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Pro and Con 1331

Posted 4-22-07

A GOOD DAY FOR THE RAPTURE--
ASCENSION DAY, 2007, IS NOT ONLY IYAR 26 (WHEN THE SIX-DAY WAR STARTED),
BUT IT IS MAY 14 (WHEN iSRAEL DECLARED HER INDEPENDENCE)

GOOD NEWS: ISRAEL HAS A RED HEIFER!
SHE IS THREE AND A HALF NOW, AND MUST BE OFFERED IN HER FOURTH YEAR!

Incoming e-mail, Re: "About the Red Heifer"

...I subscribe to EndTime magazine. This is from page 10-11 of their July/August issue, 2006. I have been watching for 'heifer-news' for a long time, and when this came, it blew me away!! (Article by Irvin Baxter)."...(was with Rabbi Chaim in Israel, leading a tour group. Rabbi is one of the new Sanhedrin)...."the question was asked by one of our tour members, "Rabbi Chiam, what about the red heifer? Are there any prospects on the horizon?"...I was not expecting the bombshell he dropped. Rabbi disclosed matter-of-factly: (T-remember the date here-last summer!)- "...Actually, we now have a red heifer. She is three and one-half years old. This is the first red heifer we've had since the Second Temple era that ended in 70 AD." He then went on to inform us that the location of this red heifer was being kept secret because of the huge frenzy that was unleashed a few years ago when it was disclosed that religious leaders thought they had a qualified red heifer.

That incident occured back in May of 1997. The red heifer's name was Melody. Hope soared among religious jews that this was the red heifer that would cleanse them from contact with a dead body and open the way for the building of Israel's third temple. They believed this would usher in the messianic era when their messiah would be revealed. The news of Melody hit the major news streams, and the story spread like wildfire. You know the rest about her: she grew white hairs before her third birthday and was disqualified.

(then there is some more filler to the story, and it continues here:) Until this disclosure on May 4, information about a possible red heifer had pretty much dried up. Questions surfaced from time to time, but it was ASSUMED that Israel had no red heifer. But SHE DOES! The heifer has been pronounced by the rabbis, and she is old enough to be offered TODAY!" (The rest of the article goes on about it, but I thot the next most important fact was that they said scriptures indicate that she must be offered in her FOURTH YEAR!)...

My reply

Thanks a million....Hurray! Now the Temple can be built! No wonder the priests are practicing building a replica of the Temple. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: "WEIRD dream - Yahshua's resurrection!"

18 Apr 2007 - Thanks so much for your reply, sis! That would be some kind of awesome if He came back for us on Ascension Day this year! I, for one, am all sorts of ready!!! Love from your sister in Yahshua! Peggy: www.his-forever.com

Sharon Kaiser's "Dream"

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2007/sharonk419.htm
(19 Apr 2007)

...I was in a foreign country for a fencing competition, in a Middle East bazaar setting. I entered a shop, full of different items, and stopped at a display which had a beautiful bar of soap with a horse painted on it. It smelled absolutely wonderful; I could smell it in the dream!! The price was 29. It didn't say cents or dollars or whatever currency that country had, and when I asked the clerk how much it cost, she said 29 cents. I bought the soap. When I looked in the bag later, I found my purchase also included a green velvet "scroll" that was rolled up, with wooden posts on each end.

The number 29 made a strong impact on me. As I said, this dream had a very vivid feeling, including that incredible and wonderful scent of the soap. I had the dream this morning.... I counted 29 days from April 18 inclusive and arrived at May 16th.

If any of the Doves have insight to this dream, please post. I thank God for you, John, and the Five Doves. May we see our beloved Jesus face to face soon.

Sharon Kaiser
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Sharon, 29 is the number for DEPARTURE. John

DREAM OF JAN MIKAEL, "A CALL TO ESCAPE !"

