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Pro and Con 1346

Posted 7-20-07

Incoming e-mail, Re: debris from comet Tempel-Tuttle

Marilyn, thought you might like this picture, it looks like an Angel

Incoming e-mail, Re: Al-Wahash

I trust God's grace is sufficient in all things as His grace enables me to endure my own trials. Whew, the HOPE we receive in knowing prophecy certainly carries us through. Each day Marilyn, become brighter and brighter, "as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the Day Star arise in your hearts" (2 Peter 1:19).

Marilyn: I've been doing some fresh thinking since 9/11 and consideration of the said coming of the "Beast". Below are several teachings contrary to the shadow picture of the Pope being the anti-christ. These make sense and consider your consideration. These video's are lengthy but Biblically represented and worth while to watch. Before you watch them you can review some of the thoughts contained by doing a web search in Google by typing in "Al-Wahash, Syria."

Scott Dryer's anti-christ, Part I and 2 can be found by Look for "Our Featured Video" section and all three plus will be listed. I don't think Scott teaches or believe in a pre-trib Rapture. Never the less, his teachings deserve much consideration as Islam asserts itself on the Western Civilization as well as Bible prophecy. Most of the prophecy teachers of today seem to be picking up on the Syrian connection also.

In closing, I enjoy and share in your vision of end time events. I am amazed that few others within my circles share the quest to know the time of His Coming and that, yes, there is a pre-rapture and there is also a post rapture. It is like creation, most don't believe either in an ante-chaotic age (dispensation of angels) period either. Being a fundamentalist as I am really separates me from the most. Thank you Jesus! Thank you Marilyn for sharing our faith. God bless

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. A Google search turned up this:
"The Tribulation will begin with the revealing of the antichrist
"The King of Syria will be the Antichrist. Hafez al Assad, the immediate past ...
When Hafez al Wahash (Assad) changed his name, did it change his character? ..."

At the site, it said, "Antiochus Epiphanes is a for glimpse of the Antichrist and created an "abomination that causes desolation" when he desecrated the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem approximately 160 years before Christ, for a 3 1/2 year period. Antiochus Epiphanes was the King of Syria. The King of Syria will be the Antichrist. Hafez al Assad, the immediate past King of Syria and father of the present king was the most brilliant, deceptive, and cunning man in the middle east during his era. Born Hafez al Wahash (In Arabic, Wahash means "Beast") he changed his name to Hafez al Assad (In Arabic, Assad means "Lion.")

"Revelation 13:2a (NIV) The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion."

Here is my understanding of certain scriptures. See if you think they can be interpreted differently.

Dan. 7:3-8 (KJV) says, "four great beasts came up from the sea (i.e., nations), diverse one from another. The first was like a LION, AND HAD EAGLES'S WINGS (that was Babylon II, under Nebuchadnezzar...And behold another beast, a second, like to a BEAR (i.e., Media-Persia)...After this I beheld, and lo another, like a LEOPARD (Greece...and behold a FOURTH BEAST (Imperial Rome), dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it (i.e., Imperial Rome ends and Ecclesiastical Rome goes on to the Tribulation); and it had ten horns (i.e., crowned as the Tribulation begins). I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them ANOTHER LITTLE HORN (i.e., the False Prophet), before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things" (because he is Satan-possessed).

Rev 13:1-8 (KJV) says, "I...saw a beast rise up out of the sea (nations), having SEVEN HEADS (Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Imperial Rome, Ecclesiastical Rome and Babylon III) and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns (i.e., it is the beginning of the Tribulation when the 6th head is crowned), and UPON HIS HEADS (all 7) THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY. And the beast which I saw was like unto a LEOPARD (Greece), and his feet were as the feet of a BEAR (Media-Persia), and his mouth as the mouth of a LION (Babylon): and the dragon (Satan) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. And I saw one of his (Satan's) heads (the 6th one) as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and THEY WORSHIPPED THE BEAST (i.e., he seems to be a religious leader), saying, Who is like unto the beast? (the Popes) who is able to make war with him? (none) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and BLASPHEMIES; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (the first half of the Tribulation). And he opened his mouth in BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD, TO BLASPHEME HIS NAME, AND HIS TABERNACLE, AND THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (i.e., the raptured Pre-Trib saints). And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (the Tribulation saints), and to overcome them: and POWER WAS GIVEN HIM OVER ALL KINDREDS, AND TONGUES, AND NATIONS. AND ALL THAT DWELL UPON THE EARTH SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." This man has power over both nations and religions.

