Pro and Con 1372

Posted 12-4-07

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Year of the Flood

Here is an overlooked fact about biblical chronology.

>> the Flood was in 1656 AH. Most major chronologers agree on this date.

This is a good test, as you put it, to quickly check a chronology. This year confirms that the chronologer has used the bible for the genealogy of Adam through Noah, but when we consider the Question of how old the world was on Adamís first birthday, We find the answer is 1 year and 5days old.

By using this year as the flood year the chronologer is actually saying that Adam became 2 years old at the end of the first year of the world.

Adam wasnít one year old for a whole year after he was formed.

We know that Adam was formed on the 6th day after GOD began creating the physical universe.

Therefore, we know a portion of one year existed prior to the first year of Adamís life.

Man measures time by counting the earthís rotations and orbits around the sun. We therefore have a record of 5 days that are a portion of one earth orbit around the sun, a year, before the first year of Adamís life. Ancient Jewish tradition has it that on this year the clock was ticking but only God could hear it.

If we are looking for the exact year of the flood, shouldn't we start on the correct earth rotation and orbit of the sun.

Even Ussher doing it ďthe slow pains-taking-wayĒ overlooked this fact of logic and biblical truth. Ussher had a preconceived creation date because he had decided that Jesus was born in 4 BC and that the world was created 4000 years earlier so, abracadabra, 4004 BC. He used those Gordon Knots, the tricky areas you mentioned, to make the years fit his model. Joseph Scaliger was much more precise in his calculations and didnít have a preconceived time frame. He concluded the world was formed in 3949 BC. Every chronology I have ever seen starts with Adam being one year old when he was formed.

The year of the Flood was 1658 AH (year of man), or 1657 AH if you go strictly by Adamís age omitting the first 5 days of creation. I am convinced that we should start at the beginning including the first 5 days because Adam was formed on the first Jubilee and died on the sabbatical year 930 years later (931/7=133). The years divide evenly by 7. The first 5 days of creation would be in a Sabbatical year. These are the first appointed times of gods creative work in the formation of the universe. Adam was formed in 3942 BC and the flood occurred in 2286 BC. True this adds up to 1656 years but remember Adamís first year he was technically 0 years old.

I respect your 4044 BC creation because I know you have paid the price of countless hours of study. I still think you are two Jubilees off, but I wasn't there either and we will know soon enough when our Lord returns. I agree that your website has given us all a platform for studying the deeper truths of Prophecy; Thanks.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

> > Adam wasnít one year old for a whole year after he was formed.

That is the way we think today. However, it is my understanding that the Hebrews called a child one year old during his/her entire first year. Extrapolating that backward (as we do the Hebrew Calendar), Adam, a man, not a child, would be called one during his entire 1st year of existence and two during his entire 2nd year.

I've said all along that the easiest mistake to make is one year.

I remember that Anstey said that Adam was created in the zero year. His creation could have been finished just before 6 PM, when the Sabbath day of God's rest began. I think this "kosmos," order of things, started to operate as it does today on that Sabbath day, Tishri 1, when God rested.

This will tie in when the Millennium, which God called "my rest" also starts on Tishri 1.

> > We know that Adam was formed on the 6th day after GOD began creating the physical universe.

I believe in the gap theory. I think the physical universe was already present, but Earth needed refreshing, or renovating. Astronomers tell us that some things they see out in space have been there a long time or their light would not be reaching us now. I think the Earth has been here longer than 6000 years too. Below is why I think that.

In Genesis 1:2, the word "hayah" was used. In the KJV, it is translated "was." The "earth WAS without form (tohu) and void (bohu)."

When "hayah" is used, it denotes change. When it is not used, there is no change, and it is to be understood, and the reader is to supply "was."

I think the 2nd verse should be translated using "became." The earth BECAME without form (tohu, desolation of surface, waste) and void (bohu). Isa 45:18 says, "For thus saith the LORD that created (bara) the heavens; God himself that formed (yatsar, squeezed into shape) the earth and made (asah) it; he hath established it, he created (bara) it NOT in vain (tohu, desolation of surface, adverbally in vain), he formed (yatsar, squeezed into shape) it to be inhabited".

