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Pro and Con 1339

Posted 5-26-07

Saturn emerging from behind our Moon

Incoming e-mail, Re: What do you think now?

The 14th of May has come and gone. What do you think now? Seriously, I am not scoffing nor sneering, I am just as disappointed because I am watching also. I know He is coming soon.. He is just gracious that none be lost who could come to Him and He is waiting for that very last one to repent and come to Him! I used to accuse my daughter of holding up the rapture but she says she has repented and come to the Lord! Praise the Lord for this! I love Him so much I can't think of anything else. Living here in Haifa, Israel is difficult because most people don;t want to talk about God.

Yesterday, I was telling God everything I believe and it came to me, like a flash, that there HAS TO BE GOD because we people are too selfish and sinful to even make up the 10 commandments! Why would we, when we all seem to love sin so much? I say this because many people (Jews) here do not believe in God, mainly because they can't see Him doing anything anymore. The Christian Arabs whom I know don't believe in the same things I believe in and some are very shallow in faith. I know there are many people I have not met who DO believe in God and have more faith, at least I hope so!

Anyway, I just needed to talk about how I feel... and living here I am so isolated in my beliefs and I do appreciate your point of view and insight into the scriptures. I am sorry if I don't express myself with clarity. I have been here for 18 years and forget some English - and it's not that I know Hebrew so well - I am at the illiterate stage where I have forgotten one language and have not moved entirely into my second language! Sorry! Very sincerely yours,

My reply

You express yourself very well in English. Thanks for writing. Not only has May 14 passed, so has May 23 and 24, Sivan 6 and 7, the Jewish Pentecost.

> > many people (Jews) here do not believe in God, mainly because they can't see Him doing anything anymore.

I don't know why they can't see that the Lord fought for them in the Six-Day War of 1967 (except they are partially blinded that the fullness of the Gentiles may come in). The Six-Day War stands out like a beacon light for me. Tiny Israel winning against 5 well-equiped much larger nations plus Lebanon is hard to believe. Tiny Israel against one of the five big nations would surely have resulted in running Israel into the sea if it hadn't been for God. Israel's time had come, pure and simple, and the time of the Rapture will come too. God keeps his promises, and he keeps them on time. The schedule was set before Adam was created.

In John 14:2-4, Yeshua/Jesus, both man and God, said, "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I WILL COME AGAIN, AND RECEIVE YOU UNTO MYSELF; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know." I think Yeshua's throne is on Saturn (the "third heaven" of II Cor. 12:2, Mars, Jupiter, then Saturn), and we do know the way. Our Cassini spaceship is in orbit around Saturn now.

In the Six-Day War of 1967, Egypt attacked Israel on 5 fronts, Saudia Arabia on 2, Jordan on 3, Iraq on 1, Syria on 3, and Lebanon on 1. By what I can see, Israel would have lost that war if God hadn't intervened. Lots of heavy equipment was already abandoned when Israel got to certain spots. Who scared the enemy out of there but God, who went before them? They also took the rest of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount. That is significant.

That reminds me of 1917, when the Turks fled Jerusalem without a shot being fired. That was the beginning of important things happening at intervals in the 400s.

OH WOW! I forgot about the 490th year since 1517 actually being 2007/2008, and not just 2007. It is so easy to forget to think in terms of Jewish years. I have long said that the easiest mistake to make in figuring Bible Chronology is one year. Maybe I have done that now.

Could the 490th year mark the Rapture in 5768 (our 2007/2008), when Pentecost will be Sivan 6, 5768 (June 6, 2008)? Maybe! Let's see. I'll have to map it out so I can be more certain and you will know what I am talking about.

God added up blocks of years in the 400s (400, 430, 450, 480, 490) and referred to them in Scripture. Why? Looking back on historical events concerning Israel may reveal a pattern to these years in the 400s when we add them to 5278 (1517), when Jerusalem fell to the Ottoman Turks and Martin Luther tacked his 95 theses to the church door. That might have started a different kind of clock ticking. The blocks of years in the 400s may have modern parallels.

THE 400 YEARS

Gen. 15:13 says, "And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them FOUR HUNDRED YEARS." Acts 7:7 says, "And the nation to whom they shall be in bondage will I judge, said God: and after that shall they come forth, and serve me in this place." The Exodus happened. What God says is as good as a promise. It will take place.

THE MODERN COUNTERPART

5278 (1517/1518) + 400 years = 5678 (1917/1918)
Jerusalem was liberated by Gen. Allenby in 1917.

