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Pro and Con 1347

Posted 7-27-07


Incoming e-mail, Re: Temple Mount Destruction

July 18, 2007 - In The Wall Street Journal dated July 18, 2007, Hershel Shanks, editor of Biblical Archaeology Review, has written an editorial piece about the Waqf’s digging on the Temple Mount. The Waqf, the Muslim administrative body responsible for overseeing the site, is doing some of the digging with mechanical equipment in order to install electric and telephone lines. Although this excavation has been approved by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, it contradicts the excavation procedures required everywhere else in Israel....

"The Waqf has a long history of ignoring Israel’s antiquities laws, and Israel has a long history of ignoring these violations. As early as 1970, the Waqf excavated a pit without supervision that exposed A 16-FOOT-LONG, SIX-FOOT-THICK WALL THAT SCHOLARS BELIEVE MAY WELL BE THE EASTERN WALL OF THE HERODIAN TEMPLE COMPLEX. An inspector from the antiquities department saw it and composed a handwritten report (still unpublished) before THE WALL WAS DISMANTLED, DESTROYED AND COVERED UP....

In 1999, to accommodate a major expansion of an underground mosque into what is known popularly as Solomon’s Stables in the southeastern part of the Temple Mount, the Waqf dug an enormous stairway down to the mosque. Hundreds of truckloads of archaeologically rich dirt were dug with mechanical equipment and then dumped into the adjacent Kidron Valley....

For over two years Prof. Gabriel Barkay of Bar Ilan University (together with Mr. Zweig) has been engaged in a major sifting operation of this dirt, after he obtained a permit from the Antiquities Authority. Finds have included THOUSANDS OF ARTIFACTS FROM ALL PERIODS GOING BACK MORE THAN 3,000 YEARS. They include a seal impression of a probable brother of someone mentioned in the Bible, Babylonian arrowheads dating to the destruction of Jerusalem in the 6th century B.C. (as well as other arrowheads from battles on the Temple Mount), thousands of coins (many dating to the Great Revolt against Rome), beautiful jewelry and even an ancient Egyptian scarab.... (emphasis mine)

Olmert Says Peres Will Be Active in Arab Peace Talks

July 25-07 - Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told reporters at a press conference taking place at this hour that President Shimon Peres will be active in trying to advance negotiations with the Palestinian Authority (PA). He spoke after he and the President met with visiting foreign ministers from Egypt and Jordan who were official delegates of the Arab League.

The Prime Minister also revealed that there will be a significant move toward negotiations in a very short time....

Incoming e-mail, Re: 2007

I was a little disappointed when Pentecost came and went and we were still here! But I still believe it will happen this year. Too many things point to this year, especially the 40 years from the six day war and the recapture of the temple mount. I don't see how it could be any other year but this one! Do you believe it has to happen on Pentecost, and is that why you are looking at Pentecost 2008 or 2009 for the pre-trib Rapture? What about Rosh Hashanna of this year? Isn't that still a possible date to look forward to? Look forward to your reply.

My reply

The 40 years sounds good, because the Israelites wandered 40 years in the wilderness(midbar, desert) before going into the promised land. I thought we might end our wandering last Pentecost, but we didn't. We are finding out what isn't the right time by the process of elimination.

I have looked at all the feast days to see what clues I could find. Hanukkah, Ascension Day and Pentecost have seemed most likely. The Pre-Trib Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). In Noah's day, it rained 40 days. That ended on Kislev 27, which is during the 8 days of Hanukkah. Hanukkah is also four months before harvest. In John 4:35, Jesus said, "Say not ye, There are yet four months, and then cometh harvest? behold, I say unto you, Lift up your eyes, and look on the fields; for they are white already to harvest." The four months could be Teveth, Shevat, Adar and Nisan, when the barley is ready to harvest, or Sivan, Tamuz, Av, and Elul, when the main grape harvest, called the vintage starts.

The Pre-Wrath Rapture is as the days of Lot, when fire and brimstone fell that same day (Luke 17:28). The Pre-Wrath Rapture will be on the Feast of Trumpets that is the Day of the Lord and the Day of God's Wrath. That is one reason I would pick a different feast for the Pre-Trib Rapture.

