Pro and Con 1387

Posted 1-27-08

Jericho Walls Could Not Just Fall

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Monday, 28 May 2007, © 2003 Joe Buckeye, OK to forward intact
You probably know the story about Jericho. It is told in chapter six of Joshua in The Bible and what a miracle story it is. I have been there. There is more to the story that archeology has literally uncovered.

The wall around the city was forty feet thick at the bottom. It sloped inward on both the outside and inside. This made it much stronger than if the sides went straight up. The top was twenty feet wide with a road around the city up there. Just like people gather along the track to watch horse and auto races today, they lined the top of the wall then to watch chariot races go around the city up there.

They still, today, study the wall laying there and cannot understand how even an earthquake could cause this exceptionally strong and well-designed wall TO FALL OUTWARD AND WHOLE. The top stones did not shake loose and fall down the sloping side, then to be covered up in a heap by other, lower stones; IT TIPPED OVER as a whole piece. Impossible!

There is a bigger lesson to this story than I have ever heard or read. Joshua didn't know how God (Jesus, our manufacturers rep) would do it, but Joshua did believe. Joshua also did what he was told. Imagine how he felt having people walk around the walled city and blowing shofars (rams horns). The residents of the city undoubtedly lined the top and laughed and shouted at the Israelites. Joshua ignored them (he probably heard complaints among his own people) and he continued to do what he was supposed to do. That is faith. We should learn as much.

Please forward this to everyone. Thanks, Joe Buckeye (McCullough 4-4-1)

MJA note: For a different view, see below.

Scientists discover proof The wall of Jericho DID fall!

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/jericho-kids.html

...Archaeologist Dr. Bryant Wood (see picture below) stands beside piles of bricks from the collapsed city wall that were found in 1997 at the base of the city ruins, proving that "THE WALL FELL BENEATH ITSELF."...

Is the Bible accurate concerning the destruction of the walls of Jericho?

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a011.html

s What caused the strong walls of Jericho to collapse? The most likely explanation is an earthquake. But the nature of the earthquake was unusual. It struck in such a way as to allow a portion of the city wall on the north side of the site to remain standing, while everywhere else the wall fell.

Rahab's house was evidently located on the north side of the city.

THE WALLS OF JERICHO

http://biblicalstudies.qldwide.net.au/cs-walls_of_jericho.html
by Bryant Wood
v Archaeology confirms: they really DID come a-tumblin’ down....

The mound, or ‘tell’ of Jericho was surrounded by a great earthen rampart, or embankment, with a stone retaining wall at its base. The retaining wall was some four to five metres (12 - 15 feet) high. On top of that was a mudbrick wall two metres (six feet) thick and about six to eight metres (20 - 26 feet) high. 4 At the crest of the embankment was a similar mudbrick wall whose base was roughly 14 metres (46 feet) above the ground level outside the retaining wall. This is what loomed high above the Israelites as they marched around the city each day for seven days. Humanly speaking, it was impossible for the Israelites to penetrate the impregnable bastion of Jericho....

After the seventh trip around the city on the seventh day, Scripture tells us that the wall ‘fell down flat’ (Joshua 6:20). The Hebrew here carried the suggestion that it ‘fell beneath itself.’ 5 Is there evidence for such an event at Jericho? It turns out that there is ample evidence that the mudbrick city wall collapsed and was deposited at the base of the stone retaining wall at the time the city met its end....

Kenyon’s work was the most detailed. On the west side of the tell, at the base of the retaining, or revetment, wall, she found,

‘fallen red bricks piling nearly to the top of the revetment. These probably came from the wall on the summit of the bank [and/or] . . . the brickwork above the revetment.’...

