Pro and Con 1386

Posted 1-20-08


Incoming e-mail, Re: New Comet

For info, the first comet discovery for 2008, C/2008 A1 McNaught, currently in Puppis will slowly brighten this year and pass by the bottom of the cross, Acrux, Crux on September 13-14, 2008 at a bout 9.9 magnitude. It will not be visible from the US southern area until later in Oct-Nov as it moves into the tail of the Scorpion and begins to fade ~10 mag. Gary

My reply, Re: A SIGN

Thanks. Comet McNaught now in Puppis (the Poop Deck of the ship Argo) is a good sign. Argo means a company of travelers. Christ's face is on the ship. It stands for the Rapture. Agape

WOW! ANOTHER SIGN: SUPERNOVA SN2008D, Jan. 11, 2008, in the constellation Lynx

"Supernova Factory NGC 2770"

"The stellar explosions known as supernovae are among the most powerful events in the universe. Triggered by the collapsing core of a massive star or the nuclear demise of a white dwarf, supernovae occur in average spiral galaxies only about once every century. But the remarkable spiral galaxy NGC 2770 has lately produced more than its fair share. Two still bright supernovae and the location of a third, originally spotted in 1999 but now faded from view, are indicated in this image of the edge-on spiral. All three supernovae are now thought to be of the core-collapse variety, but the most recent of the trio, SN2008D, was first detected by the Swift satellite at more extreme energies as an X-ray flash (XRF) or possibly a low-energy version of a gamma-ray burst on January 9th. Located a mere 90 million light-years away in the northern constellation Lynx, NGC 2770 is now the closest galaxy known to host such a powerful supernova event."

Incoming e-mail

I was reading your article on the possible pre trib rapture being Aprtil 26th of this year. I thought I would share something with you that I discovered some time ago in my study of prophecy. From the time that Israel took Jerusalem in the six day war unto Heshavan 17 ( Nov. 7th) 2006, using the jewish calendar, was forty years to the day. Heshvan 17 was the day the rain started and the flood began. On top of that it was Billy Graham's birthday. lol I thought for sure something big would occur on that date but of course I was wrong and it didn't. After reading your article, I got to thinking that maybe there is a short time period between the forty years and the first rapture. I also noticed that on the exact day, Nisan 21, moses parted the red sea. I just thought I would share this with you and hopefully your date of April 26, will be correct. May the Lord bless you always.

My reply

Thanks much. The Six-Day War began Iyar 26, 5727 (June 5, 1967). Add 40 years, and we come to Iyar 26, 5767. The year 5767 ended when 5768 began Sept. 13, 2007. By the Jewish Calendar, the 40 years have already passed.

Maybe someone used a 360-day year, but that length for a year is just for quick estimates. It is like our use of a 30-day month to estimate interest. We don't pay interest that way. It is just for estimates. Literal Jewish years can be 354, 355, 356, 384, 385 or 386 days. Leap Years have the 13th month. That is too complicated to figure exactly for estimates, so the 360-day year is often used. Also, I think 1260 days can represent the estimate for 3.5 years if no leap year is involved, and 1290 days can represent the estimate for 3.5 years if a leap year is involved, as is the case with the last year of the Tribulation. Eze. 39:12,13 reveals that there are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath (Tishri 1) and the Second Advent (Nisan 1). That has to be a leap year.

It looks like Noah used the 360-day year when he couldn't see the sky. As soon as he could figure out the exact day, he recorded exact dates.

> > I got to thinking that maybe there is a short time period between the forty years and the first rapture.

I agree. Since 5767 ended last September 13, we have already lived past the mark, so there is some amount of time between the end of the 40th year and the Rapture. How long seems to be demonstrated by the date that Israel took Jericho.

> > I also noticed that on the exact day, Nisan 21, moses parted the red sea.

What does Scripture indicate? De. 16:8 says, "Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the LORD thy God: thou shalt do no work therein." Nisan 21st must mark something important. I think it is the Pre-Trib Rapture.

