Pro and Con 1350
Lake Cheko in the Siberian region of Tunguska has recently emerged as a candidate for an “impact site” linked to the famous Tunguska explosion of 1908. Credit: www-th.bo.infn.it/tunguska / University of Bologna
A team of Italian scientists has announced seismic evidence of what could be meteor fragments beneath Lake Cheko in Siberia--the first "solid evidence" of a Tunguska asteroid.
On June 30, 1908, a massive explosion detonated in the skies over Tunguska in northern Siberia. The resulting shock wave flattened some 60 million trees across 2000 square kilometers. The blast was heard hundreds of miles away and the cloud of dust colored the skies of the Northern Hemisphere for months afterwards....
More recently, however, a team of Italian researchers has suggested that the 164-foot deep Lake Cheko, five miles northwest of the epicenter of the blast, could be the site of an impact by a meteor or a fragment of the body responsible for the devastating Tunguska event.
Incoming e-mail, Re: Pro and Con 1260 12/1/05
I was wondering if you could clarify the following statement in the subject article from your prophecy website:
“In addition to the cited string of Sabbaticals, the epoch of a jubilee year (the 50th year) can be recited to have ultimately occurred in the year 572-571 BCE, again in the year 522-521, and perhaps yet again in 29-30 CE.... My Note: However, 3787 (26/27 AD) is Sabbatic, not 3790 (29/30 AD).”
If 29/30 AD was a probable jubilee year then wouldn’t 27/28 have been a 7th year Sabbath instead of 26/27?? 27/28 would have been the year immediately preceding a jubilee if indeed 29/30 was a Jubilee. How is it that 26/27 was a Sabbatic?
I ask because my husband and I are struggling to understand the calendar regarding whether or not a year 0 is supposed to be accounted for when determining land Sabbaths and Jubilees. We had thought to calculate by the Jewish year reckoning since a year 0 is not an issue but I’ve found discrepancies there too (is it really 5767 or are there 243 or so years missing from that number??) Peace!
AD 27 was a Sabbatic Year, because the Hebrew Year 3787 divides evenly by 7. The Hebrew 3788 (28 AD) was the Jubilee Year and the first year of the new 49-year Jubilee cycle.
Re: Pro and Con 1260, I quoted the following from "Chronology of Jubilees"
"In addition to the cited string of Sabbaticals, the epoch of a jubilee year (the 50th year) can be recited to have ultimately occurred in the year 572-571 BCE, again in the year 522-521, and perhaps yet again in 29-30 CE...."
In response to that, I said, "My Note: However, 3787 (26/27 AD) is Sabbatic". That's true.
On Pro and Con 1348, I said, "The last year must be a Sabbatic Year. 30 AD was the Hebrew 3790, which was not Sabbatic. My figures are off by 3 years, so I will make an adjustment. 27 AD was the Hebrew 3787, which is Sabbatic. It divides evenly by 7."
In 27 AD, the Sabbatic Year that preceded the Jubilee Year, Yeshua read Isa. 61:1,2. Luke 4:16-21 tell us about that. It says, "he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias (Isaiah). And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, TO SET AT LIBERTY them that are bruised, TO PREACH THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, THIS DAY IS THIS SCRIPTURE FULFILLED IN YOUR EARS."
That means that on the correct day, the Day of Atonement, Tishri 10, which was near his 30th birthday on Tishri 1, Yahshua/Y'shua/Yeshua/Jesus announced the Jubilee Year which was to start on the following Nisan 1.
Luke 3:23 says, "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age." He began his ministry when he was 30 years old, as the Hebrew priests were to begin to serve when 30 years old.
