready the third day. Those were literal days, but since I think Rev. 1:10 shows that the Rapture is on Sunday, I am counting Sundays and hoping. This is the "blessed hope."

As for the fall feast days, I think they will be fulfilled in the Millennium. I can't see that they have to do with the Pre-Trib Rapture. It seems to me that Song of Solomon 2:8-14 shows which season it will be. It does not sound at all like autumn. See what you think. It sounds most like spring to me.

I the KJV, it says, "The voice of my beloved! behold, he cometh leaping upon the mountains, skipping upon the hills (only fits Christ)....My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone (the latter rain of Nisan); The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (tor, turtledove, a migrating bird) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (Christ), in the secret...of the stairs" like Jacob's ladder, one end on Earth, the other in Heaven).

In the New Jerusalem Bible, verse 13 says, "The fig tree is forming its FIRST figs and the blossoming vines give out their fragrance." How could this be at the time of the fall feasts?

It was with a sigh of relief yesterday when I finally got HTML on the last of the answered emails that have been floating around in my folder. I have 480 emails waiting in my Inbox, all read but unanswered. Looking for a certain one is like looking for that needle in the haystack. This is in spite of sending answers as fast as I can. I send 5 and get 15, send 2 and get 7 etc., hard to catch up. I fight to keep them under 500. Some that needed to be posted right away got posted, but not answered. I use all of my available time. There is no more. I hope people understand if they do not get timely answers. I am doing my best. Some have asked why I do not put more negative emails up. I can't get the HTML on the most important ones fast enough to worry with many derogatory ones. I posted the worst one I ever got though. It was short and easy to code.

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Responding To Naysayers
TO: THOSE WHO FEEL THE NEED TO CRITICIZE MS. AGEE.
FROM: AN ORDAINED MINISTER, SPIRIT FILLED BELIEVER IN OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST.

I accepted Jesus Christ as my Saviour in 1970 at the age of 14. Since that time, I have had a heart for evangelism and bringing others into His family. I believe that my foundation has been built on the Rock of Christ and that I have the gift of decernment. I worship no man or woman and I don't trust anything that any person tells me. I go to God's Word for my answers. Thus, I am not shaken when a date comes and goes without the Rapture taking place. So what if we are still here next week, next year, or whenever? Why does it bother you so much? And to the Pastor who said that her work was from Satan -- you obviously haven't read her bio nor have you read her books. I have never met her but can tell from her writings that she is a humble soul who is not doing this work to glorify herself. I'm sure that it would be much easier for her if she just shut this page down. But she has a heart for the lost. My question to you: Have you been wrong before in some of your ideas or thoughts that you were absolutely sure came from the Holy Spirit? I know that I have -- and more than once. These times have made me realize even further Who is in complete control! And no matter how much time I spend in His Word and in prayer, I'm gonna make mistakes because I AM NOT GOD! And neither are you and neither is Ms. Agee. Only God is God. Dates don't matter. What matters is that Jesus is at the door! And our lost world needs to understand this and have a sense of urgency and repent from their wicked ways! Her books and her page are helping many people do this -- probably much better than you are in your church. Most churches in the United States have dropped the ball in reaching the lost that live right down the street from their door. They're great at reaching church people and doing the same ol same ol but they're not very good at being missionaries in their own neighborhoods. Ms. Agee has reached 1000s of people with her work -- many more than I have and, I would guess, many more than you have. And to all of those who she bothers with her dates -- delete her from your favorite page listing if she is bothering you that much. That's what's great about this country -- you have the freedom to tune her out!

My reply

Thanks. I am just an ordinary person with no longing for fame or fortune. I don't even want it at all. I just want everyone possible to accept Christ. I also desperately want every believer to get ready and to operate in the love of God, to be in fellowship with him. That is what matters.

We are living in the end times when it could make the difference between being a wise virgin and a foolish one. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth one of these days. Luke 12:46 says, The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (cut him off), and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers." I wouldn't want that to happen to anyone.

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Dear folks, ---- had another rapture dream this morning. She dreamed that everyone was told that the rapture was about to occur and everyone was given instructions on how to prepare and what to wear. They were told that they had to wear black slacks and white shirts. Then they were to go outside to wait. ---- looked around and noticed that most of the people were not properly attired. She was going around, trying to help them get ready but most were not paying attention. Then a structure came down into which they were to go. They were waiting around for instructions on how to proceed when she noticed that people here and there were being suddenly removed, as in a pouf of air. An outline remained where they had been, but people around them seemed not to notice that they had disappeared. ---- noticed that some of the shirts were not pure white but an off-white color. She thought, "I'll be taken before them because my attire is appropriate." Then she noticed that some of those in off-white were being taken in a pouf. Next she was given an understanding that she was not to go at this time but would have to wait to help those who were left behind.