...After the city walls fell, how did the Israelites surmount the four to five metre (12-15 foot) high retaining wall at the base of the tell? Excavations have shown that the bricks from the collapsed walls formed a ramp against the retaining wall so that the Israelites could merely climb up over the top. The Bible is very precise in its description of how the Israelites entered the city: ‘the people went up into the city, every man straight before him [i.e., straight up and over],’ (Joshua 6:20). The Israelites had to go up, and that is what archaeology has revealed. They had to go from ground level at the base of the tell to the top of the rampart in order to enter the city....

The archaeological evidence supports the historical accuracy of the biblical account in every detail. Every aspect of the story that could possibly be verified by the findings of archaeology is, in fact, verified....

Leviticus 23 - The Feasts of the Lord

http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0323.htm

4. The second group of the last three feasts relate to events connected with the second coming of Jesus.

a. The feast of Trumpets speaks of the ultimate assembly of God's people at the sound of a trumpet - the rapture of the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17), and of the gathering of Israel for the special purpose God has for them in the last days.

b. The Day of Atonement not only speaks of the ultimate, perfect atonement Jesus offered on our behalf, but also of the affliction - and salvation - Israel will see during the Great Tribulation.

i. It will truly be a time when the soul of Israel is afflicted, but for their ultimate salvation; as Jeremiah 30:7 says regarding that period: Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it, and it is the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

My comments

> > The feast of Trumpets speaks of the ultimate assembly of God's people at the sound of a trumpet - the rapture of the Church (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17)

I doubt that the Rapture in I Thess. 4:16,17 will be on the Feast of Trumpets. Why" The Rapture in I Thess. 4:16,17 is the FIRST TRUMP, not the LAST TRUMP. There are two Raptures. The First Trump Rapture is Pre-Trib. The Last Trump Rapture is on the Day of God's Wrath, the Feast of Trumpets. Let's look at the first trump and last trump passages.

THE FIRST TRUMP

I Thess. 4:16-18 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." The dead are raised at this time in incorruption, but are not yet actually immortal. That comes in an instant at the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

1 Cor. 15:42 says, "the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption".

Isa 57:1,2 is talking about the first Rapture. It says, "The righteous perisheth (abad, take up, wander away), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away (asaph, gathered and taken away) , none considering that THE RIGHTEOUS IS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE EVIL TO COME (in the Tribulation). He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness."

Psa 149:1,5-9 says, "raise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG, and his praise in the congregation of saints....Let the saints be joyful in glory (i.e., in Heaven): let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand; To execute vengeance upon the heathen, and punishments upon the people; To bind their kings with chains, and their nobles with fetters of iron; To execute upon them the judgment written: this honour have all his saints. Praise ye the LORD."

ALL FIRST-TRUMP SAINTS SING THE NEW SONG. The first group of saints is seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9,10. It says, "they sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (or over) the earth."

Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. HE BROUGHT ME UP also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven, Saturn), and established my GOINGS (plural, there are 2 Raptures). And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it (the 1st Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." They will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. At that time, all believers will be in Heaven. Only unbelievers will be on Earth when God's wrath falls on it.

THE FIRST TRUMP IS IN THE SPRING

Song of Solomon 2:10-17 shows that the first Rapture is in the spring. It says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, MY LOVE, MY FAIR ONE, AND COME AWAY. FOR, LO, THE WINTER IS PAST, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle (lit., turtledove) is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock, IN THE SECRET...OF THE STAIRS (like Jacob's ladder, whose top was in Heaven), let me see thy countenance, let me hear thy voice; for sweet is thy voice, and thy countenance is comely. Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes. My beloved is mine, and I am his: he feedeth among the lilies. Until the day break, and the shadows flee away, turn, my beloved, and be thou like a roe or a young hart upon the mountains (plural) of Bether (separation, as in the 2 Raptures)."

