Pro and Con 137, Uploaded 6-24-98
Incoming Email Just a word of encouragement to one who is longsuffering and steadfast in the Lords work. Yes I call it the Lords work even though many would call it a waste of time when we could have been at a church choir practice or deacons meeting. There are a few of us in ---- that are anxiously awaiting the soon return of the Lord for His own. Amidst the scoffers, unsaved, and suprisingly even worse the saved. They say; nothing is going to happen! They say with passive indifference, So what! Who cares! It is bad enough to hear it from the unsaved but the real hurt is to hear the same thing from the mouths of the redeemed. My family, wife and ten children were awakened in 1988 with the message of Edgar Whisenant and his now famous book 88 Reasons. We were on fire for 4 months before the date. When it passed without any celestial encounter, without doubt we were somewhat gloomy. But the Lords spirt told us to be steadfast. Edgar came out with a second book calling for the rapture in possibly 1989 and maybe 1990-1995.
Again I took off of work went to various parks on the day, Rosh- Hash-Ana and expected to be flying in the clouds. Again a no-show. We never heard from Edgar again but he did do something for me. After I sent him a letter of encouragement, he sent me a copy of all his study notes. With great excitement I plunged head long into research to find the key to His return.
To all out there in cyber space I want to inpart these important words. I have been living on th edge for over ten years and it has been the most exciting time of my life. The surge of power given by the Holy Spirit to witness is overpowering. The joy of anticipation of a new rapture date, and the quiet assurance from the Lord to trust in Him when it does not occur renews my strength.
So, the Rapture didn't happen! So What! Just think how really close we must be now! Be a watchman on the wall. Gather other believers together who believe the same way as you do. Share new information with them and the unsaved. Stay excited for Jesus. And most of all trust in His timing. The Lord is at the Door, don't fall asleep with apathy. Stay in there Marilyn!
As a comment from one of my unsaved friends hits to the core of the issue; ONE OF THESE DATES OF YOURS IS GOING TO HIT, (his name) AND IT ONLY TAKES ONE!!!!
My reply I'm in. I think it is close. I think it is the wheat harvest. I think we are being tested. I'm watching and waiting patiently for our days of testing to end. Christ was tested 40 days, and we are the Body of Christ. I'm hoping that our testing will not exceed 40 days, but if it does, I'm still in there watching and waiting.
Incoming Email I felt compelled to write something after reading all those pros and cons. You have certainly done a good job in waking people up, and most of us agree on that. Im not so sure though on "date setting" itself, whether its a good idea or not. It has its advantages and disadvantages like most things in life.
One of the points that came to my mind that surprisingly hasn't been picked up by many people is; that Jesus plainly told us repeatedly through His parables, that the servants (us) would NOT know the day or hour, that He would come at an hour that we do NOT expect.
If He came at an obvious date, then everyone will try to be ready, hence it will be impossible to separate the faithful from the unfaithful or the foolish from the wise or laodiceans from the philadelphians.
Im certain that everyone who is in close communion with the Lord Jesus knows that the day is very near. You can also tell from the events around the world, i.e. the Euro Dollar, Y2K or the Millennium bug, the attempt to rebuild the temple in Israel, the frantic peace efforts between the Arabs and the Jews, the frightening decline of morals and ethics all over the world etc.
So in conclusion I believe we would be wise to just simply follow the bible. That is, to be ready and keep watching, to set our life in order by God's grace so we can say with John, "come Lord Jesus".
My reply Amen to that last part, be ready and keep watching. This may be the most important time since we first believed.
As for a wake-up call, what do you think it would take to wake some people up? The doctrine of imminency? that it could happen at any time, maybe today, maybe a 100 years from today? I think Mt. 24:33 in the Berkeley Version does a better job. It says, "He is so near, He is at the door." That brings it down to the here and now. The Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10). NOW is when having done all, we should STAND.
Jesus' messages to the seven churches sketch their history, but apply to TODAY. He viewed them from the vantage point of the Rapture, when it is "at hand." We should read them with new eyes and pay attention to what they say. He is talking to us--today. The door is already OPEN (Rev. 3:8). All that is left is his "Come up hither."