I think Pentecost has the best clues of all pointing to it. The Holy Spirit of God came down on Pentecost. That was the birth of the Church in this world. The birth of the Church into another world might be when Jesus comes down on Pentecost, and we rise up to meet him in the air. Also, the first trumpet in the Bible took place at Mt. Sinai on Pentecost. The first mention of something is often important.

The two Raptures are the first "trump of God" (I Thess. 4:16,17) and the "last trump" (I Cor. 15:51f).

To me, the first Rapture seems to be in the spring. Song of Solomon 2:10-17 places it in the spring when the vines are blossoming and forming grapes. So does Isa. 18:3-6, and that calls for the whole world to take notice.

Song 2:10-17 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land (i.e., April to October); The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell (end of May or early June). ARISE, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ), in the secret places of the stairs (the secret of the stairs is like Jacob's ladder, it reaches from Earth to Heaven), let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have TENDER GRAPES. My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies. Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved (i.e., Christ), and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains of Bether" (meaning separation, a section or part, i.e., one of two Raptures).

Isa. 18:3-6 says, "ALL YE INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD, AND DWELLERS ON THE EARTH, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (flag) on the mountains (kingdoms, i.e., the UN); and WHEN HE BLOWETH A TRUMPET, HEAR YE. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (see) in my dwelling place (Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For AFORE THE HARVEST, WHEN THE BUD IS PERFECT, AND THE SOUR GRAPE IS RIPENING IN THE FLOWER, he shall both cut off the sprigs (i.e., branches that are forming fruit) with pruning hooks, and TAKE AWAY (i.e., rapture them to Heaven IN THE SPRING) and cut down the branches (those that have leaves but no fruit. i.e., the foolish Laodicean virgins). They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth (the two beasts of Rev. 13): and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall WINTER upon them."

I Th. 4:16,17 describes the first trump of God, the Pre-Trib Rapture. It says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I Cor. 15:51,52 describes the last trump of God, the Pre-Wrath Rapture, when the Tribulation saints are caught up to the general (or festal) assembly of Heb. 12:23. I Cor. 15:51,52 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL (all saints, including those caught up at the first trump) be changed (made immortal), In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and THIS MORTAL MUST PUT ON IMMORTALITY."

Heb. 12:18-25 says, "For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched (Mt. Sinai), and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, And the sound of a TRUMPET, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the GENERAL (or festal) ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven".

Mt. 24:30,31 says of that day, "And then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (the 'last trump'), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other." These that were previously caught up to Heaven before the Tribulation are gathered to the General Assembly in Heaven on the Day of God's Wrath on Earth.

Of this same time, Mark 13:26,27 says, "And then shall they SEE THE SON OF MAN coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN." These gathered up from Earth to the General Assembly in Heaven are the Tribulation Saints. This is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. They make it out by the skin of their teeth.

I Cor. 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them (Israel) for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (lit., consummation of the age) are come."

When did the LORD come down and sound the first trump of God? On Pentecost, Sivan 6. That is the first time the word "trumpet" appears in the Bible.

Passover is Nisan 14. The Feast of Unleavened Bread is Nisan 15. Resurrection Day is Nisan 16. Ascension Day is Iyar 26. They won't fit. The Israelites arrived at Mt. Sinai in Sivan (Ex. 19:1). Jewish tradition says on Sivan 3.

What happened on the third day, Sivan 6? The first trumpet of the Bible sounded. Ex. 19:11,13 says, "be ready against the third day: for the third day the LORD will come down in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai....WHEN THE TRUMPET SOUNDETH LONG, THEY SHALL COME UP to the mount."

Lev. 23:15-17 says of Pentecost, "count unto you from the morrow (i.e., Sunday, Nisan 16, Resurrection Day) after the sabbath (Saturday), from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering (the Feast of Firstfruits, Nisan 16); seven sabbaths shall be complete: Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD. Ye shall BRING OUT OF YOUR HABITATIONS TWO WAVE LOAVES of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; THEY ARE THE FIRSTFRUITS UNTO THE LORD." Counted by inclusive reckoning, the 50th day would be Sivan 6. If not inclusive, Sivan 7. Ex. 23:19 says, "The FIRST OF THE FIRSTFRUITS of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God."

