Pro and Con 1384

Posted 1-9-08

Ezekiel's Wheels Within Wheals

By Marilyn Agee

Three comet orbits are marked in red in the first diagram below, and the Asteroid Belt is pictured like the cloud that Ezekiel saw. Eze. 1:4,5 says, "I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great CLOUD, and a fire infolding itself (the Sun), and a brightness (sunlight) was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures" (lively things that fly). These are the four terrestrial planets whose orbits look like wheels within wheels in the diagram below.

Eze. 1:15,16 shows that Earth is one of these four flying things whose concentric orbits are like wheels within wheels. It says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (lively things), behold ONE WHEEL UPON THE EARTH...The appearance of the wheels and their work it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel."

Eze. 1:13 gives us a fleeting glimpse of the flaming sword of Gen. 3:24. It is an asteroid in a cometary orbit such as ones marked in the diagram below. The wildest orbit is of Halley's comet. The other is of Tempel.

Some astronomers think bolts of electricity formed craters on Mars that have peaks in the middle. Eze. 1:13 mentions lightning. It says, "As for the likeness of the living creatures (lively things, i.e., the four terrestrial planets), their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: IT (the flaming sword, an asteroid) WENT UP AND DOWN among the living creatures (the lively things, the terrestrial planets); and the fire was bright, and OUT OF THE FIRE WENT FORTH LIGHTNING." The orbit of the flaming sword is something like the orbit of Halley's Comet. Remember the lightning. I'll quote from an article about the electric universe before leaving this subject.

Clandestine comets found in main asteroid belt

Kimm Groshong, 23 March 2006

Main Belt Comet's Orbits

...A BEVY OF THE ICE-CONTAINING BODIES LIES DISGUISED AS MAIN-BELT ASTEROIDS between Mars and Jupiter, claim astronomers from the University of Hawaii, US.

David Jewitt and Henry Hsieh have dubbed the new population "MAIN BELT COMETS". They describe three objects with near circular, flat orbits in the asteroid belt that STREAM VOLATILE MATERIALS, PRODUCING AN OBSERVABLE TAIL FOR WEEKS AND MONTHS AT A TIME. The finding backs a theory that ice-bearing asteroids – or "comets" – from this much closer region may have played an important role in forming the Earth's oceans.

Scientists once believed the icy comets from the outer regions of the solar system were the most likely source of the water that transformed the early Earth from a dry, barren world. But chemical analyses of comet water...ruled out the possibility....

Now Jewitt says this new population within the asteroid belt may provide a way to sample the chemicals in water on or near the surface of these objects....

You would never guess that they were anything but asteroids." But in terms of appearance, with their long-lasting tails, he says "they're definitely comets".


Main-Belt Comets May Have Been Source Of Earths Water

Image credit: H. Hsieh and D. Jewitt (Univ. of Hawaii).
Images of the three known main-belt comets (are at the center of each panel)....

by Phil Berardelli, Mar 23, 2006 reports/Main_Belt_Comets_May_Have_Been_Source_Of_Earths_Water.html

Writing in the March 23 issue of Science Express, Jewett and Hawaii colleague Henry Hsieh said they used the 8-meter Gemini North Telescope on Mauna Kea last Nov. 26 and found that an object they designated Asteroid 118401 was ejecting dust like a comet.

Together with a mysterious comet designated 133P/Elst-Pizarro - known for almost a decade but still poorly understood - and another comet designated P/2005 U1 (discovered by the Spacewatch project in Arizona just a month earlier), 118401 forms an entirely new class of comets....

Earth is thought to have formed as a hot and dry rocky body, meaning its water content must have been delivered after the planet cooled. Possible candidates for supplying the water are comets and asteroids that impacted the early Earth....

ICE FROM ASTEROIDS could be the solution to the mystery...
The Enduring—Yet Downplayed—Mysteries of Comets
Michael Goodspeed, 01/05/2008

Though it would be irrational to categorically exclude the possibility of ice, our probes have revealed scorched surfaces looking more like burnt rocks than "dirty snowballs." THEY (COMETS) ARE, IN FACT, BARELY DISTINGUISHABLE FROM ICE-FREE ASTEROIDS....