When that happens, the Philadelphians (which means brotherly love and for whom Christ had no words of condemnation) will go through the door. the Laodiceans (which means people of judgment) will face a closed door (Rev. 3:20). They are not lost, but temporarily left for some chastening (Rev. 3:19) to spur them to wash their robes in the blood of Christ (Rev. 7:14).
I am a Roman Catholic who believes in a Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. I just picked up a copy of the "Saint Joseph Guide for Christian Prayer (The Litergy of the Hours) - 1998." Following Pentecost Sunday (May 31, 1998), our liturgy progresses through thirty-three "Sundays in Ordinary Time", the thirty-third Sunday being November 15, 1998, followed by the Sunday of "Christ the King" on November 22, 1998, followed by the "First Sunday of Advent" on November 29, 1998.
The point of all of this is that years ago, the "Sundays in Ordinary Time" (as they are called today) were called the "First, Second, Third, etc. Sunday after Pentecost." Hence, the spiritual "season" of Pentecost actually extends into late November. What this means (at least to me) is that if the Rapture takes place at any time between now and late November (even if it occurs on Rosh Hashana), it will still be a Pentecost Rapture and you will be 100% correct! Pentecost Sunday (March 31, 1998) was simply the first day of the Pentecost spiritual season.
With all due respect to the spring and fall Jewish Feasts and their inherent spiritual significance for Jews and Gentiles alike, the first Rapture is essentially a Church event and must therefore be connected with the Church "season" which is the "season" of Pentecost.
My reply Thank you for this interesting information.
Incoming Email I checked Stewarton, it says Tamuz (June/July) is the end of the wheat harvest and the first figs!
What are you thinking about as to the rapture, I have been packed for sometime amd certainly wish my transportation would get here!!!
My reply Thanks. I just happened to think that we are the Body of Christ and Christ was tested 40 days. It could apply to us. So Tamuz fits. It ends July 23.
keep up the work of the Lord for we also will receive a crown for watching for the coming of our Lord. May God bless you
Incoming Email "IT'S NOT OVER TILL IT'S OVER"!
MARILYN--LAST NIGHT AS I DID MORE STUDY ON WHAT HAS HAPPENED, SEVERAL THINGS THAT I NEVER "SAW BEFORE" BECAME CLEAR.PLEASE NOTICE THE FOLLOWING:
1) IN JEREMIAH 5:24 IT SAYS "...GOD, WHO GIVES THE ..LATTER (SPRING) RAIN IN HIS SEASON, WHO RESERVES AND KEEPS FOR US THE APPOINTED WEEKS OF THE HARVEST" AMP. VERSION. NOTICE THAT THIS VERSE MENTIONS "HIS" SEASON I.E. A PARTICULAR SEASON. IT ALSO MENTIONS "THE APPOINTED WEEKS" OF THE HARVEST--THAT ARE KEPT AND RESERVED FOR US.
2)NOTICE NUMBERS 9:2 " LET THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL ALSO KEEP THE PASSOVER AT HIS APPOINTED SEASON".VERSE 7 ALSO SPEAKS OF "THE LORD IN HIS APPOINTED SEASON..."--I.E. THE PASSOVER SEASON.
3)EXODUS13:10 IN SPEAKING OF KEEPING OF THE PASOVER/UNLEAVENED BREAD FESTIVALS SAYS "YOU SHALL THEREFORE KEEP THIS ORDINANCE IN HIS SEASON FROM YEAR TO YEAR." AGAIN--IT REFERS TO THIS TIME AS "HIS SEASON". WHY IS THIS PASSOVER SEASON CALLED "HIS SEASON"? AND, WHY IN JER. 5:24 DOES IT MENTION IN THE SAME VERSE "HIS SEASON" AND "THE APPOINTED WEEKS OF THE HARVEST" SEEMING TO IDENTIFY THEM AS BEING IN THE SAME TIME PERIOD?? DOES GOD KNOW HOW MANY SEASONS THERE ARE? I GUESS SO SINCE HE CREATED THEM. GENESIS 8:22 MENTIONS THE FOUR SEASONS ..."SEEDTIME (FALL), WINTER, HARVEST(SPRING), AND SUMMER".
