Pro and Con 1378

Posted 12-28-07

Incoming e-mail, Re: Four Months and then the harvest

For 27 years, ever since I was saved, I have believed that I will have the privilege of witnessing and being a part of the first rapture. When I thought we were near a potential time for the rapture, it was always an exciting, motivating time for me to pray for and preach to unsaved people.

If this latest revelation is true, it is intresting that you have received it 4 months before the date. These verses take place right after the woman and the well went back to her village to bring the people to see Jesus.:

John 4:31-36, Amplified Version: 31 Meanwhile, the disciples urged Him saying, Rabbi, eat something. 32 But He assured them, I have food (nourishment) to eat of which you know nothing and have no idea. 33 So the disciples said one to another, Has someone brought Him something to eat? 34 Jesus said to them, My food (nourishment) is to do the will (pleasure) of Him Who sent Me and to accomplish and completely finish His work. 35 Do you not say, It is still four months until harvest time comes? Look! I tell you, raise your eyes and observe the fields and see how they are already white for harvesting. 36 Already the reaper is getting his wages [he who does the cutting now has his reward], for he is gathering fruit (crop) unto life eternal, so that he who does the planting and he who does the reaping may rejoice together.

Maybe Jesus is saying this to encourage us that if we try harvesting now, we are able to rejoice right along with the planters because there is such a short time between planting and harvesting, sometimes it might be immediate.

One more note: I was totally with the Pentecost time, since it happened just before my 54th birthday on June 14th. I think that marriage is a picture of the rapture, since we go to become the Bride of Christ. My father went to be with the Lord on the day of my brother's wedding. He had received Christ only two years before. He was 54 when he died. So, I was born in 1954, my dad was 54 when he died on a wedding morning, and I will be 54 this June. I have no idea what significance the number 54 might have, but it sure seems significant to me that all these line up in the year that is most likely for the pre-trib rapture.

Also, I have begun my 5th year working for a funeral and cemetery company. Since I started this work, I have come to realize that I may be here to witness the dead rising first. The fact that it might be on a Saturday would be more logical, since I am usually not there on Sundays.

Thank you for your diligent work in this vital area.

Read a play about the need to come to Christ before the rapture at:

My reply

Thank you for reminding me of the 4 months till harvest. It works out. It is now that the fields are already white to harvest. Barley is the crop that turns white when ready to be harvested, not wheat, which is very golden. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Did a Comet Cause the Great Flood?
11.15.2007 - The universal human myth may be the first example of disaster reporting.
by Scott Carney

,,,Masse’s biggest idea is that some 5,000 years ago, a 3-mile-wide ball of rock and ice swung around the sun and smashed into the ocean off the coast of Madagascar. The ensuing cataclysm sent a series of 600-foot-high tsunamis crashing against the world’s coastlines and injected plumes of superheated water vapor and aerosol particulates into the atmosphere. Within hours, the infusion of heat and moisture blasted its way into jet streams and spawned superhurricanes that pummeled the other side of the planet. For about a week, material ejected into the atmosphere plunged the world into darkness. All told, up to 80 percent of the world’s population may have perished, making it the single most lethal event in history....

Why, then, don’t we know about it? Masse contends that we do. Almost every culture has a legend about a great flood, and—with a little reading between the lines—many of them mention something like a comet on a collision course with Earth just before the disaster. The Bible describes a deluge for 40 days and 40 nights that created a flood so great that Noah was stuck in his ark for two weeks until the water subsided....

“These stories are all exactly what you would expect from the survivors of a celestial impact,” Masse says, leafing through 2,000-year-old drawings by Chinese astronomers that show comets of all shapes and sizes. “When a comet rounds the sun, oftentimes its tail is still being blown forward by the solar winds so that it actually precedes it. That is why so many descriptions of comets in mythology mention that they are wearing horns.” In India, he notes, a celestial fish described as “bright as a moonbeam,” with a horn on its head, warned of an epic flood that brought on a new age of man.

Among 175 flood myths, Masse found two of particular interest. A Hindu myth describes an alignment of the five bright planets that has happened only once in the last 5,000 years, according to computer simulations, and a Chinese story mentions that the great flood occurred at the end of the reign of Empress Nu Wa. Cross-checking historical records with astronomical data, Masse came up with a date for his event: May 10, 2807 B.C....