Suddenly it was all over. Those taken were moved out and no one seemed to notice. She and a friend had been left behind to witness to others. Everything had changed. They went around to tell others that Jesus had taken His bride. No one seemed to care. They went into a 7-11 store to witness but no one wanted to hear what they had to say. One coarse old man said, "Those people? They were taken away because they were mentally ill. Now we can get on with important things." She noticed that the rules and the laws had changed. Animals were no longer obedient to humans and could not be controlled. People seemed openly hostile and aggressive. It had turned into a hostile world everywhere, and it was difficult to make people understand the seriousness of having been left behind. Nevertheless she knew that it was important that she and her friend continue to try to make people understand the truth of what had happened.

Not an altogether pleasant dream. Hopefully ---- won't be required to stay behind when it actually happens, which she feels is to be soon. God bless you all. Love in Christ

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God's Blessings to you Marilyn! It seems this whole week has been filled with snags everywhere I go, and I thank the person writing in to you today for reminding me that protection is what I need. I have continually had to ask for forgiveness for anger, and I didn't realize what was happening, I was covering everyone else with prayer...but I forgot myself! Anyway thanks again!

I have found something interesting which could take place in the rapture, I realize not everyone will see it but maybe they will hear it! Let those who have ears... hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches?

In Rabbi Joseph Herts "Authorized Daily Prayer Book" he states, "The Revelation at Sinai, it was taught, was given in desert territory, which belongs to no one nation exclusively; and it was heard not by Yisrael alone, but by the inhabitants of all the earth, so that all the children of men might understand its world-embracing and man-redeeming message." When Elohim gave the Torah on Sinai, He displayed untold marvels to Yisrael with His voice. What happened? Elohim spoke and the Voice reverberated throughout the world. It says, And all the people witnessed the thunderings (Shemot/Exodus 18:15). Note that it does not say "the thunder," but "the thunderings"; wherefore, R Johanan said that Elohim's voice, as it was uttered, split up into seventy voices, in seventy languages, so that all the nations should understand. When each nation heard the Voice in their own vernacular, their souls departed (ie:they were in fear), save Yisrael, who heard but who were not hurt..Exodus Rabbah 5.9

Acts 2:1-6
"Now when the Day of Shavout/Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.(2-4) And suddenly there came a sound from shamayim, as a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Ruach Ha Kodesh/Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Ruach/Spirit gave them utterance. (5-6) Now there were dwelling in Yerushalayim Yehudim/Jews, devout men, from every nation under shamayim. And when this sound occured, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language."

These verses speak that men of all different tongues/languages were hearing the Sh'lechim/apostles speak in their own languages. This is a very good parallel with the rabbinical thought of the 70 tongues at MatanTorah/Giving of Torah at Sinai...that YHWH spoke to the nations.

There are some very interesting teachings at
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Their Web Page starts with a banner...it reminds me of you and so many of the wonderful people who are on your Pro/Con pages..May God Bless you all greatly!

(The banner says,) "FOR ZIONS SAKE I WILL NOT REMAIN SILENT AND FOR JERUSALEM I WILL NOT REST"

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In response to "The Pastor" you quote in P & C 131, who states, "...It is time for you to give up that act and clearly state that you have been used by Satan to bring shame on the body of Christ. You are wrong. Yes, Christ is coming back! In such an hour as YOU think not...."

I have to ask... Was this written in love? Was this written in joy? Was this written in kindness? Was this written in goodness?

Heavenly Father, I lift up this pastor to you now. I pray that you will convict his heart that he has acted contrary to your Spirit. I pray that he will seek your forgiveness for his error. I ask that you redirect his heart and mind in accordance with the fruit of your Spirit. In Jesus name, Amen.

Marilyn, you are guilty only of faith, hope, and love. God bless you and thank you. Your work has changed my life!

My reply

Thanks.

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Thank you and hang in there!
Marilyn, I bought "The End of the Age" about seven years ago and, not being a Christian, tossed it in with my other "new age" books after I read it. This past January I felt compelled to dig it out of storage and read it again, but this time I've been a Christian for five years. I was very impressed with your knowledge and how so many clues fit together so well. You have done a wonderful job with the web sight and reaching people.