I looked at Green's Interlinear. The KJV has "name" (singular) right in Rev 13:1. It says, "I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (nations, people and tongues, Rev. 17:15), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns (i.e., the Tribulation is beginning), and upon his heads THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY."

What is "THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY" that is upon each of the 7 heads (kings)? I think it is Pontifex Maximus. Nimrod, king at the Tower of Babel, was the first Pontifex Maximus of the Mystery Religion of Babylon. All the kings so far have been called Pontifex Maximus. All the Caesars of Rome had Pontifex Maximus on their coins. I looked them up to be sure.

The Pope today is called Pontifex Maximus, the high priest. It is blasphemous because Jesus is our high priest. He will be a priest upon his throne. The Pope is called father too, which is prohibited. In Mt 23:8-10, Jesus said, "be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ."

As I see it, this name has to be upon all seven kings of these seven kingdoms, Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Imperial Rome, Ecclesiastical Rome and Babylon III. At the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture, when the called, chosen and faithful are with Christ (Rev. 17:14), five kings have fallen, one is, and one has not yet come (Rev. 17:10).

Babel, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece and Imperial Rome have fallen. Ecclesiastical Rome is in power, and the False Prophet's Babylon III has not yet come. We know that the harlot church of Rev. 17 will move to Babylon when the False Prophet comes to full power.

Rev. 13:11-18 describes the False Prophet, the final Satan-possessed Antichrist. It says, "I beheld ANOTHER beast coming up out of the earth (probably eretz Israel, he doesn't come up out of the sea, i.e., the nations); and he had two horns (two comings to power) like a lamb (Christ), and he spake as a dragon (Satan). AND HE EXERCISETH ALL THE POWER OF THE FIRST BEAST (as the 7th head of the great red dragon, he is called Pontifex Maximus) before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all (then his power is worldwide), both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

Six is the number of man, created on the 6th day. The False Prophet is man, man, man. Also, Vicarius Filii Dei (Vicar of the Son of God) adds up to 666 in Roman numerals. There may be other meanings that will be recognized by those living on Earth during his reign.

I read that Syria thinks it should have all of the territory it calls Greater Syria, "...encompassing Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, and Cyprus...Because it entails definition of where the national boundaries should be drawn, nationalism is a controversial concept for Syrians. Shortly after independence, most Syrians retained a strong ethnocentrism based on the city or region where they were born and grew up; they owed their first allegiance to their tribe, clan, or ethnic group, rather than to the new nation-state. Over the years, these forces have diminished, but not disappeared, and now nearly all Syrians manifest an intense patriotism, coupled with a strong desire for the recovery of what they feel are integral areas of Syria split off from the nation by French Mandate authorities.(

I saw on a different web site that Syria backs all of the terrorist organizations. Would all nations put their welfare in Assad's hands? Would Israel?

Isa 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable, he is the head (i.e., the 6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail" (both the 7th head and the tail of the dragon, because he will become Satan possessed at Mid-Trib).

Could a 41-year-old Syrian Muslim be called ancient? or a Jewish Messiah? In John 5:43, Jesus said, "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." I can't see Israel accepting a Syrian Muslim as their Messiah. If he was a Jew from Assyria, that could be a different story. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Trib

Thank you for your time, study and faith.

In the past I mailed you a note on the 21 hits in 1994 and at the time it seemed to your to be too far in the future for 2015 to be a factor. Now it is.