The Earth became waste, desolate, and covered with water, probably because of an asteroid impact. I think a piece of Satan's exploded planet Rahab (now our Asteroid Belt) hit Earth. Mars has a big black scar where it was hit by a piece. Earth at that time might have been as desolate as Mars is now, but the land was all underwater.

Verses 9 and 10 say, "God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."

I think an asteroid, probably a piece of the planet Rahab, hit Earth and splashed the material that became the Moon out of the Pacific Basin. Those same materials, less the volatile ones that would have boiled off from the heat, are found on the Moon. Lots of glass beads formed by intense heat are also found on the cold Moon. Psa 89:10 says, "Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm." I think God's enemies were Satan and his fallen angels.

Something similar will happen on the Day of God's Wrath. Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here (Babylon)? and whom hast thou here (the False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (at Babylon), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high (on Wormwood), and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (asteroid)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. HE WILL SURELY VIOLENTLY TURN AND TOSS THEE LIKE A BALL INTO A LARGE COUNTRY (not tiny Israel): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Rev 8:8-11 says, "the second angel sounded, and as it were a GREAT MOUNTAIN BURNING WITH FIRE was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean): and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed. And the third angel sounded, and THERE FELL A GREAT STAR (aster) FROM HEAVEN, BURNING AS IT WERE A LAMP, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; And THE NAME OF THE STAR IS CALLED WORMWOOD: and the third part of the waters became wormwood (bitter); and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter."

When this happens, I think it will form the Lake of Fire.

There is a connection between Rahab and Babylon. Psa 87:4 says, "I will make mention of Rahab and Babylon to them that know me".

Psa 89:8-11 says, "O LORD God of hosts, who is a strong LORD like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee? Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. THOU HAST BROKEN RAHAB IN PIECES, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them."

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (i.e., the LORD of hosts, the Redeemer, Jesus Christ; Isa. 44:6; 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (i.e., Satan)?"

In my chronology, I may not have every date correct, but I did the best I could. I ran as many double checks as I could. Dan 9:26 says, "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off (karath, killed). I think my 30 AD is correct. Herod began the temple construction in 19/20 BC. The 46th year was 27 AD, the first Passover of Jesus' ministry.

I'm thankful that I finally figured out, with your help, that 27 AD was the last Sabbatical Year in the Jubilee cycle, and that 28 AD was the Jubilee. Jesus announced the coming Jubilee Year when he read Isa. 61:1.2 in the synagogue in Nazareth on the Day of Atonement in 27 AD. We can all learn from each other. It seems that the Lord helps different ones understand certain things. When we put them together, we can all profit. Agape

Incoming e-mail from CAPS, Re: IT WILL BE IN 08 AND WILL NOT BE LATE !!!

Brethren, I am not a prophet nor the son of a prophet.....but I MUST SHARE WHAT I HAVE BEEN GIVEN.

Today, the day after Thanksgiving, REVELATION KNOWLEDGE has started to flow.

I knew this before, but it came out of my spirit man today with a mighty anointing and force.

Here is what I ''saw'' concerning the 2 comings of Jesus to the nation of Israel. It confirms that Jesus came and is coming to Israel at the time of the Former and Latter rains......that is in the Early Spring around start of Nisan and in Tishri in the Fall.

It is my feeling that when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey in Nisan is WHEN HE WAS PRESENTED AS KING TO ISRAEL the FIRST TIME. Further, I feel the SECOND COMING IN POWER will be at the time of the FALL FEASTS......the COMING TO ISRAEL.

Please see Pro and Con 1369 for further discussion of this at

It does indeed appear CLEAR that the 2 comings to Israel are at the Former and Latter Rains.....or at the time of Passover and then the Fall Feasts.

What does this leave? It leaves PENTECOST!!!!!

And a careful reader of the Scriptures will know that MOST TIMING ELEMENTS ARE GIVEN for the nation of Israel while any timing factors for the church are more ''HIDDEN''!!!!!!

