Pro and Con 1352

Posted 8-26-07

Incoming e-mail, Re: Need help in understanding this please

I am new to your web site, and also new in learning about Gods will for my life while here on earth. I'm not sure how or why but about a week ago I got this unexplainable hunger for God's word and for knowledge. Up until that time I think I was Lukewarm, which is scary to say the least. I have been a Christian for about 6 yrs now. Well please don't ask me how, but for the last year or so I just somehow knew that the rapture was going to always be at the feast of trumpets. Which I think is what resulted in my new found hunger for knowledge. Because I always knew we were in the end times just based on what is happening in the world and with Israel and all. Well in my researching in the past week about the feast of trumpets, I was trying to find out how long a generation was, and I ended up at your web site. THANK GOD for that!!! Your obedience to The Lords call on your life has resulted in the closest walk with The Lord I have ever experienced. PRAISE GOD!! So now I can't get enough....I have read about half of everything in your pro-con area so far, and have a long way to go yet. Right now I am in the middle of figuring out why The Lord put the feast of trumpets on my heart so much and your Pentecost theory. Your theory seems rock solid, but I cannot ignore what seems to be in my heart. Oh, and your idea of 2 raptures was an answer to so much prayer for me. I have always been so confused as to why the post tribbers and my pre trib thinking were so far off from each other. Because there ARE scripture to back both up, which always made me so confused about it. But the way you have picked it apart to see the truth is incredible....See if you can help me with two things I cannot understand.

One, in your Pro and Con 1340 in Luke 17:26-37 you quote the verse and make BOLD the points you are making for plural DAY(S) of the Son of man.
But I also noticed above it in Luke 17:22 it also seems to confirm DAY(S) also.....The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it.

Which at first made perfect sense to me. But then I noticed that in Luke 17:24 it says DAY. No plural..... Luke 17:24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.
Also Luke 17:30 is DAY no plural.....
This seems like a contradiction to itself and I just don't understand it. Do you know what it means?

And I also don't understand why in Luke 17:31 it says "day", and Luke 17:34 it says "night"...

The last question, I read in one of your Pro and Cons...that the whole book of Revelation is all about the rapture, which once I looked at it like that it makes sense to me. Well if Revelation 3:7 church of Philadelphia is the pre-trib rapture, and Revelation 3:14 church of Laodiceans is the pre-wrath rapture, who what why where and when are the other churches before them? I can't figure this out. From Revelation 2:1 to 3:6, all of that.

...Please help if you can. And thank you again for your obedience to The Lord, you have been a HUGE blessing to me and my family. In Christ

My reply

> > I'm not sure how or why but about a week ago I got this unexplainable hunger for God's word

That is the way the Lord works in our lives.

> > for the last year or so I just somehow knew that the rapture was going to always be at the feast of trumpets

I will tell you how I see things. Remember that I am not a prophet. I can make mistakes.

I think the second Rapture, the "LAST TRUMP" (I Cor. 15:51,52), the one for the Tribulation saints, will be on the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1). I have looked at every feast and find better reasons for the Pre-Trib Rapture, the FIRST "TRUMP OF GOD" (I Thess. 4:16,17), to be on Pentecost. The last trump will come after the first trump too, as the Feast of Trumpets follows Pentecost.

Christ is the Redeemer, the YHWH of hosts, the first and the last, the LORD of the Old Testament and the Lord of the New Testament. Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH of hosts); and beside me there is no God."

In Rev 1:8, Jesus says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is (at the Rapture), and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." In Rev 22:12,13, Jesus said, "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last." In Rev 22:16, he said, "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root (YHWH) AND the offspring of David (Jesus)". In John 10:30, Jesus said, "I and my Father are one."

Our Redeemer CAME DOWN on Pentecost at Mt. Sinai. He also CAME DOWN to indwell believers on Pentecost in 30 AD. In Heb. 13:5, he said, "I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." In John 14:23, Jesus said unto him, "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE WILL COME UNTO HIM, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM."

Things to ponder. If he came down to believers on Pentecost twice, why wouldn't he come down to meet believers in the clouds on Pentecost the third time? The type is good. At Mt. Sinai, he said, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself" (Ex. 19:4). Verse 11 says, "And be ready against the third day: for THE THIRD DAY THE LORD WILL COME DOWN". Is this why Jesus was raised from the dead on the THIRD DAY? (Mt. 17:23). Will there be another resurrection on a third day?

The first and last trumps are associated with the two horns of the ram Abraham sacrificed on Mt. Moriah instead of Isaac in Genesis 22. According to Jewish tradition, the FIRST TRUMP SOUNDS ON PENTECOST AND THE LAST TRUMP SOUNDS ON THE FEAST OF TRUMPETS. That rings true to me, because the first trumpet of the Bible did sound at Mt. Sinai in early Sivan. According to their tradition, the Israelites arrived at Mt. Sinai on Sivan 3 and "THE VOICE OF THE TRUMPET EXCEEDING LOUD" sounded on the third day, Sivan 6, Pentecost (Ex. 19:1-17).