(19 Apr 2007)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2007/janm419-3.htm

..." In my dream I was just divorced, and lived in a wonderfull pent-house, with a great wiev, over the sea between Danmark and Sweden. I loved my appartment, and I think there were a kind of house-warming, because a lot of christian friends and family-members, my children and also my x-wife were there.

My x-wife, my youngest daugther and I, sat arround a table, and talked together, and all over the appartment people talked with each other, the atmosphere were open, friendly and warm.

But suddenly I saw something on the sky, outside the windows to the balcon. It was like a slowly fallen leaf from a tree, or like a feather. No sound at all, just this fall from the sky, outside my windows. I looked back to my guests and said: take a look, what gone happen ? - but no one listen. Then I looked out again, and I saw it became bigger and bigger, and the tempo it fall with have hasten.

Now it took form like an open boat, or like an open coach without wheels, and I heard a voice say: its time to go now Jan. -First I was surprised, and then I talk with high voice to all. I think its time for us to go now, but no one reacted. - I looked at them, but they were like - " paralyzed, frozen in time," and it was like they could or would not not hear me ? - I dont no exactly how to describe it, I just hope you could understand this terrible situattion.

Again I heard the voice: you must come now Jan, its time, come up here. - I looked back a little stressed, perhaps I also tried to call again ? - but no reaction, so I run to the balcon, jumped into that beautiful "somethings," like a great nutshell, and in a split-second, it goes direct to the sky." - end of dream !

Dear Lord Jesus, we want to say yes and thanks Lord, to your invitation to the wedding in Heaven, pleace help us to become worthy, open our eyes, ears, hearts and mind for you, and let the Holy Spirit finish us, and make us worthy.

Marana-tha - come Lord Jesus, come soon and take us Home to you. - jan mikael

Incoming e-mail, Re: Date of rapture

I always thought the calculation for the time of the rapture had to be simple enough for the average "watching" believer to grasp; therefore, I didn't think one had to be a numerics researcher or amateur astronomer to figure it out. It was so simple and there all the time: the end of the 40 year generation from the date of regaining Jerusalem (both individual signs we already knew were important), and now there is planned high promotion of this anniversary across the world. It's nice God is using Israel to publicize this significant happening so Christians will take note.

You did a fantastic job placing the future timeline together, beginning with the May 14, 2007, date. Hopefully, our elderly earthly bodies will hold together until May 14 - and, believing Catholics will be raptured, my puppy is in heaven and I don't care if the Pope is the antichrist (his future is up to him as with every human being). Love

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. It is a wonder I didn't see this pattern sooner, but it probably wasn't meant for me to see it too soon. Things do go the way the Lord wants them to. Anyway, I never give up trying--or watching. Love

Incoming e-mail, Re: April 17?

I thought that Ascension day is 40 days after Easter Sunday. This year Easter Sunday was on April 8th.

This would make Ascension Day on May 17th. if you count includes April 8th. if you start on the 9th.it makes the Ascension day on May 18th.

My reply

It doesn't matter when we celebrate Easter today. Because the Resurrection was on Sunday in 30 AD, we celebrate Easter on Sunday. It is close, but not exact.

In counting exactly when Jesus ascended, we should go by the Jewish Calendar in 30 AD. That year, Nisan 13 was Thursday, the Preparation of the Passover, the day of the Crucifixion. Nisan 14 was Friday, the Passover, Nisan 15 was Saturday, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 16 was Sunday, the Feast of Firstfruits and the day of the Resurrection. The 40 days start with day one on Monday, Nisan 17, and go on down to Iyar 26, the 40th day, the day Jesus ascended..This year, Iyar 26 falls on our May 13/14, and May 13 is Mother's Day. What a gift for Mother's Day the Rapture would be.