When Abbott began searching satellite images on Google Earth, she saw dozens of chevrons along shorelines and inland in Africa and Asia. The shape and size of these chevrons suggest that they might have been formed by waves emanating from the impact of a comet slamming into the deep ocean off Madagascar. “The chevrons in Madagascar associated with the crater were filled with melted microfossils from the bottom of the ocean. There is no explanation for their presence other than a cosmic impact,” she says....

To make a case for the impact, Melosh says, Abbott “should be finding layers of glassy droplets and fused rock in sea-core samples, the sorts of things we find at all other similar impact sites.”...

Just 25 years ago, Luis and Walter Alvarez raised eyebrows with their idea that an asteroid collision helped kill off the dinosaurs. So Abbott continues to hunt for evidence that will clinch the idea that Noah’s flood was yet another example of extraterrestrial meddling....

My reply

I think an asteroid did kill the dinosaurs, but it was before Adam was created. One seems to have hit the Indian Ocean Area before Adam's day too. Something violent caused the volcanic formation of the Decan Traps in India. Something pushed up the Himalayan Mountains. I believe the Lord used asteroid impacts to shape the Earth the way he wanted it and to blast the Moon material out of the Pacific Basin. If the land was level now, the whole world would again be under water.

An asteroid impact does not seem to have been necessary at the time of Noah's Flood. Between the vapor canopy, water comets hitting the atmosphere as they do every day at the present time, and the water already on Earth, there was plenty of water for the Flood. Right now, "The ice of Antarctica and Greenland contains enough water to raise the sea level by more than 200 feet" (Sea Level Rises 50 Percent Faster, by Erik Stokstad:

The Bible shows that Noah was in the Ark one year, not "two weeks" and all people outside the Ark perished. Any Flood myths were made up later on. It seems that only the Bible tells the straight story.

Looking for Life in All the Wrong Places

They are Earth's pariahs: microbes that just barely survive, in the least hospitable places on the planet. And yet they, or something much like them, could seed the universe with life.
by Will Hively

...Not long after Viking landed on Mars, the Friedmanns published a paper describing microorganisms living in the Ross Desert of Antarctica, in mountain ranges so cold and dry they were thought to be devoid of life. NASA had sent researchers to test soil there, in fact, as a trial run for Viking; they found nothing persuasive. But the Friedmanns did, without leaving Tallahassee. Not in the soil, but in a rock shipped to their lab-- a small but perfect specimen of Beacon sandstone, as Friedmann described it. The rock was colonized by bacteria that led a miserable existence. All through the dark polar winter, they would barely hold on, at 50 below. Not until summer could they thaw, rehydrate, and photosynthesize, and then only when midday temperatures were sufficiently high--and only if, at the same time, water from melted snow still lingered. The Friedmanns called these creatures cryptoendoliths: crypto for hidden, endolith, meaning inside rocks....

...Siberia. They are formidable survivors. Buried in permafrost, they’ve been doing practically nothing for 3 million years, so little that standard tests would detect no signs of life....

Among the denizens of the extreme are thermophiles that love water so hot it would kill us, psychrophiles that thrive in places so cold, halophiles in salt brine so strong, and barophiles under pressure so high that we’d expire. Together, such microbes are sometimes called extremophiles...

But right at the limits, some microbes carry on by the skin of their teeth, barely surviving, rarely reproducing. In this limbo, says Friedmann, this gray zone between the limit of adaptability and actual death, there are organisms that live permanently...

Friedmann has searched in deserts from the Gobi in Mongolia to the Atacama in Chile, and in frozen lands from pole to pole. He has looked high on mountains, and deep in the sea....

Once he knew where to look, Friedmann found endoliths everywhere. These mountains, he says, pointing to a photograph of the Negev on his wall, look absolutely barren. Indeed, as you scan it you see no trees or shrubs, not a blade of grass, not even a lichenous rock. It looks as dead as, say, the surface of Mars. But inside, the hills are practically covered by a green layer. Only a millimeter beneath the hard, rocky surface, he found, the desert slopes were alive....

Earth is infected with bacteria more than a mile below its surface--the current record for deep-dwelling life is 9,600 feet....

Permafrost begins as living tundra soil. During the brief summers the top portion of soil thaws and, as fresh silt arrives, the lower portion is buried. When soil layers sink too deep for summer heat to reach them, they become permanently frozen, as far down as 3,000 feet. And in those very old, frozen soils, Friedmann says, there are living microorganisms....

Could something similar have happened on Mars...

Incoming e-mail, Re: gap points clarified

in reply to your last email here are some points that clarify my view of two important issues.

