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Posted 7-16-07

Photos: Unsupervised Islamic Digging on Temple Mount

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123042

Babylonian King's Eunuch Really Existed

by Hillel Fendel
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123041

Tiny tablet provides proof for Old Testament

By Nigel Reynolds, 12/07/2007

...This fragment is a receipt for payment made by a figure in the Old Testament

But Michael Jursa, a visiting professor from Vienna, let out such a cry last Thursday. He had made what has been called the most important find in Biblical archaeology for 100 years, a discovery that supports the view that the historical books of the Old Testament are based on fact.

Searching for Babylonian financial accounts among the tablets, Prof Jursa suddenly came across a name he half remembered - Nabu-sharrussu-ukin, described there in a hand 2,500 years old, as "the chief eunuch" of Nebuchadnezzar II, king of Babylon.

Prof Jursa, an Assyriologist, checked the Old Testament and there in chapter 39 of the Book of Jeremiah, he found, spelled differently, the same name - Nebo-Sarsekim....

"This is a fantastic discovery, a world-class find," Dr Finkel said yesterday. "If Nebo-Sarsekim existed, which other lesser figures in the Old Testament existed? A throwaway detail in the Old Testament turns out to be accurate and true. I think that it means that the whole of the narrative [of Jeremiah] takes on a new kind of power."...

Israelite priests hold first gathering since Temple era

July 15, 2007 - Jews belonging to the Tribe of Levi, and particularly the Kohen clan, came together for a mass gathering in Jerusalem on Sunday. It was the first large-scale gathering of biblically-mandated Israelite priests since the time of the Second Temple.

The gathering included lectures and seminars on the history and future of the Temple...

Genetic research over the past several decades has succeeded in isolating a particular DNA signature shared by all members of the Tribe of Levi, making the reinstitution of Israel's priestly caste a relatively simple endeavor once the Temple is rebuilt.

US Pres. Pushes for Another Arab State Alongside Israel

by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/123095 (IsraelNN.com) In a speech he delivered on Monday in Washington, DC, US President George W. Bush announced his intention to convene an international conference for "the establishment of a Palestinian state." The proposed conference, Bush said, would include Israel, the Palestinian Authority and certain Arab states.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Pentecost & Rosh Hashanah 2007

From: Daniel Matson, To: Tng, CC: Agee (below written May 24, 2007)

But, does the Rapture have to be on this Pentecost of 2007? With the tremendous numbers of Pentecost and the 17th of Tammuz there seems to be some significance building. However, it might not be the Rapture on Pentecost. The one piece of evidence against it is Paul referring to the Rapture as occurring on "the Last Trump" in 1 Corinthians 15. There is debate on this, but the case does seem to be made that the definite article means a specific event known to the Jews as Rosh Hashanah. Pentecost has possible Rapture themes and the numbers do arrive at this Pentecost 2007, but with no time to spare some other numbers have been found or rather missed until now (today) that point to Rosh Hashanah 2007.

With the passing of 2006 and the need to have seven years available to burn the weapons before the mid-tribulation and Pentecost being 2,520 days before the mid-point, it seemed that Pentecost was the last hope to "make it work". However, as usual, there is another key fact that opens the possibilities further. In Signs, it is August 6, 2014 (Av 9-10) that is put forward as the day the Third Temple is "brought low" (Daniel 8). This is the same day as destructions one and two in 587 BC and 70 AD. This day then starts the 2,300 evenings and mornings, which is 1150 days that comes to Yom Kippur 2017. The difference between this and the count from the mid-Tribulation is 110 days (1260 -–1150).

The issue here is that Jesus told the Jews to flee to the wilderness at the time they see the Abomination of Desolation, which occurs 1260 days before the end of the Tribulation. But will all of the Jews heed His words and move out post haste? Probably not, and therefore it may be more likely that a Jewish presence will remain until the Temple is brought low in 110 days (1260 – 1150). What is most interesting about this is that from Pentecost 2007 to Rosh Hashanah 2007 is 110 inclusive days. Therefore, from Rosh Hashanah 2007 to the 10th of Av is 2,520 inclusive days and as has been previously demonstrated, from Pentecost 2007 to the midpoint is 2,520 days. Thus the seven-year window to burn weapons would be at its latest start date on Rosh Hashanah if these are to be a full seven biblical years of 360 days. This is not to be confused with the Tribulation of seven years that seems to run from 2010-2017.