Yeshua actually is our High Priest. That is why a mere man like the Pope should not call himself Pontifex Maximus, the name of blasphemy. Rev. 13:1 says, "I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea (nations and people, Rev. 17:15), having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy." The heads represent the leaders of Babel (Nimrod), Babylon II (Nebuchadnezzar), Media-Persia, Greece, Imperial Rome, Ecclesiastical Rome, and Babylon III (the False Prophet who is to be revealed mid-way through the seventieth week of Daniel 9:27). As far as I know, Nimrod was the first to call himself Pontifex Maximus. We can easily see that all the Caesars used the title, because it is on their coins. I looked them up to be sure.
> > I ask because my husband and I are struggling to understand the calendar regarding whether or not a year 0 is supposed to be accounted for when determining land Sabbaths and Jubilees. We had thought to calculate by the Jewish year reckoning since a year 0 is not an issue but I’ve found discrepancies there too (is it really 5767 or are there 243 or so years missing from that number??)
I would go by the Hebrew Calendar. It is easier than trying to remember whether to add or subtract 1 year, because in the Gregorian Calendar, there is no zero year. That was a mistake, and the astronomers have to add one year when calculating dates in BC years. Therefore, I have to add one year to their BC dates when checking the planet positions on YourSky.
The Hebrew Calendar of today does not go back to Adam, in spite of their calling its beginning the year of creation. I think creation was actually 283 years before the beginning of today's Hebrew Calendar in 3761. I call the actual creation year 283 BJE (before the Jewish Era). However, once the Hebrew Calendar began, the years have been kept in regular succession. When Jesus was on Earth, he didn't make any corrections to the calendar in use, so I assume that it is ok to go by it.
As to why the calendar doesn't go back to Adam, I can't be sure, but it may be because the Hebrews had kept a record of the exact day, hour, minute, and part for the New Moon of Tishri in 3760. This way, they could figure the New Moon of Tishri for any following year mathematically and set the present year's calendar so it would come out right on the next Tishri 1.
The first New Moon of Tishri is counted as 0 days, 23 hours, 11 minutes and 06 parts. The expression for one ordinary year is 4 days, 08 hours, 48 minutes and 12 parts. One can add that and multiples in the hundreds to figure out any NYD (New Year Day of Tishri). There are some delays added today, such as when the NM of Tishri is on Wednesday, Friday or Sunday, or if it is after noon. In each case, NYD is shifted forward one day. If the NM is after noon, shift to the next day. Then if that day is Wednesday, for instance, shift forward another day.
I think the weeks have been kept correctly all the way from Adam's day. Even the dropping of dates to start off the Gregorian on a more correct footing did not disrupt the days of the week. They kept them the same even though the date changed.
Over a long period of time, the Hebrew Calendar is surprisingly accurate. As for mistakes being made, the visual sighting in earlier days was confirmed by the arithmetic, and the arithmetic was confirmed by the visual sighting. Even today, when the calendar is set by the arithmetic, remember that it was tested for a long long time to see if it was safe to declare the NYD by using it. On years when the weather prevented the visual sighting, the arithmetic had to be trusted.
Now that the calendar is no longer checked by visual sighting, it might be possible for it to get off slightly, but remember that it can't be far off if there is abib barley in the spring at Firstfruits. That is another check on its accuracy. It can't drift around the seasons as the Egyptian Calendar does. Shalom
"THE COMMANDMENT OF CYRUS, AND DARIUS, AND ARTAXERXES," AND THE BEGINNING OF DANIEL'S 490 YEARS
By Mariyn Agee
Ezra 6:14 says,"And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded, and finished it (the Temple), according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to THE COMMANDMENT (singular) OF CYRUS, AND DARIUS, AND ARTAXERXES king of Persia".
People try to figure out which commandment to go by to figure out when the 483 years of Dan. 9:25,26 began without realizing that according to Scripture, we are to consider that this commandment to build Jerusalem and the Temple has at least three parts. Jesus showed us which one to go by. Since Jesus began his ministry in 27 AD, we know that the year to start counting from is 467 BC. That was the year of the final command that got the work done.
