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Posted 7-2-07

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/06/070629-clouds-picture.html June 29, 2007—Still shrouded in mystery, these "night-shining clouds" were photographed illuminating the sky over Budapest, Hungary, on June 15.

They are among the first such noctilucent clouds pictured this year.

AS I SEE IT, THE SETTING OF "THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST" IS ASCENSION DAY, TEN DAYS BEFORE THE PENTECOST RAPTURE, WHICH IS ONE YEAR BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION

By Marilyn Agee

Jesus is the director of the dramatic miracle play "The Revelation of Jesus Christ." He transmitted the script to John, who is both scribe and narrator. In Rev. 1:1:19, Jesus told John to "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture). Hereafter the Rapture starts in Rev. 4:1. The 7-year Tribulation starts in Rev. 6.

THE SETTING: TEN DAYS BEFORE THE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE

It looks like Jesus assessed the status of the church as if it was the Ascension Day that precedes the Rapture on Pentecost. The Rapture is AT HAND in both the first and last chapters. Rev. 1:3 says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for THE TIME IS AT HAND." Rev 22:10 says, "And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for THE TIME IS AT HAND." In Rev 22:20, Jesus signs off with "Surely I come quickly. Amen." He comes quickly at the Rapture. Rev. 2:5 says, "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee QUICKLY, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."

THE PREVIEW: THE PENTECOST RAPTURE

In Rev 1:9-11, John said, "I John, who also am your brother, and COMPANION IN TRIBULATION (i.e., the ten days of tribulation of Rev. 2:10), and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos (which means mortal), for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (i.e., the Day of Christ, the Rapture), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet (the first trump of God, I Thess. 4:16), Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last".

"YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION TEN DAYS" FITS BETWEEN ASCENSION DAY AND PENTECOST

In Jesus' Monologue to the churches, Rev. 2:8-11 says, "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna (meaning myrrh, bitter but sweet smelling, i.e., the persecuted church) write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; I know thy works, and TRIBULATION, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not (British Israelism?), but are THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION TEN DAYS: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches". The Rapture is the thing that can limit this tribulation to ten days.

In Rev 3:8-11, Jesus addresses the church of brotherly love on the same day, probably Ascension Day. He says, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. Behold, I will make them of THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie (British Israelism?); behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (the 7-year Tribulation), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come QUICKLY (he probably will come quickly 10 days later, on Pentecost): hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

THE RAPTURE HAPPENS BEFORE THE TEN KINGS ARE CROWNED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION

By Marilyn Agee

Rev 13:1 says, "I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (nations and people, Rev. 17:16), having seven heads and ten horns, and UPON HIS HORNS TEN CROWNS". This is the beginning of the Tribulation.

Rev 17:12-14 says, "And the ten horns which thou sawest are TEN KINGS, WHICH HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET (i.e., this time is BEFORE the Tribulation begins); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast (the first beast of Rev. 13). These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast (when the Tribulation begins). These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for HE IS LORD OF LORDS, AND KING OF KINGS: AND THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM (i.e., the raptured wise virgins are already with Christ in Heaven) ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL."

Dan 7:7-27 tells us more about the 1st Beast, the 10 kings that come to power at the beginning of the Tribulation, and the False Prophet that comes to full power Mid-Trib. It says, "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron (symbol of Rome) teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet (i.e., with its 10 toes) of it: and it was diverse (different, because it is Ecclesiastical Rome) from all the beasts that were before it (they were considered world empires); and IT (the leader of Ecclesiastical Rome, the 1st beast of Rev. 13) HAD TEN HORNS (ten kings that are crowned as the Tribulation begins). I considered the HORNS, and, behold, there came up among them ANOTHER LITTLE HORN (the False Prophet that comes up Mid-Trib), before whom there were three of the first horns (kings) plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn (the False Prophet) were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things (because he is Satan-possessed).

"I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: THE JUDGMENT WAS SET, and the books were opened. I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast (the False Prophet) was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame (i.e., cast into the Lake of Fire). As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time (probably 7 months, Eze. 39:12,13).