The Rosh Hashanah Rapture then is most significant since it incorporates all that Signs communicates with exception of it being one year later. So instead of eleven years, it comes down to ten years and therefore a fitting comparison to the Ten Days of Awe from Rosh Hashanah to Yom Kippur. A ratio for this worked for 1973 to Rosh Hashanah 2006 to Yom Kippur 2017 in Signs, but it was not to be the day. Just like Rosh Hashanah 2005 was not to be the day even though it was 14,000 days from June 7, 1967. Was the apparent mathematical left to chance? No, it was most likely meant to get our attention in a countdown to the day. What is interesting is that the birth of Christ was similar in that the events and alignments of the heavens covered a time of two years. But actually there are also events much earlier to help us catch a clue.

So, does this mean that we throw Pentecost away as a significant day for 2007? I don’t think so. This of course will need to be looked at further and hopefully the significance will be clear, even if it is only a mathematical marker. Whatever happens the time will become more clear as the Day approaches. I am thinking this may be one amazing Summer, but still anticipating what Pentecost may bring.

A final note is that Pentecost is 320 days from July 12, 2006, the day beginning the timeline from the Lebanon 2 War. This coupled with the 110 days to Rosh Hashanah brings the number to 430 days (actually the total is 429 days due to inclusive counts or one could say day 2 of Rosh Hashanah is 430). Four hundred and thirty years is the time from the Abrahamic Covenant to Israel entering the Land and also the time from the close of the Old Testament to the birth of Christ.

Therefore, watch for Pentecost (5/27), the 17th of Tammuz (7/3), and Rosh Hashanah (9/13-14) as significant days.

In Christ, Daniel Matson, May 24, 2007

My reply, July 13, 07

PART I

I am surprised that so many miss the obvious. If there is a last trump of God, there must also be a first trump of God.

RAPTURE ONE, THE FIRST "TRUMP OF GOD"

I Thess. 4:16,17: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I Cor. 15:42: "the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption". The first-trump saints are incorrupt, but not yet actually immortal. That happens when the Body of Christ is completed in Heaven.

RAPTURE TWO, THE "LAST TRUMP" OF GOD, THE PRE-WRATH RAPTURE

I Cor. 15:51-53: "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE (ALL SAINTS, INCLUDING PAUL AND THE OTHER 23 ELDERS RAISED AT THE FIRST TRUMP) SHALL BE CHANGED. For this corruptible must put on incorruption (when raised from the dead, I Cor. 15:42), and this mortal must put on immortality" (at the "last trump").

Order of events:
1. Rev. 6:12: "SIXTH SEAL"
2. Rev. 6:17: "the great day of HIS WRATH IS COME" (i.e., the Feast of Trumpets).
3. LAST TRUMP RAPTURE. Rev. 7:14,15: "These are they which came OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION".

FOLLOWING THE LAST RAPTURE

Order of events:
1. Rev. 8:1: "SEVENTH SEAL...SILENCE IN HEAVEN about the space of half an hour" (i.e., All rise and keep respectful silence while the judge is seated at the Judgment Seat of Christ).
2. Hab. 2:20: "the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the EARTH KEEP SILENCE before him."
3. Rev. 8:2: "SEVEN ANGELS...were given SEVEN TRUMPETS" (trumpets of judgment).
4. Rev. 8:3-5: "ANOTHER ANGEL came...having a golden censer...filled it with fire...and cast it into the earth" (symbolizing the impact of the asteroid Wormwood)
5. Rev 8:6 "seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."
6. Rev. 8:7: "The first angel sounded".

From this, we can see that the two trumps of God are not the same as the seven judgment trumpets sounded by angels. The two trumps of God are sounded to call two groups of saints up to Heaven, the wise virgins and the foolish virgins.

There is one exception. The 144,000 Israelites are called up at the last trump of God, but they are added to the wise-virgin-Bride-of-Christ saints.

Rev. 14:1-5 says, "a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a GREAT THUNDER: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were A NEW SONG before the throne (the saints at the first trump sang "A NEW SONG" in Rev. 5:9), and before the four beasts, and the elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles): and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God."

PART 2

> > it might not be the Rapture on Pentecost. The one piece of evidence against it is Paul referring to the Rapture as occurring on "the Last Trump" in 1 Corinthians 15. There is debate on this, but the case does seem to be made that the definite article means a specific event known to the Jews as Rosh Hashanah.

It looks to me like "THE LAST TRUMP," i.e., the Pre-Wrath Rapture) will be on Rosh Hashanah, the Feast of Trumpets. I don't know exactly why the Jews call Pentecost the "first trump," the Feast of Trumpets the "last trump," and the Day of Atonement the "great trump," but according to Eddie Chumney, and others, they do.

I understand the first trump being Pentecost, because the first trumpet of the Bible was sounded by God at Mt. Sinai in Sivan. The Jews claim that the Israelites arrived on Sivan 3, then the trumpet sounded on the third day, which was Sivan 6, Pentecost. That fits the first trump Rapture very well, because Mt. Sinai represented Heaven, and Moses (meaning saved out of the water, reminding me of Noah's days) went up to God.

