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Incoming e-mail, Re: Hot Cyclones Churn at Both Ends of Saturn
Despite more than a decade of winter darkness, Saturn's north pole is home to an unexpected hot spot remarkably similar to one at the planet's sunny south pole. The source of its heat is a mystery. Now, the first detailed views of the gas giant's high latitudes from the Cassini spacecraft reveal a matched set of hot cyclonic vortices, one at each pole.
While scientists already knew about the hot spot at Saturn's south pole from previous observations by the W. M. Keck Observatory in Hawaii, the north pole vortex was a surprise. The researchers report their findings in the Jan. 4 issue of Science.
Thanks much. You bet I'm interested. Heat again. The unexplainable - unless there is a God who can do things we struggle just to understand what it is, much less how it came to be.
Saturn: "North Pole Gallery"
While scientists already knew about the hot spot at Saturn's south pole from previous observations by the W. M. Keck Observatory in Hawaii, the north pole vortex was a surprise....
"We had speculated that the south pole hot spot was connected to the southern, sunlit conditions," said Glenn Orton, a senior research scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and co-investigator on Cassini's composite infrared spectrometer. "Since the north pole has been deprived of sunlight since the arrival of winter in 1995, we didn't expect to find a similar feature there."
Jupiter Auroras "Northern Lights on Steroids"
"Jupiter has auroras bigger than our entire planet," said Gladstone, of the independent, nonprofit Southwest Research Institute in Texas, in a statement.
Gladstone hopes these latest observations will help him crack some Jovian mysteries. For starter, what causes these "hyper-auroras"?
The solar system's biggest planet and its magnetic field rotate extremely quickly—every ten hours—generating ten million volts around its poles. Toss in charged particles from the volcanic moon Io and you've got a crackling, nonstop sky show.
But how do the volcanic particles get from a relatively small moon to Jupiter's planetary poles? That, Gladstone says, remains one of the planet's unsolved puzzles.
Unexpected detail in first-ever Venus south pole images
A warm South Pole? Yes, on Neptune!
An international team of astronomers using ESO's Very Large Telescope has discovered that the south pole of Neptune is much hotter than the rest of the planet.
Comets Holmes, Hyakutake and Hale-Bopp
"What's up in Space
"On January 21-23, the comet will pass directly in front of Algol".
Comets Hyakutake and Hale-Bopp
In Bob Wadsworth's Biblical Astronomy website, he said:
"MORE ON THE MEDUSA HEAD
"...the comet's Hyakutake and Hale-Bopp were in the very same spot in the heavens as seen from Earth one year apart to the day, on April 10, 1996 and April 10, 1997. This spot was between the eyes and in the forehead of Rosh Satan (the head of Satan), in the constellation Perseus."
My reply to a post on Five Doves site, Re: Ellen Gonzalez, the year of Jubilee and a spring Rapture
27 AD was a Sabbatic Year, and 28 AD was the Jubilee. We can figure from there. The Jubilee Cycle is 49 years. The 50th year is both the Jubilee and the 1st year of the new cycle.
In 27 AD, Jesus' 30th birthday was Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets. His ministry was beginning. Ten days later, when he was about 30 on the Day of Atonement, he read Isa. 61:1,2 to introduce the coming Jubilee Year that would start on the following Nisan 1.
Luke 4:16-21 says, "he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."
What seems favorable to you about the Rapture on the Feast of Tabernacles? To me, the spring has more going for it. I learned something about growing grapes that helped me understand Isaiah 18's message to the whole world.
In the spring, growers prune the vines, cutting off any twigs that are not producing any fruit. The strength of the vine is then concentrated in the best fruit.
Isaiah 18: 3-6 says, "ALL YE INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD, AND DWELLERS ON THE EARTH, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (flag) on the mountains (kingdoms, i.e., the UN); and WHEN HE BLOWETH A TRUMPET, HEAR YE. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest (7th day), and I will consider (see) in my dwelling place (Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew IN THE HEAT OF HARVEST (barley harvest comes first). For afore the harvest (of grapes), when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall both cut off the sprigs (i.e., having fruit) with pruning hooks, and TAKE AWAY (i.e., in the Rapture) and cut down the branches (i.e., that have no fruit). THEY SHALL BE LEFT together unto the fowls of the mountains (kingdoms), and to the beasts (i.e., of Rev. 13) of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER UPON THEM, and all the beasts of the earth shall WINTER upon them."