I NOW BELIEVE THAT THE PASSOVER SEASON IS "HIS SEASON" AND THE "APPOINTED WEEKS OF THE HARVEST " FOR THE CHURCH. AS YOU HAVE RIGHTLY POINTED OUT THE CLUES GIVEN IN THE SONG OF SOL. POINT TO A SPRING RAPTURE--RE THE FIGS AND EARLY GRAPES. I BELIEVE IT IS GOD'S APPOINTED SEASON TO RAPTURE THE CHURCH. I BELIEVE THE PROPHETIC "WORDS" GIVEN OVER THE PAST 3 WEEKS ARE ACCURATE. I BELIEVE THAT OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THOSE WORDS HAS BEEN LIMITED. WE HAVE THOUGHT THAT PENTECOST WAS THE END OF THE WHEAT HARVEST AND THE DATE OF THE RAPTURE BECAUSE OF THE FIRST BIRTH OF THE EARLY CHURCH ON THAT DAY. BUT, LOOK AT EXODUS 34:22 " AND YOU SHALL OBSERVE THE FEAST OF WEEKS, OF THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THE WHEAT HARVEST...". NOTICE IT CALLS PENTECOST THE "FIRSTFRUITS" OF THE WHEAT HARVEST! WHY? BECAUSE ALTHOUGH IT WAS DURING THE SPRING HARVEST, THERE WAS MORE WHEAT TO HARVEST! THAT IS ALMOST THE DEFINITION OF "FIRSTFRUITS"--THERE IS MORE TO COME. NOTICE ALSO EXODUS 23:16 "AND THE FEAST OF HARVEST, THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THY LABOURS..." PENTECOST BEING THE FIRSTFRUITS WAS A TOKEN OF THE FINAL HARVEST OF THE WHEAT THAT WAS STILL GOING ON! ALSO SCRIPTURE REFERS TO PENTECOST AS "THE DAY OF FIRSTFRUITS". IN NUMBERS 28:26.
DO YOU NOW BEGIN TO "SEE" WHY THE FIRST BIRTH OF THE CHURCH IN 30 A.D. WAS ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST--THE DAY OF FIRSTFRUITS?!! BECAUSE IT WAS THE FIRSTFRUITS OF WHAT WAS TO COME LATER---AT THE END OF THE HARVEST WHEN THE REST OF THE WHEAT-CHURCH- IS HARVESTED!! THAT TIME IS THE END OF THE CURRENT SEASON. IT IS WHEN THE REST OF THE CHURCH IS HARVESTED IN OUR DAY --NOW AT THE END!!
NOW WHAT ABOUT THE START AND END OF THE SEASON--THE APPOINTED SEASON. THE REVELL BIBLE DICTIONARY RE THE SUBJECT OF "WHEAT" SAYS ON PG.1021 "WHEAT WAS HARVESTED IN PALESTINE APRIL THROUGH JUNE". THE START OF THE SEASON I BELIEVE IS NISAN 1--THIS YEAR WHICH WAS ON MARCH 29TH. I BELIEVE THIS BECAUSE NISAN ALSO IS THE TIME OF THE SPRING RAIN STARTING. SINCE THERE ARE FOUR SEASONS IN THE YEAR AND 52 WEEKS IN A YEAR ---EACH SEASON WOULD BE 13 WEEKS LONG.52/4=13 WEEKS FOR EACH SEASON. COUNT 13 WEEKS FROM SUNDAY MARCH 29TH (NISAN 1) AND YOU COME TO SUNDAY JUNE 28TH!! IT IS EXACTLY A 13 WEEK PERIOD. IT MARKS THE END OF THE SEASON! ALSO NOTICE THAT RE THE 10 WEEKS/DAYS/LORD'S DAYS THE FOLLOWING:IF APRIL 19TH WAS THE FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS-PICTURING THE ASCENSION OF JESUS-- THEN COUNTING 10 LORD'S DAYS WOULD ARRIVE AT JUNE 21---BUT---JUNE 21 BEING A LORD'S DAY WOULD "INCLUDE" THE FOLLOWING DAYS OF THE WEEK! THIS MAKES THE VERY NEXT DAY SUNDAY JUNE 28TH!! GO BACK AND COUNT IT FOR YOURSELF TO KNOW THIS. START WITH SUNDAY APRIL 19TH AND COUNT 10 FULL WEEKS. STOP. LOOK ON YOUR CALENDAR AND YOU HAVE ARRIVED AT SUNDAY JUNE 28TH.