The first and last trumps of God have nothing to do with the 7 trumpet judgments sounded by angels. To keep them distinct, the last trump of God sounds to call the Tribulation saints of Rev. 7 to Heaven before the 7 trumpets of judgment are given to the angels in Rev. 8. All 7 trumpet judgments hit the Earth in quick succession. When the 7th angel sounds, all "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever" (Rev. 11:15).

1 Cor. 15:51,52 refers to the last trump of God. It says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we (including Paul) shall ALL be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed (become immortal)."

If there is a last trump, there has to be a first trump. 1 Thess. 4:16,17 refers to the FIRST TRUMP....

The dead will be raised incorruptible at both Raptures, but none will actually become immortal until the whole Body of Christ is in Heaven at the last trump. Paul, one of the 24 elders seen in Heaven after the first Rapture, will be part of the first Rapture, but he will actually become immortal when all saints become immortal, at the second Rapture.

Song of Solomon 2:10-14 sounds like the Rapture of the Bride of Christ will be in the spring. It says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone (i.e., the Latter Rain of Nisan is over); The flowers appear on the earth (April showers bring May flowers); the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove, which comes in April and leaves in October) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. ARISE, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ, our rock), in the secret places of the stairs (omit "places"; this, like Jacob's ladder that stretched from Earth to Heaven, is literally THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS)...our vines have tender grapes." The grapes begin to come on in late May or early June. Next Pentecost is June 9 and 10 (Sivan 6 and 7, 5768).

Isa. 18:3-6 has an important message for the whole world. It says, "ALL YE INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD, AND DWELLERS ON THE EARTH, SEE YE, when he lifteth up an ensign (flag) on the mountains (nations, i.e., the UN); and WHEN HE (the LORD) BLOWETH A TRUMPET, hear ye. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (lit., see) in my dwelling place (Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For AFORE THE HARVEST (the vintage is in Tishri, and the Feast of Trumpets is Tishri 1), WHEN THE BUD IS PERFECT, AND THE SOUR GRAPE IS RIPENING IN THE FLOWER (i.e., in the spring), he shall both cut off the sprigs (i.e., branches with fruit) with pruning hooks, and TAKE AWAY (i.e., take them to Heaven at the Pre-Trib Rapture) and cut down the branches (i.e., those with no fruit). THEY SHALL BE LEFT (like the foolish virgins) together unto the fowls of the mountains (i.e., kingdoms), and to the BEASTS (i.e., the Beast and False Prophet of Rev. 13) of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall WINTER upon them." Thus, Pentecost fits the Pre-Trib Rapture before summer comes....

> > Your obedience to The Lords call on your life has resulted in the closest walk with The Lord I have ever experienced.

Thank you for your kind words. My husband was on board a ship coming home from Japan after WW II. He prayed for a Christian wife. He got me, but the Lord had to get my dad transferred from Terre Haute, IN, to Kingsport, TN. Then, he had to get both of our families to move 4 miles out of town to staff quarters at Holston Ordinance Works. Ed and I met when we got off the bus and walked up the hill together. After he asked me out, he only waited 4 days to ask me to marry him. We knew it was right. That is because God was behind it. Ed couldn't have gotten a stronger Christian wife, and we have been married 60 years. I am now 78. He is 83.

> > So now I can't get enough.

I know the feeling....

> > I have read about half of everything in your pro-con area so far

I hope you work your way backward from the lastest to the earliest. I change my mind if I can see that Scripture supports something. I consider Scripture in the original versions to be 100% correct.

> > your idea of 2 raptures was an answer to so much prayer for me.

I'm glad. I can't see why it is so hard for some to see. There is a group in Heaven in Rev. 5:9 and another group in Heaven in Rev. 7:9,14. In the first group, all sing the NEW SONG. In Rev. 14:4,5, we see that of the second group that cannot be numbered, only the 144,000 Israelites can sing the NEW SONG. They are to be added to the Bride group, because they are virgins without fault before the throne of God. When they are in Heaven, the Judgment Seat of Christ can take place.

> > One, in your Pro and Con 1340 in Luke 17:26-37 you quote the verse and make BOLD the points you are making for plural DAY(S) of the Son of man.
> > But I also noticed above it in Luke 17:22 it also seems to confirm DAY(S) also.....
> > Which at first made perfect sense to me. But then I noticed that in Luke 17:24 it says DAYl.....
> > Also Luke 17:30 is DAY no plural.....
> > This seems like a contradiction to itself and I just don't understand it. Do you know what it means?