James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures."

Ex. 19:18-20 says, "mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke, because THE LORD DESCENDED upon it in fire: and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly. And when the voice of THE TRUMPET SOUNDED LONG, AND WAXED LOUDER AND LOUDER, Moses spake, and God answered him by a voice. And the LORD CAME DOWN upon mount Sinai, on the top of the mount: and THE LORD CALLED MOSES UP to the top of the mount; and MOSES WENT UP."

The last trump is on the Feast of Trumpets. Lev. 23:24 says, "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of TRUMPETS, an holy convocation."

The Jews call the trumpet of Pentecost the first trump. They call the trumpet of the Feast of Trumpets YOM TERUAH (the day of the awakening blast, or shout) or the last trump. They call the trumpet of the Day of Atonement the great trump.

On his web site (, Eddie Chumney says, " "The three great trumpets (shofarim) that mark MAJOR events in the redemptive plan of God are associated with days in the Biblical calendar. The FIRST TRUMP is associated with and was seen as being blown by God on the feast of Shavuot (Pentecost) when God gave the Torah at Mount Sinai....

"The LAST TRUMP is associated and blown on Rosh HaShanah. In his book, "Festivals of the Jewish Year" in the chapter on Rosh HaShanah, the Orthodox Jewish author (not a believer in Yeshua/Jesus as Messiah) will tell you that an IDIOM for Rosh HaShanah is the LAST TRUMP.

"Therefore because the LAST TRUMP is a Jewish idiom for ROSH HASHANAH, the Apostle Paul (Rav Sha'ul) when referring to the resurrection of the dead happening at the "last trump" was using a Jewish idiom for the feast of Rosh HaShanah and indicating by doing so that the resurrection of the dead will take place on Rosh HaShanah.

"Genesis 22 is the primary Torah reading for Rosh HaShanah. This is the story of Abraham going to offer his son Yitzchak (Isaac) on the altar. As he was about to do so, the angel of the Lord intervened and Abraham saw a RAM (male lamb) caught in the thicket.

"The ancient rabbis saw the thicket representing the sins of the people. The two horns of the ram caught in the thicket were given a name. The left horn was called the FIRST TRUMP and the right horn was called the LAST TRUMP.

"Therefore, the shofar (ram's horn) was seen as playing a significant role in the redemption.

"The third significant shofar in the redemptive plan of God is called the GREAT TRUMP. The GREAT TRUMP is associated with and is blown on YOM KIPPUR."

Since the last Rapture is on the Feast of Trumpets, does it seem like it would be the time of the first Rapture too? I think Pentecost has a better chance of being the time of the first Rapture. Agape

My reply to incoming email (omitted)

> > Mt Sinai is not located at the traditional Jebel Musa location

> > I found Anchor Stone International web site's story on Mt Sinai/Mt Horeb, proving Mount Sinai in Arabia (at Jebel el Lawz instead of the traditional Jebel Musa site on the Sinai Pennisula), to be both an interesting and evidential story. However it simply proves what Paul The Apostle already said in Galatians 4:25 "mount Sinai in Arabia". So the real location of mount Sinai in Arabia is not in Egypt on a Sinai Pennisula as thought by many; but Mount Sinai [is] in Arabia.

> > Arab Name for Mt Sinai: Jebel el Lawz (Jabal al Lawz): Mountain of Law The thing I found most interesting about the Mt Sinai/Horeb evidential story of Anchor Stone web site was not that Jebel el Lawz (the mountain of Musa: Moses) was the highest peak in the entire NW Saudi Arabia region, nor that is was even blackened at the top; But that it had twin peaks, as if double heads.

Please do a little more research on the location of Mt. Sinai. Don't be too quick to take Mt. Sinai out of the Sinai Peninsula. I don't want you to be misled by Ron Wyatt's claims. He must not have known that the Sinai Peninsula was called Arabia Petrea.

Therefore, he thought Mt. Sinai was in the modern Saudi Arabia. To me, that is impossible.