LET'S NOT LOSE OUR CONFIDENCE IN WHAT GOD HAS BEEN REVEALING! YES, WE HAVE HAD LIMITED UNDERSTANDING OF THE "WORDS" BUT GOD EXPECTS US TO KEEP SEEKING THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING.
REMEMBER THE WAY OF THE RIGHTEOUS IS AS THE LIGHT THAT SHINES BRIGHTER AND BRIGHTER UNTO THE PERFECT DAY! DON'T GO TO SLEEP NOW. THE SEASON IS NOT QUITE YET FULFILLED. WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN PENTECOST WAS ON JUNE 7TH. WE " WENT AGAIN" ON JUNE 14TH. WE "WENT AGAIN" ON JUNE 21ST. THE "WORD" SAID "GO AGAIN THE THIRD TIME". I BELIEVE THE THIRD TIME WILL BE JUNE 28TH. GOD BLESS YOU.
P.S. EACH SEASON THAT GOD MADE WOULD HAVE TO BE 13 WEEKS LONG. HE IS A GOD OF EXACTNESS. HE DOES ALL THINGS WELL!!
Incoming Email Encouragement from a BRO'N'CHRIST
hope things are well with you... hang in there!! We love you and your dedication... just a quick note: right after the 21st went by, after I asked Him for some guidance, the Lord led me to a passage in the WORD... It basically stated "I delay my coming as to enjoy the praises of My people"... I apologize I can't find the exact scripture reference but that's exactly where He led me... my point is, we're created for two reasons according to the WORD; for His pleasure and purpose... regardless of His return, and HE WILL RETURN, we should praise HIM for all He's done and all He's going to do... He, the Lord Jesus Christ, has a PURPOSE in all of the excitement around His coming... I'm glad to know we've got people out there TRYING to RIGHTLY DIVIDE the WORD and base it precept-upon-precept (2) and line-upon-line (2).... keep up the good work and don't let the SCOFFERS get you down; He's using this as an opportunity to tell others about Him and His wonderful plan of redemption for the WORLD... think of it this way: its a ministry to WAKE-UP those and also make the scoffers accountable...
the Holy Spirit has impressed upon me this: we're not only commissioned to preach the GOSPEL to help SAVE the lost, but also to preach the TRUTH to hold people ACCOUNTABLE... cause in that day of the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT, scoffers will not be able to SAY: "I didn't know the truth"... of course, the Lord will flash them back to your Web Page and other personal encounters when the TRUTH was told to them... how sad for the lost... I wish all would come to know the truth...
keep up the good work.... in His love - CHRIST RULES!! and WILL come again soon!!
Incoming Email I just wanted to write to you again, I will tell you that you have given me more to think about than any church or other person! It has been wonderful to go to your site every day and see what is new. The pros and cons have ansered many of my own questions and sparked my thoughts. It has made me get up off my rear and get to looking for God. We get to comfortable just not doing nothing. I have realized just what is important in life and am trying to let all my family and freinds see just what is important. We have cleaned house , literlally, and given to charity and tried to help one another out in any way we can. Do you see what all this means? It means because of you and your site, and God, that I have tried to clean up the attic so to speak. (heehhe)
Well so far the dates have not been on the mark , but well I am ready and that is all that matters. Thank you for working hard for the sake of others. That is a very wonderful thing. Well I shall be looking up for as long as it takes.
You keep your head up and so will I , *smile* see you soon , I hope, lots of love
Incoming Email As a follow up to my E-Mail yesterday, I wonder if Enoch and Elijah had prior of their "rapture". I think they did and I will be researching tonight for some Scriptures to confirm. Noah certainly knew of his "rapture", but Lot had to be rescued at the last possilbe moment, but he too had a little prior knowledge. I believe - based on Mt 25 parable - that we WILL have prior knowledge, but we probably won't know the exact day or hour, but there will be NO DOUBT as to the IMMEDIATE return of our Lord. I will not speculate too much, but angels were involved in Lot's rescue, and the Lord Himself instructed Noah.