Of 27 AD, John 2:20 says, "Forty and six years was this temple in building." Herod started his Temple construction project in 19/20 BC. Since 3787 (27 AD) was a Sabbatic Year in which Jesus announced the Jubilee Year on the Day of Atonement (Tishri 10, near his birthday on Tishri 1), and 28 AD was the Jubilee Year (starting the following Nisan 1), we can easily see that Jesus was crucified in 30 AD.
Daniel 9:25,26 says, "FROM THE GOING FORTH OF THE COMMANDMENT TO RESTORE AND TO BUILD JERUSALEM UNTO THE MESSIAH THE PRINCE shall be seven weeks (of years), and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And AFTER threescore and two weeks (483 years) shall Messiah (Jesus) be cut off (karath, killed), but not for himself" (for us).
The final segment of the commandment went forth in 457 BC. 483 yrs - 457 BC + 1 (because no zero yr) = 27 AD, but the commandment started earlier with the decree of Cyrus (Ezra 1:1-4). Later, to further the work, there was the decree of Darius (Ezra 6:1-12). The final decree was that of Artaxerxes (Ezra 7:12-26).
We have something similar today. The Oslo Accords were written in Oslo, Norway on 8- 20-1993, and
signed in Washington D.C. on 9-13-1993, to start the peace movement. Still future is the time when the False Prophet will strengthen the treaty according to Dan. 9:27.
PART 1 - THE DECREE OF CYRUS - 536 B.C.
Isa 44:24-28 says, "Thus saith the LORD, thy REDEEMER (the preincarnate Christ, YHWH of hosts, Isa. 44:6), and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish; That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; THAT SAITH TO JERUSALEM, THOU SHALT BE INHABITED; AND TO THE CITIES OF JUDAH, YE SHALL BE BUILT, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof: That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers: THAT SAITH OF CYRUS, HE IS MY SHEPHERD, AND SHALL PERFORM ALL MY PLEASURE: EVEN SAYING TO JERUSALEM, THOU SHALT BE BUILT; AND TO THE TEMPLE, THY FOUNDATION SHALL BE LAID."
This is repeated in Isa 45:13. It says, "I have raised him (CYRUS) up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: HE SHALL BUILD MY CITY, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts."
Ezra 1:1-4 says, "in the FIRST YEAR OF CYRUS king of Persia...the LORD stirred up the spirit of Cyrus...that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and put it also in writing, saying, THUS SAITH CYRUS king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to Jerusalem, which is in Judah, and build the house of the LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem. And whosoever remaineth in any place where he sojourneth, let the men of his place help him with silver, and with gold, and with goods, and with beasts, beside the freewill offering for the house of God that is in Jerusalem."
2 Chron. 36:22,23 says, "Now in the FIRST YEAR OF CYRUS king of Persia, that the word of the LORD spoken by the mouth of Jeremiah might be accomplished, THE LORD STIRRED UP THE SPIRIT OF CYRUS KING OF PERSIA, THAT HE MADE A PROCLAMATION THROUGHOUT ALL HIS KINGDOM, AND PUT IT ALSO IN WRITING, SAYING, THUS SAITH CYRUS KING OF PERSIA, ALL THE KINGDOMS OF THE EARTH HATH THE LORD GOD OF HEAVEN GIVEN ME; AND HE HATH CHARGED ME TO BUILD HIM AN HOUSE IN JERUSALEM".
The decree of Cyrus was in 536 B.C. (Ussher). Around 50,000 Jews returned to their homeland at that time.
Ezra 4:1-5 says, "Now when the adversaries of Judah and Benjamin heard that the children of the captivity builded the temple unto the LORD God of Israel; Then they came to Zerubbabel, and to the chief of the fathers, and said unto them, Let us build with you: for we seek your God, as ye do; and we do sacrifice unto him since the days of Esarhaddon king of Assur, which brought us up hither. But Zerubbabel, and Jeshua, and the rest of the chief of the fathers of Israel, said unto them, Ye have nothing to do with us to build an house unto our God; but we ourselves together will build unto the LORD God of Israel, as king Cyrus the king of Persia hath commanded us. Then the people of the land weakened the hands of the people of Judah, and troubled them in building, And hired counsellors against them, to frustrate their purpose, all the days of Cyrus king of Persia, even until the reign of Darius king of Persia."