Proponents of standard theory have long claimed comets are "Rosetta stones" that can help us decipher the origins of the solar system. But the notion was dealt a devastating blow by the findings of NASA's Stardust Mission. The tiny fragments of comet dust that the mission brought back to Earth did not accrete in the cold of space, but were formed under "astonishingly" high temperatures....

"In the coldest part of the solar system we've found samples that formed at extremely high temperatures," said Donald Brownlee, Stardust's principal investigator. "When these minerals formed they were either red hot or white hot grains, and yet they were collected in a comet, the Siberia of the Solar System."...


Consider also the jets of comet Hale-Bopp, which began discharging (seven jets) while it was still too far from the Sun for a "snowball" to melt....

The Enduring Mysteries of Comets

Charles Q. Choi, 24 Dec 07

Comets so close to the sun?

For years scientists thought comets slamming against the newborn Earth helped deliver water to a once dry planet. But roughly a decade ago this view was shaken by the discovery that the water in comets and Earth's oceans did not match up in terms of hydrogen isotopes....

But the mainstream is not yet ready to abandon the notion of primordial comets dumping copious amounts of water onto Earth. The article continues: "In the last two years, however, researchers have discovered comets in the outer part of the asteroid belt. These 'main-belt comets' may have the right levels of hydrogen isotopes, and are perhaps close enough to Earth to have realistically brought us the seas....

The main-belt comets are themselves a mystery. Until their discovery, researchers had largely supposed no comets could have lasted that close to the sun without getting baked away after a few centuries or millennia.

Dirt coatings on main-belt comets could have protected them from sunlight for billions of years. Every now and again boulders a yard or larger tumbling around the asteroid belt might hit these comets, uncovering their ice and triggering the plumes of gas and dust that got them discovered in the first place.

"We expect to soon find many hundreds or thousands of main-belt comets," Jewitt said.

Death By Cosmic Pinball

Astronomers triangulate the source of the dinosaur destroyer.
by Sarah Bates, 12-3-07

The dinosaurs’ fate may have been sealed by a piece of shrapnel from a cosmic collision that occurred long before the asteroid smashed into the Yucatán Peninsula 65 million years ago. Poring through a database of objects in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter, scientists at the Southwest Research Institute in Boulder, Colorado, found debris from an ancient collision. In a chaotic cluster of asteroid shards, scientists glimpsed a void—evidence that part of the cluster had moved toward the inner planets, possibly sending the killer asteroid to Earth....


By Michael Goodspeed, 12/07/07

The German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer once said, "The discovery of truth is prevented more effectively, not by the false appearance things present and which mislead into error, not directly by weakness of the reasoning powers, but by preconceived opinion, by prejudice." The most fundamental "prejudice" that has directed the space sciences for decades is the belief that space is electrically inert. Throughout the Space Age, every new discovery has been interpreted through a lens that views gravity and gravity alone as the force that shapes the heavens....

But more than forty years ago, the British journal Spaceflight published the laboratory experiments of Brian J. Ford, an amateur astronomer who raised the possibility that most of the craters on the moon were carved by cosmic electrical discharge. (Spaceflight 7, January, 1965).

In the cited experiments Ford used a spark-machining apparatus to reproduce in miniature some of the most puzzling lunar features, including craters with central peaks, small craters preferentially perched on the high rims of larger craters, and craters strung out in long chains. He also observed that the ratio of large to small craters on the Moon matched the ratio seen in electrical arcing....

The notion of planetary instability and violent electric arcing between planets and moons is totally incompatible with most everything astronomers believe about space physics and celestial mechanics.

Ironically, even as astronomers codified the electrically neutral solar system, the leading pioneers of plasma science were observing stupendous electric forces in space, and documenting the analogs in laboratory discharge phenomena. The father of plasma science, Hannes Alfven, when receiving the Noble prize in physics in 1970, admonished astronomers and cosmologists for ignoring the role of electric currents in the evolution of cosmic bodies....

For today's electrical theorists, no small adjustment to perception will suffice. A sweeping revision is necessary, one that recognizes the predictable effect when a charged planet or moon moves through an electrified plasma. Where field strength is high, the result will be global electric discharge, as cosmic "thunderbolts" rake across the surface, creating entirely new topography.