"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man (i.e., Jesus Christ) came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom (that day will be the Day of the Lord and the Day of God's Wrath), that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

"I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and MADE ME KNOW THE INTERPRETATION of the things. These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth (i.e., the kings of Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, and Imperial Rome). But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever. Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron (symbol of Rome), and his nails of brass (symbol of a curse or judgment); which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet; And of the TEN HORNS THAT WERE IN HIS HEAD (the 1st beast of Rev. 13), and of THE OTHER (the False Prophet, the 2nd beast of Rev. 13) which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows (because he is Satan-possessed).

"I beheld, and the same horn (the False Prophet) made war with the saints (that's why the believers of Israel escape to Petra), and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom. Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be THE FOURTH KINGDOM upon earth, which shall be diverse (different) from all kingdoms, and SHALL DEVOUR THE WHOLE EARTH, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces (i.e., divide it into ten regions ruled by ten kings). And the ten horns out of this kingdom are TEN KINGS that shall arise (at the beginning of the Tribulation): and ANOTHER (the False Prophet) shall rise after them (Mid-Trib); and he shall be diverse (different) from the first (i.e., different from the 1st beast of Rev. 13), and he (the False Prophet, 2nd beast of Rev. 13) shall subdue three kings (3 of the 10).

"And he (the False Prophet) shall speak great words against the most High (Christ, Isa. 44:6), and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3.5 years). But the judgment (the Judgment Seat of Christ) shall sit, and they shall take away his (the False Prophet's) dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end (of Armageddon). And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him. "

Since the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place before the 1st beast of Rev. 13 and the 10 kings come to full power at the beginning of the Tribulation, the Rapture seems most likely to take place on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5768 (June 9, 2008). Then the Tribulation would begin on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5769 (May 29, 2009).

Shimon Peres will take office as President of Israel July 16, 2007

Incoming e-mail, Re: Solar Minimum

I think pretrib rapture is what is taught in the bible. I am hoping the rapture happens before the end of 2008 but the sooner the better & that I am caught up to be with Jesus Christ forever when it does finally happen.

I am in no way a scholar but something has caught my attention.

Rev 8:1 RV And when he opened the seventh seal, there followed a silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Could this possibly be hinting at a solar minimum? They say there's a particularly deep solar minimum coming up March, give or take six months. This means it could happen anytime inside of a year after September 2007.

If this is the case, Jesus Christ should have snatched his chosen by then. Would that be anything close to half a billion living people?

Then solar maximum allegedly peaks around 2012.

The sun seems to play a prominent role in revelation and in the rest of scripture & we might be able to use it as an indicator of end-time events.

Do you think there could be anything to this?

My reply

I just posted an article about the probability that the Rapture will take place on Pentecost, 2008. So far, I haven't found a reason to think the solar minimum or maximum ties in.

About the silence. There is silence in Heaven and on Earth. Hab 2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him." I think it is when Christ is seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Agape

Quartet picks Blair as peace envoy

http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/102673.html

Tony Blair will be moving to Jerusalem to become the Quartet's special peace envoy to the Middle East.

A statement released Wednesday by U.N. headquarters in New York confirmed Blair's appointment

Incoming e-mail, Re: AntiChrist

I just happened to come accross your website while searching for some religious information. I must say it is very well presented, and very informative.

Can you tell me, in your opinion, who will be the next AntiChrist??? or the Beast mentioned in Revelations? Thanks

My reply

The first beast of Rev. 13 sounds like the Pope in office when the Pre-Trib Rapture takes place. The False Prophet will be revealed after the Rapture. I don't know who that will be.

Rev 12:3 says, "And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon (i.e., Satan), having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads." The 6th king is crowned at the beginning of the Tribulation. The 7th king is crowned Mid-Trib.

Isa 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable, he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon); and THE PROPHET THAT TEACHETH LIES (7th head of the great red dragon), he is the tail" (because the tail of the great red dragon, Satan, indwells him).

The setting for Rev 17:1-18 is the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture. It says, "I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters (nations and people): With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication (joined), and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication (joining). So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness (eremos, desert, i.e., Babylon): and I saw a woman (i.e., a religious group) sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (the great red dragon), full of names of blasphemy, having SEVEN HEADS and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER (i.e., the Mystery Religion started by Nimrod at the Tower of Babel) OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel?