The last trump fits the Feast of Trumpets perfectly. That is when the last-trump Rapture takes place, and when all 7 trumpet judgment trumpets will sound. A great blast on the Day of Atonement makes sense too, because that is the day when the Jubilee Year was announced.

Eze. 39:12.13 says, "And SEVEN MONTHS (i.e., on Nisan 1, after the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets) shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., he will return in glory at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD." Nisan 1 is the first day of the Hebrew Regnal Year and Sacred Year. It looks like Jesus will return on the same day all the other Hebrew kings officially took office.

> > With the passing of 2006 and the need to have seven years available to burn the weapons before the mid-tribulation and Pentecost being 2,520 days before the mid-point, it seemed that Pentecost was the last hope to "make it work".

Why do you need 7 years to burn weapons BEFORE MID-TRIB? Eze. 38:18-20 is on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the shortened Great Tribulation. It says, "at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY SHALL COME UP IN MY FACE. FOR IN MY JEALOUSY AND IN THE FIRE OF MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day (THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH) there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paniym, face, i.e., when the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground." That means that every wall of every building in every city will fall. That cannot happen until the asteroid pieces hit Earth. One will hit the Mediterranean Sea. The other will hit Babylon.

Rev. 16:19 tells us about this same day. It says, "the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of HIS WRATH."

Rev 8:8,9 says, "the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain (asteroid) burning with fire was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean): and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed." Babylon will be destroyed. Rev. 18:21 says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

iN Eze. 39:8-13, THE Lord is still talking about the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "Behold, IT IS COME, and IT IS DONE, saith the Lord GOD; THIS IS THE DAY whereof I have spoken. And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and THEY SHALL BURN THEM WITH FIRE SEVEN YEARS (i.e., the first 7 years of the Millennium): So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD. And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And SEVEN MONTHS SHALL THE HOUSE OF iSRAEL BE BURYING OF THEM (Tishri 1 to Nisan 1 in a Jewish Leap Year), that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1), saith the Lord GOD."

> > there is another key fact that opens the possibilities further. In Signs, it is August 6, 2014 (Av 9-10) that is put forward as the day the Third Temple is "brought low" (Daniel 8). This is the same day as destructions one and two in 587 BC and 70 AD. This day then starts the 2,300 evenings and mornings, which is 1150 days that comes to Yom Kippur 2017.

If there are 2300 evenings and 2300 mornings, there will be 2300 days in the shortened Tribulation. Dan. 8:12-14 says, "And an host was given him (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (1st half of the Tribulation, when they can sacrifice at the Temple), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib, when the False Prophet sits in the Temple 'shewing himself that he is God", II Thess. 2:4), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

The sanctuary will be cleansed on Nisan 1. Eze. 45:18 says, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month (Nisan 1), thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and CLEANSE THE SANCTUARY". The sanctuary will be cleansed the day Jesus returns, Nisan 1.

> > the Tribulation of seven years that seems to run from 2010-2017.

I think the shortened 2300-day Tribulation will start on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5769 (May 29, 2009), and end on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). The 2300 days are counted inclusively, because we are talking about a block of time, not running time. Seven months later, on Nisan 1, 5776 (April 9, 2016), I expect the Second Advent. The year 5776 is a Jewish Leap Year. Therefore, there are 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, instead of the usual 6. Whatever that last year, it must be a Leap Year, and there must be 2300 days from a previous Pentecost to the Feast of Trumpets 7 years later. To me, this is the only year that will fit.

The Sign of the End of the Age was in 5727 (June 5, 1967), when Israel grew leaves in the Six-Day War.

5726 (1965/1966) was a Sabbatic Year (it divides evenly by 7)

5775 (2014/2015) will be a Sabbatic Year


In Herod's day, he prepared the materials, then it took the priests only one year to build the Temple proper. If the Rapture takes place on Pentecost, 2008, that would leave a year before the Tribulation begins. According to Rev. 11:1,2, the Temple has to be there at the beginning of the Tribulation. Next Pentecost will be June 9, 2008. I hope the Rapture will be that day.

Incoming e-mail, Re: been waiting for 2008

I was going through Galatians again the other morning and to me it is very specific as we are children of the promise and of new Jerusalem and the NEW covenant. If Hagar represents the old covenant and Jerusalem on earth and children of the old covenant THEN Sarah represents the new covenant and Jerusalem above and children of the promise and she had to wait until she was 90 [ Gen 17:17 ] and then the LORD said:

Gen 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this [[ set time ]] in the [[ next year. ]]

Gen 17:17 Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is a hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

The next year is Sarah's 91st year. Jerusalem has now been freed since Dec 9, 1917 and entered Dec 11, 1917 and 2008 is its 91st year relating covenants, mothers and children. The set time is on Sivan 6 & 7 and that is June 9 & 10, 2008.