Allow this possibility, and the exploration of solar system history is radically altered....

The image above -- provided by Michael Gmirkin and NASA's World Wind 3D software -- shows two dominating Martian craters that share "inconceivable" similarities. These supposed "impact" craters are placed side by side, both with central peaks terminating in CRATERS.

Although the 3D visualization exaggerates depth, the impact hypothesis faces apparently insurmountable difficulties. No formative process envisioned by planetary science ever anticipated central peaks of craters terminating in a second crater....

But they have no reasonable analog for the steep peaks witnessed above, and the idea of two secondary impacts striking these peaks head-on is simply beyond belief. It should be obvious, therefore, that the presence of two craters exhibiting the same anomaly, and standing side-by-side, categorically excludes the impact hypothesis.

Electrical discharge experiments readily produce craters with central peaks....

Rampart craters, like the one shown in the above THEMIS image, are surrounded by a "moat" (red arrow) that's deeper than the original ground level and an outer "rampart" (blue arrow) that's higher than both the moat and the surrounding terrain. The outer rampart seems to have "flowed" away from the crater, rather than to have been ejected.

From an ELECTRIC UNIVERSE point of view, these craters are enormous "FULGAMITES," raised blisters like those found on the metal caps of lightning arrestors after a lightning strike. Because the whole blister is lifted above the surface by the lightning arc, the crater at the top is not necessarily deeper than the elevation of the original surface around it. The material forming the raised fulgamite is scavenged from the surroundings, leaving a "moat" below the surface level.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Unleavened bread x Firsfruits

I came across this website
where the author (Miriam) believes that the first rapture will be on the Firsfruits day.

I'd love to read your comments about it. I don't necessarily agree with all the items she defends (item # 8 seems confusing to me), but Firstfruits day seems to make more sense because of Romans 6:5. ("For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection").

I think that the exact day shouldn't make much difference for us because we should be preparing ourselves (making ourselves ready as the Bride) each and every day. My concern is more a conceptual than a practical one. Best regards

My reply

Thanks for sending me this URL. Miriam Howard has done a lot of good research to put this together. I agree with much of it, but not all. My projected date for the Pre-Trib Rapture is April 26, 2008. It is Saturday, Nisan 21, 5768, the 7th day of Unleavened Bread.

Her date for the Rapture is the next day, Sunday, Nisan 22 (April 27). Why? She thinks Nisan 22 is Firstfruits, because it is the next Sunday after the Feast of Unleavened Bread in 2008.

I think Nisan 16 is Firstfruits, because all feast days are Sabbaths, holy convocations, days of rest. Nisan 14 and 15 are locked in as the Feasts of Passover and Unleavened Bread, no matter which days they fall on. The 15th is the first day of Unleavened Bread. The 16th is day 2. The 17th is day 3. The 18th is day 4. The 19th is day 5. The 20th is day 6, and the 21st is day 7.

Lev. 23:4-7 says, "These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein. But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day (Nisan 21) is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein."

When the first 3 feasts were fulfilled in 30 AD, Nisan 14 was Friday. Nisan 15 was Saturday, and Nisan 16 was Sunday, the Feast of Firstfruits, I think Nisan 16 is Firstfruits, no matter what day of the week it is on. The preceding day, the Feast of Unleavened Bread, is a Sabbath, so there is no need to think that Firstfruits has to follow the Saturday Sabbath.

Miriam thinks the Crucifixion was on Wednesday. I think the Crucifixion was Thursday. Jesus' three days and three nights in the heart of the Earth were Thursday (day), Friday (night then day), Saturday (night then day) and Sunday (night). Scripture doesn't say that it was 72 hours, as some assume. Scripture says that it was on the preparation of the Passover, so it was Thursday.

