Pro and Con 1351

Posted 8-20-07

Temple's location found, says Israeli archaeologist

Study of ancient cisterns pinpoints sacred site,
– Muslim Dome of the Rock outside confines

Feb 11, 2007...According to Patrich, the Temple, its corresponding courtyards, chambers and gates were oriented in a more southeasterly direction, sitting diagonally on what is the modern Temple Mount....

Patrich's siting of the Temple is derived from information collected by British engineer Sir Charles Wilson in 1866 on behalf of the Palestine Exploration Fund. Wilson mapped a series of ancient cisterns below the present Temple Mount platform. One of those, Patrich says, preserves a vestige of the Temple that stood until it was destroyed by Rome in A.D. 70.

The cistern mapped by Wilson, approximately 15 feet wide, 170 feet long and 45 feet deep, was located near the Temple Mount's southeast corner. It was oriented in a southeasterly direction with branches extending north and south....

The Mishnah says water was drawn by a waterwheel mechanism from a cistern and held in a large basin, or laver, for daily purification by the Temple's priests before they ascended the nearby ramp to the altar to offer sacrifices.

My comment

I think the back of the Temple faced the Wailing Wall, and the front faced the sunrise--due east.

Eze 8:16 says, "And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east."

Of the millennial Temple, Eze 40:6 says, "Then came he unto the gate which looketh toward the east".

Eze 40:32 says, "he brought me into the inner court toward the east".

Eze 41:14 says, "Also the breadth of the face of the house, and of the separate place toward the east, an hundred cubits."

Eze 40:44 says, "And without the inner gate were the chambers of the singers in the inner court, which was at the side of the north gate; and their prospect was toward the south: one at the side of the east gate having the prospect toward the north."

Eze 41:14 says, "Also the breadth of the face of the house, and of the separate place toward the east, an hundred cubits."

A Temple WILL BE BUILT in Jerusalem Before Messiah Returns

by Roy A. Reinhold

In 1993, there was a great controversy between the former Chief Sephardic Rabbi Mordechai Eliahu and Rabbi Yisrael Ariel who heads the Temple Institute, concerning whether it is the responsibility of Jews to build a third Temple or whether the Temple will be brought down from heaven when the Messiah comes. Rabbi Ariel stated that the commandment obligates every Jewish man and woman to rebuild the Temple....

Here's something to think about, if you think that the Temple to be built in Jerusalem soon will be exactly as outlined in Ezekiel 40-48. The area where the Temple in Ezekiel is located is 500 reeds square as stated in Ezekiel 42:15-20. 500 reeds is about 1.5 km or 1 mile square on each side, being more exactly stated as closer to 5000 feet on each side. The current Temple Mount is approximately 500 yards on the east and west sides, 280 yards on the south side, and 340 yards on the north side. It is impossible to believe that a huge mammoth undertaking would be done in Jerusalem before the Messiah comes, to enlarge the Temple Mount to the size mentioned in Ezekiel 42. In order to do this, the Kidron valley would have to be filled in and perhaps part of the old city of Jerusalem destroyed to build up the Temple Mount. Besides we are told in Revelation 11 that only the inner court of the Temple will be used.

Olmert’s goal: Permanent agreement with Palestinians by November

PM, Abbas meeting in recent months to resolve core issues, including Jerusalem, refugees and permanent borders before US-brokered conference of Mideast nations in Washington Shimon Shiffer, Aug 16, 07,7340,L-3438297,00.html

...Joint control over Temple Mount...

Israel would apparently agree to return more than 90 percent of the West Bank...

In return for holding on to large Jewish settlement blocs in the West Bank, Olmert would likely agree to give up some parts of the Negev to the Palestinians....

Science and the Shroud of Turin

Scientists at the U.S. Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs were stunned when they placed a photograph of the face of the Shroud in a VP8 computerized image enhancer that had been designed for the Mariner Space Program. The Shroud picture mysteriously contained encoded information which produced an uncanny three-dimensional image. It is therefore possible that the image of the Shroud contains X-ray information. This is not possible with any ordinary photographic technique and certainly could not be duplicated by a forger, medieval or contemporary.