That fall, General Allenby walked into Jerusalem and was welcomed as the liberator after God scared the Ottoman Turks out of the city. All Allenby did was drop leaflets with a short message signed by "Lord Allenby" over the city the previous day, and the Turks fled.

THE 430 YEARS

Ex. 12:40,41 says, "Now the sojourning (moshab, seat, site, abode; i.e., abiding, or time lived in both Israel and Egypt, counting from the birth of Ishmael) of the children of Israel who dwelt in Egypt, was four hundred and thirty years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt."

THE MODERN COUNTERPART

5278 (1517/1518) + 430 years = 5708 (1947/1948)
Israel became a nation May 14, 1948. That was significant.

THE 450 YEARS

ActS 13:20,21 says, "And after that he gave unto them judges about the space of FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY YEARS, until Samuel the prophet. And afterward they desired a king: and God gave unto them Saul".

THE MODERN COUNTERPART

5278 (1517/1518) + 450 years = 5728 (1967/1968)
The Six-Day War was fought June 5-10, 1967. That was significant.

THE 480 YEARS

1Kings 6:1 says, "And it came to pass in the FOUR HUNDRED AND EIGHTIETH YEAR after the children of Israel were come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon's reign over Israel, in the month Zif (or Iyar), which is the second month, that he began to build the house of the LORD."

THE MODERN COUNTERPART

5278 (1517/1518) + 480 years = 5758 (1997/1998) 6000th year since Adam was cast out of the Garden of Eden I thought it would be the year of the Rapture, but it wasn't.

THE 490 YEARS

Daniel 9:24 says, "Seventy weeks (of years, i.e., 70 x 7 = 490 YEARS) are determined upon thy people (Israel) and upon thy holy city (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

THE MODERN COUNTERPART?

5278 (1517/1518) + 490 years = 5768 (2007/2008)
The year 5768 starts Sept. 13, 2007.
I wonder if the 490 years will mark the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture? Sivan 6, Pentecost, will be June 6, 2008. It looks like the 490-year benchmark will mark something important.

Back to the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War. Egypt concentrated 90,000 men and 900 tanks in the Sinai Peninsula. Even the UN Emergency Force buffer between Egypt and Israel withdrew, leaving Israel vulnerable. Egypt closed the Straits of Tiran to any help that could come in there to help Israel.

On May 26, 1967, Egypt's president Nasser revealed his mindset, saying, "The Arab people wants to fight. We have been waiting for the right day when we would be FULLY PREPARED. RECENTLY, WE HAVE FELT STRONG ENOUGH TO TRIUMPH, WITH GOD'S HELP." Well, he did not get God's help. If he had, he would have won. No amount of preparation could help Egypt win, because God was on Israel's side.

President Aref of Iraq said on June 1, "We are resolved, determined and united to achieve OUR CLEAR AIM OF WIPING ISRAEL OFF THE MAP. THIS IS THE DAY TO WASH AWAY THE STAIN GOD WILLING." Well, God was not willing, and Israel was not wiped off the map.

On June 4, Ahmed Shukairi, leader of the PLO, said, "Those who survive will remain in Palestine, but I ESTIMATE THAT NOT MANY OF THEM WILL SURVIVE." He got fooled too.

God revealed which side he was on between June 5 and 10, and the UN didn't jump in and help Israel either. If she had, it wouldn't have made any difference. At that point, Israel would have won the war against any odds.

Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "GATHER YOURSELVES TOGETHER, YEA, GATHER TOGETHER, O NATION NOT DESIRED (Israel, in 1948); Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the DAY OF THE LORD'S ANGER come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be HID in the day of the LORD'S anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast".

The word translated "hid" above is the Hebrew sathar, "A primitive root; to hide (by covering), literally or figuratively: - BE ABSENT, keep close, conceal, hide (self), (keep) secret" (Strong's).

How can they be "hid, or absent"? They can accept Yeshua as their Saviour and be caught up to Heaven in the second Rapture, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, on that awful day. Right after that Rapture, every believer will be in Heaven and every unbeliever alive will be left on Earth to suffer God's wrath.

The last verse of Rev. 6 says, "For the great day of his WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Then Rev. 7:9,14-17 answers. It says, "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands..THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb (Yeshua, who died for them). Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb (Yeshua, the Lamb of God, sacrificed for us at Passover in 30 AD) which is in the midst of the throne (it's the 1st day of his millennial kingdom) shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God (Yeshua, both man and God) shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

The more I look into the possible dates for the Pre-Trib Rapture, the more I feel that Pentecost is still the best guess, because the first trumpet of the Bible was at Mt. Sinai on Pentecost (or Hag Ha Kazir, The Feast of Harvest) and that trumpet was sounded by God. We can't get around that one. Also, the Song of Solomon 2:10-14 and Isa. 18:3-7 indicate spring.