Doesn't that sound like the First-Trump Rapture will be in the spring, not in the summer or winter? It looks like the Last-Trump Rapture has to be on the Feast of Trumpets in the fall.
Rev. 6: 12-17 says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven (meteorites set free when the asteroid of Rev. 8:8-11) breaks into two pieces at the Roche Limit) fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks (the asteroids), Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne (they see the Sign of the Son of Man in the sky), and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath (i.e., the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of God's Wrath, the great and terrible Day of the Lord) is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Next, we see that the Last-Trump Rapture has just taken place. Rev. 7:14-16 says, "These are THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God (in Heaven), and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat."
Following the Last-Trump Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets, there is silence in both Heaven and Earth while Jesus, the judge, is crowned King of kings and Lord of lords and is seated at the Judgment Seat of Christ in Heaven.
Rev. 8:1,2 says, "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour. And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets."
Hab. 2:20 says, "But the LORD is in his holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before him."
Isa. 41:1 says, "Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment."
Psa 149:5-9 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory (i.e., in Heaven): let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people...this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."
Joel 2:15-18 says, "Blow the trumpet in Zion (in Heaven on the Feast of Trumpets), sanctify a fast (the upcoming Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly: Gather the people (i.e., from one end of Heaven to the other), sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children (from Earth, at the Last-Trump Rapture), and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom (Christ) go forth of his chamber, and the bride (Bride of Christ) out of her closet (chuppah, canopy). Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people (Gog's army is attacking Israel), O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people."
When the 7 trumpets sound, God's wrath hits unbelievers left on Earth. To me, all this happens before the Feast of Tabernacles is fulfilled. Agape
Incoming e-mail, Re: 2300 days
I read with interest your calculation on this period of 2300 days (as mentioned in the Book of Daniel). Some Christian authors mentioned that 2300 days should be treated as morning-evening sacrifices in Jewish prayers, (i.e. 2300 days/2 = 1150 days or 24 hour day).
Can you please indicate the possible start or dates of pre-trib rapture, pre-wrath rapture or tribulation using this explanation? Thank you very much. God bless. In Christ
I don't think it means 1150 days. I couldn't even fit the Tribulation into that.
Gen 1:5 says, "God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And THE EVENING AND THE MORNING were THE FIRST DAY. Hebrew days are 12 hours of night followed by 12 hours of day.
Dan. 8:26 says, "And the vision of THE EVENING AND THE MORNING which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many DAYS." I think the term THE EVENING AND THE MORNING means ONE DAY.
To me, there is no way the shortened Tribulation could be 1150 days, because half of the Tribulation is 1260 days.
Rev 11:3 says of the first half of the Tribulation, "And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth".
Rev 12:6 says of the last half of the Tribulation, "And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." This last half is the Great Tribulation that gets shortened or no flesh would be saved. Mt. 24:22 says, "And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.". Daniel 8:13,14 shows how much the entire Tribulation is shortened. 2520 - 2300 = 220 days. This preserves some people to go on into the Millennium.
2520 - 1150 = 1370. That is more than the 1260 days for the last half of the Tribulation. I doesn't make sense that a 1260-day period would be shortened to 1370. The 220 days makes sense. The time that the entire Tribulation lasts is 2300 days. That fits too. There are 2300 days, counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, between Pentecost (Sifan 6) in 2009 to the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1 (Sept. 14), in 2015. That is a reasonable length for the shortened Tribulation.
1967 (the Six-Day War) + 40 years (a generation) = 2007.
1967 + 48.33 (a generation in Mt. 1:17) = 2015 plus 4 months.