Hosea chapter 6 mentions the comings at the time of the Former and Latter rains to the NATION of Israel, and is a prime example of this.

With this background in mind, now look at this interesting fact.

In the book of James we read this:

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the EARLY and LATTER rain. 8 Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.

In reading these verses it seems to clearly associate the ''coming of the Lord" with the Early and Latter rains.


In James 1:1 it tells TO WHOM it was written:

''James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, TO the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.''

This book was written TO the 12 tribes of Israel !! No wonder James mentions the Early and Latter rains being associated with the ''coming of the Lord''........ TO ISRAEL !!!!!!!!!

(It is of course noted that James and all NT books are for the Christian believer, but looking at this from a purely prophetic prospective, this book is written to the 12 tribes of the Nation of Israel !!).

Again, just as in Hosea 6 that is written to the nation of Israel as well........we now have a Double Witness that the comings of the Lord in the Former and Latter Rains are for the nation of Israel!!!!!!


No wonder Jeremiah writes: (see Jer. 5:24)

''Neither say they in their (the nation of Israel's!!) heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season, (But?) he reserveth unto us (the Church?) the appointed weeks of the harvest (meaning Pentecost!!).

Please note again that this seems to set up TWO different Times or Seasons. One is the Former and Latter Rain for the NATION OF ISRAEL........but then there seems to be a Distinction regarding the ''appointed weeks of the harvest''........WHICH CLEARLY IS A REFERENCE TO PENTECOST AND THE HARVEST OF THE CHURCH!!!!!

In discussing this with my brother a Word seemed to come forth:



In 1998 , September , I was driving through THE WOODLANDS , TEXAS listening to Christian Radio . I simply ask the Lord , "When are you going to return , Lord?" Kept driving , forgot about question , pulled into a Taco Bell for lunch . I ordered , and approached the cashier's window to pay . The cashier was a young man about 16 years old, he said , " Yes , I agree ...I study Bible Propehecy ..Jesus is coming around 2008 !!" I said , WHAT did you say ?" He replied , "There is a missionary evangelist in back of you ; she and I are talking about the Rapture. "

the answer was a long time off in 1998 , so I was glad for an answer BUT DISAPPOINTED AT THE SAME TIME ! Cried for a while !!
many blessings as you WATCH , bb

My reply


I sure hope that is correct. I'm expecting Jesus next Pentecost too. We shouldn't forget that the Jewish Sabbatical Year 5768 has already begun. It started September 13, 2007.

Thanks for reminding me of Jer. 5:24. I agree that it points to a Pentecost Rapture. Pentecost is also called the feast of weeks, because they have to count off 7 weeks, then the 50th day is Pentecost. Jer. 5:24 says, "Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former (sprinkling rain beginning Tishri 1) and the latter (gathered rain beginning Nisan 1), in his (Jesus') season: HE RESERVETH UNTO US THE APPOINTED WEEKS OF THE HARVEST" (Pentecost).

The sprinkling rain beginning Tishri 1, 1st day of the civil year, represents the First Advent. The gathered rain beginning Nisan 1, 1st day of both the Regnal and Sacred Years, represents the Second Advent.

Jesus was "about thirty years of age" (Luke 3:23) on Tishri 10, the Day of Atonement, when he announced the Jubilee Year. At that time, he read Isa. 61:1,2.

Luke 4:16-21 tells us about that. It says, "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day (Tishri 10, Day of Atonement in 27 AD), and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord (the Jubilee Year that would start on the following Nisan 1). And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day (Tishri 10, the Day of Atonement) is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

Jesus was conceived at Hanukkah and born Tishri 1, 6 months after John the Baptist was born near Passover. Therefore, he had been 30 for 10 days on Tishri 10 in 27 AD. He was about 30 when he announced the coming Jubilee Year.

Eze 29:17 And it came to pass in the seven and twentieth year, in the first month (Nisan 1), in the first day of the month, the word of the LORD came unto me."

