Pro and Con 1376

Posted 12-21-07

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70 Nations at Day-Long Conference for Palestinian State

by Hillel Fendel
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(IsraelNN.com) Representatives of some 70 nations and another 20 international delegations will convene in Paris on Monday in a one-day "Conference of Donors for a Palestinian State." The goal is to raise hundreds of millions of dollars, or more, on behalf of a Palestinian state adjoining, crowding - and threatening - the State of Israel.

The event is being held as a continuation of sorts of last month's Annapolis Summit, at which Israel and the Palestinian Authority agreed to begin final-status talks.

Incoming e-mail, Re: gap?

You amaze me, you make such intricate connections between scriptures, very good! Thank you for the substantial reply. This information will require some thoughtful study. The following notes are just some food for thought.

One of the big problems I have with the gap theory is that the cause of the destruction of the earth is the war in heaven and Satan being cast down. Satan is still in heaven and roams the earth accusing us day and night before God. Jesus is our advocate protecting us from his accusations. The adversary will be cast down when the rapture occurs and his wrath will be great for he knows he has but a short time.

Rev 12:10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night.

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time.

The War is raging all around us and in Heaven right now.

Another big problem with the Gap is that the bible states in 6 mornings and 6 evenings God created the heavens and the earth and He says it was all good.

Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

A day is one revolution of the earth on its axis.

>> ( Adam ) would be called one during his entire 1st year of existence and two during his entire 2nd year.

This presents a major problem. Aren't you then saying, in the 130th year after creation, Seth was 1 year old. With this overlap the whole chronology gets thrown off one year for each person in the genealogy. That knocks at least 9 years off the flood date putting it at about 1647. Does this Jewish custom apply only to Adam in the genesis chronology?

I thought you might find this a curiosity. If the first year of creation was Sabbatical would the last year, year 6000, be Sabbatical also?

Year one is Sabbatical .. 5999 years remain ... 5999/7=857 dividing evenly. Your fellow servant in the Lord

My reply

> > You amaze me, you make such intricate connections between scriptures, very good!

Thanks. I told the Lord I wanted to understand all the deep things, everything, and I've studied hard. I have found answers to things I could not find answers to in the books in the Seminary Collection at BIOLA, La Mirada Campus. I spent 7 years reading those books without getting my main questions answered. I wanted to know what cherubim really were and what the flaming sword was in Gen. 3:24.

Strong's kerub (translated "cherubims") is "Of uncertain derivation; a cherub or imaginary figure."

Strong's chereb (translated "sword") is "From h3717; drought; also a cutting instrument (from its destructive effect), as a knife, sword, or other sharp implement: - axe, dagger...tool."

Why is Satan called "the anointed cherub" (kerub, cherub or cherubim) in Eze 28:14? It says, "Thou art the anointed CHERUB that COVERETH; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the STONES OF FIRE." Does this mean that Satan is the same as a cherubim? Are those that call cherubim a certain order of angels right? In Eze. 28:14, "covereth" is Strong's "sakak A primitive root; properly to entwine as a screen; by implication to fence in, cover over, (figuratively) protect: - cover, defence, defend, hedge in, join together, set, shut up."

Then is Satan one who guards the way to Heaven? Does he wield the "flaming sword" to guard the way?

What are the cherubim of Ezekiel 1 and 10?

I gave up on the books of man, prayed in exasperation to understand all the deep things, and mainly used the Bible and Strong's Concordance from that point on. Light began to dawn when I set out to look up all the original meanings of the words in Ezekiel 1. It seems like the translators didn't have a clue what Ezekiel's vision portrayed.

First, Ezekiel looked up into the sky. He said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." Then he must have seen all the way to God's Heaven.

This ties in with verse 26, which says, "above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their (the 4 cherubim's) heads was the likeness (symbolic word) of a throne, as (another symbolic word) the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire means heaven as a birthstone, and dear to the planet Saturn from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear): and upon the likeness (the symbol, the sapphire) of the throne (in Heaven) was the likeness as (more symbolic words) the appearance of A MAN above upon it." This MAN is God. Therefore, he is Jesus Christ, who is both man and God.

This is Ezekiel's view of Heaven, and the man seated on the sapphire throne in Heaven is Jesus Christ. He is the LORD (YHWH) of hosts, the Redeemer of Isa. 44:6.

The 4 cherubim orbiting in concentric circles are the four terrestial planets. Heaven (Saturn) is the third heaven from the Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. It is above the heads of the 4 terrestrial planets, i.e., farther out in space.

Of Heaven, Paradise, I Cor. 12:1-4 says, "It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I knew a man in Christ [Paul himself] above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to THE THIRD HEAVEN. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into PARADISE".