I think the 40-day countdown dovetails into the 50-day countdown of the omer to Pentecost. Lev 23:15-17 (JPS) says, "And ye shall count unto you from the morrow (Sunday) after the day of rest (Saturday, the Sabbath), from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the waving (from SUNDAY, THE FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS); seven weeks shall there be complete; even unto the morrow (MONDAY) after the seventh week shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall present a new meal-offering unto the LORD. Ye shall bring out of your dwellings two wave-loaves of two tenth parts of an ephah; they shall be of fine flour, they shall be baked with leaven, for first-fruits unto the LORD."

There were 14 days of Nisan and 26 days of Iyar, 40 days total, to Iyar 26, Ascension Day. This date holds true, regardless of which day of the week it happens to fall on. Iyar 26 is May 13,14 in 2007, because the Jewish day begins at 6 PM on our previous day.

At the first "trump of God" (i.e., at the first Rapture, the Pre-Trib Rapture), I Thess. 4:13-18 shows that there is both resurrection and ascension to meet Jesus in the clouds ON THE SAME DAY, because both happen when the TRUMP OF GOD sounds.

I Thess. 4:13-18 says, "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren (believers), concerning them which are asleep (i.e., the dead in Christ), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." Agape

His reply

Thank you for your e-mail.

You have amazing knowledge of the Bible. I have read your first book back when you thought the Rapture would be in 1998, and I have not read your web site for quite some time. It is a funny thing, I got a strange feeling to take a look again, and see what you though was happening, and found this new insight. God bless you.

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Dead in Christ Shall Rise First

I agree with your expectation that the Rapture will be on Ascension May 14, 2007. Based on 1 Thess 4:16-17, we are told that the Rapture happens in two phases: first the dead in Christ rise, then at some unspecified time later we which are alive and remain shall be caught up. My question is about the time between the two phases. Do you think the dead in Christ will be around long enough to be seen by everyone still remaining, both true believers in Christ and non-believers? I do hope so because there will be many who may be on the fence and may need a little push to believe in Jesus salvation--and forever seal their eternal state. Whatever thoughts you may have on this topic would be of great interest to me. Thanks.

My reply

Remember that Iyar 26 starts at 6 PM on May 13 and ends at 6 pm on May 14. May 13 is Mother's Day. The Rapture would be a great Mother's Day present.

Note: May 14 is Israel's Independence Day too.

> > Do you think the dead in Christ will be around long enough to be seen by everyone still remaining

No, not by everyone, but they will probably be seen by some. On Resurrection Day in 30 AD, those that came out of their graves were seen in Jerusalem, but the time interval was short. Jesus took them to Heaven between the time in the morning when he could not be touched and the time in the evening when he could be touched. I expect the time interval at the Rapture to be similar.

In John 20:17, "Jesus saith unto her, TOUCH ME NOT; FOR I AM NOT YET ASCENDED to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

Later that day, he could be touched. Luke 24:39,40 says, "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: HANDLE ME, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet."

The time between the "two phases" of the Pre-Trib Rapture seem NO LONGER THAN IT TOOK ON RESURRECTION DAY. In Rev. 1:10, John said, "I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's DAY, and heard behind me A GREAT VOICE, AS OF A TRUMPET, SAYING, I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST." The TRUMPET blast lasted long enough for the Lord to say, "I AM ALPHA AND OMEGA, THE FIRST AND THE LAST."

In I Thess. 4:16, we find out that both phases take place at one blowing of the "TRUMP OF GOD" and at one "SHOUT."

In Rev. 4:1. John heard the "voice as it were of a TRUMPET talking...which said, COME UP HITHER...AND IMMEDIATELY" he became in the spirit". He was in Heaven with Jesus right away.

In I Cor. 15:51,52, I can't detect any delay, either. That is the second trump of God, the Pre-Wrath Rapture. If we can be made immortal in the blink of an eye, I can't see the whole thing taking more than a day.

At the first Rapture, the Pre-Trib Rapture, 1Th 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Seeing the Rapture take place is going to bring a lot of people around. The number saved during the Tribulation can't even be counted (Rev. 7:9).

Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited PATIENTLY (as in Rev. 3:10) for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up (i.e., caught me up in the Rapture) also out of an horrible pit (in the Earth), out of the miry clay (as Jeremiah was brought up out of the miry pit by a strong cord and rotten rags), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven, i.e., Saturn), and established my goings. And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT (THE RAPTURE), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD."

Only the Bride of Christ sings the NEW SONG. That includes all of the wise Philadelphian virgins caught up in the first Rapture (Rev. 5:9) plus the 144,000 Israelites caught up in the second Rapture.

Rev. 14:1-5 says, "And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth (in the Pre-Wrath Rapture). These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the FIRSTFRUITS (last rank of firstfruits) unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Hexagonal pattern on Saturn

I still don't get it. There is a hexagonal pattern to the temple as indicated on your website; yet you can't seem to see the same exact pattern in the picture of Saturn the other week. I mean, I am pretty convinced that is the heavenly temple yet you have said nothing of it as being a warning sign of God. The only thing I can think of is that it is simply TOO literal and God wants us to be very discerning who knows about it; almost like rejecting that concept means rejecting Christ...like He is standing right before us or something... Any thoughts?

(P.S> DOn't be too disappointed if the Lord doesn't come in our lifetime ). In Him

My reply

I don't get this either. What hexagonal pattern was there in the earthly Temple?

The hex pattern at the north pole of Saturn does not obey any laws of nature that we know of. Every other pole pattern we have seen is circular, including Saturn's south pole. The hex pattern at Saturn's north pole is obviously controlled by God. Of course it is a sign. It is such a great demonstration of the power of God that it has every astronomer mystified.

I think Saturn is the "third heaven," the "paradise" Paul was caught up to in II Cor. 12:2-4. It says, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN (Mars, Jupiter, Saturn). And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." We need ears that hear. Rev. 2:7 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the TREE OF LIFE, which is in the midst of the PARADISE OF GOD."

What was denied Adam in the beginning will be given to overcomers in the end.

Gen. 3:22,23 says, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the TREE OF LIFE (representing Christ), and eat, and LIVE FOR EVER. Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden."

I think Saturn is the "sapphire stone" that symbolizes the place of the throne of Jesus in Eze. 1:26-28. It says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the four terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE STONE: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (i.e., Saturn's ring system). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about (both the appearance of the rainbow and Saturn's rings is caused by sunlight on ice crystals). This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face".

If Saturn is the location of Jesus' throne, it could be the location of the heavenly Temple of which the Tabernacle on Earth was the pattern. Heb. 8:5 says, "Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the PATTERN shewed to thee in the mount."

There were three cube-shaped spaces in the Tabernacle, and later the earthly Temple, that stand for three spheres, where the length, breadth and height are also equal. The Holy of Holies represents Heaven, which I think is Saturn. To get to Heaven, the Holy of Holies, one would have to go through the Holy Place. Therefore, I think the other two cubes, which together are called the Holy Place, represent Mars and Jupiter.

One would also have to enter the Holy Place through the vail that was torn in two from the top down when Jesus was crucified. His ultimate sacrifice opened the way into Heaven for mankind.

II Ch. 3:14 says, "And he made the vail of blue, and purple, and crimson, and fine linen, and wrought cherubims thereon." The cherubims on the vail represent the same type of things (planets) as the four cherubims in Eze. 1 and 10 that stand for the four terrestrial planets.

Eze. 1:15,16 shows that one cherubim represents the Earth. It says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (lit., lively things, i.e., flying things), behold ONE WHEEL (orbit) UPON THE EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces (i.e., a sphere facing east, south, west and north). The appearance of the wheels (orbits) and their work (maaseh, operation) was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work (operation) was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel" (i.e., the concentric orbits of the four terrestrial planets).