This is Nisan 1, because Eze 45:18, 21,21 says, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month (Nisan 1), thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary...In the first month, in the fourteenth day of the month, ye shall have the PASSOVER" (Nisan 14).

Then Eze 29:21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (KING) of the house of Israel (Jesus) to BUD FORTH, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Word of the Lord) IN THE MIDST OF THEM; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

Psalm 132:13-18 says of that day, "the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation. THIS IS MY REST FOR EVER: HERE WILL I DWELL; for I have desired it. I will abundantly bless her provision: I will satisfy her poor with bread. I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and HER SAINTS SHALL SHOUT ALOUD FOR JOY. There will I make the horn (king) of David (Jesus) to BUD (ON NISAN 1): I have ordained a lamp for mine anointed (Jesus Christ). His enemies will I clothe with shame: but upon himself shall his CROWN flourish."

> > It is my feeling that when Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a donkey in Nisan is WHEN HE WAS PRESENTED AS KING TO ISRAEL the FIRST TIME. Further, I feel the SECOND COMING IN POWER will be at the time of the FALL FEASTS......the COMING TO ISRAEL.

Jesus presented himself as king on Palm Sunday, but he was rejected. At the Second Advent, he will be accepted. He will have saved Israel from Gog's army 7 months earlier. He will return in glory. Mt 25:31 says, "the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory". He didn't sit upon the throne of his glory the first time.

I think the First Coming, Jesus' birth, was Tishri 1, first day of the Civil Year, time of the sprinkling rain, and the Second Coming will be on Nisan 1, time of the gathered rain, the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year. Regnal because he is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords. At the Second Advent, Rev 19:16 says, "he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

I think Jesus will be crowned on Tishri 1 in Heaven and officially take office on Earth on the following Nisan 1. Thus Jesus will be inaugurated on the same day all the other Hebrew kings officially took office.

According to Eze. 39:12-14, there has to be 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:18-20), the Day of the Lord when Jesus is crowned in Heaven, and his coming to earth. The Day of God's Wrath is Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets. Nisan 1 is 7 months later in a Leap Year with the 13th month. Therefore, Nisan 1 fits the Second Advent. He would not come in glory on the Day of God's Wrath, and he would not wait a whole year, just those 7 months that the Jews bury the dead to cleanse the land for His return in glory. For 5 of the 7 months, men will want to die and won't be able to (Rev. 9:5,6). That wouldn't follow the Second Advent.

James 5:7,8 (LITV) says, "Therefore, brothers (i.e., brethren, believers), be long-suffering until the coming of the Lord. Behold, the farmer (i.e., husbandman, the Father) waits for the precious fruit of the earth (i.e., wheat or early grapes), being long-suffering over it until it may receive the early (rain of Tishri) and the latter rain (of Nisan)." Then, after Nisan is over, in Sivan comes the beginning of wheat harvest. That is when the tender grapes appear too.

Song of Solomon 2:10-16 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. For, lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land (they come in April and leave in October); The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ), in the secret...of the stairs, let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. My beloved is mine, and I am his".

Isa. 18:3-6 says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (flag) on the mountains (kingdoms, i.e., the UN); and when he (the LORD) bloweth a trumpet (as in I Thess. 4:16), hear ye. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take MY REST, and I will consider (lit., see) in my dwelling place (Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of HARVEST. For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (i.e., at Pentecost in the spring), he shall both cut off the sprigs (i.e., the ones with fruit) with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches (i.e., the twigs with no fruit). They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains (kingdoms, i.e., the UN), and to the beasts (of Rev. 13) of the earth: and the fowls shall summer upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them."

Psa. 95:9-11 says, "Forty years long was I grieved with this generation (the modern counterpart is 5727 to 5767, 1967 to 2007), and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways: Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should NOT enter into my MY REST."

We are now into 5768. Pentecost, 5768 sounds reasonable for the Pre-Trib Rapture. Many people are working on the peace treaty too. The Tribulation will begin when the False Prophet strengthens the covenant of Dan. 9:27. That could easily be by Pentecost 2009. They are hoping to have the treaty ready by the end of 2008. Heb. 4:3 says, "WE WHICH HAVE BELIEVED DO ENTER INTO REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

The comet Holmes is a sign too. Astronomers have never seen or heard of a comet getting twice as large as the Sun. It is going away from us too. One would normally expect it to get smaller, not larger.