The reason I decided to e-mail you was to explain my approach to determine the general timing of the rapture. I believe in watching the enemy. Satan is going to have to explain why these people disappeared, so I have had an interest in UFO's for some time because I believe that his plan is to convince those remaining that some people were "beamed up". If you look at the dialog among the UFO groupies you'll find entities, such as Ramtha speaking through a channeler, with messages saying that the operation to evacuate the earth, of the people that can't handle the "Age of Aquarius", is finally in place and ready to go in "the twinkling of an eye".

Our culture for the last few years has shown an interesting trend. You can see the groundwork has been layed. Movies like "Independence Day" and now "The X-Files". I believe that we are very, very close and everything in place.

I recomend a book called "Alien Encounters" by Chuck Missler and Mark Eastman. It is a Christian perspective on UFO's and very well written.

May God bless you and your family.

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And what will you do when June 21st comes and goes with no rapture, no trumpets, no angels - nothing! -just life as usual? Do you know WHY nothing will happen? Do you know why you are CONSTANTLY wrong with your silly little predictions? Because you're basing it all on short stories written by MEN, albeit loosely based on the work of a very wise man, Jesus (I do believe he existed, I do believe he was a great MAN. But no more the son of god than you or I are if god is the infinite energy of the universe), and nothing more THAN stories. Some real, some not so real. Written to CONTROL the mindless masses!!!!

My reply

Sounds like you are listening to the likes of Julius Caesar rather than reading the Bible to see if it is true or not. Are you sure Caesar knew what he was talking about? Each one of the "mindless masses" has a brain and can think for himself. Are you sure he can be so controlled? Use your head and think about it a bit.

God has made some astonishing prophecies, so detailed that it would be utterly impossible to have them come true unless he was truly omniscient and omnipotent. And, they have all come true so far l00%. Who else's prophecies ever come true 100%? None.

There is so much information in the Bible, layer after layer, that no man could have ever written it. It all hangs together and tells the same story, even though written down by different men living in different times. It truly is God-breathed.

You have committed sin in your life. All mankind has. Therefore, without a Saviour, we are lost. "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19). He gave you and me another chance. Salvation is a free gift, but you have to accept it. I have accepted Christ as my Lord and Saviour. What have you got to lose anyway? You have everything to lose and nothing to gain. I pray for you understand and to be saved. In Jesus' name, Amen. (Amen means "So be it.")

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My kids love a good treasure hunt! That is kind of like what we're doing also, isn't it? Using our treasure map (scripture), we're seeking the ultimate treasure (the "pearl of great price"). I think we're in the area (time-wise)!

Just a few things in this e-mail of possible interest.

First, per, Day by Day in Jewish History: A Chronology and Calendar of Historic Events, by Abraham P. Bloch, Ktov Publishing House, Inc., New York, 1983, page 180: "Iyar 17 [May 13 this year] . . . . Beginning of the biblical flood (Gen 7:11; Rabbi Joshua, Sanhedrin 108b)." The book does go on to note the singular dissenting view of Rabbi Eleazar who believed it was on Hershvan 17. But, if Moshe (Moses) wrote the Torah under G-d's inspiration, wouldn't all time-lines, even those before the first Passover marking the "beginning of months," Nisan, be measured using the L-rd's religious time-keeping calendar? Most Jews believe so.

Forty days from May 13 (Iyar 17), 1998 is June 21, 1998, as has been astutely pointed out by others at your web-site. After forty days, the ark was "lifted up from the earth."

Secondly, remember when Daniel started praying and fasting before the L-rd, and an angel appeared "twenty-one" days later? The subsequent revelation had much to do with the subject at hand, and the angel stated that he had, indeed, left heaven in answer to the prayer on the first day, but was delayed three weeks. Twenty-one days from May 31, 1998, by non-inclusive counting, of course, is June 21, 1998.

Do you think these things are important?

G-d bless, and my you be strengthened in our L-ord Yeshua (Jesus)!

My reply

It is obvious that someone thought the Sacred calendar could be extrapolated backwards from Moses' day. The note in my Scofield Bible for Gen. 7:11's "second month, the seventeenth day of the month" says, "i.e., May." I remember Dr. Charles Feinberg saying that the Civil calendar could be extrapolated backward because the Bible was consistent. I guess that could hold true for the Sacred calendar as well.

Noah was told to take "clean" beasts into the Ark by sevens. The clear distinction of clean and unclean was made at Sinai, yet here in Gen. 7:2, Noah had that information, maybe 120 years ahead of time. Maybe some things were taught mankind from the first and reaffirmed at Sinai. The sacrifices of Cain and Abel suggest that too.

Since this is as the days of Noah, it is interesting to find that the 40 day count would end on June 21st. I guess we won't have long to find out if this is the way to count it or not. The same thing holds for a spring Rapture, as Song of Solomon 2:11 seems to indicate.