These relief pictures reveal the existence of two small disks on the man’s eyelids. These disks have been identified through high magnification as coins which were minted by Pontius Pilate in Palestine between October 28 A.D. and October 31 A.D



> > Most modern versions of the Bible render beyn ha’arbayim “at twilight,” “at dusk,” “at even,” “at eventide.” The literal phrase, beyn ha’arbayim “between the evenings” occurs 11 times in the Old Testament (Ex 12:6; 16:12; 29:39; 29:41; 30:8; Lev 23:5; Nu 9:3, 5,11: 28:4,8), and is Strong’s #H6153, H6150.

> > The Jews have always reckoned between the evenings as beginning in the afternoon, literally, the time between the decline of the sun after noon, i.e. the first evening, until… the setting of the sun to end the day, i.e. the second evening. Therefore, until the destruction of the Second Temple, the vast majority of observant Jews, according to God’s clear instructions given in the Torah, killed the Passover lamb on the afternoon of 14 Abib/Nissan, beginning with the first evening at 3:00 p.m., “the ninth hour” as Matt 27:45,46; Mark 15:33,34 and Luke 23:44 write. (Mark is written in Jewish time, while John is written on Roman time.)

I think the Passover lamb was killed between 3 and 6 PM, between the evenings, on Nisan 13 so it could be roasted and eaten begore midnight of Nisan 14, Passover. Agape

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Point to Ponder re: Ezekiel 4:5

"Date of Israel's Becoming a Nation Prophecied in the Bible!"

...If a judge gives John Doe 4 years in jail, but allows him to come out on probation after 2 years because he hearkened unto the judge's word. John's time would be fulfilled in 2 years. But if he did not hearken unto the judge's word, when the first 2 years are complete, he would not be granted probation. The judge would take the remaining 2 years & multiply that by 7. Now John has 14 years left to finish his sentence...

606 BC - 70 = 536 BC.. In 536 BC their probationary period would begin and would end in the year 176 BC if they would have hearkened unto the Lord. Only 4% to 7% did... and in 536 BC, God multiplied the remainder by 7.

430 - 70 = 360 yrs 360yrs x 7 = 2,520 years...
2,520 yrs X 360 days = 907,200 days
Now divide 907,200 days by 365.25 yrs
Total calendar yrs = 2,483.77
2,483.77 - 536 BC = 1947.77...

The years 1 BC - 1 AD were counted as 1 year instead of 2 yrs, therefore; we need to add 1 year...

1947.77 + 1 = 1948.77... Israel became a nation on the 14th day of May in 1948...

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> > The Last Day: it has to be settled by a last day shewdown:
Day of the LORD vs Day of God til one winner take all in end.
The day of the LORD is darkness, and not light: Amos 5:18.
The day of God is light having no darkness at all: 1John 1:5.

1 John 1:5 does not mention the day of God. It says, "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all."

It is true that Amos 5:18 says, "Woe unto you that desire the DAY OF THE LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light."

However, the "day of God" is the same as the "day of the LORD."

2 Peter 3:12 says, "Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the DAY OF GOD, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?" Rev 16:14 says, "For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great DAY OF GOD Almighty" (i.e., the Day of the Son of Man,

This DAY OF GOD is THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH, when Gog's army attacks Israel and God's fury comes up in his face. The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea at that time, and the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky.

Luke 17:22-24, 30-34 says, "he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day....Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. Remember Lot's wife. Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left."

Eze. 38:18-23 says, "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY SHALL COME UP IN MY FACE. FOR IN MY JEALOUSY AND IN THE FIRE OF MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother. And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone. Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the EYES of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Rev 6:14-17 describes that day. It says, "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him (Jesus) THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE (in the Sign of the Son of Man seen in the sky), and from the WRATH OF THE LAMB: For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

This day is also Christ's CORONATION DAY in Heaven. That is why he is seen sitting on the throne in the Sign of the Son of Man.