In regard to the proper method of constructing the Genesis chronology you said:

>> When I got to AH 130, I wrote on that line that Seth was born that year. Does that system have a flaw in it?

Why didn't you say he was one year old as you did with Adam? This is my point exactly, if you arrived at the flood in 1656 AH using this method, then you didn't say Seth was one year old when Adam was 130. You must have said he became one in the next year and continued in this fashion with all the others in the pre flood genealogy. Therefore this applies to Adam as well, he wasn't one year old until the start of the next year. Old customs have little import when we are researching the exact chronology recorded in the Bible. If we use the exact information we can understand the revelation of the Seasons, the Appointed Times, according to the Sabbatical and Jubilee years. It took me over 7 years, day and night, researching biblical history to unravel this amazing mystery.

Ecclesiastes 3:11 Young's Literal Translation:
"The whole He hath made beautiful in its season; also, that knowledge He hath put in their heart without which man findeth not out the work that God hath done from the beginning even unto the end.

Other translations of this verse simply miss the mark, or worse they reverse its meaning. After all, how could Jesus rebuke the Pharisees for not understanding the Times (seasons) if it were not possible?

Mat 16;1 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to-day: for the heaven is red and lowering. Ye know how to discern the face of the heaven; but ye cannot discern the signs of the times.

Luke 19:4 and shall dash thee to the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. (This time of visitation is referring to the Jubilee of 28 AD)

It is the entire history in God's Word that brings us to the knowledge of end time events. We can trace the Sabbatical years from 2008 all the way back to the first 5 days of creation! This is the only way we can know that we have arrived at the start of the last Jubilee of years, which is also the Sabbatical (Appointed) Year, the year of our Lord 2008; 63 years from the fig tree sprouting (Sabbatical year 1945) and 7 years remain of this 70 year generation (Tribulation).

In regard to the Gap theory why swallow a camel?

The Earth started in darkness (evening) Light was created (morning) and there was one day. After the creation of substance (Heavens, Light and Earth) God could form anything out of the substance he had already created such as plants animals or Adam. No physical world could exist before the creation of matter and light, there was only The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit. How could a “gap” world exist before the creation of light.

Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

The Hosts of Heaven (angels) were created in these six days also.

Ge 2:1 And the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Your fellow servant in the Lord

My reply

Long ago, when I was working on Bible Chronology, I wasn't thinking of when Adam might have celebrated his birthday. I ran across the information that the Hebrews called a baby 1 during their entire 1st year much later.

Adam was created at the very end of year 0. I simply assigned the first year thereafter to Adam, because he was alive during that year -- and the 130th year to Seth, because he was born that year.

On these things we are in agreement. You have Adam created in the zero year and Seth born in Adam's 130th year. Also, you have Noah 601 at the end of the Flood.

You have the Crucifixion in 33 AD. I think it was in 30 AD. Herod started building the Temple in 19/20 BC. The Sabbatic year, AD 27, was the 46th year of Temple construction (John 2:20) and the 1st Passover of Jesus' ministry. The 15th year of Tiberius (Luke 3:1,2) was in 26 AD, because Tiberius was Co-Rex in 12 AD. From that time, he administered affairs in Jerusalem. I have a picture of a coin minted in 13 AD. Tiberius is on one side, and Augustus is on the other side.

You have the Last Trump in 2008, and the beginning of the Tribulation in 2009. I think the First Trump, the Pre-Trib Rapture, is in 2008, and the beginning of the Tribulation in 2009. We are in agreement if you call the Pre-Trib Rapture the Last Trump, as many do.

I think there are two Raptures. The First-Trump Rapture (I Thess. 4:13-18; Rev. 4:1; 5:9) is for the Bride of Christ. The Last-Trump Rapture is for the Tribulation saints (I Cor. 15:51,52; Rev. 7:9,14; 14:4,5). The 144,000 Israelites are added to the Bride group, because they are called virgins without fault before the throne of God. No one else is added to the Bride group at the 2nd Rapture. Only those of the 1st Rapture and the 144,000 are able to sing the New Song. This is probably because Israel is blinded in part, that the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

You don't mention the Second Advent, but put the battle of Armageddon in 2015 and "Removing the Dead and Weapons of war" in 2016, so I assume you think the Second Advent will be in 2015.