The Pre-Trib First-Trump Rapture and the entire Tribulation should take place within this time. It looks like the First-Trump Rapture will be April 26, 2007, and the Last-Trump Rapture will be Sept. 14, 2015. This is a reasonable spread between the Pre-Trib Rapture at the first trump (I Thess. 4:16,17) and the Pre-Wrath Rapture.(I Cor. 15:51,52) at the "last trump" Agape
Incoming e-mail, Re: Mars - more info
Thanks for your explanations and information. Basic to my understanding through your P/Cs and this e-mail is that Astronomy programs can and now allow man to calculate and determine dates, i.e., "So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. Return, O LORD, how long?" (Psalm 90:12,13)
You're welcome. It took me a long time to figure that out. And yes: "teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. Return, O LORD, how long?" (Psalm 90:12,13)
Incoming e-mail, Re: THE NEW RAPTURE DATE
OH!! April 26, 2008!!!!!!
That sounds like a good date!
That's only 4 months and what? 124 days.
Thank you so.oo much for your marvelous in-depth scriptural studies.
"Here, There, or in the Air"
You are so welcome. In 1998, I just missed the Rapture by ten years and a few days, but I didn't know that then. I thought, well, maybe next Pentecost, and so on through the years. Now, as it turns out, Pentecost is not even the day. I should have known that when the wheat in the field near me was not harvested on Pentecost, and when the shepherd with his lambs went their way without incident other than leaving behind an absolutely bare rectangle of ground where they camped overnight in a fenced off section of the wheat field, that the Rapture was not going to be on Pentecost. I should have caught on that we were not the wheat too. We are the barley. Boaz was winnowing barley when Ruth laid down at his feet. He gave her 6 measures of barley to take to Naomi too. At least I understand now. Agape
Incoming e-mail, Re: The 70 Weeks of Daniel
I thought you might find this interesting, even though it supports 33 AD as the year of the Cross.
457 BC = The 7th year of Artaxerxes = The third year of the 80th Olympiad = The Sabbatical Year = Ezra goes forth with recorded Decree to restore Jerusalem (Nisan 457 BC) = 490 years to (Nisan) 33 AD = The Cross, Messiah Cut Off = The 4th year of the 202nd Olympiad = The 19 year of Tiberius = The Prophecy of 70 Weeks works with Solar Years and Prophetic years. A prophetic year is 69/70ths of a Solar Year. Is this the hand of GOD making sure we would understand this prophecy either way we calculated the years?
365.1412 / 360 = 1.014 = Solar Year / Prophetic Year
70 / 69 = 1.014 = 490 years / 483 years = 70 Weeks / 69 Weeks
I don't fully understand this relationship but I think the prophecy works on either scale. Although, People who go by the prophetic 360 day year say the 70th week is missing from the prophecy.
> > 365.1412 / 360 = 1.014 = Solar Year / Prophetic Year
70 / 69 = 1.014 = 490 years / 483 years = 70 Weeks / 69 Weeks
I don't even understand why this seems important to someone. To me, 360-day years, and 30-day months are averages. Noah used an average until he could see the sky. Then he gave the exact date. We use 30 days to represent a month today. That gets us within the ball park for estimates. It doesn't mean that September doesn't have a 31st day, when we get down to figuring literally.
> > 457 BC = The 7th year of Artaxerxes = The third year of the 80th Olympiad = The Sabbatical Year = Ezra goes forth with recorded Decree to restore Jerusalem (Nisan 457 BC)
Since I studied this again, I hope I have this straight in my head now. I agree that 457 BC was a Sabbatic Year, that it was the beginning of the 70 weeks of Daniel 9, and that the 483 years ended with the Sabbatic Year of 27 AD. To me, 27 AD is locked in by Jesus reading Isa. 61:1,2 in 27 AD. On the Day of Atonement, he was announcing the Jubilee that would start the following Nisan 1, in 28 AD (Luke 4:16--21). The year 27 AD was the Hebrew 3787. It divides evenly by 7.
This year, 5768, divides evenly by 7 too. It is a Sabbatic Year, and 5775 is a Sabbatic year. Got to keep my head straight, and remind myself that Sabbatic years are not necessarily Leap Years. Leap Years are 5768, 5771 and 5776. This year, 5768 is both Sabbatic and a Leap Year. I don't know how often that happens.
Also, I understand that Sir Isaac Newton studied the historical evidence and also decided that Ezra took the Artaxerxes' decree to Jerusalem in 457 BC. So, we are in good company there. He had a much better head for math than I do.
