Pro and Con 1389

Posted 2-6-08

"RIGHTEOUS MEN ARE TAKEN AWAY, and no one considers: FOR THE RIGHTEOUS HAS BEEN REMOVED OUT OF THE WAY OF INJUSTICE" Isaiah 57:1 (LXX).

Light Echoes from V838 Mon

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080203.html

starV838 flash

Credit: NASA and the Hubble Heritage Team (AURA/STScI)

...For reasons unknown, star V838 Mon's outer surface suddenly greatly expanded with the result that IT BECAME THE BRIGHTEST STAR IN THE ENTIRE MILKY WAY Galaxy in January 2002. Then, just as suddenly, it faded. A STELLAR FLASH LIKE THIS HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE -- supernovas and novas expel matter out into space. Although the V838 Mon flash appears to expel material into space, what is seen in the above image from the Hubble Space Telescope is actually an outwardly moving light echo of the bright flash....light from the flash is reflected by successively more distant rings in the complex array of ambient interstellar dust...

More news from the Astronomy Picture of the Day

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/

2-5-08 - The extent of the coma currently makes Comet Holmes over FIVE TIMES the physical size of our Sun.

"Sapphire gemstone meaning"

http://crystal-cure.com/sapphire-gem.html

"The sapphire is the symbol of HEAVEN and joyful devotion to God.

"Sapphire is associated with Aquarius, Virgo, Libra and Capricorn. It is the birthstone of SEPTEMBER and has been the birthstone of APRIL. Sapphire is the symbol of SATURN (dark blue)".
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Birthstones
http://www.alldiamondsdirect.com/birthstones.htm

Medieval clergy wore sapphires to symbolize HEAVEN
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Anniversary stones
http://www.creasyandbritt.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=85&Itemid=39

The name Sapphire (birthstone for September), a type of corundum, comes from the Greek “sappheiros” meaning blue and FROM SANSKRIT “SANIPRIYA”, PRECIOUS TO SATURN.

"Muslims Recognize Temple's Existence"

http://blog.bibleplaces.com/2007/10/muslim-recognize-temple-existence.html

From a letter to the editor, Jerusalem Post, Oct 31, 2007: Sir, - I read with interest "Jerusalem mufti: Western Wall was never part of Jewish temple" (October 25).

The kind of denial by former mufti Ikrema Sadi is somehow disputed by no more and no less than the institution he represents: the Supreme Muslim Council. In an official guide published by the council in 1930, it states: "This site is one of the oldest in the world. Its sanctity dates from the earliest times. It's identity with the site of Solomon's Temple is beyond dispute. This, too, is the spot, according to universal belief, on which 'David built there an altar unto the Lord, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings' from 2 Samuel XXIV, 25."

Nehemiah’s Wall Found in Jerusalem

Stephen Flurry, Nov 9, 07
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=4418.2664.0.0

...Yesterday, at an archaeological conference at Bar Ilan University near Tel Aviv, Dr. Eilat Mazar told 500 attendees that she had discovered Nehemiah’s wall. The discovery comes, as our regular readers know, just two years after Mazar uncovered a small section of King David’s royal palace. Last winter, during the second phase of her ongoing palace excavation, she uncovered a massive wall on the eastern side of the royal complex, measuring 5 meters in width.

Adjacent to the palace wall stood a large stone tower archaeologists believed to be built during the Hasmonean dynasty (142-37 b.c.). Early last summer, a section of that tower, which was built on a steep slope just outside the palace, began to give way, indicating it was on the verge of collapse. And so what started as a simple task of repairing a collapsing tower turned into a six-week dig—and a fascinating new discovery.

“Under the tower,” Dr. Mazar said at the conference, “we found the bones of two large dogs—and under those bones a rich assemblage of pottery and finds from the Persian period [6th to 5th centuries b.c.]. No later finds from that period were found under the tower.” The pottery is what clearly dates the time period for the tower’s construction. Had the tower been built during the 2nd or 1st century b.c., Dr. Mazar explained, 6th-century pottery underneath the wall would leave a chronological gap of several hundred years. Therefore we know, based on the pottery dating, that the tower would have been built three to four centuries earlier than previously thought, during the Persian Empire’s heyday, which is precisely when the Bible says Nehemiah rebuilt the wall around Jerusalem....