Also when preparing to die on the cross the Lord prayed all night but his disciples could not watch one hour.
1 day is 1000 years
1 hour is 41.67 days
1967 + 41.67 = 2008.67
2015 - 2008.67 = 6.33 years for the tribulation
2008,67 - 1 = 2007.67 What Hebrew month would be 0.67 year?

Now PERES has come to the forefront of the govt. to give away Gods land!

My reply

Thanks. It is amazing how close that works out.

The 8th month is Cheshvan. Noah went into the Ark on Cheshvan 17. In some way, the Rapture will be as the days of Noah too (Mt. 24:37), but Song of Solomon 2:10-14 and Isa. 18:3-7 both suggest that the Rapture will be in the spring. The grapes are setting fruit on Pentecost. Also, the Holy Spirit came to the church on Pentecost.

My mistake was in using 40 years for a generation. I knew about Mt. 1:17, that it worked out to 48.33 years, but Israel went into her promised land after 40 years. I wrote to Hal Lindsey. He counted a generation as 40 years, so I did too. Also, there are two times that there are 2300 days between Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets 7 years later. One fit 40 years. The other fit 48.33 years. I picked the first one. It looks like it is going to be the last one instead. It makes me think of what my mother used to say, "Try, try again. If at first you don't succeed, try, try again." One thing, I didn't give up. I'm always searching the scriptures for answers to my questions, and other's questions. It is getting harder though. Ed needs my help more and I have cataracts in both eyes. I'm using Arial Black font, 12 pt., on off-white background, and hoping for the Rapture next Pentecost.

Dan 5:28 says, "PERES; Thy kingdom is divided", in the KJV and Green's Interlinear. The LXX has Phares. The LITV says, "HALF MINAS: Your kingdom is divided". Shimon Peres was born Szymon Perski. I don't know when he changed it to Peres. He is President for a 7-year term.

PERES in Dan. 5:28 is Strong's H6537, per-as' (Chaldee); corresponding to H6536; to split up: - divide, [U-] pharsin. H6536; pa^ras, A primitive root; to break in pieces, that is, (usually without violence) to split, distribute: - deal, divide, have hoofs, part, tear. I wanted to see how old Peres was now (about 84), so I went to Wikipedia ( He sure has good credentials to be President. It looks like he's already been about everything else in the government at some time during the last 65 years.

It says, "Shimon Peres...born Szymon Perski on August 2, 1923 (August 15-16 using current Gregorian dates) in eastern Poland) is the 9th President of the State of Israel. He is a senior Israeli statesman with a political career spanning more than 65 years. He joined the Knesset in November 1959 and, except for a three-month-long hiatus in early 2006, served continuously until June 13, 2007, the day he was elected President of Israel.

"Shimon Peres was Prime Minister of Israel three times (once as acting prime minister) and served in 12 Israeli cabinets. He has been Finance Minister, Foreign Minister, and Defence Minister. In the current Olmert government, he was Vice Premier of Israel and Minister for the Development of the Negev, Galilee and Regional Economy.

"In 1994, Shimon Peres won the Nobel Peace Prize together with Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat for the peace talks that produced the Oslo Accords. Peres participated in these talks as the Israeli Foreign Minister.... Agape

Top News: Arab League Plans First Israel Mission

By STEVE WEIZMAN, July 08, 2007

JERUSALEM - The 22-COUNTRY ARAB LEAGUE will send envoys on a historic first mission to Israel this week to discuss a sweeping Arab peace initiative and how it might prop up embattled Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Israeli and Arab diplomats said Sunday.

The announcement came the same day Israel's Cabinet approved the release of 250 Palestinian prisoners, hoping to bolster Abbas in his power struggle with the Islamic militant Hamas.

An official League visit would be a diplomatic coup for Israel. The League historically has been hostile toward the Jewish state, but has grown increasingly conciliatory in response to the expanding influence of Islamic extremists in the region - a concern underscored by Hamas' violent takeover of the Gaza Strip last month...