This day is also the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Marriage of the Lamb and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

Rev 11:15-19 says, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall REIGN for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art (on the DAY OF THE LORD), and wast (AT THE FIRST ADVENT), and art to come (AT THE SECOND ADVENT, which is 7 months after this, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest DESTROY THEM WHICH DESTROY THE EARTH. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament (with the two stone tablets with the 10 commandments written on them): and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an EARTHQUAKE, and great hail" (when the two asteroids the stones represent hit Earth). Agape

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> > When scripture says: (Matthew 24:36 ASV) But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels of heaven, neither the Son, but the Father only." (Mark 13:32 ASV) But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." The term "that day" is used in the same sense as in the First Testament (FT) and it is virtually ubiquitously a reference to the "Day of the Lord" and NOT the Rapture, as they are two separate events.

Since it mentions the hour, I take it to refer to a single day. The word used for "knoweth" is only used in certain past tenses. No one knew at that time. As it stands, it has nothing to do with what we can know today.

> > Another error is that at Shavuot, some separate entity called the "church" was formed. Not so! Paul did not graft gentiles into a Christian "church". Paul grafted gentiles into what the Septuagint calls "the ekklesia of Israel", an already cultivated Olive tree “see LXX Lev 8:3; Num 20:8; Deut 4:10; 9:10; 18:16; 23:1ff, 8; 31:12, 28, 30; Josh 8:30; Judg 20:2; 21:5, 8; 1 Sam 17:47; 19:20; 1 Kgs 8:14, 22, 55, 65; 1 Chr 13:2, 4; 28:2, 8; 29:1, 10, 20; 2 Chr 1:3, 5; 6:3, 12f; 7:8; 10:3; 20:5, 14; 23:3; 28:14; 29:23, 28, 31f; 30:2, 4, 13, 17, 23ff; Ezra 2:64; 10:1, 8, 12, 14; Neh 5:7, 13; 7:66; 8:2, 17; 13:1; Esth 4:16; Job 30:28; Ps 22:22, 25; 26:5, 12; 35:18; 40:9; 68:26; 89:5; 107:32; 149:1; Prov 5:14; Eccl 1:1f, 12; 7:27; 12:8ff; Lam 1:10; Joel 2:16; Mic 2:5. The "ekklesia" always existed, and it started with Israel.

Point well taken. There is one body, and we are all one in Christ. Lev. 8:3's ekklesia, called out ones, is translated as congregation. It says, "assemble the whole congregation at the door of the tabernacle." The ekklesia that started on Pentecost started with Israelites too. Then the Gentiles were added in. The difference between the OT ekklesia and the NT ekklesia is that each member of the NT ekklesia is indwelt by the Holy Spirit.


> > 1) In several places the KJV is improperly rendered, here is one: Isaiah 13:3 "I have commanded my sanctified ones, I have also called my mighty ones for mine anger, even them that rejoice in my highness." The word the redactors translated as "anger" is Hebrew "Api, or Aphi" meaning "nose" or "nostrils". Isaiah 13:3 is about the rapture and should read: I have appointed my sanctified ones, And I have invited (called forth) my excellent ones to my nose (face) even to come up [make aliyah] to My High Place. The “calling forth” is summoning up the dead in Messiah. The “sanctified ones”are those who will preach with Apostolic power in the months leading up to the resurrection of the dead.

Thanks, I didn't catch that. The JPS says, "I have commanded My consecrated ones, yea, I have called My mighty ones for mine ANGER, even My proudly exulting ones." The LITV says, "I have commanded My holy ones; I have also called My warriors for My ANGER, those exultant at My majesty."

However, I can tell by the sequence of Rev. 6:17, 7:14 and 8:2 that the Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place after the Day of God's Wrath has come, but before the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth.