Luke 21:25 says, "And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (literally constellations, and Holmes is in Perseus; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring (as in the huge Indian Ocean tsunami)". Verse 28 says, "And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."

Caleb and Joshua went into their promised land in the spring. I expect we will enter ours in the spring too. Joshua 1:13 says, "The LORD your God hath given you REST, and hath given you this land."

From Five Doves site

Kurt S (26 Nov 2007)
"Psalm 27 Rapture and December 2007"

Psalm 27 is the Rapture Psalm. There a three distinct references to the rapture in Psalm 27, there are no other Psalms, Proverbs or chapters of books in the Bible that have three rapture event references and I believe that none has even two references.

Observations concerning Psalm 27

1. First if you are looking for the rapture to occur in the year 2007 then Psalm 27 fits that scenario 27 = 2 00 7...

3. Also, I believe that Satan and his angels have to be cast out of Heaven before we are brought in. Jesus, I don't think, would want to bring His bride into the same location where Satan still has access. I don't think Satan has been cast out of Heaven yet (Rev 12:7- 9). But when he is cast out of heaven and we are raptured into heaven then our head will be lifted up above our true enemy because we will be in heaven and our true enemy will be confined to earth.

4. Verse 10 is the strongest rapture verse, the Lord will take me up....

My reply

Psalm 27:5 says, "For IN THE TIME OF TROUBLE HE SHALL HIDE ME IN HIS PAVILION: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock."

The secret of his Tabernacle is the location of the rock called Heaven. Paul was caught up to the "third heaven." II Cor. 12:2-4 says, "I knew a man (Paul himself) in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was CAUGHT UP INTO PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

The third heaven out from Earth is Saturn. Mars is the 1st, Jupiter the 2nd, and Saturn the 3rd.

The Tabernacle depicted this. There were three cube-shaped spaces inside the tent. I think the cubes represented three spheres in which the length, breadth and height were equal, as they are in cubes or spheres. Think of a sphere in a box where the dimensions of both are the same. I think the Holy Place represented Mars and Jupiter, and the Holy of Holies represented Saturn. The square altar of earth outside represented Earth. Ex. 20:24 says, "An altar of EARTH thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee. "

The Rapture Psa. 27 refers to is the second Rapture, the "last trump" of I Cor. 15:51-54, the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It happens on the Day of God's Wrath. I would prefer to go at the first trump, the Pre-Trib Rapture. It was prefigured by the peaceful ascension of Enoch. I Thess. 4:16,17 tells us about the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, Dan. 12:1 says, "And at that time (when the False Prophet comes to his end, Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people (Israelites): and there shall be A TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: and at that time thy people (i.e., the 144,000 of Rev. 7 and 14:4,5) shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

This day is a day like no other. It is the time of Jacob's trouble, the Day of God's Wrath, the Day of the Lord. Jer. 30:7 says, "Alas! for that day is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it."

Rev 6:12-17 says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?" No one.

The worldwide earthquake will destroy every city; every wall will fall (Eze. 38:20). Rev 16:18-21 says, "there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

In the last verse of Rev. 6, the Day of God's Wrath has come. The Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place in Rev. 7. The 7 trumpets are given to the angels in Rev. 8. The last trump of God precedes the 7 judgment trumpets sounded by angels, but I think of the Tribulation saints escaping so as by fire.

Remember how Elijah was caught up by a chariot of fire, and you can see what I mean. 2 Ki 2:11 says, "as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a CHARIOT OF FIRE, AND HORSES OF FIRE, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

> > I believe that Satan and his angels have to be cast out of Heaven before we are brought in.

Rev. 12 shows that Satan and his army are cast out of Heaven Mid-Trib. At that time, the Israelites that know their Bible will flee to Petra to be taken care of there for the last half of the Tribulation. Agape

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