The Lord killed the firstborn of Egypt at midnight, the 6th hour of Nisan 14, the Passover. By this act, the Lord set them free from Egypt. All that remained was for them to move out. The death of the firstborn caused Pharoah to tell them, while it was still the night of the 14th, to leave Egypt. During the remainder of that night and during the 12-hour daylight portion of Nisan 14, they hurredly packed up what they could take with them, borrowed things from the Egyptians, and assembled in Rameses.

Nu. 33:3-8 gives the details following that. It says, "they DEPARTED FROM RAMESES in the first month, on the FIFTEENTH DAY of the first month; on the morrow after the passover (i.e., on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 15) the children of Israel went out with an high hand (does that mean waving goodbye?) in the sight of all the Egyptians. For the Egyptians buried all their firstborn, which the LORD had smitten among them: upon their gods also the LORD executed judgments. And the children of Israel REMOVED FROM RAMESES (Nisan 15), and PITCHED IN SUCCOTH (end of Nisan 15). And they departed from Succoth, and PITCHED IN ETHAM (end of Nisan 16), which is in the edge of the wilderness. And they removed from Etham, and TURNED AGAIN UNTO PIHAHIROTH, which is before Baalzephon: and they PITCHED BEFORE MIGDOL (end of Nisan 17). And they DEPARTED FROM BEFORE PIHAHIROTH, and PASSED THROUGH THE MIDST OF THE SEA into the wilderness (Nisan 18), and went three days' journey (Nisan 19, 20, and 21) in the wilderness of Etham, and PITCHED IN MARAH" (on Nisan 21, the 7th day of Unleavened Bread). If I counted the days correctly, they crossed the Red Sea on Nisan 18. Their sacrificing to the Lord would have been three days after that, i.e., on the 7th day of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 21.


I think the Israelites circled Jericho 7 times on the 7th day, because Saturn, Heaven, has 7 rings. Jericho means his moon (a sphere), or his month. I think Jesus' month is Nisan, month of the Crucifixion, Resurrection and Second Advent. Maybe it is also the month that Jesus will come for his Bride.

Zech. 3:8,9 (LITV) says, "Hear now, O Joshua (type of Christ) the high priest, you and your associates who are sitting before you; for THEY ARE MEN OF SYMBOL (mopheth, miracle, sign, wonder, men who shadow future events). For, behold, I will bring forth My Servant, the BRANCH (Jesus from the Greek, Joshua from the Hebrew). For behold, the stone (i.e., planet) which I have given before Joshua (i.e., Jesus), on the one stone (i.e., the planet Saturn) are seven eyes (orbs, circles, rings)."

Why did they circle Jericho once a day for 6 days before circling the city 7 times on the 7th day? Circling the city 7 days may represent the planets, including the Sun that Josephus said the Temple lampstand represented. The circle on the 1st day could suggest the Sun. The circle on the 2nd day could suggest Mercury. The 3rd circle could suggest Venus, the 4th Earth, the 5th Mars, the 6th Jupiter, and the 7th Saturn. Circling Jericho 7 times on the 7th day portrayed Saturn's 7 rings.


In Eze. 1:1, Ezekiel looked up at the sky and said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." Verses 26-28 say, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets flying in concentric orbits) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne, as (symbolic language) the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus, both man and God) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (I call Saturn a butter and honey star, because honey is amber colored), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were (symbolic language) the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (Saturn's rings). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain (i.e., from sunlight shining on ice crystals), so was the appearance of the brightness round about (i.e., of the rings). This was the appearance of the likeness (symbolic language) of the glory of the LORD."

Sapphire is September's birthstone. It means Heaven, and Jesus was born September 4, 5 BC (Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets). Sapphire also means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. I think Jesus' throne is on Saturn, the planet with 7 rings.

At Sinai, Ex. 24:10 says, "THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL (the pre-incarnate Christ; Isa. 44:6): and THERE WAS UNDER HIS FEET AS IT WERE A PAVED WORK OF A SAPPHIRE STONE, AND AS IT WERE THE BODY OF HEAVEN (heavenly body) in his (or its) clearness."