Also, look at Jebel Musa in the southern tip of the Sinai Peninsula. Is there enough room for a large group of people and animals to circle Jebel Musa? I don't think so. Is Jebel Musa in the desert? No. It is in the mountains.

Mt. Sinai is in the desert in the NE quadrant of the Sinai Peninsula. You can pick out its knob in this photo made from the Space Station (STS 40).

Ex. 15:22 says, "Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and THEY WENT OUT INTO THE WILDERNESS (midbar, desert) OF SHUR; and THEY WENT THREE DAYS IN THE WILDERNESS (midbar, desert) AND FOUND NO WATER." Ex. 19:13 says, "now she is planted in the wilderness (midbar), IN A DRY AND THIRSTY GROUND."

Mt. Sinai was in Arabia Petrea, not in the land of Midian, which was in what is Saudi Arabia today. Look at the map. The Israelites left Egypt about where The Way to the Land of the Philistines starts. They headed straight for The Wilderness of Shur, which is in the wide desert strip that borders the Mediterranean Sea. The road called The Way to Shur goes from Egypt to the Wilderness of Shur and on into the Negeb/Negev. A map in my Bible has a line called The Way to Shur. The children of Israel never left the desert on the way to Mt. Sinai. It stands to reason that Mt. Sinai was in the Sinai Peninsula. It was along the Way to Shur (a little lower than the word "Shur" on this map). It was near the Brook of Egypt that empties into the Mediterranean Sea.

There also was the Desert of Zin and The Desert of Paran, both in the Sinai Peninsula. Nu. 20:1 says, "Then came the children of Israel, even the whole congregation, into the DESERT (midbar) OF ZIN in the first month: and the people abode in KADESH; and Miriam died there, and was buried there."

Nu. 27:14 says, "For ye rebelled against my commandment in the DESERT (midbar) OF ZIN, in the strife of the congregation, to sanctify me at the water before their eyes: that is the water of Meribah in KADESH in the WILDERNESS (midbar, desert) OF ZIN." Gen 20:1 says, "Abraham journeyed from thence toward the south country, and dwelled between Kadesh and SHUR, and sojourned in Gerar. Gerar is in Judea SE of Gaza, in the coastal desert.

Nu. 13:26 says, "they went and came to Moses, and to Aaron, and to all the congregation of the children of Israel, unto THE WILDERNESS (midbar, desert) OF PARAN, TO KADESH; and brought back word unto them, and unto all the congregation, and shewed them the fruit of THE LAND." Kadesh was about 25 miles away from Mt. Sinai on the border of "THE LAND", i.e., Israel.

I Sam. 27:8 says, "David and his men went up, and invaded the Geshurites, and the Gezrites, and the Amalekites: for those nations were of old the inhabitants of THE LAND, as thou goest to SHUR, even unto the land of Egypt." There is no way that the Wilderness of Shur and the Way to Shur could have been in Saudi Arabia.

Jg. 11:16 says, "when Israel came up from Egypt, and walked through the wilderness (midbar, desert) unto the Red sea, and came to Kadesh".

Mt. Sinai is probably Jebel Helal in the coastal desert near the Mediterranean Sea. The Israelites did not take the coastal route called the "Way to the land of the Philistines." They took the "Way to Shur," which was a little farther inland, but still in the desert area flanking the coast.

Exodus 18:27 says, "Moses let his father in law depart; and he went his way into his own land." Therefore, the Midian where his father-in-law dwelt was not on the Sinai Peninsula. It was in what is now Saudi Arabia. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: an idea

What if it is not 40 years? (we have just passed 40 years since the six day war)

The Jews in the desert who worshipped the golden calf, over the age of 20, were told by God they would not live to see the promised land. Those under 20 would.

That means that some were up to 59 years old, who both escaped Egypt and who lived to see the promised land.

Maybe the rapture is sometime between 40 and 59 years after the six day war??

My reply

Does total age figure in? or just a generation? Let/s think this through again.

The fig tree parable in Mt. 24:32-34 says "This GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." The safe thing is to figure a generation according to Mt. 1:17. 2030 years divided by 42 generations = 48.33 years. The fig tree (Israel) grew leaves in the Six-Day War. 1967 + 48.33 years = 2015.33.

