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Pro and Con 1341

Posted 6-16--07

Peres elected president of Israel
Jun 14, 2007...The new president, an 83-year-old Nobel Peace Prize winner who has held all of Israel's top civilian posts, but failed in all his bids for elected office, is to be sworn into office on July 15 for a seven-year term....

A top aide to Israel's first prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, Peres was elected to parliament in 1959, then held a series of top posts, including the premiership, as well as minister of defense, finance and foreign affairs. He served as prime minister in a caretaker role in the 1970s, and once in the 1980s under a rotation agreement with political opponent Yitzhak Shamir after a general election failed to produce a clear winner. He served in the post again in the 1990s after Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated.

My comment

I keep thinking of the handwriting on the wall. It said, "PERES; Thy kingdom is divided" (Dan 5:28).

Incoming e-mail, Re:

Monday, Jun 18, 2007 10:47:13 AM EDT Abbas to Bush: Now is time to resume peace talks - Haaretz

Incoming e-mail, Re:

Now that i have this 1st photo you sent of ARGO. As i made it bigger it has a map on it! All the dots all over the drowing. it could be a star map of some kind to show were to look. Or it could be points on a map on earth. When i 1st see this i was thinking it was just part of the drowing but as you make it bigger the dots are like a over lay on top of the ship. Looks like he was trying to tell us something. funny no one has seen this from the drawing. As you know other artist have done same things with there drawings. To me it looks more like a star map. Know anyone into stars to see if this is what all the dots are?

My reply

Here's another picture:

"Detail of Hevelius star catalog, showing the region of the ancient constellation of Argo Navis (the Argonatut's ship) (since broken up into three smaller constellations: Carina (the keel), Puppis (the stern), and Vela (the sail)). The location of eta Carinae is indicated."

You are right, the painting by Johannes Hevelius, 1690, is a star map of the constellation Argo Navis. On the right side, it says, "Crux." That's the Southern Cross. At the top of the actual picture (larger than this), part of Hydra is seen. "Volans," the flying fish, is at the bottom. Also, Columbis the dove, only partially shown here, is flying above the lion's head on the left.

Wikipedia ( has an image showing Hevelius' whole picture. It says that the constellation Argo Navis "is the only one of Ptolemy's list of 48 constellations that is no longer officially recognised as a constellation, having been broken up by Nicolas Louis de Lacaille in 1752 into Carina (the keel of the ship), Puppis (the poop [deck, or stern]), and Vela (the sails). Were it still considered a single constellation, it would be the largest of all, being larger than Hydra."
Ian Ridpath’s Star Tales ( says, "Eleven more constellations were introduced later in the 17th century by the Polish astronomer Johannes Hevelius (1611–87), filling the remaining gaps in the northern sky. They were illustrated in his star atlas called Firmamentum Sobiescianum, published posthumously in 1690. Oddly enough, Hevelius insisted on observing with the naked eye even though telescopes were by then available; many of his constellations were deliberately faint as though he was boasting of the power of his eyesight. Of Hevelius’s inventions, seven are still accepted by astronomers (see table below). The rejected four were Cerberus, Mons Maenalus, Musca and Triangulum Minor.
Argo Navis The Ship Argo

Argo Navis is a symbolic archetype of a great ship, which crosses the waters of the Deluge as in the Biblical tale of Noah's Arc. It lies entirely in the southern hemisphere...

In ancient Egypt it was seen as the boat which carried Isis and Osiris over the deluge. And the Hindus said that it performed the same function for Isi and Iswara, they called it the ship Argha, which is similar to the Greek title. Others say that the word Argo comes from the Semitic word arek meaning 'long'. The Babylonian Epic of Creation relates how the gods decided to destroy the earth with a flood. The god Ea took pity on humanity and secretly warned a mortal named Uto-Napishtim of the forthcoming disaster. The man set about building a boat 120 cubits high to carry his family, possessions and sundry animals and birds. After the flood subsided, Uto-Napishtim and his passengers were the only survivors. Another Greek tradition according to Eratosthenes, asserted that Argo Navis represented the first ship to sail the ocean which carried Danoes and his fifty daughters from Egypt to Rhodes. ...

The biblical school naturally called it, Noah's Ark, the Arca Noachi, or Archa Noae as Bayer wrote it...