I believe that the supernatural event will wake the virgins worldwide, and the results will follow the parable. Christ is King, Priest and Lord
My reply Elijah knew ahead of time. The Bible doesn't record Enoch knowing, but the Book of Enoch does. As you said, Noah did.
Incoming Email 10th of Av
I just read the email you posted with the comment about the 10th of Av.... and I wanted to make a comment or two....firstly, it is on a Sunday. :) Secondly, it is the date when the temple was destroyed TWICE, since we are the temple could it be that it will be the day we are REMOVED? It would be the THIRD time that something concerning the temple occured on the 10th of Av. Hosea 6:2 says "After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will RAISE US UP and we shall live in his sight". Just a thought. Also, about all the naysayers, funny all the time Bob Ross spends trying to prove that you are a false prophet. I always thought that a prophet, false or otherwise, prefaced his words with Thus saith the Lord, or some other indicator that he is speaking in the place of God. I don't recall ever hearing you do that. So, now it seems that these men's standards are that anything another Christian says is subject to branding them a false prophet if it doesn't come to pass. I was reading in Romans the other day, Paul tells the Romans that he will come to them after he goes to Spain. Only one thing, as far as I know he never got to Spain. Does this make him a false prophet too? I think not. The other point I would like to bring up regarding "your mistake" is that IF you were at fault as these men believe, why do they not heed Galatians 6:1, which states plainly that if a brother be overtaken in a fault they which are spiritual should restore such a one in a spirit of meekness...I see no such spirit in these men. Your spirit however is meek, gentle, and bearing much fruit. You are in our prayers. We are watching, and praying, and listening for that trumpet! In His love
Incoming Email I read this this morning in James Chapter 5: 7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.
I feel the Holy Spirit was telling me to send it to you and hope it blesses you. God Bless You!! In His love
My reply Thanks. That is exactly what I think we should do, "Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord." I feel that he is nigh, like we are in the home stretch. The early, or former, rain starts in Tishri. The latter rain starts in Nisan. That is already past. How long can it be?
Incoming Email Thank You.
I just had to say THANK YOU! for all your hard work and effort you've put into Bible study. It is just awesome! You dug out a lot of information that the rest of us would probably never have discovered even with a lifetime of self-study. You've proven beyond any doubt that the Lord's return is very close now. I know your efforts have served as a "wake up and smell the coffee" warning for many,especially me. If it weren't for you I most likely would still be blindly going through my life just putting forth nominal effort to tell people about Jesus. Not any more though! Of course, I feel disappointed that the Lord didn't return on the dates you determined and I know you do too, but I'm not discouraged, because you've shown us that He's nearer now than any of us thought. Thanks again! After the Rapture I'll thank you in person. See you soon.
Incoming Email FWD: Red Heifer ready in August, The Complex event of Israel's Parah Adumah
By Chet Lockett, Weekend News Today
08/13/97 - It has taken some time to cut through the morass and misinformation and conjecture regarding the Kosher qualification of Melody. The source of the following information is directly from Rabbi Ariel [who IS the Temple Institute and supreme leading authority] and Rabbi Schorr the caretaker of Melody and also a major leading authority on Melody according to rabbi Ariel. In the future these two men will be the foundation of any reports regarding Melody [and of course the Mishnah], as they should be for you.
For accuracy of information - any and all news items you have regarding Melody where rabbi Ariel and rabbi Schorr are quoted you may regard that report as "the highest" authority. You will find their quotes on Melody initially when the news of her appeared. They were buried in the morass; their quotes overshadowed by the sensationalism and fervor of the miracle birth of Melody.
The miracle birth of Melody in no way affects the efforts of Clyde Lott, rabbi Chiam Richman, and "Daisy", the first Red Heifer created outside Israel.