The last thing covered before the Fig Tree Parable is the time of the SECOND RAPTURE. In Mt. 24:31, the saints already in Heaven are gathered to the general assembly in Heb. 12:23.

Mat 24:30-34 says, "And then shall appear the SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then (on the Day of God's Wrath, which is the great and terrible Day of the Lord) shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (this is the Sign of the Son of Man seen in the sky, the Second Advent is 7 months future). And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the DOORS. Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

In Mark 13:27, we see that the Rapture of the Tribulation saints takes place at that same time. Mark 13:27-30 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (i.e., the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN (gathering the saints that are already in Heaven to the General Assembly of Heb. 12:23). Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch (modern Israel) is yet tender (young, i.e., no more than 19), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Golen Heights, Sinai and West Bank in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is near (the war started June 5; summer began June 21): So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the DOORS. Verily I say unto you, that THIS GENERATION shall not pass, till all these things be done."

Doors is a symbol of the two Raptures. Rev. 3:8 says, "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name." This speaks of the first Rapture.

Since we are talking about "doors," I figure that the second Rapture is at the end of one 48.33-year generation. 1967 + 48.33 = 2015.33. That takes us to the Second Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015.

Dan 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (i.e., the first half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Sept. 14, 2015 - 2300 days (inclusive reckoning) puts the beginning of the 2300-day Tribulation on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5769 (May 29, 2009).

Allowing one year for the Temple to be built would put the 1st Rapture on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5768 (June 9, 2008). That's my best guess at this time....Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Pentecost & Rosh Hashanah 2007

From: Daniel Matson, To: Tng, CC to Agee, Sent: 5/24/2007

But, does the Rapture have to be on this Pentecost of 2007? With the tremendous numbers of Pentecost and the 17th of Tammuz there seems to be some significance building. However, it might not be the Rapture on Pentecost. The one piece of evidence against it is Paul referring to the Rapture as occurring on "the Last Trump" in 1 Corinthians 15. There is debate on this, but the case does seem to be made that the definite article means a specific event known to the Jews as Rosh Hashanah. Pentecost has possible Rapture themes and the numbers do arrive at this Pentecost 2007, but with no time to spare some other numbers have been found or rather missed until now (today) that point to Rosh Hashanah 2007.

With the passing of 2006 and the need to have seven years available to burn the weapons before the mid-tribulation and Pentecost being 2,520 days before the mid-point, it seemed that Pentecost was the last hope to "make it work". However, as usual, there is another key fact that opens the possibilities further. In Signs, it is August 6, 2014 (Av 9-10) that is put forward as the day the Third Temple is "brought low" (Daniel 8). This is the same day as destructions one and two in 587 BC and 70 AD. This day then starts the 2,300 evenings and mornings, which is 1150 days that comes to Yom Kippur 2017. The difference between this and the count from the mid-Tribulation is 110 days (1260 -–1150).

The issue here is that Jesus told the Jews to flee to the wilderness at the time they see the Abomination of Desolation, which occurs 1260 days before the end of the Tribulation. But will all of the Jews heed His words and move out post haste? Probably not, and therefore it may be more likely that a Jewish presence will remain until the Temple is brought low in 110 days (1260 – 1150). What is most interesting about this is that from Pentecost 2007 to Rosh Hashanah 2007 is 110 inclusive days. Therefore, from Rosh Hashanah 2007 to the 10th of Av is 2,520 inclusive days and as has been previously demonstrated, from Pentecost 2007 to the midpoint is 2,520 days. Thus the seven-year window to burn weapons would be at its latest start date on Rosh Hashanah if these are to be a full seven biblical years of 360 days. This is not to be confused with the Tribulation of seven years that seems to run from 2010-2017.