THE LAST TRUMP

I Cor. 15:51-53 says, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but WE SHALL ALL BE CHANGED (i.e., be made immortal), In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be CHANGED. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Amos 8:1-3 says, "Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of SUMMER FRUIT. And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit. Then said the LORD unto me, THE END (i.e., the Day of God's Wrath) is come upon my people of Israel; I will not again pass by them any more. And the SONGS OF THE TEMPLE (i.e., on the Feast of Trumpets) shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence. "

SIXTH SEAL-- JUST BEFORE THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH BEGINS

Rev 6:12-17 tells us about that day. It says, "I beheld when he had opened the SIXTH SEAL, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

Rev. 7:14-17 shows us that this Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath is the Rapture of the Tribulation saints. It says, "These are they which CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes (too soiled to go the First Trump Rapture), and made them white in the blood of the Lamb (i.e., be confessing their sins; I John 1:9). Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and HE THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE (this is the first day of Christ's millennial kingdom) shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Their tears are because the small rocks freed by the breaking in two of the asteroid Wormwood at the Roche Limit (11,000 miles out) are already falling. When the two asteroids of Rev. 8-11 hit Earth, it will be the absolute worst time to be on Earth since Noah's Flood. They will get out so as by fire.

Out of this group that is caught up at the second Rapture, only the 144,000 Israelites can sing the NEW SONG. I think they will be added to the Bride of Christ group. Rev. 14:3-5 says, "they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

On the Day of God's Wrath, the Tribulation saints will be caught up. Mark 13:27 says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN (those that were caught up previously in the Pre-Trib Rapture)."

Jeremiah 30:7 says regarding that period: "Alas! For that day is great, so that none is like it, and it is the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it."

After the 7th seal is broken. It is the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ. Rev 8:5 says, "And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake."

Eze 10:1,2 says, "I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets) there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone (Heaven, Saturn), as the appearance of the likeness of a throne (Jesus'). And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (orbits), even under the cherub (Satan), and fill thine hand with COALS OF FIRE from between the cherubims (the terrestrial planets), and scatter them over the city." Satan's asteroid will impact Earth on the Day of God's Wrath.

Incoming e-mail

I thought you might find this interesting. An article I found on the internet.

"The Big One?" Victoria/Vancouver Earthquake?
I live in BC and I am very scared of this predicted 'big one' that is supposed to happen in April 2008. I have family in Vancouver and they live in a large high-story building that is 20 or so years old. I am scared for them, what if it collapses?
Will there ever be evacuation for the people in Vancouver/Victoria?
What is this earthquake predicted to be on the Richter scale? I heard 9.something, which = everyone dying, right?
Is there any way to help myself and my family prepare?
I am horribly scared/stressed about this! Any help would be appreciated.

My reply

I haven't heard of such an earthquake in April, 2008. However, on the Day of God's Wrath, the two asteroid pieces of Rev. 8-11 will hit Earth. The earthquake will be worldwide. The globe will be turned upside down. Every wall shall fall.

Eze. 38:18-20 says, "it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel (i.e., at the end of the shortened Tribulation), saith the Lord GOD, that my FURY shall come up in my face (it's the Day of God's Wrath). For in my jealousy and in the fire of my WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains (i.e., asteroids) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground."

The cities of the nations will be in shambles. The mountain-sized asteroid will hit the Mediterranean Sea. That alone spells disaster, but the larger piece will wipe out Babylon.

The immediate effect on the sea is seen in Rev. 8:8,9. It says, "the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood; And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed."

A little later on, Rev 16:3 says, "the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea."

Rev. 16:17-21 says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

Isa 24:1,6 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof....Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

I think the Day of God's Wrath will be the 2300th day of the Tribulation, Tishri 1, 5776 (Sept. 14, 2015). There has to be 7 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, the Second Advent, so it has to be a Jewish Leap Year with the 13th month. 5776 is a leap year.

Dan. 8:13,14 says, "Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Verse 26 says, "the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days." It can be understood now that we are past the 40 years and in the time of the end.

The 2nd Rapture will come on the Day of God's Wrath (Rev. 6:17), but just before the asteroids hit Earth. Smaller rocks fall after the 6th seal is broken. Then Dan 12:1 and Rev. 7:14 will come true.