Rice to arrive in Israel July 16

Quartet to meet with Abbas, Olmert in Egypt in mid-July: Solana

July 2, 2007 ..."Before the end of this month of July, toward the middle of the month, we will recuperate this initiative," Solana said, adding that the meeting would take place in Egypt. The Quartet, Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert as well as representatives of Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were "the mechanism the most adapted" to boosting peace talks, he said.

My comment

It looks like Dan. 9:27 will be confirmed soon. It says, "And he (the coming Satan-possessed False Prophet) shall confirm (lit., strengthen) the covenant with many (probably the US, EU, UN, Russia and 22 Arab countries) for one week (of years): and in the midst of the week (Mid-Trib) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (when "he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God", II Thess. 2:4), and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Pope: Other Christian Denominations Not True Churches

LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy, July 10, 2007,3566,288841,00.html

For the second time in a week, Pope Benedict XVI has corrected what he says are erroneous interpretations of the Second Vatican Council, reasserting the primacy of the Roman Catholic Church and saying other Christian communities were either defective or not true churches.

What does Christ's sharp twoedged sword have to do with the Rapture?

By Marilyn Agee

In the Preview of the Rapture, Rev 1:10-16 says, "I was (lit., became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (the Day of Christ, the Pre-Trib Rapture), and heard behind me a great voice, as of a TRUMPET, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last (LORD of the Old Testament and Lord of the New Testament): and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia (meaning muddy, i.e., in the Earth); unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks (i.e., the 7 churches in Heaven); And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man (Jesus Christ), clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle (symbol of a king). His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars (the angels of the 7 churches he just caught up): and out of his mouth went A SHARP TWOEDGED SWORD: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength."

The "SHARP TWOEDGED SWORD" is mentioned in the Preview of the Rapture. Luke 12:45,46 tells us what can happen at that time. It says, "if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will CUT HIM IN SUNDER (lit., cut him off), AND WILL APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION (i.e., the shortened Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS."

Mt. 24:48-51 adds, "But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come (i.e., at the Pre-Traib Rapture) in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall CUT HIM ASUNDER, AND APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION WITH THE HYPOCRITES (pretenders): THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH."

Continuing, Mt. 25:1-13 says, "Then (i.e., at the Rapture) shall THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN be likened (symbolic language) unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom (Jesus). And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil (symbol of the Holy Spirit) in their vessels (i.e., bodies) with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone (lit., going) out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready (i.e., the Bride of Christ) went in with him to the marriage: and THE DOOR WAS SHUT (as when the Lord shut the door in Noah's Ark). Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh."

Mat 22:1-13 also tells this story. It says, "And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and ALL THINGS ARE READY: COME UNTO THE MARRIAGE. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there A MAN WHICH HAD NOT ON A WEDDING GARMENT: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness (outside the door); THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH."

In Rev 3:18,19, Jesus said to the lukewarm Laodiceans, "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and WHITE RAIMENT, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent."

2Pe 1:4-11 tells the foolish virgins how to buy that oil of the Holy Spirit. It says, "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: THAT BY THESE YE MIGHT BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But HE THAT LACKETH THESE THINGS IS BLIND, AND CANNOT SEE AFAR OFF (i.e., Heaven), AND HATH FORGOTTEN THAT HE WAS (when he first accepted Christ) PURGED FROM HIS OLD SINS. Wherefore the rather, brethren (believers), GIVE DILIGENCE TO MAKE YOUR CALLING AND ELECTION SURE: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so AN ENTRANCE (i.e., when the door opens) shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting KINGDOM OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST."

1John 1:6-9 tells us how to get all the sins we have committed under the blood of Christ. It says, "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

In John 7:38, Jesus says, "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." That living water is the Holy Spirit of God, just as the oil of the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit of God. We need the Holy Spirit to well up in us. Therefore, 1 Thess. 5:19 says, "Quench not the Spirit." The foolish virgins are quenching the Holy Spirit.

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