Yes. The key is in Luke 17:22. Jesus said, "The DAYS will come, when ye shall desire to see ONE OF THE DAYS of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it." There are two days of the Son of Man, two Raptures. The first one is as the days of Noah--rain fell. The last one is as the days of Lot--fire fell. Verse 29 says, "But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all." The first Rapture is before the Tribulation. The last Rapture is on the Day of God's Wrath. I think of them being saved so as by fire. No wonder God has to wipe tears from their eyes. They barely make it out of here before the two large asteroid pieces of Rev. 8:8 and 8:10,11 hit Earth. Rev. 6:13 shows that small rocks are already falling to Earth before they are caught up.

> > Luke 17:24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.
> > Also Luke 17:30 is DAY no plural.....

It says, "Even thus shall it be in THE DAY when the Son of man is revealed." "HIS DAY" in verse 24 and "THE DAY" when he is "revealed" are the same literal day (singular). It is the Day of God's Wrath, when the Sign of the Son of Man will be seen in the sky.

Think of it this way. There are two Days of the Son of Man, but when you talk about just one of them, it is that day. Qualifiers will show you which Day of the Son of Man is meant.

Rev. 6:12-17 says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven (i.e., burning stones) fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven (i.e., the smoky atmosphere) departed as a scroll when it is rolled together (so the Sign of the Son of Man could be seen); and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?" Probably no one, because there will be a worldwide earthquake. In Eze. 38:20, every wall will fall.

Rev. 16:17-19 says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."

Rev. 18:21 tells us how Babylon falls. It says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Mt. 24:30 says, "And then shall appear THE SIGN OF THE SON OF MAN in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." This is not the Second Advent. That is still 7 months in the future (Eze. 39:12,13). However, they see him sitting on a throne in the sky. He has come to rapture the Tribulation saints.

He sends angels to gather the saints that are already in Heaven from one end of Heaven to the other. Mt 24:31 says, "And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other."

The Lord also sends angels to gather the Tribulation saints. Mark 13:25-27 says, "And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN." Those gathered from Earth are the Tribulation saints. Those gathered from Heaven are the saints that were taken there in the Pre-Trib Rapture. > > I also don't understand why in Luke 17:31 it says "day", and Luke 17:34 it says "night"

Half of the world has day while the other half has night. This seems to show that the Rapture will take place all over the world at the same time.

Luke 17:37 says, "Wheresoever the body (i.e., the Body of Christ) is (in Heaven), thither will the eagles (high flying Tribulation saints) be gathered together."

Psa. 103:2-5 says, "Bless the LORD, O my soul...Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that THY YOUTH IS RENEWED LIKE THE EAGLE'S."

Isa. 40:31 says, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; THEY SHALL MOUNT UP WITH WINGS AS EAGLES; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

Ex. 19:4 says, "Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on EAGLES' WINGS, and brought you unto myself." Coming up to Mt. Sinai, a type of Heaven, was a type of the Pre-Trib Rapture on Pentecost.

Not only does the sapphire stand for Heaven as September's birthstone, the sapphire is a type of Heaven in Eze. 1:26. It says, "above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planet's concentric orbital rings) was the likeness of a throne (Christ's), as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Christ) above upon it." Sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear.

The September birthstone, sapphire, meaning Heaven ties in perfectly also. I think the second Rapture will be on Tishri 1, 5776, Monday, SEPTEMBER 14, 2015.

> > that the whole book of Revelation is all about the rapture, which once I looked at it like that it makes sense to me. Well if Revelation 3:7 church of Philadelphia is the pre-trib rapture, and Revelation 3:14 church of Laodiceans is the pre-wrath rapture, who what why where and when are the other churches before them? I can't figure this out. From Revelation 2:1 to 3:6, all of that.

The setting of the miracle play, The Revelation of Jesus Christ, is the day of the first Rapture. That is where Jesus stands as he looks backward and forward to show us things to come after the Rapture. Things that are to come "hereafter" start in Rev. 6. We are brought back to the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture as Jesus signs off in Rev. 22.

In Rev. 1:19, John was told to "Write the things which thou hast seen (things before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture). The messages to all 7 churches are 10 days before the Rapture. The Rapture is in 4:1. All after 4:1's "hereafter" follows the Pre-Trib Rapture.

The messages to the churches are divided into 7 groups. Both history and the present is in view. In general, here is the way I think of these groups.

1. Ephesus is those that have lost their first love from 30 AD to today. Rev. 2:4,5 says, "I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and REPENT, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou REPENT.

2. Smyrna is the persecuted church from 30 AD to today. Rev. 2:10 says, "be thou faithful unto death and I will give thee a crown of life."