"Then ceased the work of the house of God which is at Jerusalm. So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of Darius king of Persia." Ezra 4:24.
PART 2 - THE DECREE OF DARIUS - 520/19 BC
The entire decree of Cyrus was not given in 2 Chron. 36:22,23. Ezra 6:1-15 says, "Darius the king made a decree, and search was made in the house of the rolls, where the treasures were laid up in Babylon. And there was found at Achmetha, in the palace that is in the province of the Medes, a roll, and therein was a record thus written: IN THE FIRST YEAR OF CYRUS THE KING THE SAME CYRUS THE KING MADE A DECREE CONCERNING THE HOUSE OF GOD AT JERUSALEM, Let the house be builded, the place where they offered sacrifices, and LET THE FOUNDATIONS THEREOF BE STRONGLY LAID; the height thereof threescore cubits, and the breadth thereof threescore cubits; With three rows of great stones, and a row of new timber: and let the expenses be given out of the king's house: And also let the golden and silver vessels of the house of God, which Nebuchadnezzar took forth out of the temple which is at Jerusalem, and brought unto Babylon, be restored, and brought again unto the temple which is at Jerusalem, every one to his place, and place them in the house of God. Now therefore, Tatnai, governor beyond the river, Shetharboznai, and your companions the Apharsachites, which are beyond the river, be ye far from thence: Let the work of this house of God alone; let the governor of the Jews and the elders of the Jews build this house of God in his place.
"MOREOVER I MAKE A DECREE what ye shall do to the elders of these Jews for the building of this house of God: that of the king's goods, even of the tribute beyond the river, forthwith expenses be given unto these men, that they be not hindered. And that which they have need of, both young bullocks, and rams, and lambs, for the burnt offerings of the God of heaven, wheat, salt, wine, and oil, according to the appointment of the priests which are at Jerusalem, let it be given them day by day without fail: That they may offer sacrifices of sweet savours unto the God of heaven, and pray for the life of the king, and of his sons.
"ALSO I HAVE MADE A DECREE, that whosoever shall alter this word, let timber be pulled down from his house, and being set up, let him be hanged thereon; and let his house be made a dunghill for this. And the God that hath caused his name to dwell there destroy all kings and people, that shall put to their hand to alter and to destroy this house of God which is at Jerusalem. I DARIUS HAVE MADE A DECREE; let it be done with speed. Then Tatnai, governor on this side the river, Shetharboznai, and their companions, according to that which Darius the king had sent, so they did speedily. And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And THEY BUILDED, AND FINISHED IT, ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT OF THE GOD OF ISRAEL, AND ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT OF CYRUS, AND DARIUS, AND ARTAXERXES KING OF PERSIA. And this house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king."
PART 3 - THE DECREE OF ARTAXERXES - 457 BC
Daniel 9:25,26 indicated that the Messiah would be killed after 483 years (483 - 457 + 1 = 27 AD). The year 27 AD was the Sabbatic Year during which Jesus began his ministry when he was about 30 years old. Ten days after his birthday on Tishri 1, on the Day of Atonement, he announced the following year (28 AD) as the year of Jubilee.
Bible Chronology and Prophecy:
By William F. Dankenbring
The remains of a palace of Artaxerxes III have been discovered at Persepolis. An inscription of Artaxerxes III himself on the walls of that palace reads:
Says Artaxerxes the great king, king of kings, king of countries, king of this earth: I (am) the son of Artaxerxes (II) the king; Artaxerxes (was) the son of Darius (II) the king; Darius (was) the son of Artaxerxes (I) the king; Artaxerxes (was) the son of Xerxes the king; Xerxes (was) the son of Darius (I) the king: Darius was the son of Hystaspes by name. Hystaspes (was) the son of Arsames by name, the Achaemenid."