Paul was caught up to Saturn, Paradise, the third heaven (Mars, Jupiter and Saturn). In 2 Cor. 12:2-4, Paul said, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.)"

There are two Raptures, Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath. 2 Sam. 22:10-18 says of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, "He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen (the Sign of the Son of Man) upon the wings of the wind. And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them. And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils. HE SENT FROM ABOVE, HE TOOK ME, HE DREW ME OUT OF MANY WATERS; He delivered me from my strong enemy (Gog's army, Eze. 38:20), and from them that hated me: for they were too strong for me."

In Psalm 18:10-21, David said, "he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies. At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire. The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire. Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them. Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils. HE SENT FROM ABOVE, HE TOOK ME, he drew me out of many waters. He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me. They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay. HE BROUGHT ME FORTH ALSO INTO A LARGE PLACE (Saturn); he delivered me, because he delighted in me. The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness (i.e., at the Judgment Seat of Christ); according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Lights out in Jerusalem?

Interesting that the prez has requested 'lights out' in jer for sunrise so he can observe a darker sky in the am and sunrise over the western wall which is east of the king david hotel. What is he looking for, perhaps to watch mars cross the orion stargate next few days in the west and jup rise in the east before the sun, Spica/Arcturus/Gacrux transit in the south to zenith between 5-6am befoe sunrise, Venus/Antares conjunction. new moon rising in the west after sunset along with mercury becoming visible. lots to see. Comet holmes closes in on Algol this week and Tuttle passes thru v of pisces. messenger probe circles mercury for first visit in 33 yrs. and cassini photos moon Titan sight for the summer crash of this probe into Titan and Cassini into Saturn.Gary

My reply

Thanks. Three comets seems like a SIGN too. If it was up to me, I wouldn't crash anything into Saturn. Agape


By Marilyn Agee

At times, the Lord uses animation to teach. Balaam's ass speaks. Planets have wings. They can speak, sing and fly. Job, the oldest book in the Bible, gives us an example. Job 38:7 speaks of a time "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy". The morning stars are the planets that at certain times in their orbits rise in our morning sky. God's creations show forth his greatness. I go to Astronomy Picture of the Day the last thing at night, and sit in awe of his creations. Rom. 1:20 says that "the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead".

Think about four animated planets when you read Ezekiel 1 and 10. Their concentric orbits are like wheels within wheels. Those four terrestrial inner planets are given wings, because they fly. They sparkle like the colour of burnished brass in spite of their bodies being covered by two of their wings. They turn in every direction, because they rotate as they orbit in all four cardinal directions of the compass. One of them is the Earth. Eze. 1:15 says, "as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel (orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his (Earth's) four faces." It is spherical, so it faces all four directions. It also orbits in all four directions.

This picture gives substance to the words of Psalm 18:16-20. It says, "He sent from above, he took me (i.e., in the Pre-Wrath Rapture), he drew me out of many waters (when the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea). He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me. They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay. He brought me forth also into A LARGE PLACE (Saturn is much larger than Earth); he delivered me, because he delighted in me. The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me."

Think about animated planets when you read Isaiah 6:1-3. It tells us about the seraphim, which means burners. They are given speech as well as wings. It says, "I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne (i.e., Saturn, Eze. 1:26-28), high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it (i.e., farther out in space) stood the seraphims (outer planets, burners whose cores give off heat, and whose thick clouds conserve it): each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face (i.e., the upper part), and with twain he covered his feet (i.e., the lower part so it's body looked feathered like a bird), and with twain he did fly. And one (planet) cried unto another, and said, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, IS THE LORD OF HOSTS (i.e., YHWH, the Redeemer, Isa. 44:6): the whole EARTH (one of the cherubim, Eze. 1:15) is full of his glory."