One thought. Can we be sure that the Ark did not float upward until the end of the 40 days? Gen. 7:17 says, "And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth." It was big. It was heavy, made of wood, and it was full of heavy animals, food for all for about a year, plus 8 people. Maybe it did take a long time before it was really afloat completely. A liner today has a deep draft.

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It's Father's Day. June 21.... And we'll still be here Monday..... yeah, we'll have to wait and see.... but if you understood that by rightly dividing the word of truth, that the body of Christ is going to be raptured all of us at once- and that it was a MYSTERY, you wouldn't be living this false hope and dragging it on to the bitter end.

Will you wake up to the truth of the mystery ( which is still a mystery to you ) ???

We were saved by grace - we will be taken out of here as a complete unit- we were baptised into one body by the spirit of God and we are not divided at any time in the eyes of our Lord. ONE is what we are- and we, born again of the holy spirit, members of his body, will all be taken outta here at one time.

When we are gone, there will be those who realize what the heck has happened. They will suffer many terrible things for standing for God's word - they are the overcomers... they are not saved by grace, but by the works of their own flesh. THEY must remain faithful till the end...

Unless YOU realize, Marilyn, the body of Christ was a mystery in the times of the OT prophets and the time of the gospels, YOU will continue to mislead others into thinking they must "have enough oil in their lamps". That's works... and that's a far cry from what God has ALREADY accomplished for us in Christ Jesus our Lord. It would be better to encourage them to live according to the standard of the WORD OF GOD then to keep them living below par- living in fear and condemnation. Fear of not "having enough oil in their lamps"... and condemnation for not "having enough oil in their lamps". That is so far from what God has ALREADY done for us and it's sad that you keep holding on to this concept /philosophy / false teaching about the rapture coming tomorrow.

My reply

> We were saved by grace - we will be taken out of here as a complete unit- we
> were baptised into one body by the spirit of God and we are not divided at any
> time in the eyes of our Lord.

All believers are saved by grace when we believe in Messiah/Yeshua/Jesus Christ, even during the Tribulation. There is no salvation by works at any time, not in Old Testament days, not during the Tribulation.

However, Paul was running a race to win "the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus" (Phil 3:14). He said, "I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway" (I Cor. 9:27). He could not lose his salvation, and that was free, so he was working for another prize. I think the high calling of God in Christ Jesus is the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Peter gave us a list of things to add to our faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity (agape, love), "that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature (Holy Spirit), having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." Then in II Peter 1:9-11, he finished up the section with these words. "But he that LACKETH THESE THINGS IS BLIND (like the Laodiceans), AND CANNOT SEE AFAR OFF (Heaven), and hath forgotten that he was purged from his OLD sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren (believers), give diligence to make YOUR calling AND election SURE: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so AN ENTRANCE shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

I just don't see that the whole Body of Christ is going at once. The Head is already in Heaven. The dead in Christ are already in Heaven (absent from the body, present with the Lord). There are foolish virgins left outside the door, Laodiceans spewed out of his mouth, and those cut off and appointed their "portion with the unbelievers."

Luke 12:45,46 says, "But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the manservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (asunder, i.e., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers."

Mt. 24:48-51 says, "But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

> the overcomers... they are not saved by grace, but by the works of their own
> flesh.

I don't believe that for a moment.

> mislead others into thinking they must "have enough oil in their lamps". That's
> works... and that's a far cry from what God has ALREADY accomplished for us in
> Christ Jesus our Lord.

I think the oil represents the Holy Spirit. That is why we are told not to quench the Spirit and to be filled with the Spirit.

God wiped off the books every sin we committed before we accepted Christ. That is why Peter said "OLD" sins. Now think of why Jesus washed Peter's feet. He told Peter that if he did not wash his feet, Peter had no part with him. But, if he did wash his feet, Peter was every whit clean. You know, Peter got that lesson straight. I think he will be one of the 24 elders. It is after the first Rapture that the Tribulation saints are said to "have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:14). They learn that lesson a bit late, but they finally do learn.

When the Pre-Trib Rapture is "at hand," the Laodiceans are still saying, "I am rich, and increased with goods, and HAVE NEED OF NOTHING; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked" (Rev. 3:17).

As for the Rapture being this weekend, since I am not a prophet, I can't tell you whether it will take place now or later. However, my faith is strong and I am waiting patiently whenever it is. It is our "blessed hope," and I am hoping.

"Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry. Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him" (Heb. 10:35-38). In His love

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