3. Pergamos is the church under Imperial favor, from 316 AD to today. Rev. 2:14,16 says, "I have a few things against thee....REPENT; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth."

4. Thyatira is the church where a heirarchy has been imposed upon the members, from about 500 AD to today. Rev. 2:21 says, "I gave her space to REPENT of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery (join) with her into great tribulation, except they REPENT of their deeds".

5. Sardis is from the Reformation in 1517 to today. Rev. 3:2,3 says, "Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and REPENT. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee."

6. Philadelphia is the wise virgins, believers without condemnation, from 30 AD to today. Rev. 3:8 says, "I have set before thee an OPEN DOOR".

7. Laodicea is the foolish virgins from 30 AD to today. Rev. 3:18,19 says, "I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and REPENT."

We should all use I John 1:9. It says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." Then, we are counted as wise virgins with enough of the oil of the Holy Spirit to be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

It looks to me like the Philadelphians, the wise virgins of Mt. 25:1f, will be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture, and all the rest will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. No wonder Rev. 7:9 says of the Tribulation saints, "I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands".

All 7 messages to the churches still apply to the existing Church 10 days before the Pre-Trib Rapture. Each message ends with "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches" (Rev. 3:13). Only one group, the Philadelphians, have the open door set before them (Rev. 3:8). Why? God has no condemnation for them. The door of Heaven opens in Rev. 4:1. That is the first Rapture. The second is for every believer left on Earth. It takes place in Rev. 7.

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ" is written as if it is 10 days before the Pre-Trib Rapture. Put another way, the book is a miracle play. It's setting is 10 days before the Rapture. Rev. 2:10 says, "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation TEN DAYS: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life."

At that time, Jesus looks at the different church groups and tells them what he sees. He gives us enough of their history to identify them, but also brings it up to date. To the church in Pergamos, he says, "Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly (i.e., at the Pre-Trib Rapture), and will fight against them (the Nicolaitans, those that set up a governmental heirarchy for the churches) with the sword of my mouth" (2:16).

The sword of his mouth is seen in the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1:16. The sword seems to be to cut off the foolish virgins. Luke 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (the shortened Tribulation) with the unbelievers." Mt. 24:51 adds, "And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mt. 22:10-14 says, "So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness (i.e., outside the door darkness); there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen."

Right after the Pre-Trib Rapture, Rev. 17:14 says, "they that ARE WITH HIM (Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful." This is at the beginning of the Tribulation when the 10 kings have their crowns (Rev. 13:1,2), but have received no kingdom as yet (Rev. 17:12).

In Rev. 2:20-22, Jesus gives a stern warning to the church in Thyatira, where the hierarchy is the most evident. He says, "Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication (joining together), and to eat things sacrificed unto IDOLS. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will (in the future) cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery (join) with her into GREAT TRIBULATION (the last half of the 7-year Tribulation), except they repent of their deeds."

How close are we to the Pre-Trib Rapture? 1 Cor 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them (Israel) for ensamples (examples): and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (lit., ages) are come."

Martin Luther tacked his 95 theses to the church door in Wittenberg, Germany, in 1517 (Hebrew 5278). In the former age, the Israelites were oppressed by the Egyptians 400 years, starting when Ishmael was born. Afterward, the Israelites came out of Egypt in the Exodus. In this age, the Jews were oppressed by the Ottoman Turks 400 years, from 5278 (1517) to 5678 (our 1917). The modern Exodus started in 1917.

In OT times, it was 430 years from Abraham's call to the Exodus. In our times, 5278 (1517) plus 430 equals 5708 (1948), when Israel became a nation.

In OT times, it was 450 years from the division of Canaan to king Saul. That was the period of the judges. In our times, 5278 plus 450 equals 5728 (1967), when Israel fought the Six-Day War. It was the Sign of the End of the Ages.

In OT times, the Israelites went into the Promised Land after 40 years in the desert. In our days, 5728 plus 40 equals 5768 (2007/2008). Will we go into our Promised Land in 5768? It starts with the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 13, 2007.

In OT times, it was 490 years from the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem to finish the transgression and anoint the Most Holy. In our times, 5278 plus 490 years is 5768 (2007/2008). I'm sure hoping for the Rapture in the spring of 2008.

Gen 17:17 says, "Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is NINETY years old, bear?"

In OT times, Sarah was 90 when Isaac was born. In our times, 5678 (1917) plus 90 also equals 5768 (2007/2008). It starts Tishri 1, September 13, 2007. This is like icing on the cake. I think we are finally getting close to the Rapture. I'm hoping for next Pentecost, June 9 and 10, 2008.

To the Jews, the first trump sounds on Pentecost. and the last trump sounds on the Feast of Trumpets. That sounds like the first and last trump Raptures will be on those days. Agape

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