This list of Persian kings agrees perfectly with the Canon of Ptolemy....
Babylonian cuneiform records. These were business and legal records dated by the year of the king. Darius I, Xerxes I, Artaxerxes 1, Darius II, are also corroborated by other records totally independent of Ptolemy's Canon. During the years between 1898 and 1908 papyri records of an ancient Jewish colony living at Elephantine in Egypt were uncovered by the archaeologists spade. They covered almost all of the fifty century B.C., from 494 to about 400 B.C. These records of that very time mention the kings Darius I, Xerxes, Artaxerxes I, Darius II and Artaxerxes II, and are in agreement with Ptolemy's Canon in every way (see Aramaic Papyri of First Century B. C, edited by A. Cowley)".
Wikipedia: "The Babylonian dynastic tablet gives 194.3 years from Yukin-Zira to the overthrow of Nabonidos. The 1st year of Yukin-Zira is astronomically fixed to the year 731 B.C. This then would make the overthrow of Nabonidos in the year 537 B.C. and the 1st year of Cyrus as ruler of Babylon in the year 536 B.C.
Babylonian and Persian Periods:
...Cyrus II [559-530]...
1st (year) 538/7
Cyrus issues a proclamation for the Jews to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem....
3rd (year) 536/5
Timeframe of Daniel 10-12 (Daniel told of coming events by angel...
Return of Jews under Zerubbabel (probable; 70 years, inclusive, from 1st phase of captivity in 605 BCE).
605/604 BCE - 70 years = 535/534 BCE
Reconstruction of the Temple begun.
Darius I-the Great [522-486]...
2nd (year) 520/19
Darius issued a decree that the rebuilding of the Temple should resume without interference...
Artaxerxes I [465-423]...
7th (year) 458 (457)
Ezra left Babylon for Jerusalem on Nisan 1...
Incoming e-mail, Re: Pro & Con 1345
In P&C 1345 you wrote the following:
> > ·I am surprised that so many miss the obvious. If there is a last trump of God, there must also be a first trump of God.
> > ·I understand the first trump being Pentecost, because the first trumpet of the Bible was sounded by God at Mt. Sinai in Sivan.
> > ·I Cor. 15:51-53: "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and WE (ALL SAINTS, INCLUDING PAUL AND THE OTHER 23 ELDERS RAISED AT THE FIRST TRUMP) SHALL BE CHANGED.
> > ·RAPTURE ONE, THE FIRST "TRUMP OF GOD"
> > ·I Thess. 4:16,17: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
If the first trump was sounded at the first Pentecost by God at Mt. Sinai how can the trump in 1 Thess. 4:16-17 have anything to do with a pre-trib rapture?
To me, the wording/message in 1Cor. 15:51-51 and 1 Thess. 4:16-17 is so similar that I think they are both referring to the same event. If they are, then the trump in 1Thess. 4:16-17 is also referring to the last trump because 1Cor. 15:51-53 states the last trump. Thanks again
The first trumpet of the Bible was sounded at Mt. Sinai as a type. It was not the actual Pre-Trib Rapture, which we read about in I Thess. 4:13-18. It plainly describes a Rapture. The description of the trumpet at Mt. Sinai doesn't say that it is the first trump or the last trump. We just know that it is the first time the word trumpet appears in the Bible. 1 Cor. 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them (Israel) for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come."
I Thess. 4:16,17 doesn't mention the word "changed." I Cor. 15:51,52 does. That makes a lot of difference. From 1 Cor 15:42's "So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption," we can tell that the dead are raised incorruptible at the first Rapture. However, they are not yet immortal. All the saved actually become immortal when they are "changed" when the entire Body of Christ is complete at the time of the second Rapture. Agape
Thanks again for helping me understand better.