Melody is Kosher and qualified as of this moment as a candidate for the red heifer sacrifice. She has been qualified since birth. The white hairs of her tail protrude from red roots qualifying her according to Rabbi Ariel, Rabbi Schorr [and the Mishnah]. The white coloration in her skin under her eye is ringworm which is treatable with medication leaving her with no spot or blemish and qualified [as she has always been]. Melody is of a reddish brown color which these rabbi's say is acceptable. Melody was born August 1996 [Elul 5756]. Presently melody is qualified and barring any unforeseen disqualification's Melody will be ready for sacrifice August 1998 [Elul 5758]. Melody's parents are a holstein cow and a dun bull [and a miracle to produce a red calf]. Rabbi Ariel has found melody in her current stage of development to meet all required qualifications as a red heifer calf. When she is three years of age august 1998 [Elul 5758] she will at that time be a full grown red heifer. She now weighs approximately 700-800 pounds. Her full weight potential is over 1500 pounds. Melody's birth is seen by Rabbi Ariel and Rabbi Schorr [as well as other] as a miracle and a sign to began temple service [Avodah] [and of Daniel] and to began rebuilding the Third Temple.
Points of Biblical interest regarding Melody [Numbers 19 and Mishnah Parah]:
She is currently still a calf and not a full grown Parah Adumah or red heifer.
[A miracle] Elul 24 according to Haggai 1:15 is the day of her sacrifice. The Parah Adumah has not been seen in Israel for over 1900 years. Melody has the potential of being the TENTH sacrificed in Israel since Moses who by G-D's Command initiated the first Purification ceremony of the Red Heifer. Rabban Maimonides, who codified the Torah, prophesied that the Messiah would sacrifice the tenth PA in human history [at his coming]. Ezra 3:6 a continuation of Haggai and the Temple bulding explains that six days after Elul 24 which is Tishri 1 [Rosh Hashanah and Messiah's Coronation] the Avodah or Temple Services will began. Elul 5758 to Tishri 1, 5759 is six days. MELODY CURENTLY HAS THE POTENTIAL OF BEING THE RED HEIFER CANDIDATE NEXT YEAR [ELUL 5758 OR AUGUST 1998].
The Avodah will be small intially. Initially, the Temple is not required only the Alter [Ezra 3:1-6] and the officiating preisthood which will be minimal. I am strongly led to believe that the officiating priesthood "quite possibly exists" as we speak. This validates previous reliable reports.
Many non-Jews and Christianity have many problems with Ritual Purification. Most commonly due to ignorance of the Ways of G-D. Ritual Purification does not make one Righteous. Righteousness is obtained only through Faith in Yeshua HaMasiach [Jesus Christ]. Why do we ritually purify ourselves with the ashes of the red heifer? First, because G-D said to do it. "It [ritual purification] spiritually aids us in conveying a message of what has occurred in our lives. It does not make one clean from death, it is a ceremony that illustrates cleanliness from death. We are all ritually unclean having what is called "Corpse Uncleanliness" [Joesph Good, 1997].
Was Yeshua unclean? Yes! From time to time He touch corpes. Is uncleanliness sin? No! Yeshua never sinned. Uncleanliness is not sin!
However, G-D demands and commands, therfore, that; (1) we [Jew and Gentile] must be ritually clean before we [Jew and Gentile] can WORSHIP G-D at the Temple in Jerusalem [and spiritually in the Heavenly Jerusalem in Glorified bodies]; (2) Certainly a priesthood has to be ritually clean before they can minister in the Temple in Jerusalem; (3) The workmen must be ritually clean before they can build the Temple in Jerusalem. THE PHYSICAL RITUAL OF PURIFICATION IS THE G-D COMMANDED REHERSAL FOR SPIRITUAL PURIFICATION REQUIRED TO BE IN THE PRESENCE OF EL SHADDAI [ALMIGHTY G-D] HIMSELF. G-D WILL NOT ACCEPT ANYTHING LESS. WE [ARE COMMANDED TO] WORSHIP G-D "IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH". RITUAL PURIFICATION COMMANDED BY G-D IS THE OBEDIENT PHYSICAL HUMAN EXPRESSION OF THE ETERNALLY SPIRITUAL EXPRESSION. G-D IS PURE [CLEAN] SPIRIT, James 1:26,27.
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