JR Church thinks that each week (shabua, seven) of the 70 weeks of Daniel starts with a Sabbatic Year. He has great hopes for 5768 (2007/2008) for that reason. I have great hopes for the Rapture being on the 21st day of Unleavened Bread in 5768 (April 26, 2008), but I'm not convinced that the 70th week of Daniel has to start with a Sabbatic Year. It is detached from the 69 weeks. There are other things we have to go by. For instance, I think the last year has to be a Leap Year with the 13th month, like 5776 (2015/2016). Otherwise, there wouldn't be 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between the Day of God's Wrath on Tishri 1 and the Second Advent on Nisan 1 (Hosea 6:3). There would only be 6 months in ordinary years.
Eze. 39:12,13 says, "SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (i.e., at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."
Hosea 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, as the latter (the gathered rain, i.e., the Second Advent on Nisan 1) and former rain (the sprinkling rain, i.e., the First Advent on Tishri 1) unto the earth."
Back to 457 BC. I wondered why it was the decree of Artaxerxes instead of the decree of Cyrus that so many people went by. Rereading the book of Ezra straightened that out for me.
That Cyrus included the rebuilding of Jerusalem is made clear by the Lord in Isa. 44:24-28. It says, "THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER (the pre-incarnate Christ), and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish; THAT CONFIRMETH THE WORD OF HIS SERVANT, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; THAT SAITH TO JERUSALEM THOU SHALT BE INHABITED; AND TO THE CITIES OF JUDAH, YE SHALL BE BUILT, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof: That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers: THAT SAITH OF CYRUS, HE IS MY SHEPHERD, AND SHALL PERFORM ALL MY PLEASURE: EVEN SAYING TO JERUSALEM, THOU SHALT BE BUILT, AND TO THE TEMPLE, THY FOUNDATION SHALL BE LAID."
Ezra 1:1-3 agrees. It says, "IN THE FIRST YEAR OF CYRUS king of Persia, that the word of the LORD by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the LORD stirred up the spirit of CYRUS king of Persia, that HE MADE A PROCLAMATION throughout all his kingdom, and PUT IT ALSO IN WRITING, saying, THUS SAITH CYRUS king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me TO BUILD HIM AN HOUSE AT JERUSALEM, which is in Judah. Who is there among you of all his people? his God be with him, and let him go up to JERUSALEM, which is in Judah, and BUILD THE HOUSE OF THE LORD God of Israel, (he is the God,) which is in Jerusalem."
Cyrus did issue the original decree. Of that we can be sure. However, the work did not get finished speedily. It was hindered by those that lived in the land that did not want the city, walls and Temple rebuilt. There were other decrees.
Ezra 3:1-3 says, "when the seventh month was come, and the children of Israel were in the cities, the people gathered themselves together as one man to Jerusalem. Then stood up Jeshua the son of Jozadak, and his brethren...and builded the altar of the God of Israel...And they set the altar upon his bases...and they offered burnt offerings thereon unto the LORD..."
Ezra 3:6,10 says, "From the first day of the seventh month (Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets) began they to offer burnt offerings unto the LORD. BUT THE FOUNDATION OF THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD WAS NOT YET LAID.......And WHEN THE BUILDERS LAID THE FOUNDATION of the temple of the LORD, they set the priests in their apparel with trumpets, and the Levites the sons of Asaph with cymbals, to praise the LORD..."
Ezra 4:4-24 says, "Then the people of the land weakened the hands of the people of Judah, and troubled them in building, And hired counsellors against them, to frustrate their purpose, ALL THE DAYS OF CYRUS...even until THE REIGN OF DARIUS...AND IN THE REIGN OF AHASUERUS, in the beginning of his reign, wrote they unto him an accusation against the inhabitants of Judah and Jerusalem. AND IN THE DAYS OF ARTAXERXES wrote Bishlam, Mithredath, Tabeel, and the rest of their companions, unto Artaxerxes...This is the copy of the letter...Be it known unto the king, that the Jews which came up from thee to us are come unto Jerusalem, building the rebellious and the bad city, and HAVE SET UP THE WALLS THEREOF, AND JOINED THE FOUNDATIONS. Be it known now unto the king, that, if this city be builded, and the walls set up again, then will they not pay toll, tribute, and custom...therefore have we sent and certified the king; That SEARCH MAY BE MADE IN THE BOOK OF THE RECORDS OF THY FATHERS: so shalt thou find in the book of the records, and know that this city is a rebellious city, and hurtful unto kings and provinces...We certify the king that, if this city be builded again, and the walls thereof set up, by this means thou shalt have no portion on this side the river (Jordan). Then sent the king AN ANSWER...And I commanded, and search hath been made, and it is found that this city of old time hath made insurrection against kings...GIVE YE NOW COMMANDMENT TO CAUSE THESE MEN TO CEASE, AND THAT THIS CITY BE NOT BUILDED UNTIL ANOTHER COMMANDMENT SHALL BE GIVEN FROM ME...So it ceased unto the second year of the reign of DARIUS".