Incoming e-mail, Re: METHODOLOGY OF THE ESCHATON
Shalom, It has been a long time, I hope all is well.
This message (post) is not about the rapture. There is however, as believers, the need for sentience on some global, common issues, in this case the methodology of the eschaton. There has been a significant amount of conversation lately regarding "the end of the world". Just the other day on the National Geo-heretic channel [just a pun, no injury attempted or intended ], they televised an "expose" concerning meteorites colliding into the earth, earthquakes, the Canary Islands subsiding into the Atlantic ocean, Yellowstone Park blowing up, etc.
While it is sagacious to maintain an eye and ear on things, as believers we are to know that the world never goes up in a puff of glory dust. The meek shall inherit the earth, not a puff of dust. Abraham and his seed possess an unconditional land grant extending from the Nile to the Euphrates: JPSGenesis 15:18 In that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying: 'Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates;" It is also very clear from scriptures that the surface of the earth will experience enormous metamorphosis. There is a very fascinating matter that the Abrahamic land grant extends from the Nile to the Euphrates; this distance, on the average, is about 1360 miles. This exact same distance is also found in the book of Revelation: NKJ Revelation 21:16 The city is laid out as a square; its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand furlongs [a furlong at that time was about 600 feet, thus, about 7,200,000 feet]. Its length, breadth, and height are equal." It is also interesting to note that Goshen (where the vast majority of Hebrews resided during the Egyptian diaspora) and Babylon (where many were exiled to during the Babylonian diaspora) are within the confines of Abraham’s original land grant. In an oblique way we were never fully exiled, these areas were, and still are, part of the Promised Land, in the eyes of Adonai.
The other principal reason that the earth never detonates into dust is that Yeshua’s blood was poured out on it in full measure in Jerusalem. Anything, anybody drenched in the blood of Yeshua can never die or explode. The belief of being drenched in the blood of Jesus renders the testimony of the believer regarding what the blood of Christ has done for them, tantamount to scripture itself! NKJRevelation 12:11 "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death." That the testimony of what the blood of Jesus has done for someone is tantamount to scripture is evident when an ex-alcoholic gives his blood soaked testimony to alcoholics and they are exorcised of their demon of alcohol. People should never negotiate their testimony with the pastor or allow denominational boxes suppress it.
Y’va-reh-cha-cha Ah-doe-nigh v’yeesh-m’reh-cha, Ya-air Ah-doe-nigh, pa-navh ay-leh-cha vee-choo-neh-ka, Yee-sa Ah-doe-nigh pa-nahv al-leh-cha ve-ya-sem l’cha Shalom. (Numbers 6:24-26). The Lord bless you and keep you, The Lord make His face shine upon you and be gracious unto you, The Lord lift up His countenance upon you and give you peace. Rosh Chodesh.
Here is something to think about. The dimensions of a sphere are the same as the dimensions of a cube. "Its length, breadth, and height are equal". Shalom
I knew the Jews expect two Messiahs, but one being killed is news to me
The Messiah of Judaism
According to Jewish scripture and tradition, at the End of Days the nations of the world come against Jerusalem in the battle of Gog and Magog. Messiah ben Joseph leads the armies of Israel in battle and DIES in the process. Both Elijah and Messiah ben Joseph are forerunners to Messiah ben David, who will come after a period of struggle and trying for the descendents of Israel. Messiah ben Joseph is seen as the PIERCED Messiah of Zechariah 12:10...
Maimonides does a great job in condensing Jewish belief and expectation in the Messiah. The Jewish beliefs and expectations of the Messiah is wide and varied. Through the Talmud, and other writing we see the expectation of two Messiahs. One called Messiah Son of David, and the other Messiah Son of Joseph actually precedes the Messiah son of David and is KILLED IN THE BATTLE OF GOG AND MAGOG. Messiah Son of David then asks the Lord to resurrect the slain Messiah Son of Joseph. The Babylonian Talmud refers to the relationship between these two Messiah’s. (emphasis mine)
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