I Thess. 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

The Israelites must have arrived at Mt. Sinai on Sivan 3. Then on the third day afterward, Sivan 6 according to Jewish tradition, the trumpet of God sounded. Exodus 19:16 says, "And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the TRUMPET exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled."

At that time, Moses went up, and 1 Cor. 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them (Israel) for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (lit., ages) are come."

I can't see us being here beyond Sivan 6, 5769 (May 29, 2009). That's when I expect the Tribulation to begin. Why? it will be 2300 days before the Pre-Wrath Rapture, and that Feast of Trumpets will be a generation, 48.33 years (according to Mt. 1:17), after the Six-Day War of 1967. The third of a year is Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul, the difference between Pentecost (Sivan 6) and the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1).

The literal Temple will be there at the beginning of the Tribulation. It will probably take one year to build it. The priests have been practicing, the stone is pre-cut, and priests built it in one year in Herod's day. That year could span the time from the Pre-Trib Rapture to the beginning of the Tribulation. It could be that only when the temple of the Holy Spirit, the Bride of Christ, is gone will the literal Temple be built in Jerusalem. Or, the Temple construction could start on Iyar 2, 5768, as a sign. Then the Rapture might take place on the following Pentecost, on Sivan 6, 5768 (June 6, 2008).

Israel now has the red heifer. She is supposed to be sacrificed next year, when she is 4 years old. The ashes will be used to purify the priests that will build the Temple. The Temple will be there at the beginning of the Tribulation. In Herod's day, it took the priests one year to build the Temple itself.

Rev 11:1,2 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months" (the first half of the Tribulation).

In Solomon's day, temple construction started on Iyar 2. II Chron. 3:2 says, "he began to build in the second day of the second month (Iyar/Zif 2), in the fourth year of his reign."

If construction started on Iyar 2, 5768, it could be finished by Iyar 2, 5769. The Tribulation could then start on Sivan 6, 5769 (May 29, 2009) Pentecost.

If the Rapture doesn't happen in this 40th year following the Six-Day War, I will be hoping for it on Pentecost, June 6, 2008. The start of the literal Temple construction on Iyar 2 would be a spledid sign that the Rapture of the Temple of the Holy Spirit was nigh. Shalom. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: rapture??? please help me understand these scriptures

Sherry Yarbrough (25 May 2007)
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/may2007/sherryy525.htm

Why are people looking for the rapture now when scripture clearly says our gathering will not take place until after the man of sin is revealed?

II Th 2:1-12
CHAPTER 21 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (who is this )

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (KJV)

My reply

> > Why are people looking for the rapture now when scripture clearly says our gathering will not take place until after the man of sin is revealed?

This is one time it pays to read several versions. The KJV is misleading in this. There are two things to research.

(1) In verse 2, it should say "DAY OF THE LORD." It was found in some important manuscripts (the Sinaitic Codex, the Alexandrine Codex, and the Vatican Codex) that were discovered after the KJV was translated. The ISV has corrected this. It says, "not to be so quickly upset or alarmed when someone claims that we said either by some spirit, conversation, or letter that the DAY OF THE LORD has already come." When the Day of the Lord comes, the wrath of God will fall on unbelievers only. Both Raptures will have already taken place, one before the Tribulation and one on the Day of God's Wrath, but before the wrath is cast on the Earth. (2) The "departing" (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture of Rev. 4:1) comes before the great and terrible Day of the Lord (Rev. 6:17; 8:1f).

2Th 2:3 in the Geneva Bible (1587) says, "Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come A DEPARTING FIRST, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition". The departing is the Pre-Trib Rapture. The Vulgate has the Latin "discessio", meaning DEPARTURE. The Miles Covendale (1535) and Tyndale New Testament (1526) both have DEPARTING. The World English Bible has "DEPARTURE."

In Liddle and Scott, the second meaning of "apostasia" is DEPARTURE or DISAPPEARANCE.

> > 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. (who is this )

He who "letteth will let" is Old English for he who hindereth will hinder. Bibles with notes in the margin explain this. It is the Holy Spirit residing in believers that hinders the appearance of the man of sin--until the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place. We are the salt of the Earth. Salt retards the growth of leaven in breadmaking. After the Rapture takes place, the man of sin will be revealed "IN HIS TIME" the Tribulation. See Rev. 13. Agape

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