Ezr 5:7-17 says, "They sent a letter unto him (Darius), wherein was written thus; UNTO DARIUS the king, all peace. Be it known unto the king, that we went into the province of Judea, to THE HOUSE OF THE GREAT GOD, WHICH IS BUILDED WITH GREAT STONES, AND TIMBER IS LAID IN THE WALLS, AND THIS WORK GOETH FAST ON, and prospereth in their hands. Then asked we those elders, and said unto them thus, Who commanded you to build this house, and to make up these walls?...And thus they returned us answer...IN THE FIRST YEAR OF CYRUS the king of Babylon...CYRUS MADE A DECREE to build this house of God....let there be search made in the king's treasure house, which is there at Babylon, whether it be so, that a decree was made of Cyrus the king to build this house of God at Jerusalem, and let the king send his pleasure to us concerning this matter."
Ezra 6:1-15 says, "Then DARIUS THE KING MADE A DECREE, and search was made in the house of the rolls...And there was found at Achmetha, in the palace that is in the province of the Medes, a roll, and therein was a RECORD thus written: In the first year of CYRUS the king the same CYRUS THE KING MADE A DECREE concerning the house of God at Jerusalem, Let the house be builded...and let the expenses be given out of the king's house: And also let the golden and silver vessels of the house of God, which Nebuchadnezzar took forth out of the temple which is at Jerusalem, and brought unto Babylon, be restored, and brought again unto the temple which is at Jerusalem...Let the work of this house of God alone; LET THE GOVERNOR OF THE JEWS AND THE ELDERS OF THE JEWS BUILD THIS HOUSE OF GOD in his place. Moreover I MAKE A DECREE what ye shall do to the elders of these Jews for the building of this house of God: that of the king's goods, even of the tribute beyond the river, forthwith expenses be given unto these men, that they be not hindered....That they may offer sacrifices of sweet savours unto the God of heaven, and pray for the life of the king, and of his sons. Also I HAVE MADE A DECREE, that whosoever shall alter this word, let timber be pulled down from his house, and being set up, let him be hanged thereon; and let his house be made a dunghill for this. And THE ELDERS OF THE JEWS BUILDED, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And THEY BUILDED, AND FINISHED IT, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT OF CYRUS, AND DARIUS, AND ARTAXERXES...And THIS HOUSE WAS FINISHED on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king."
Ezra 7:11,13,21 says, "Now this is the copy of the letter that the king ARTAXERXES gave unto Ezra...I MAKE A DECREE, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their own freewill to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee....And I, even I ARTAXERXES the king, DO MAKE A DECREE to all the treasurers which are beyond the river, that whatsoever Ezra the priest, the scribe of the law of the God of heaven, shall require of you, it be done speedily".
The 7th year of Artaxerxes I was 458/457 BC. Ezra returned to Jerusalem, traveling from Nisan through Av, in 457 BC. Ezra 7:9 says, "upon the first day of the first month began he to go up from Babylon, and on the first day of the fifth month came he to Jerusalem". The year 457 BC was the beginning of the 483 years of Daniel 9. It ended in 27 AD, the Sabbatic Year preceding the Jubilee Year of 28 AD.
The Jews expected their Messiah in the last Jubilee, and sure enough, he was starting his ministry in the promised land on the last Jubilee before Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed in 70 AD. His 30th birthday was Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, then on Tishri 10, the Day of Atonement, he read Isa. 61:1,2 in the synagogue. At that time, he was about 30 years old (Luke 3:23). Agape
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