Back to Ezekiel 1:4. It says, "I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud (i.e., the smaller rocks in the Asteroid Belt), and a fire infolding itself (the Sun in the center), and a brightness (sunlight) was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire."

Ezekiel looked up into the sky. He saw the 4 terrestrial planets orbiting the Sun. They are Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars. Farther out in space than Mars, he saw the cloud of asteroids orbiting in the Asteroid Belt. On out in space, he saw the third planet from the Earth, Saturn.

Eze 1:13 says, "As for the likeness (symbols) of the living creatures (the 4 lively planets orbiting in concentric circles), their appearance was like (symbolic language) burning coals of fire (i.e., the sunlight made the planets look like lamps that were lit), and like the appearance of lamps: it (Satan's asteroid) went up and down among the living creatures (it orbits between the lively things, the terrestrial planets); and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning."

Eze 1:15 shows that Earth is one of the 4 terrestrial planets. Ezekiel said, "as I beheld the living creatures (lively flying things), behold ONE WHEEL (i.e., orbital ring) UPON THE EARTH".

After seeing Christ on his "sapphire" throne, Eze 1:27,28 goes on saying, "I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it (Saturn is amber colored), from the appearance of his loins (i.e., from the equator, as in one translation I ran across) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire (Saturn looked like a lamp that was lit), and it (Saturn) had brightness (i.e., it's ring system) round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about (both the rainbow and Saturn's rings are made of ice crystals). This was the appearance of the likeness (symbolic word) of the glory of the LORD".

After understanding Eze. 1, I went to Eze. 10:1,2. It says, "behold, in the firmament (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne (of Jesus Christ). And he (Christ) spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (orbits), even under THE CHERUB (Satan), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from (the asteroid) between the cherubims (the 4 terrestrial planets), and scatter them over the city (Jerusalem). And he went in in my sight."

Eze 28:11-18 says, "the word of the LORD (i.e., the Pre-incarnate Christ) came unto me, saying, Son of man, take up a lamentation upon THE KING OF TYRUS (the rock), and say unto him (Satan, the king of the asteroid), Thus saith THE LORD GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone (symbolizing the planets) was thy covering, the sardius (Mercury), topaz (Venus), and the diamond (Earth), the beryl (Mars), the onyx (Rahab), and the jasper (Jupiter), the sapphire (Saturn), the emerald (Uranus), and the carbuncle (Neptune), and gold (Pluto): the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. THOU ART THE ANOINTED CHERUB THAT COVERETH (sakak, defends, GUARDS); and I have (i.e., in the past) set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God (on Saturn); thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire (Rahab was in the center of the planetary lineup). Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will (in the future) cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God (Saturn): and I will (i.e., in the future) destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground (on Earth), I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries (Rahab, the asteroid Wormwood and Babylon) by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will (i.e., in the future) bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee."

Let's look at Gen. 3:24 now. "So he drove out the man (Adam); and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims (i.e., planets that will rise in the eastern sky), and a flaming sword (Satan's asteroid Wormwood) which turned every way (rotated and orbited), to keep (sha^mar, guard) the way of (or to) the tree of life" (which is now in the heavenly Paradise in the 3rd Heaven, Saturn).

Rev 2:7 says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

Josephus said that the candlestick in the Temple stood for the planets and the Sun. There were 7 lamps. The western lamp stood for the Sun. It was to be kept lit. The other lamps stood for Mercury, Venus, Earth (in the middle), Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (Heaven). These naked-eye planets were known to the ancients.

The flaming sword came from the planet Rahab, which was mid-way between Earth and Saturn.

The ten widths of fabric that made up the tent of the Tabernacle stood for Mercury, Venus, Earth (the width bent over the back corner), Mars, Rahab, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.

> > The adversary will be cast down when the rapture occurs and his wrath will be great for he knows he has but a short time.

Since you mentioned the short time, maybe you meant to say after the rapture. As I understand it, Satan and his fallen angels will be cast down to Earth Mid-Trib. The Jews that flee Jerusalem are to be nourished in Petra and the wilderness for the last 1260 days of the Tribulation (Rev 12:6-9). The last half of the Tribulation, the Great Tribulation, is the part that will be shortened.

> > One of the big problems I have with the gap theory is that the cause of the destruction of the earth is the war in heaven and Satan being cast down.

The Angelic Conflict is older than man, and is not over yet. I wonder if God created man to show Satan something. Satan failed his test, and he could see God. If man, who could not see God, could still obey him, he would be just in putting Satan in prison. Why else would Satan fight so long and hard to deceive man?

Don't let my guessing about what might have happened get in the way though. Just look now at what the Lord says. Psa 89:8-11 says, "O LORD God of hosts...THOU RULEST THE RAGING OF THE SEA: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. THOU HAST BROKEN RAHAB IN PIECES, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them."