The architectural form of the Church was compared with a ship; the nave from Latin navis is the central part of a church....
The Myth of Carina

At right angles to the deck of the Great Ship Argo Navis there is a faint line of stars. This is Pyxis the Ship's Compass. Since no compass is a straight line, there are those who call Pyxis the Ship's Tiller. Pyxis was named by La Caille in the 1700's who considered the constellation separate from the ship. Pyxis contains T Pyxidis the most active of all known recurring novae. T Pyxidis brightens roughly every twenty years from its normal 14th magnitude to magnitude 6. Since the last maxima occurred in 1967, we should expect an outburst soon
Argo Navis, by Pam Eastlick

Carina (the Keel) also contains Eta Carinae. A century ago, Eta Carinae abruptly brightened to an apparent magnitude of -0.8 and was, briefly, the second brightest star in the sky. The star is now surrounded by a glowing nebula that makes viewing difficult but Eta Carinae appears to be one of the largest stars we know about, perhaps larger than the orbit of Saturn. Astronomers feel that Eta Carinae is very unstable and may soon become a supernova. Perhaps we'll see Eta Carinae become the brightest star in the sky in our lifetimes.
It would be appropriate if it comes in 2007. Canopus (Carinae) is second in brilliance among the stars. Only Sirius is brighter.

Originally, Argo Navis was even larger. There were two ships, standing for the two Raptures.

In my file "God's picture book, "THE WAY," written in the stars"

I said, "ARGO, the ship, (A COMPANY OF TRAVELERS), represents Christ as the Saviour who will bring us into a safe harbor, just as the Ark did in Noah's day)

"Attached to the top of the mast is a BAND, tying it in with the fish in PISCES, to AURIGA, the good shepherd, to ORION and to CEPHEUS, the King of kings. On the prow is the Ram's head (the Lamb of God, ARIES), and down under it, just above the water line, is a face that represents Christ's face.

"ARGO is a huge constellation, with 64 stars, but in Kircher's Egyptian Planisphere, ARGO is represented by TWO SHIPS, just as there are TWO SHEEPFOLDS. Both prows have the ram's head. One stern ends in a fish's TAIL (the resurrected CHRIST, as in CAPRICORNUS). One is in the segment of the sphere from TAURUS to VIRGO, the other from LEO to CAPRICORNUS. One half of the southern meridians is occupied by these two ships. Both are marked with symbols of Christ. I think they represent the two Raptures.

"I would like to see a picture of these two ships in Kircher's Egyptian Planisphere. Since ARGO has the face of Christ on it, I expect the far end of the other one to have the fish tail that depicts his resurrection, and ours. Both are part of one Body of Christ."

Volans the Flying Fish and Columba the Dove are part of the constellation Argo. The southern flying fish is an echo of the fish traveling upward in Pisces. Both depict the Pre-Trib Rapture.
The Witness of the Stars
E. W. Bullinger

In Kircher's Egyptian Planisphere Argo, is represented by two galleys (as we have two sheepfolds), whose prows are surmounted by rams' heads; and THE STERN OF ONE OF THEM ENDS IN A FISH'S TAIL. One of the two occupies four segments of the sphere (from TAURUS to VIRGO), while the other occupies the four from LEO to CAPRICORNUS. One half of the southern meridians is occupied with these galleys and their construction and decoratons.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Grape vines

I wanted to make a small friendly comment on your pro and con of 6/2/07

You mention a quote from It's Time To Nip It In The Bud by Pam Stone, where she states that branches of a grape vine that do not produce fruit are detrimental to the entire vineyard and "sap the strength from the good branches eventually killing the vine" Having grown grapes and studied them for a few years, It's my opinion that she is mistaken or has improperly interpereted the situation. Non fruiting branches do suck sap from the vine but the only effect that i am aware of is to reduce the crop on the branches which are fruiting. Another effect is to block the light getting in to the fruit and fruiting branches.

Apart from disease, the only way i know to kill a vine is to cut it off from the roots, and then though you cut it back to the ground, if it is an established vine it will come back up again (though not as the graft but as the original)

Ok well i hope that comment is useful does not seem argumentative. Your friend

My reply

Thanks very much. I wondered about this very thing. I'm so glad to be able to set it straight. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Pentecost & Rosh Hashanah 2007

May 24, 2007 - But, does the Rapture have to be on this Pentecost of 2007? With the tremendous numbers of Pentecost and the 17th of Tammuz there seems to be some significance building. However, it might not be the Rapture on Pentecost. The one piece of evidence against it is Paul referring to the Rapture as occurring on "the Last Trump" in 1 Corinthians 15. There is debate on this, but the case does seem to be made that the definite article means a specific event known to the Jews as Rosh Hashanah. Pentecost has possible Rapture themes and the numbers do arrive at this Pentecost 2007, but with no time to spare some other numbers have been found or rather missed until now (today) that point to Rosh Hashanah 2007.