In Rev. 4:6-11, the seraphim are called beasts. It says, "In the midst of the Throne (Saturn, Jesus' Throne in Heaven; Eze. 1:26-28), and round about the Throne (all orbiting in concentric circles), were FOUR BEASTS (Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune) full of eyes before and behind (full orbs, i.e., 4 spheres). And the First Beast was like a LION (facing east, i.e., like the faces on the flags set at the compass points when Israel camped in the desert), and the Second Beast like a CALF (west), and the Third Beast had a face as a MAN (south), and the Fourth Beast was like a FLYING EAGLE (i.e., north). And the four Beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes (full orbs, i.e., spheres) within; and they rest not day or night, saying, HOLY, HOLY, HOLY, LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, WHICH WAS, AND IS, AND IS TO COME."

Jupiter and Uranus can also be called cherubim. Isa. 37:16 says, "O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims (i.e., on Saturn, between Jupiter and Uranus), thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth."

Incoming e-mail, Re: The Jews seek after a sign? Look At The Menorah, 7+15+4=26 Genisis 32:24-30vr, 10+5+19+21+19=74

Praise The Lord, Marilyn. If one would unplug an electric clock and walk away from it for about 2000 years, and come back to plug it in, where would it take off from? (DEUTERONOMY 16:1st vr), the Rapture of His beloved Bride will be the signal for the beginning of the 70th week.

The Messiah was cut off out of the land of the living when? In the New Moon on our soleum feast day? Psalms 81-3? I am so thankful of the information you sent me, Psalms 19? also keep an eye on March 21-22 2008? Biblical Account re: the 1st month for 5768 ADAR.II 14-15?


My reply

Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.

April 10, 2008 is Nisan 5, 5768.
April 10, 2009 is Nisan 16, 5769, Firstfruits.

May 29, 2009 is Sivan 6, 5769. I think that is when the shortened Tribulation will begin, because there are 2300 days, by inclusive reckoning, between that and Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). See Dan. 8:13,14 for the 2300 days.

Psa 81:3 says, "Blow up the trumpet in the new moon (Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets), in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day. There is a full moon on Passover. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: question

Iím honored by your knowledge and understanding, enjoyed read about your discoveries

I was told that a 490 yr cycle may have ended 10-31-2007 ??

I have been receiving information through words that we may be entering into a release of a 2nd church in which we believers will be in clear conversation with the holy ghost to include hidden secrets and gifts ?? Thank you

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

Yes, there have been 490 years since 10-31-1517, when Martin Luther, professor of Biblical Interpretation at the University of Wittenberg, started the Protestant Reformation when he tacked his 95 theses to the door of the church in Wittenberg, Germany.

That was in the Hebrew 5278. God listed 400 years, 430 years, 450 years and 490 years in the Bible. Look what happens when we add them to 5278.

5278 + 400 = 5678 (our 1917/1918) - in 1917, the modern Exodus began
5278 + 430 = 5708 (our 1947/1948) - in 1948, Israel declared her Independence
5278 + 450 = 5728 (our 1967/1968) - in 1967, the Six-Day War was the Sign of the End of the Age
5278 + 490 = 5768 (our 2007/2008) - I'm hoping for the Pre-Trib Rapture on April 26, 2008, the 7th day of Unleavened Bread

Incoming e-mail, Re:

Thank You for all your good Biblical postings!!
Below is a interesting posting by the Temple Mount Faithful. Whew..everything is ready for the 3rd Temple..including the 'red heifer'!!!

I found your 'seven day' warning interesting. Could be that the USA is attacked on April 19, 2008...then the Rapture..then people will say...oh those Christians are just out there hiding somewhere. Anyway.."Even So Come Lord Jesus!!!!!!