Eze. 10:1,2 says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims (terrestrial planets) there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone (i.e., Saturn), as the appearance of the likeness of a throne (i.e., Christ's). And he (as the judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ) spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (orbits), even under the cherub (Satan, who lives on the asteroid called Wormwood in Rev. 6:10,11), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims (terrestrial planets), and scatter them over the city (Jerusalem)." This asteroid will destroy Babylon on the Day of God's Wrath. Jerusalem will only get coals of fire scattered over her.

> > DOn't be too disappointed if the Lord doesn't come in our lifetime

I would be terribly disappointed. I think the generation that started with the Six-Day War in 1967 is the terminal generation. Forty years from 1967 is 2007. The Israelites were tried 40 years, then went into their promised land. I think the trial of our faith lasts 40 years, then we will go into our promised land, Heaven. I would never lose my faith, that's rock solid, but I would be disappointed. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Hi Christian Sister

I've been checking out your website since 1998. And I just felt the Lord would want me to share with you this GREAT KJV Audio Bible you can either listen to online or download any book in the bible and listen to it on your pc , ipod or mp3 player. I feel blessed on being able to have this audio bible because I listen to right when I get up in the morning. I've also finished a bible project on getting all the major important bible verses in the New Testament and making them in .wav's so I can put on CD and freely distribute to others. I'm spiritually addicted to GOD's Holy Words in the Bible and i'm never going to Quit.

http://www.audiotreasure.com/indexKJV.htm

Well, I hope you are right this time on thinking the Rapture is going to happen within the next month. I want to leave this evil world so much and be in Heaven with our Lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST so much .

One quick question. When the Rapture happens, do you think our whole body will be Caught Up To heaven to meet the Lord in the Air ? I've always believed this, but it seems the Word of God is trying to tell me something different that our eathly bodies won't enter Heaven, but our Spiritual Bodies only. So that would mean when the Rapture happens our mortal bodies will just drop dead and our Soul and Spirit will be Caught Up To heaven. I just know if this correct , that would line up perfectly for the son of perdition ( who we call the anti christ ) to decieve the world . Fake Christians will be still left alive and they will say , no it wasn't the Rapture, for i'm still here and no one has vanished. Have you ever thought of this Christian Sister ?

Anyways, Bless you and your husband in the name of Jesus Christ. KEEP LOOKING UP ! It's so NIGH !!

Christian brother from Ohio :)

Luke 24:39 Jesus said ,Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

John 3:6 Jesus said ,That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Cor 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Col 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ.

1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

My reply

Thanks.

> > Well, I hope you are right this time on thinking the Rapture is going to happen within the next month. I want to leave this evil world so much and be in Heaven with our Lord and Saviour JESUS CHRIST so much.

I feel the same way. We're not young any more. Ed says he is getting weaker every day. That's a bummer for one who has always been very active. As far as we are concerned, it can't come too soon. We long to be with Christ too.

> > One quick question. When the Rapture happens, do you think our whole body will be Caught Up To heaven to meet the Lord in the Air ?

All I know about the body is what I find in Scripture, but I think the chances are good that we will not leave a body behind.

Jesus was resurrected. When he ascended, he left no body behind. Acts 1:9 says, "while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight." It didn't mention any change in appearance. We are called the Body of Christ. I take it that we will go up the way the Head of the Body of Christ went up.

In II Cor. 12:2, Paul was taken up to the third heaven. He couldn't tell if he was in the body or out of the body.

1Cor 15:44 says, "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

Enoch and Elijah were raptured when still alive. They left no body behind. Some men searched for Elijah three days and didn't find a body. During the Tribulation, Moses and Elijah will be killed. After 3 days they will be raised up and people will see their bodies ascend. I assume that their ascension will be similar to that of Jesus.

People will see the Rapture happening. Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD (as in Rev. 3:10); and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit (the grave), out of the miry clay (body of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings. And he hath put a NEW SONG (as in Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT (the Rapture), AND FEAR, AND SHALL TRUST IN THE LORD." Agape

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