I think the Last Trump Rapture, the day Gog's army attacks Israel, the Day of God's Wrath, and the great and terrible Day of the Lord, will all be on Tishri 1, 5776 (Mon. Sept. 14, 2015), and the Second Advent will be 7 months later (Eze. 39:12,13), on Nisan 1 (Sat. April 9, 2016). To me, Armageddon follows the Second Advent, for it is Satan's forces against Christ's.

Considering the difficulty of Bible Chronology, I think we are in pretty good agreement.

> > How could a “gap” world exist before the creation of light.

There was light before the catastrophe that left the world in darkness, waste and desolation. How do you think all that limestone formed under Jerusalem? Just about every house had a cistern hewn out of the limestone. White melech (royal) limestone is the bedrock under the Temple Mount. It is very thick. Several cisterns have been cut out of the limestone there.

Within 500 yards of the Temple Mount, there is a huge cave, one of the largest in Israel. About 220 meters in length and 90 meters in depth, it traditionally extends to the plain of Jericho. White melech limestone was quarried there in Solomon's day. Because of the cavern's depth, the sounds of tools being used to split the blocks loose could not have been heard at the Temple. They used dry wooden wedges pounded into cuts made in the rock. After wetting, the wood swelled and the limestone split.

How and when do you think that thick limestone at Jerusalem and the 6.5-mile-deep sedimentary rock under the Arabic desert formed? Noah's Flood only lasted one year. I don't think its deposits could have been 6.5 miles thick. They aren't that thick in the Tigris-Euphrates Valley. They are not formed that fast in our oceans today.

How did about 400 dinosaurs get killed at once and buried piled 4 and 5 deep in China's Gobi Desert?

How did dinosaurs get encased in the hills in South Dakota?

How did Mammoths get killed, quick-frozen and buried by the catyclism that killed them in Siberia? Some of them have plants in their mouths that grew in a mild climate too. How did that sudden cold happen? How did so many trees and plants get buried to form the vast reservoirs of coal and oil we have in this world?

Where is the missing granite that should be in the Pacific Basin? Why is the Moon made up of granite and the same other rocks that are found on Earth today, except for volatiles that would have burned off in terrific heat. Why is the Moon peppered with breccia, craters and glass spherules?

Something drastic happened to Earth, and it probably involved the Pacific Basin and materials that now make up the Moon. It didn't all take place when Sodom and Gomorrah were wiped out either, though that punched down the bedrock 1320 ft at the Dead Sea and caused a split in the Earth, the Great Rift Valley, from Syria to Lake Nyassa in Africa.

What caused the continents to split apart? Why is North America still moving toward the Pacific Basin, and the Atlantic Ocean getting wider? Why is the US west coast made of so many diverse terranes, especially around San Francisco? Why are these terranes still moving northwest? Some limestone that came from 30 degrees south is now found at 30 degrees north. Why is there a Pacific Ring of Fire around the Pacific Ocean? Why do volcanic explosions and earthquakes happen within this Ring of Fire? Why are the deepest trenches on Earth found in the Pacific Ocean? Why is the volcanic system that forms the Hawaiian Islands moving north?

Why does Gen. 1:9 say, "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto ONE PLACE, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." The land was covered with water. Why wasn't water already in the Pacific Basin?

What blackened and scarred Mars so badly on one side? Where did its water go? Why is Earth's atmosphere bombarded every day with water comets, some as big as a house? Why are so many asteroids orbiting in cometary orbits instead of staying in the Asteroid Belt? Why isn't a spherical planet in orbit in the Asteroid Belt instead of just a lot of irregular broken pieces? Why are some meteorites made of iron? Where were they originally? Weren't they in the core of the planet Rahab that split apart?

There is a lot of evidence of chaos when you stop and think about it. When did these things happen?

> > Luke 19:44 and shall dash thee to the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. (This time of visitation is referring to the Jubilee of 28 AD)

I am so glad you helped me understand that the Messiah that the Jews expected at the "last Jubilee" was there in Israel during the Jubilee of 28 AD. That was the LAST Jubilee before the dispersion. I had tried several times to count off the Jubilees without finding that out. It meant so much to me to find out that Jesus announced the Jubilee Year when he stood up in the synagogue in Nazareth and read Isa. 61:1,2. It was on Tishri 10, the Day of Atonement, when he had just been 30 years old since Tishri 1. His ministry was just beginning.

You know Luke 4:16-21. It says, "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

That was in 27 AD, the 7th Sabbatic Year of the 49-year Jubilee Cycle. The Jubilee began the following Nisan 1, in 28 AD. Is there any record of the Jews keeping that Jubilee? If you told me, I have forgotten it. That's one of the drawbacks to being 79 years old.