We know that Rahab was broken in pieces, and the Lord's enemies have been scattered. That doesn't mean they are cast out of Heaven yet, just scattered.

Isa 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (chatsab, split, divided) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (i.e., Satan)?"

The parallel to this could be when the Satan-possessed False Prophet is wounded when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11 hit Earth. Zech 11:17 says, "Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! (he goes to Babylon) the sword (Sword of the Lord, i.e., the asteroid) shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened."

Eccl. 1:9 says, "The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun." As you know, there are types all over the place.

In the 1st chapter of Genesis, much can be learned by looking at the places where "bara" create, and "asah" made, are used. Bara, create, is only used 3 times, for creating the heaven and the earth in Gen. 1:1, for creating animal life in 1:21, and for creating man in 1:27. Every other time, asah, made, is used.

Bara means to create in the first place. Asah means to refashion already existing materials.

In 1:7,8, God made (asah, refashioning existing material) the firmament (expanse of space) and divided the waters which were under the firmament (expanse of space) from the waters which were above the firmament (expanse of space): and it was so. And God called the firmament (expanse of space) Heaven" (i.e., the heavens).

In 1:16, "God made (asah, refashioning existing materials) two great lights". He didn't create the Sun and the Moon at that time. They already existed, but they could not be seen for the cloud cover was thick. Verse 17 says, "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth." He obviously set them in place to rule the calendar too.

Verse 21 is different. There "God created (bara) great whales, and every living creature that moveth." So is verse 27. It says, "God created (bara) man...

Let's look at verses 11,12. "God said, Let (allow) THE EARTH (to) bring forth grass...upon the earth...And THE EARTH BROUGHT FORTH GRASS". The grass seed was already in the earth. Grass was growing there before the Earth became waste and desolation. When it got light again, the grass grew. And not only the grass. Gen. 2:5 says, "And every plant OF THE FIELD BEFORE (t?erem, to interrupt or suspend) IT was in the earth, and every herb OF THE FIELD BEFORE IT grew". The seeds of the plants were still in the earth. They did not have to be recreated. When it got light, they grew. Gen 2:3 says, "God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created (bara) and made (asah, out of existing materials). These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created (bara), in the day that the LORD God made (asah, refashioned out of existing materials) the earth and the heavens".

Psa 104:30 is easy to understand. It says, "thou renewest the face of the earth."

Isa 45:12 shows what the Lord did to the heavens. It says, "I have made (asah, refashioned) the earth, and created (bara) man upon it: I, even my hands, have STRETCHD OUT THE HEAVENS, and all their host have I commanded." How did he stretch out the heavens? He caused Rahab to blow apart, thus separating the terrestrial planets from the giant planets.

The Lord formed the Earth to be inhabited. He created it not waste and desolation. Isa 45:18 says, "For thus saith the LORD that created (bara) the heavens; God himself that formed (yatsar, to mould into a form through squeezing into shape as a potter works clay before making a pot) the earth and made (asah) it; he hath established it, he created (bara) it not in vain (tohu, waste), he formed it to be inhabited".

> > Another big problem with the Gap is that the bible states in 6 mornings and 6 evenings God created the heavens and the earth and He says it was all good.

> > Gen 1:31 And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day.

> > A day is one revolution of the earth on its axis. Made, in Gen 1:31 is asah, to fashion out of existing materials.

Ex. 31:17 says, "It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made (asah, made out of existing materials) heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed."

> > > ( Adam ) would be called one during his entire 1st year of existence and two during his entire 2nd year.

> > This presents a major problem. Aren't you then saying, in the 130th year after creation, Seth was 1 year old. With this overlap the whole chronology gets thrown off one year for each person in the genealogy. That knocks at least 9 years off the flood date putting it at about 1647. Does this Jewish custom apply only to Adam in the genesis chronology?

I don't have a mathematical mind, so I tend to do those things the long way. I first used graph paper. Not having room to write in much, I finally put chronology on lined paper. The whole line representing the first year of Adam was marked AH 1. The whole second line was marked AH 2, and so on. When I got to AH 130, I wrote on that line that Seth was born that year. Does that system have a flaw in it? I was counting by years, not days. Some years could be 354, 355, 356, 384, 385 or 386 days, but each one would be represented by one line on my tablet.

It finally got a lot easier. On the computer, I could add as much information after the first year as I wanted to, then go on to the second year. I could pause and write in a way of double checking certain dates before proceeding to another year too. It seems to be correct up to the Flood in 1656 AH, because the major chronologers also got 1656 years.