Dan. 12:1 says, "at that time (when the False Prophet comes to his end; Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

Rev. 7:14 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." Agape

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I want to thank you Marilyn so very much for sharing all this with me. The Lord has shown you a lot. I may have to change my thinking on a number of things because what you say makes sense. I thought Jesus was born on Tishri 14, the day he stood up in the temple and said I am the light of the world.

I never considered the possibility of two raptures. I thought the Tishri 1 date would be our rapture in whatever year. What you have written concerning two raptures makes a lot of sense. I just thought the spring feasts were already fulfilled and the fall feasts would be fulfilled starting with the rapture.

There are so many goofy prophecy teachers out there now that it is refreshing to read something that agrees with my spirit and makes sense. Its certainly not hard to see how apostate the seventh church is going to be after the rapture. If the Lord shows you anything else pertaining to April 26, please email me and let me know. I am going to study some on what you wrote in your email. I kept wondering when you mentioned saturn a few times, whats the big deal about saturn, then at the end, I see where you are going with this. Its interesting to say the least. Have a blessed day. Fred Poe

My reply

You're so welcome, and thanks for your kind words.

About 2 Raptures, the first group is seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9,10. It says, "And they (the saints) sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (or over) the earth."

The 2nd group is seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:9,14-17. It says, "I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, OF ALL NATIONS, AND KINDREDS, AND PEOPLE, AND TONGUES, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands...he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Of the 2nd group, only the 144,000 Israelites will be able to sing the NEW SONG. Rev. 14:3-5 says, "And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

Evidently, these could not believe in Jesus until the 1st Rapture took place. Then, they woke up.

The Jews think their Messiah will come on the last Jubilee. Little do they know, but Jesus went to the synagogue in Nazareth on the Day of Atonement to announce the Jubilee Year that would start the following Nisan l. He read Isa. 61:1 to them. The following year was the last Jubilee before Jerusalem and the Temple were burned in 70 AD.

Here is what Luke 16-21 says of that day in 27 AD. "he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord (i.e., the Jubilee, which was in 28 AD). And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." Agape

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One of the great mysteries to me in studying end time prophecy is the fact that it is quite evident that the major players are asia, africa and europe. So what happened to us?

My reply

The only places in the Bible that indicate the USA seems to be 2 Sam. 7:23 and I Chron. 17:21, and they are essentially the same.

2 Sam. 7:23 says, "what one (echad, UNITED) NATION in the earth (the United States) is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt".

1 Chron. 17:21 says, "what one (echad, UNITED) NATION in the earth (the United States) is like thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem to be his own people, to make thee a name of greatness and terribleness, by driving out nations from before thy people, whom thou hast redeemed out of Egypt?

Because the Canaanites worshiped false gods, God gradually gave those that believed in him the land. In those days, Israel became one united nation, under God.

As it was in Israel, so it was in the United States. Because the Indians worshiped false gods, God gradually gave those that believed in him the land. The US is one united nation, under God.

The Puritans came over here to establish a place where one could worship God as they thought fitting. They wanted religious freedom. They didn't want to be forced to belong to any certain church group. That's why there is a division of Church and State here. This united nation is strongly pro Israel, to "do for you (Israel) great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people".

Right now, the "terrible" seems to be encouraging giving up land for peace, when there is no peace. Israel needs defensible borders. To do otherwise invites those that do not believe in the God of the Jews to attack Israel.

Israel should never have given away her rights to the Temple Mount after God gave it to them. Israel is in trouble today because she failed to recognize her Messiah when he was teaching in the land during the last Jubilee (28 AD) before the city and Temple were burned in 70 AD. However, she is partly blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles is brought in.

2 Cor. 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ."

2 Cor. 4:4 says, "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them."

One of these days John 8:32,36 will come true for them. It says, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free....If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." Agape

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