I am also glad to see that you marked off the 49-year Jubilee cycles, rather than counting the cycle as 50 years, as many do. It took lots of studying on my part before I learned that it really was a 49-year cycle. That way the Sabbatic and Jubilee Years stayed aligned. The 50th year was both the Jubilee and the 1st year of the new cycle.

> > How could a “gap” world exist before the creation of light.

> > Ge 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

When "hayah" was used, it denoted change, and should be translated "become." When "hayah" was not used, that did not denote change. The translator was to supply "was." Those will show up in italics in the KJV.

Gen. 1:1-21 says, "In the beginning God created ('bara') the heaven and the earth. And the earth was ('hayah,' denoting change, i.e., the earth became) without form, and void; and darkness was (no 'hayah,' i.e., no change) upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face (i.e., surface) of the waters (i.e., water already existed). And God said, Let there be ('hayah,' i.e., a change) light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness (i.e., not all the darkness became light). And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

The Earth was already rotating, and the Sun was already shining, on the 1st day. There was light, but the cloud cover that God was dispersing with wind still prevented a good view of the Sun.

"And God said, Let there be ('hayah,' denoting a change) a firmament (expanse of space) in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters (i.e., the ocean below, for all the land was covered with water) from the waters (i.e., that were in the clouds). And God made (asah, made out of existing materials) the firmament (expanse of space, i.e., the clear sky), and divided the waters (i.e., the ocean) which were under the firmament (i.e., clear sky) from the waters (i.e., clouds) which were above the firmament (sky): and it was so. And God called the firmament (expanse of space) Heaven ('sha^mayim,' or sha^meh,' i.e., the heavens, or sky). And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto ONE PLACE (i.e., into the Pacific Basin), and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day. And God said, Let there be ('hayah,' denoting change) lights (i.e., the Sun, Moon and stars became visible) in the firmament (expanse of space) of the heaven ('sha^mayim' or sha^meh,' heavens, or sky) to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven TO GIVE LIGHT (as in verse 3) upon the earth: and it was so. And God made ('asah,' fashioned out of existing materials) two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created ('bara') great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

Gen 1:27,28 says, "So God created ('bara') man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created ('bara') he them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and REPLENISH the earth, and subdue it".

REPLENISH THE EARTH. Then the Earth was inhabited before Adam and Eve. There was a time when dinosaurs roamed the Earth. They do not roam Earth today. Neither do mastodons and sabre-toothed tigers. There was a time when all such were wiped out.

Isa. 45:18 says, "thus saith the LORD that created (bara) the heavens; God himself that formed (yatsar, to squeeze into shape; to mould into a form; as a potter) the earth and made (asah, made out of existing material) it; he hath established (kun, fashioned, FIXED) it, HE CREATED (bara) IT NOT IN VAIN (tohu, to lie waste, a desolation of surface) , HE FORMED IT TO BE INHABITED. I am the LORD; and there is none else."

"And the earth was (hayah, became) without form (tohu, waste), and void (bohu, empty, an undistinguishable ruin); and darkness (because thick clouds were around the Earth like a swaddling band) was upon the face of the deep (tehom, a surging mass of water)" (Gen 1:2). The cloud cover was not entirely dissipated until it rained in Noah's day.

Job 36:32 says, "With clouds he covereth the light; and commandeth it not to shine by the cloud that cometh betwixt."

Job 37:21 says, "And now men see not the bright light which is in the clouds: but the wind passeth, and cleanseth them."

What does Job 38:8-11 mean. It says, "who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? WHEN I MADE THE CLOUD THE GARMENT THEREOF, AND THICK DARKNESS A SWADDLINGBAND FOR IT, AND BRAKE UP (shabar, to burst) FOR IT MY DECREED PLACE, and set bars and doors, And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?" Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Thanks for the replys

I see what you are saying, the years and events match very closely, albeit a little difference in just exactly what's happening, but overall we have come to conclusions that are just a few months apart. I will be prepared to meet my Lord on Pentecost this coming year and if we are to be patient and wait until Trumpets that will be ok too. I just hope I am worthy in the Lords eyes to go with him. Being 79 seems to have only made you wiser; let me just say that rapid changes in the Earth's geology can mimic long periods of time, and these changes don't necessarily prove time was a factor. Let me do a little research and I'll send it to you to see what you think.

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