With the passing of 2006 and the need to have seven years available to burn the weapons before the mid-tribulation and Pentecost being 2,520 days before the mid-point, it seemed that Pentecost was the last hope to "make it work". However, as usual, there is another key fact that opens the possibilities further. In Signs, it is August 6, 2014 (Av 9-10) that is put forward as the day the Third Temple is "brought low" (Daniel 8). This is the same day as destructions one and two in 587 BC and 70 AD. This day then starts the 2,300 evenings and mornings, which is 1150 days that comes to Yom Kippur 2017. The difference between this and the count from the mid-Tribulation is 110 days (1260 -–1150).

The issue here is that Jesus told the Jews to flee to the wilderness at the time they see the Abomination of Desolation, which occurs 1260 days before the end of the Tribulation. But will all of the Jews heed His words and move out post haste? Probably not, and therefore it may be more likely that a Jewish presence will remain until the Temple is brought low in 110 days (1260 – 1150). What is most interesting about this is that from Pentecost 2007 to Rosh Hashanah 2007 is 110 inclusive days. Therefore, from Rosh Hashanah 2007 to the 10th of Av is 2,520 inclusive days and as has been previously demonstrated, from Pentecost 2007 to the midpoint is 2,520 days. Thus the seven-year window to burn weapons would be at its latest start date on Rosh Hashanah if these are to be a full seven biblical years of 360 days. This is not to be confused with the Tribulation of seven years that seems to run from 2010-2017.

The Rosh Hashanah Rapture then is most significant since it incorporates all that Signs communicates with exception of it being one year later. So instead of eleven years, it comes down to ten years and therefore a fitting comparison to the Ten Days of Awe from Rosh Hashanah to Yom Kippur. A ratio for this worked for 1973 to Rosh Hashanah 2006 to Yom Kippur 2017 in Signs, but it was not to be the day. Just like Rosh Hashanah 2005 was not to be the day even though it was 14,000 days from June 7, 1967. Was the apparent mathematical left to chance? No, it was most likely meant to get our attention in a countdown to the day. What is interesting is that the birth of Christ was similar in that the events and alignments of the heavens covered a time of two years. But actually there are also events much earlier to help us catch a clue.

So, does this mean that we throw Pentecost away as a significant day for 2007? I don’t think so. This of course will need to be looked at further and hopefully the significance will be clear, even if it is only a mathematical marker. Whatever happens the time will become more clear as the Day approaches. I am thinking this may be one amazing Summer, but still anticipating what Pentecost may bring.

A final note is that Pentecost is 320 days from July 12, 2006, the day beginning the timeline from the Lebanon 2 War. This coupled with the 110 days to Rosh Hashanah brings the number to 430 days (actually the total is 429 days due to inclusive counts or one could say day 2 of Rosh Hashanah is 430). Four hundred and thirty years is the time from the Abrahamic Covenant to Israel entering the Land and also the time from the close of the Old Testament to the birth of Christ.

Therefore, watch for Pentecost (5/27), the 17th of Tammuz (7/3), and Rosh Hashanah (9/13-14) as significant days. In Christ

My reply

It is nice to hear from you.

> > it might not be the Rapture on Pentecost. The one piece of evidence against it is Paul referring to the Rapture as occurring on "the Last Trump" in 1 Corinthians 15.

There are two trumpets of God. There can't be a LAST without a FIRST. The first calls up the Bride of Christ at the Pre-Trib Rapture (I Thess. 4:16,17). The last calls up the Tribulation saints at the Pre-Wrath Rapture (I Cor. 15:51-53).

According to Jewish tradition, the first trumpet of the Bible sounded at Mt. Sinai on Pentecost. The Israelites must have arrived on Sivan 3. Then the trumpet sounded on the 3rd day, which was Sivan 6, Pentecost (Ex. 19). To me, this is a good reason to think that FIRST TRUMP, the Pre-Trib Rapture, will be on Pentecost on June 9, 2008 (Sivan 6, 5768), or not later than the beginning of the Tribulation on Pentecost, May 29, 2009 (Sivan 6, 5769).

In the New Testament, the first "trump of God" will sound at the first Rapture, the Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 4:1). I Thess. 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

The "last trump" will sound at the second Rapture, the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints (Rev. 7:9, 14). That is when the entire Body of Christ, regardless of which Rapture he participated in, will actually become immortal. I Cor. 15:51-53 says, Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

We have to keep in mind that the two trumpets of God to call his saints up to Heaven are completely separate from the seven trumpet judgments sounded by angels.