"I will tell thee the mystery of the woman (religious group), and of the beast (the great red dragon) that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads (i.e., empires) and ten horns (kings). The beast that thou sawest (Satan) was (in Judas Iscariot, the 1st son of perdition), and is not (in man now); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit (right after being 'cast out into the earth' Mid-Trib, Rev. 12:9), and GO INTO perdition (the 2nd son of perdition, the False Prophet): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture), and yet is (exists)."

Continuing, it explains, "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (kingdoms), on which the woman (i.e., the Mystery Religion of Babylon) sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen (the kings of Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, and Imperial Rome), and one IS (the leader of Ecclesiastical Rome is in power at the time of the Rapture), and the other (the False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space (the shortened last half of the Tribulation). And the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (is not in man at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture), even he is the eighth (i.e., the tail of the great red dragon), and is of the seven (he influences all 7 kings called Pontifex Maximus), and GOETH INTO perdition (the False Prophet). And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet (i.e., at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast (the great red dragon). These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture) are called, and chosen, and faithful.

"And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore (religious group) sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. And the woman (religious group) which thou sawest is that great city (Vatican City), which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

The headquarters will be moved to Babylon, Iraq. Babylon III will be destroyed on the Day of God's Wrath. Rev. 18:21 says, "And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: This is a GREAT Biblical truth, TOO LONG HIDDEN

Why did Jesus fold the linen burial cloth after His resurrection?

The Gospel of John (20: 7) tells us that the napkin, which was placed over the face of Jesus, was not just thrown aside like the grave clothes. The Bible takes an entire verse to tell us that the napkin was neatly folded, and was placed at the head of that stony coffin. Is that important? You'd better believe it! Is that significant? Absolutely! Is it really significant? Yes!

In order to understand the significance of the folded napkin, you have to understand a little bit about Hebrew tradition of that day. The folded napkin had to do with the Master and Servant, and every Jewish boy knew this tradition. When the servant set the dinner table for the master, he made sure that it was exactly the way the master wanted it. ; The table was furnished perfectly, and then the servant would wait, just out of sight, until the master had finished eating, and the servant would not dare touch that table, until the master was finished.

Now if the master was done eating, he would rise from the table, wipe his fingers, his mouth, and clean his beard, and would wad up that napkin and toss it onto the table. The servant would then know to clear the table. For in those days, the wadded napkin meant, I'm done". But if the master got up from the table, and folded his napkin, and laid it beside his plate, the servant would not dare touch the table, because the servant knew that the folded napkin meant, "I'm not finished yet." The folded napkin meant, "I'm coming back!"

He is Coming Back SOON!!!

Isaac Newton Predicted The End Of The World

http://www.rense.com/general77/newt.htm

6-18-7 = JERUSALEM (AFP) -- Isaac Newton, one of the most influential scientists of all times, foretold the end of the world by 2060, according to mansucripts by the famous physicist on display since this Sunday at Jerusalem's Hebrew University....

In a letter dated 1704, Isaac Newton, the British physicist and astronomer interested in theology and alchemy, made a calculation based on the biblical Book of Daniel. According to Newton, 1260 years had to elapse between the re-establishment of the Holy Roman Empire by Charlemagne in 800 A.D. and the end of times....

My comment

We have the modern existence of Israel, and the Six-Day War to go by that Newton did not have. The last generation was born in 1967. Adding 70 years for their entire lifespan only brings us to 2037.

My reply to a post on Five Doves site

Pepperpot (28 June 2007) "Revelation and Daniel Beast Questions" http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/june2007/pepperpot628.htm

...what do the crowns represent?...
Any one have any insight? Thanks, Pepperpot

My reply

Crowns show us when that person comes to power.

> > Rev 12: The devil has 7 heads 10 horns and 7 crowns

Rev. 12:3 shows that the time in view is Mid-Trib, because the 7th head, the False Prophet, has been crowned. The 7 kings are the heads of the 7 empires: Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Imperial Rome, Ecclesiastical Rome, and Babylon III.

In Rev. 12, verse 6 speaks about Mid-Trib. It says, "And the woman (the remnant of Israel that "have the testimony of Jesus Christ," v. 17) fled into the wilderness (i.e., Petra), where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." Satan and his angels are cast out of Heaven Mid-Trib. From that point on, the 7th head, the Satan-possessed False Prophet rules during the Great Tribulation.