> > If the Lord chooses THIS Sabbatical cycle of Israel, the resurrection/rapture WILL occur at the end of the Sabbath, at the beginning of Firstfruits, which will be on "the morrow after the sabbath," on April 26/27th, on Nisan 21/22, in Israel. It is interesting that that first "morrow after the sabbath" after Passover, will fall on the 7th and final day of Passover, as Nisan 14, falls on the prior Sabbath. Remember, that the final 7th day of the Passover week is referred to this way in Leviticus 23:3: > > ".....but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. "

> > In other words, the Bride of Christ will be "gathered" at the end of the weekly Sabbath but also, next year, on a day that is declared by the Lord to be "a sabbath of rest, an holy convocation."

She thinks Firstfruits has to be on Sunday following the Saturday Sabbath. However, all Feasts are Holy Convocations, annual Sabbaths, days of rest when no work can be done. I think the Passover is a high day, a sabbath of rest on Nisan 14. The first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a day of rest, Nisan 15, and the second day of unleavened Bread is Firstfruits, a day of rest, Nisan 16. They are all three Sabbaths. In 30 AD, they lined up on April 7 (Friday), April 8 (Saturday) and April 9 (Sunday).

> > Romans 6:5: "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection.

Does that mean we have to be raised on Sunday? I doubt it. Rom 6:5-11 says, "For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin. Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Do we have to be baptized on the day of the week that his Crucifixion took place, Thursday? No. Then do we have to be raised on the day of his Resurrection, Sunday? I wish I could remember how to tell which type of Greek "if" that is. There are three types of Greek "ifs." One means if, maybe we will or maybe we won't. Does anyone know which type of "if" is used in Romans 6:5?

Concerning baptism, I Cor. 12:13 says, "For by one Spirit (the Holy Spirit) are we all baptized into one body (the Body of Christ), whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

Let's look closely at the type, when the Israelites were given Jericho.

Joshua 5:10-14 says, "the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and KEPT THE PASSOVER ON THE FOURTEENTH day of the month (NISAN 14) at even (i.e., 6 PM on Nisan 13, when the 14th began) IN THE PLAINS OF JERICHO.

11 And they did eat of the OLD CORN of the land ON THE MORROW AFTER THE PASSOVER (i.e., on the FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, NISAN 15), unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day.

Jos 5:12 And the manna ceased on THE MORROW (NISAN 16, FEAST OF FIRSTFRUITS) after they had eaten of the OLD CORN of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but THEY DID EAT OF THE FRUIT of the land of Canaan that year.

Jos 5:13,14 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho (he was 'in the plains of Jericho' ON NISAN 14, PASSOVER, Joshua 5:10), that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, THERE STOOD A MAN OVER AGAINST HIM WITH HIS SWORD DRAWN IN HIS HAND (Rev 1:16 says of Jesus, 'he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a SHARP TWOEDGED SWORD): and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I NOW COME (ON NISAN 14). And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith MY LORD unto his servant?...

Jos 6:2-5 And THE LORD said unto Joshua (STILL ON NISAN 14, Passover), See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valour. And YE SHALL (i.e., tomorrow, Nisan 15, Feast of Unleavened Bread) COMPASS THE CITY, all ye men of war, and GO ROUND ABOUT THE CITY ONCE (i.e., starting on NISAN 15). THUS SHALT THOU DO SIX DAYS (NISAN 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20). And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the SEVENTH DAY (NISAN 21) ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets. And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and THE PEOPLE SHALL ASCEND UP every man straight before him."

They were given Jericho on Nisan 21, the 7th day of Unleavened Bread. The 7 days of Unleavened Bread were set up on Nisan 15-21, because Jericho was going to be given Israel after they circled it on Nisan 15-21. I think that circling, blowing trumpets, shouting and falling of Jericho on Nisan 21 was a type of the First-Trump Rapture, when we go up to New Jerusalem on Nisan 21.

Mirium thinks the Crucifixion was on Wednesday. I think it was on Thursday, because it was on the preparation of the Passover. Since the Passover was Friday, the preparation of the Passover was on Thursday. Jesus was in the heart of the Earth three days and three nights. They were Thursday (day), Friday (night then day), Saturday (night then day), and Sunday (night).

> > The resurrection/rapture of the church will CLOSE the day of Christ Jesus, and the day of the Lord will OPEN immediately thereafter!

I think the First-Trump Rapture will be The Day of Christ, and the Day of the Lord will not come until the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets at the end of the shortened Tribulation. That day is the day of the 2nd Rapture, not the 1st Rapture.

Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come." The day of the Pre-Trib Rapture is not the Day of Destruction. The day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture is the Day of Destruction, and no other day like it has ever happened.

Joel 2:1,2 says, "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; THERE HATH NOT BEEN EVER THE LIKE".

> > Since the days of the Two Witnesses are counted out EXACTLY in Scripture, they will arrive on Earth on DAY 1 of the Tribulation, which begins with 'the Travail,' just as the Bride departs for heaven.

I agree.

> > Daniel's "70" weeks prophecy IS overlaid on Israel's Sabbatical cycle. 70x7 = 490 years. 490 years = 10 Jubilee cycles of 49 years. Therefore, the FIRST year of the 490 years had to be a 7th year just as the LAST year of the 490 years MUST also land on Israel's 7th year.

I agree that the 490 years began with a Sabbatical Year, 457 BC, the year Ezra returned to Jerusalem, but don't think the detached last 7 years have to begin with a Sabbatical Year.

Why not? The last year of the Tribulation has to be in a Hebrew Leap Year, because there are 7 months from Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets, Day of God's Wrath, to Nisan 1, day of the Second Advent, so Israel can bury the dead to cleanse the land for Jesus' return in glory (Eze. 39:12,13).

> > But in addition, the final year of the prophecy WILL also be a 49th year, as well as the FINAL 490th year! (From history, we are able to document that the beginning year of the prophecy was ALSO a 49th year.)
> > Every Jewish Sabbatical year divides equally by 7. Example: 5768/ 7 = 824. 457/456 b.c. was Jewish year 3304. 3304 / 7 = 472.

I agree, and the 483-year span ended in 27 AD. That was locked in by Jesus' reading Isa. 61:1,2 in the synagogue in Nazareth. It was on the Day of Atonement 10 days after he was 30 years old on Tishri 1. He was beginning his ministry. He was about thirty, and was announcing the Jubilee Year that would begin the following Nisan 1.

Luke 4:18-21 says, "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord (i.e., the Jubilee). And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

> > Tishri 1, 26 a.d. to Nisan 1, 30 a.d. = 3.5 years, the first half of Daniel's '70'th week

I don't think the 70th week has begun yet.

Dan. 8:13,14 says, "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." It will be cleansed on the Feast of Trumpets that is also the Day of God's Wrath.

I expect the 70th week of Daniel to start on Pentecost in 2009. Why? Because there are 2300 days between Pentecost in 2009 and the Feast of Trumpets in 2015. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Jews seek after a sign? Look At The Menorah, 7+15+4=26 Genisis 32:24-30vr, 10+5+19+21+19=74

Praise The Lord; God is truly amazing, I am 50 years old born on 08-09-57, my lovely wife and kids gave me a surprise trip to Israel, which i absolutely had no knowledge of before it was revealed to me on last year on my 50th birthday, i left for Israel on November 6th 2007 and returned on November 16th 2007, words would fail me to tell of the GREAT TIME i had in the Lord there, as i was reading some of your e- mail on your site, i was tickle to see more confirmation concerning my gift and place on the Body of Christ.

In 1989 He responded to me to polish his feet with His hands well as you know now, i am a part of the LION of the tribe of Judah, quite fitting for me to be born in the month which is associated with Him, notice also he told me to polish His feet? wonder why? It is no doubt in mind mind that we are at the end of the Church Age and as a hold, look where His Hands are today? Revelation 3:20th vr, the professing church members of today is at ease with the worldly pleasure of today, and FEW there be that find IT, even in my assembly they are skeptical, well if they did it to the green tree what should we expect to be measure out to us? it is a good sign that we are related to THE ONE.

My reply

I'm happy that you got to go to Israel. Do you have any idea of where on the Mt. of Olives they would kill the red heifer?

I would like to see where one would have to stand on the Mt. of Olives to see into the Temple that was built between where the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque are now. I think the foundation of the wall that they found south of the Dome of the Rock was the dividing line between the Temple court and Fort Antonia. Josephus said that the rock was in Fort Antonia, where a legion of troops was stationed. Agape

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