The first trumpet of God will probably happen on Pentecost, just as the trumpet sounded on Pentecost at Mt. Sinai. The second trumpet of God will sound on the same day as the seven trumpet judgments, but it will sound before those seven angels are even given those seven trumpets. Therefore, the last trump of God cannot be the same as the 7th trumpet of judgment given an angel.

The second Rapture takes place in Rev. 7 after the Day of God's Wrath has come in Rev. 6:17, which says, "For the GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?" The seven trumpets are given to the angels in Rev. 8 after Christ, the judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ, is seated during the respectful silence in Heaven and on Earth.

Rev 8:1 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was SILENCE IN HEAVEN about the space of half an hour." Hab. 2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: LET ALL THE EARTH KEEP SILENCE before him." Only after the silence does Rev. 8:2 say, "And I saw the SEVEN ANGELS which stood before God; and TO THEM WERE GIVEN SEVEN TRUMPETS."

> > the case does seem to be made that the definite article means a specific event known to the Jews as Rosh Hashanah.

The Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place on Rosh Hashanah, the Feast of Trumpets, but other things prove that. Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come." Joel 2:1,2 says, "Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong (Gog's army is attacking Israel); there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."

> > the need to have seven years available to burn the weapons before the mid-tribulation

Gog's army attacks Israel on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation, the last half of the 7-year Tribulation. Eze. 38:18-20 says, "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY SHALL COME UP IN MY FACE. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL (worldwide) to the ground."

The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will hit the Mediterranean Sea. That is why the fish shaking is mentioned. Zeph. 2:1-5 says, "Gather yourselves together, yea, gather together (fulfilled in 1948), O nation not desired; Before the decree bring forth, before the day pass as the chaff, before the fierce anger of the LORD come upon you, before the day of the LORD'S anger come upon you. Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S ANGER. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast".

Rev. 16:18,19 says of that day, "there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of HIS WRATH." The weapons will be burned for 7 years after the Day of God's Wrath.

> > it is August 6, 2014 (Av 9-10) that is put forward as the day the Third Temple is "brought low" (Daniel 8). This is the same day as destructions one and two in 587 BC and 70 AD. This day then starts the 2,300 evenings and mornings, which is 1150 days that comes to Yom Kippur 2017

I think that 2300 literal days, each containing an evening and a morning as the days in Genesis 1, is the length of the Tribulation that will probably start on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5769 (May 29, 2009).

Dan. 8:11-14 says, "Yea, he (i.e., the False Prophet) magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away (Mid-Trib, Mt. 24:15), and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., 1st half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? (shortened last half of the Tribulation) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

So the time when they can sacrifice during the first half of the Tribulation plus the shortened last half equals 2300 days. If the Tribulation starts on May 29, 2009 (Sivan 6, 5769, Pentecost), the 2300th day would be Sept 14, 2015 (Tishri 1, 5776, Rosh Hashanah, the Feast of Trumpets). That would be the Day of God's Wrath.

It looks like there will be 7 Jewish months between the Day of God's Wrath (the Day of the Lord), and the Second Advent. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." He will be glorified at the Second Advent, which I think will be Saturday, April 9, 2016 (Nisan 1, 5776). That will be the first day of the Hebrew Regnal Year. That year has to be a leap year for there to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, and 5776 is a Jewish Leap Year with the 13th month. This locks this year in place in the plan of the end times.

The Jubilee would be announced on the following Tishri 10, 5777, and begin on Nisan 1, 5777, the following year, March 2, 2017. The year 2017 is 50 years after the Six-Day War of 1967, the sign of the consummation of the age (5727 + 50 = 5777). That year 5777 sure seems like an appropriate number for the Jubilee too.

I am now expecting the Rapture on Pentecost, June 9/10, 2008, or May 29, 2009. The red heifer must be sacrificed in her 4th year. She is 3.5 now. They will use her ashes to purify the priests that will build the Temple. If it is started on Iyar 2, as Solomon's Temple was, it will only be a few days before Pentecost on Sivan 6. What a sign that would be. That would surely wake up a few foolish virgins. In Herod's day, it took the priests one year to build the Temple proper. If that is repeated in our days, the Temple would be there at the beginning of the Tribulation as in Rev. 11:1,2.

After much study, I think the Temple was between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. The back wall would line up with the wailing wall, but not be against it. That fits Rev. 11:1,2. It says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months." Agape

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