My reply

Thaks for your kind words. Agape

Incoming e-mail

I was looking at the 5 doves site and found a basic; but interesting comment that timing of the Rapture is going to be a separate event than all other Tribulation events effecting the Jews afterwards. Therefore; I believe this could occur anytime; and likely not at a day cooincidental with any expected Jewish holy days. I had a talk with a lady a couple weeks back who gave me the best explanation I have heard (you probably know all this anyway); but she explained that as the perpetual Priest Christ has been our intercessor and will continue indefinitively until God the Father says "enough" or something to that effect; and we are out of here. This would explain why not even the "Son knows the day and the hour"; only God Himself. It would be nice to think that some sort of specific warning; perhaps 30 days; 10 days; or 7 days or 24 hours would be given to those discerning of His coming; but an instant trumpet call at any time is something we all should be prepared for. It may seem overly redundant; but I would like to just be out preaching if I knew He was coming even say; before the end of this year--but with all the "revel ations" of late being false of His coming (most notably; 2007); I don't even trust my own perceptions. I know what I saw though; although as any date of certainty past the event which I saw on 12/26; God will have to make that crystal clear; to me and hopefully many others if it is a certainty. Gotta run; Love in Him

My reply

> > she explained that as the perpetual Priest Christ has been our intercessor and will continue indefinitively until God the Father says "enough" or something to that effect; and we are out of here. This would explain why not even the "Son knows the day and the hour"; only God Himself.

I don't believe that. First, let's look at Mt. 24:36. Jesus said, "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." In English, "knoweth" is present tense. No one knew on that day. In Greek, it is the word "eido." Strongs says it is "A primary verb; used only in certain PAST tenses." It has nothing whatsoever to do with what we can or can't know today.

Mark 13:23 says, "But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL THINGS."

Amos 3:7 says, "Surely the Lord GOD will do NOTHING , but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets."

Luke 8:17 says, "NOTHING is secret, that shall not be made manifest: neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad."

Luke 12:2 says, "For there is NOTHING covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known."

Mark 4:22,23 says, "For there is NOTHING hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear."

> > an instant trumpet call at any time is something we all should be prepared for

That is correct. No one knows when they might die. Better be right with the Lord at all times. We might not get another chance. Another reason, our rewards. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Jewish feasts

Thank you so much for your quick answer.

What I meant by Pentecost not having been fulfilled yet had to do with the end time prophetic events (a second fulfillment). Of course the Holy Spirit being given to the Church was a fulfillment, but I always thought there would be a double layer for this date, because of the importance of the rapture of the Bride. I read somewhere that in Hebrew, the word for feasts in the Bible mean "appointed times" and I thought that the Bride's rapture would me marked by one of the Feasts. I think that this is still a very strong possibility.

I liked you remark about us having to confess our sins NOW and getting things right with God. I think that this is more important than knowing the exact day. I would like to add that we also should reconcile with the people that might have anything against us, and prepare ourselves to leave behind all our material possessions and lusts of this world. I find it very interesting that Jesus himself warned: "remember Lot's wife". We should eagerly expect and love Jesus' return much much more than we love our Sodoma's house, material possessions and lifestyle. On the rapture date we shouldn't look back to the things of this world. Loving them more than meeting our Bridegroom in heaven would certaily disqualify us to be part of the Bride.

God bless you and help us all to be worthy to be a part of the first group to be raptured. I was talking yestarday to my mother (referring to the first rapture as "our rapture" and talking about Daniel Rydstedt's ebooks) and she very appropriately reminded me that no one should be 100% sure of having such honor. Even Paul (the Apostle) wasn't totallly sure about that (at least when he wore to the first letter to the Corinthians), saying that he himself could be a castaway. We should be striving to deserve this prize each and every day. I think we have to watch our spiritual condition more than anything else.

Congratulations for your wonderful dedication and work. Agape

P.S.: allow me to suggest that you use different colors for your paragraphs and other people's paragraphs (or e-mails). For example black for your text and dark blue for other people's texts. This helps us knowing what ideas are yours and what ideas you are merely citing.

My reply

You are right. We should all make sure we are ready at all times.

As for changing colors, I'm not sure I should try it. I'm 79, and have cataracts in both eyes. My computer is set up for low vision. I don't see colors except in images. All backgrounds are off white, all letters black, unless it's a link. Colors I use for headings were set up long ago on the template. If I missed putting in one HTML code to end the colored font, the rest of the page would be that color, and I wouldn't know it. Also, I have less time to spend on it now that my husband can't do a lot of things for himself. He's 83 and has Parkinsons. Agape

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