I like to run Double Checks. Adam lived 930 years. Methuselah lived 969 years. I put the patriarch's years on a graph. Their lives overlapped by 243 years. 930 + 969 - 1656 to the Flood = 243, making any changes difficult. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Your prophetic insights

I read your site with great interest. I have been studying and praying for years to know what God would reveal to his Church. You confirmed much. The generations of promise, in particular caught my attention, as I just this morning found this information. I understand now the scripture that tells us that we are a chosen generation. That final generation, that continuous 43rd generation that began at Pentecost is the church, and it will continue until the church is taken. From Noah to Jesus, we have 42 generations, and the last generation is that generation beginning at the birth of the church. For a total of 43. Further, the nation of Israel had 42 Kings from Saul to the captivity of Babylon. Jesus, upon his return will be the last and 43rd. In the occultic history of our country, along with the dark shadows that have followed us, there also can be seen the hand of God, and a prophetic pattern which aligns with Israel's history. I believe that if the pattern holds, that what we have seen in the years since 200l was a time of preparation. Just as Joseph, who took a Gentile bride in Egypt, had 7 years to gather in the wheat and prepare for 7 years of famine, the church has had 7 years to take in the bread of life, the word of God, and prepare herself. Bill Clinton, our 42nd president, ended an era or epoch in our nation's history.

That number marked the completion of one era. The election of George W (our 43rd) may have been the beginning of another period. If the pattern holds for the USA, as it has for Israel, then perhaps George W will be our 43rd and last president. Further, it would seem that the towers, now known as a symbol of the Illuminati, and their destruction, may have also followed a prophetic pattern. When God ushered in a new dispensation under Abraham, the tower at Babel had been destroyed. When the dispensation of the church began, Israel also saw Solomon's Temple, and the two great pillars fall. Perhaps the destruction of the towers on 911 also led us into the beginning of the next dispensation. It seems that one melds into the next with an overlap of some years each time.

If you don't think I'm crazy yet, let me pass this by you, as well. I wonder if the global warming trend we're seeing might just be the beginning of God's restoration of the earth, to be ultimatley consumated after the destructions during the tribulation. In all things I've seen, God acts in accordance with the natural laws he put into place. While the global warming community is worried about flooding, I believe GOD'S PROMISE NOT to again flood the earth again. Further, the word tells me that he sets the boundries of the oceans. Just suppose that the melting ice we see eventually finds itself in our atmosphere, protecting and nurturing the earth, just as it did before Noah. Fresh water will find its way to our depleted underground resivours. A mild climate will allow us to grow enough food for a huge population. With a mild climate over all the earth, severe weather will stop, as it now occurs because of the interaction of Cold and Warm weather. The Globalists who do not accept the promises of God are terrified of the warming earth. I believe God's promises. I did also find that Baal was also worshiped by the Cannanites as the god of rain and lightening...of weather! In worshiping the creation rather than the creator, are they also giving their adulation to Baal?

Each day I wake up with the expectation the God is further revealing himself to the church. It is my hope that in e-mailing you, I have been obedient. No doubt nothing I've said is new to you. I look forward to your further articles. My prayers are with you.

My reply

Thanks for your prayers.

> > From Noah to Jesus, we have 42 generations

I think you meant that the 42 generations are from Abraham to Jesus (Mt. 1:17). If I remember right, Abraham was born two years after Noah died.

I am surprised that the Six-Day War of 1967 + 42 = 2009, when I think the Tribulation will begin on Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5769, May 29, 2009. I had divided 2030 years by 42 and got 48.33 years for a generation. 1967 + 48 = 2015. The extra third of a year could be the 4 months (Sivan, Tamuz, Av and Elul) between Pentecost and the Feast of Trumpets.

I think the Day of God's Wrath will be the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015.

I am hoping for the Pre-Trib Rapture on next Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5768 (June 9, 2008). I figure that Israel needs that year in between to build the Temple. It seems to exist as the Tribulation begins. In Herod's day, after he assembled the materials, the priests built the Temple itself in one year.

Rev 11:1-7 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (the 1st half of the Tribulation). And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees (Moses and Elijah, Zech 4:11; Mt. 17:2,3), and the two candlesticks standing before THE GOD OF THE EARTH (Christ, Gen. 24:3, Isa. 44:6). And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (Satan) shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

Satan is cast "into the earth" Mid-Trib. Rev 12:7-9 says, "there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: HE WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him."

Right away, when he comes up out of the Earth, he will enter into the False Prophet and kill God's two witnesses. Rev 17:8 says, "The beast that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot, the 1st son of perdition), and is not (in man now); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit (Mid-Trib), and go into perdition (the 2nd son of perdition, the False Prophet): and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was (in man), and is not (in man now), and yet is (exists)." Agape

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