My reply

Thanks for reminding me that 1917 + 91 = 2008. That's perfect.

I have been thinking the Rapture would be on Pentecost, because that is when the first trumpet of the Bible sounded at Mt. Sinai. However, when is "THE TIME OF LIFE"? Adam was created on the Eve of the Feast of Trumpets, and Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets.

Gen. 18:10,14 says, "I WILL CERTAINLY RETURN UNTO THEE ACCORDING TO THE TIME OF LIFE; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son....Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I WILL RETURN UNTO THEE, ACCORDING TO THE TIME OF LIFE, and Sarah shall have a son."

2 KiNGS 4:12,16,17 says, "And he (Elisha) said to Gehazi his servant, CALL THIS SHUNAMMITE. And when he had called her, she stood before him...."ABOUT THIS SEASON, ACCORDING TO THE TIME OF LIFE, thou shalt embrace a son....And the woman conceived, and bare a son AT THAT SEASON that Elisha had said unto her, ACCORDING TO THE TIME OF LIFE."

Shunammite and Shulamite are similar. Song 6:13 (LITV) says, "Return, return, O Shulamite! Return, return, that we may gaze upon you. What will you see in the Shulamite? As it were THE DANCE OF TWO ARMY CAMPS (macha?neh, COMPANIES)."

According to Song 2:10-16 and Isa. 18:3-7, the first Rapture will be on Pentecost. I feel sure that the second Rapture will be on the following feast, the Feast of Trumpets (Rev. 6:17; 7:14; 8:1,2).

Re: Pentecost and the secret of the stairs, Song 2:10-16 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land (April to October); The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ), in the secret places of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies."

Re: Pentecost, Isa 18:3-7 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (lit., flag) on the mountains (kingdoms, i.e., the UN); and when he bloweth a trumpet, hear ye. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (see) in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For AFORE THE HARVEST, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (i.e., in the spring), he shall both cut off the sprigs (i.e., with fruit) with pruning hooks, and take away (i.e., to Heaven) and cut down the branches (with no fruit). They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them. In that time (winter) shall the present be brought unto the LORD of hosts of a people scattered and peeled (the Jews), and from a people terrible from their beginning hitherto; a nation (i.e. Jews are sent to Israel) meted out and trodden under foot, whose land the rivers have spoiled, to the place of the name of the LORD of hosts, the mount Zion" (i.e., the earthly Jerusalem).

Another thing that points to Pentecost for the Pre-Trib Rapture is the fact that the Holy Spirit returned on Pentecost to indwell the Church. After looking at this again, I still think Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets sound good for the two Raptures. I think you're right about 2008 for the first Rapture. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: sunspot question

Blessings to you, Marilyn, I love your website and have read consistently for many, many years. I am so blessed that I was able to come across it surfing the internet so long ago.

At your website homepage, can you please dilineate the SOHO sun image with the Hebrew name of God (El) (which means, by the way, “Might”, “Strength” and “Power”). I am just not visualizing it in either Hebrew nor in English. What should we be looking for in the solar image?

I went to a website http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Names_of_G-d/El/el.html to compare with what is showing in the sunspots and can’t make any connection in that particular sun image. I pray for you and Ed, that the Lord keeps you well until the glorious day of His coming for His bride.

Thank you for your years of dedication.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.
Look for "EL", exactly like that, in printed capital English letters.

Strong's Concordance says,

EL: "H410 e^l Shortened from H352; strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity): - GOD (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Compare names in "-el."" (emphasis mine)

DaniEL: "H1840 From H1835 and H410; judge of GOD"

"H352 ayil...From the same as H193; properly strength; hence anything strong; specifically a chief (politically); also a RAM (from his strength); a PILASTER (as a strong support); an oak or other strong tree; - mighty (man), LINTEL, oak, POST, RAM, tree."

No wonder the blood was to be put on the POST and LINTEL, and Jesus is symbolized as the RAM of God.

"H193 ul...From an unused root meaning to twist, that is, (by implication) be strong; the body (as being rolled together) also powerful: - mighty, strength.

Elohim: "H430...Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme GOD".

Eloahh: H433: "probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - GOD, god. See H430."

To see the "EL" on the Sun clearly, try almost closing your eyes, looking through your lashes without squinting, when you look at the picture of the Sun on July 4 on my web site or at: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/realtime-eit_304.html Agape

Her reply

Thanks for your indepth reply. I do see it now - in English letters.

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