> > Rev 13: The beast has 7 heads 10 horns and 10 crowns

Rev. 13:1 represents the beginning of the Tribulation, when the 10 horns are crowned. It says, "I...saw a beast rise up out of the sea (nations and people, Rev. 17:15), having seven heads and ten horns, and UPON HIS HORNS TEN CROWNS, and upon his heads (all 7, starting with Nimrod, king of Babel) the name of blasphemy" (i.e., Pontifex Maximus).

All the heads are not said to be crowned in Rev. 13:1, because the 6th head is in power at the beginning of the Tribulation, not the 7th head, the False Prophet who is crowned Mid-Trib. Rev. 13:3-10 tells us about the 6th head. Verses 11-18 tell us about the 7th head.

> > Rev 17: 3 The beast the Prostitute rides on has 7 heads and 10 horns and no crowns are mentioned.

That is because the time is when the Rapture has just taken place. The Tribulation is still future. Rev. 17:10-14 says, "And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is (at the beginning of the Tribulation), and the other (the False Prophet, the 7th head) is not yet come; and when he cometh (Mid-Trib), he must continue a short space (i.e., the shortened Great Tribulation). And the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot, the 1st son of perdition, John 17:12), and is not (in man now), even he is the eighth (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), and is of the seven (Satan influences all 7 of the heads of state), and goeth into perdition (i.e., indwells the False Prophet, the 2nd son of perdition, 2 Thess. 2:3). And THE TEN HORNS WHICH THOU SAWEST ARE TEN KINGS (not crowned until the beginning of the Tribulation), WHICH HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET (i.e., at the time of the Rapture); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and THEY THAT ARE WITH HIM (i.e., at the time of the Rapture) are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Rev. 17:10 indicates that at the time of the Rapture (when the saints are with Christ, v. 14), five of these kings have fallen (Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, and Imperial Rome), one is in power (the Pontifex Maximus of Ecclesiastical Rome), and one (the False Prophet, the Satan-possessed king of Babylon III) is still to come.

> > Dan 7: Does leopard = Greece, Bear = Persia (Iran) and Lion = Babylon (Iraq)

Yes. In order of mention, the Lion = Babylon II (king Nebuchadnezzar ruled at Babylon, which is now Iraq), the bear = Media-Persia, the leopard = Greece, and the 4th beast = Imperial Rome/ Ecclesiastical Rome. The 4th beast is "diverse from all the beasts that were before it (after Imperial Rome fell, Ecclesiastical Rome took over), and it (Ecclesiastical Rome) has ten horns" (Dan. 7:7).

Let's study the 10 horns/kings.

1. These 10 kings are crowned at the beginning of the Tribulation. Rev. 13:1 says, "upon his horns ten CROWNS."

2. These 10 kings have no kingdom yet at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 17:12,13 says, "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, WHICH HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET (i.e., at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast (the .These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

> > Beast has 10 horns - no mention of heads or crowns, but it comes up as an uncounted horn and uproots three horns (10+1-3=8)

The 10 horns are crowned at the beginning of the Tribulation, Rev. 13:1.

> > The horns and heads are explained, but what do the crowns represent?

The crowns show us when the person or persons represented take office.

> > Rev 12: The devil has 7 heads 10 horns and 7 crowns

This means that the time referred to is Mid-Trib, when the False Prophet, the 7th head of the great red dragon, is crowned.

> > Rev 13: The beast has 7 heads 10 horns and 10 crowns

This shows that the 10 kings are crowned at the beginning of the Tribulation, when the first beast of Rev. 13 comes to power.

> > Rev 17: 3 The beast the Prostitute rides on has 7 heads and 10 horns and no crowns are mentioned.

The time represented in Rev. 17 is right after the Rapture takes place. Verse 14 says, ""they that ARE WITH HIM (Christ) ARE CALLED, AND CHOSEN, AND FAITHFUL." There is a gap between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation.

At this time, the ten kings "HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET (i.e., they are not yet crowned); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast" (the 1st beast of Rev. 13).

At the time of the Rapture, the sixth and 7th heads are not yet crowned. The 10 kings are not yet crowned. The sixth head and the 10 kings will be crowned as the Tribulation begins. The 7th head, the False Prophet, will be crowned Mid-Trib. Agape

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