The Rosh Hashanah Rapture then is most significant since it incorporates all that Signs communicates with exception of it being one year later. So instead of eleven years, it comes down to ten years and therefore a fitting comparison to the Ten Days of Awe from Rosh Hashanah to Yom Kippur. A ratio for this worked for 1973 to Rosh Hashanah 2006 to Yom Kippur 2017 in Signs, but it was not to be the day. Just like Rosh Hashanah 2005 was not to be the day even though it was 14,000 days from June 7, 1967. Was the apparent mathematical left to chance? No, it was most likely meant to get our attention in a countdown to the day. What is interesting is that the birth of Christ was similar in that the events and alignments of the heavens covered a time of two years. But actually there are also events much earlier to help us catch a clue.

So, does this mean that we throw Pentecost away as a significant day for 2007? I don’t think so. This of course will need to be looked at further and hopefully the significance will be clear, even if it is only a mathematical marker. Whatever happens the time will become more clear as the Day approaches. I am thinking this may be one amazing Summer, but still anticipating what Pentecost may bring.

A final note is that Pentecost is 320 days from July 12, 2006, the day beginning the timeline from the Lebanon 2 War. This coupled with the 110 days to Rosh Hashanah brings the number to 430 days (actually the total is 429 days due to inclusive counts or one could say day 2 of Rosh Hashanah is 430). Four hundred and thirty years is the time from the Abrahamic Covenant to Israel entering the Land and also the time from the close of the Old Testament to the birth of Christ.

Therefore, watch for Pentecost (5/27), the 17th of Tammuz (7/3), and Rosh Hashanah (9/13-14) as significant days.

In Christ, Daniel Matson

My reply

July 13, 2007 - I am surprised that so many miss the obvious. If there is a last trump of God, there must also be a first trump of God.


I Thess. 4:16,17: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I Cor. 15:42: "the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption". The first-trump saints are incorrupt, but not yet actually immortal. That happens when the Body of Christ is completed in Heaven.


I Cor. 15:51-53: "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE (ALL SAINTS, INCLUDING PAUL AND THE OTHER 23 ELDERS RAISED AT THE FIRST TRUMP) SHALL BE CHANGED. For this corruptible must put on incorruption (when raised from the dead, I Cor. 15:42), and this mortal must put on immortality" (at the "last trump").

Order of events:
1. Rev. 6:12: "SIXTH SEAL"
2. Rev. 6:17: "the great day of HIS WRATH IS COME" (i.e., the Feast of Trumpets).
3. LAST TRUMP RAPTURE. Rev. 7:14,15: "These are they which came OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION".


Order of events:
1. Rev. 8:1: "SEVENTH SEAL...SILENCE IN HEAVEN about the space of half an hour"
(i.e., All rise and keep respectful silence while the judge is seated at the Judgment Seat of Christ).
2. Hab. 2:20: "the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the EARTH KEEP SILENCE before him."
3. Rev. 8:2: "SEVEN ANGELS...were given SEVEN TRUMPETS" (trumpets of judgment).
4. Rev. 8:3-5: "ANOTHER ANGEL came...having a golden censer...filled it with fire...and cast it into the earth" (symbolizing the impact of the asteroid Wormwood)
5. Rev 8:6 "seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound."
6. Rev. 8:7: "The first angel sounded".

From this, we can see that the two trumps of God are not the same as the seven judgment trumpets sounded by angels. The two trumps of God are sounded to call two groups of saints up to Heaven, the wise virgins and the foolish virgins.

There is one exception. The 144,000 Israelites are called up at the last trump of God, but they are added to the wise-virgin-Bride-of-Christ saints.

Rev. 14:1-5 says, "a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a GREAT THUNDER: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were A NEW SONG before the throne (the saints at the first trump sang "A NEW SONG" in Rev. 5:9), and before the four beasts, and the elders (12 patriarchs and 12 apostles): and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are WITHOUT FAULT before the throne of God." Agapes

Found on Five doves site: Re: "7/24/2007 and 1359 Gemini (Twins)"

Wade Balzer (20 July 2007)

...1359g = Castor and Pollux

Act 28:11 And 1161 after 3326 three 5140 months 3376 we departed 321 in 1722 a ship 4143 of Alexandria 222, which had wintered 3914 in 1722 the isle 3520, whose sign 3902 was Castor and Pollux 1359.

...According to Liddell and Scott's Lexicon, kastor is Greek for "he who excels", and poludeukeis means "very sweet".

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