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

Rev 8:2 says, "I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets."

Psa 149:1-9 says, "Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG (sung after both Raptures, Rev. 5:9; 14:4,5), and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. Let the saints be joyful in glory (i.e., in Heaven): let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."

When all the saints are in Heaven, the Judgment Seat of Christ will convene. The saints will receive their rewards while the unbelievers on Earth receive the wrath of God. Rev 11:15-18 says, "the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

> > 2) The astronomical event called the Saros is a 12-month span of time that contains 7 eclipses. Also the Hebrew calendar should be based on it, as it is a Fibonacci sequence: 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13, 21,,,. The Fibonacci sequence/ratio is seen in a staggering number of patterns. Phi = 1.618033 and is on a comparable level with pi (3.14159,,,) and e (2.7182,,,). Consider: that the month, day, and time that Ezekiel saw the Shekinah Glory depart from Jerusalem (i.e. The Mount of Olives), was the same month, day, and hour Yeshua (Matthew 27:51ff) departed from the Mount of Olives. Many other resurrected dead also departed earth at that very same moment. It was 40 days after His resurrection, or as Genesis has it, the 27th day of the second month. Before the destruction of the second Temple, the 40th day after firstfruits (Abib 16) i.e. the 27th day of the second month was observed as a Holy day. The Shekinah Glory and Yeshua departed from the Mount of Olives on the 27th day of the second month in the year that began a new 18-year Saros cycle. The 12-month year from February 2007 to February 2008 is a Saros period.

How can you tell that Yeshua ascended on the same month, day, and hour that Ezekiel saw the Shekinah Glory depart from the Mt. of Olives?

Where in Genesis is Nisan/Abib 27 indicated? I think Noah came out of the Ark on Cheshvan 27, because it was before Nisan became the first month. However, once started, the Sacred Calendar could be extrapolated both forward and backward. How else could we figure out that the day that God rested and this cosmos began to operate as it does today was Tishri 1?

Although I counted it as Iyar 28, it is possible that Ascension Day was Iyar 27.

> > The "Sign of the prophet Jonah". Many see the “sign of the prophet Jonah”(KJVMatthew 12:39, 16:4; KJVLuke 11:29.) as foreshadowing Yeshua’s resurrection on the third day, in the same fashion as Jonah was regurgitated by the great fish on the third day (Jonah 1:17-3:3). However, there is more to the “sign of the prophet Jonah’. After emerging from the great fish, Jonah preached for forty days. So did Yeshua and many others: KJVMatthew 27:51 "And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.". These people, along with Jesus, preached for forty days and were then raptured. The date of Jesus”ascension was well known in advance, the 40th day after resurrection. That people will know the rapture is approaching in the "rapture" of Elijah: KJV2 Kings 2:3 "And the sons of the prophets that were at Bethel came forth to Elisha, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the LORD will take away thy master from thy head to day? And he said, Yea, I know it"...

> > The sign that the rapture is 40 days (and "trumps" “1 Corinthians 15:52 "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:") away is the rising of the dead in Christ.

Ascension Day could be the day of the Rapture, because Yeshua ascended that day. However, I think he took the resurrected saints to Heaven on Resurrection Day. John 20:17 says, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." When he came back that same day, he could be touched.

> > The statistics regarding the eclipses of 2007-2008 are:

1 Solar, partial - Saturday (Shabbat) February 17, 2007
2 Lunar - Saturday (Shabbat) March 3, 2007
3 Solar, partial - Monday March 19, 2007
4 Lunar - Tuesday, August 28, 2007
5 Solar, partial - Tuesday, September 11, 2007
6 Solar, FULL - Thursday, February 7, 2008
7 Lunar - Thursday, February 21, 2008

In addition, The First Day of the First Hebrew Month is Abib (Nisan) 1, 5768 (6015 Anno Mundi; 2,454,563 Julian Day Calendar) = Sunday, April 6, 2008.

The Resurrection of the Dead (in Messiah, 1 Thessalonians 4:16) Abib 16, 5768 = Monday, April 21, 2008.

Ascension Day is possible. Yeshua is the head of the Body of Christ. They could ascend on the anniversary of his ascension. However, the Pre-Trib Rapture is the first trump of God (I Thess. 4:16,17). As a type, the first trumpet of the Bible sounded on Pentecost (Ex. 19:16,17). Therefore, I think Pentecost could be the day of the first-trumpet Rapture. I think the Pre-Wrath Rapture will be on the Feast of Trumpets that is the Day of God's Wrath.

> > Iyar 26/27 = Saturday May 31, 2008 = JUDGMENT DAY FOR THE “EKKLESIA”= RAPTURE.

The Time of Rapture will be exactly 6 PM Jerusalem time = 11:00 AM E.S.T. = 8:00 AM P.S.T. This is the time Ezekiel saw the Shekinah depart, as He did not see the Glory depart at night-time, neither did the Apostles see Christ depart at night, rather it was 6 PM, the beginning of the next day for Hebrews.

> > Yeshua began His ministry at age 30. He ministered 7 years (Since the antichrist gets 7 years, and he can only imitate what God has done before, it is "scriptologically" correct that Yeshua must have had 7 years. Isaac was 37 when his father Abraham would have sacrificed him. Yeshua died at age 37. When Yeshua was 36, a saros preceded his execution and re-birth with a glorified body.). Man maintained calendars may be flawed, hence date errors can creep into calculations; however, eclipses are NOT subject to miscalculations made by man. Astronomical time keeping is totally independent of humanity’s machinations, whether correct or not.

If this posting is still available when the antichrist arises, take note. On Sunday, Abib 10th, Yeshua entered Jerusalem. On Abib 12th, Yeshua performed "Bediqat Chametz", He purged His house of leaven “drove out the moneychangers [Matthew 21:12ff; Mark 11:15ff; John 2:15ff.], etc. On Abib 13th He was executed on a stake. On Abib 16th, Saturday evening around 5-6 PM, He arose

The first beast of Rev. 13 rules for the first 3.5 years of the Tribulation, and the second beast, the False Prophet, rules 3.5 years. I think Yeshua's ministry lasted 3.5 years. I totally agree with Nisan/Abib 13 for the Crucifixion. It was on Thursday in 30 AD. That was the preparation of the Passover. John 19:14 says, "it was the preparation of the passover".

I think Yeshua was baptised in 26 AD, and announced the coming Jubilee Year (Isa. 61:1,2a) on the Day of Atonement (Tishri 10) in 27 AD near his 30th birthday on Tishri 1. The Jubilee year started Nisan 1 in 28 AD. The Crucifixion was Nisan 13 in 30 AD. The 40 years of the iniquity of the house of Judah (Eze. 4:6) ran from 30 to 70 AD, when the Temple was burned. To me, Eze. 4:6 locks in 30 AD for the Crucifixion.

> > KJVDaniel 12:11 "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. [The astronomically accurate Tishri 1, Yom HaTeruah The Day of the Blowing of Trumpets “Tishri 1), 2015 = Wednesday, October 14, 2015 = 2457310 Julian Day Calendar = The Great and Dreadful Day of the Lord = Armageddon. ]

We are not far apart here. I figure the great and terrible Day of the Lord, the Day of God's Wrath, will be the 2300th day of the Tribulation (Dan. 8:12-14), Tishri 1, 5776, Monday, Sept. 14, 2015, on the present-day Hebrew Calendar.

The Day of God's Wrath on Earth is also the day of Yeshua's coronation in Heaven (Rev. 11:15-19).

I think the Second Advent will be 7 months later (Eze. 39:12-14), on Nisan 1, 5776, Shabbat, April 9, 2016. That will be the first day of both the Hebrew Regnal Year and Sacred Year. Shalom

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