Comet—Asteroid Link Confirmed

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs/thornhill.htm

1/25/2008 - “The remarkable properties of comets are not even remotely explicable by any of the numerous ad hoc assumptions of ‘modern’ comet theory.”
R A Lyttleton, FRS, Journey to the Centre of Uncertainty, Speculations in Science & Technology.

Early on, scientists found surprising evidence that Wild 2 contained some material from the inner solar system that had been heated to more than 1000° C due to its proximity to the Sun.

Now, scientists have been surprised again as further study suggests Wild 2 is made mostly of material from the inner solar system, and that the object has a composition more like that of an asteroid than what was expected of a comet. The conclusion comes from a study led by Hope Ishii of the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) in Livermore, California, US. [emphasis added]...

Stardust chief scientist Don Brownlee of the University of Washington in Seattle, US, who was not involved in the study, says he agrees with its main conclusion. "Probably most of the mass of the comet is actually inner solar system material that was carried out from the inner solar system to the outside," he told New Scientist.

Incoming e-mail, Re: THE WAY BACK TO PENTECOST? DOES THIS FITS GOD PATTERN?

Regarding the subject matter, could this be the day the Lord Himself shall decend from heaven with a SHOUT? May 11-12, 2008? and on the biblical 7th month and 1st day AB 29-30 5768; (AUGUST 30-31, 2008) which would begin the 2300 evening and morning sacrifice? This would take us to 1260 days to October 24th, 2008, the middle of the week? add 3 and 1/2 days to this, you will be at October 28th, 2008, (TISHRI 30, 5772) COME UP HITHER? (re:the two witnesses at the NEW MOON)? Now at this point we are 23,178 days From May 14th 1948 (3,311 weeks and the 1st day of the 3,312th week, or may we say the 8th day a new beginning)? THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH?

Now according to the word of the Lord, the 70th week is divided into 2 parts Daniel 9:27 vr ; and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, so far we are about 4 days into the GREAT TRIBULATION, (TISHRI 30 5772) the 2 witnesses has been caught up to heaven, now we have about 1256 days to account for to fulfill the 70th week, now if we go from TISHRI 30, 5772 and add the 1256 days we will end up on Nisan 16-17, 5775, (during the passover)? Does this fit (THE) pattern? (JOB 24:1st vr) Add 30 days from here, (Daniel 12:11th vr) IYAR 16-17 5775, now lets add from here, 45 days (Daniel 12:12 vr) we end up on TAMMUZ 3 5775.

This is where we would end up (IF) the SHOUT OF GOD for HIS BRIDE takes place at PENTECOST concerning the Biblical Account for (THIS YEAR). 21,914 DAYS + 2,520 DAYS + 30 DAYS + 45 DAYS= 24,509 DAYS from MAY 14 1948 TO JUNE 20 2015 = Blessed is he that waiteth and cometh to the; (Daniel 12:12th vr)? 1JOHN 2:20th vr, ST. JOHN 4:25th-26th vr, ACTS 1:8th vr. Job 24:1st vr and many more scriptures to bare out why (WE KNOW) (THE CHURCH TRIUMPHANT) 24,509 days divided by 50 (PENTECOST)= 490.18, the remaining .18 is 9 days, (3501 weeks and 2 days later since Israel has been back in her home land). Please bare in mind what you have read is not at all (FICTION), (IF), THE LORD SHOUTS ON THIS GREAT DAY WHICH IS WELL RECORDED IN HISTORY, (ACTS 2:1st vr) (Exodus 19:20th vr), WHAT YOU HAVE JUST READ WILL (SURELY) COME TO PASS as it is written in the word of the Lord, concerning my beloved sisters and brothers in Christ, the word of the Lord is our map and the Holy Ghost is our navigator so search the scriptures for your self and ONLY BELIEVE.

...I have a Holy Ghost filling that this is the year of the rapture.

My reply

> > Regarding the subject matter, could this be the day the Lord Himself shall decend from heaven with a SHOUT? May 11-12, 2008? and on the biblical 7th month and 1st day AB 29-30 5768; (AUGUST 30-31, 2008) which would begin the 2300 evening and morning sacrifice? This would take us to 1260 days to October 24th, 2011, the middle of the week? add 3 and 1/2 days to this, you will be at October 28th, 2011, (TISHRI 30, 5772) COME UP HITHER? (re:the two witnesses at the NEW MOON)? Now at this point we are 23,178 days From May 14th 1948 (3,311 weeks and the 1st day of the 3,312th week, or may we say the 8th day a new beginning)? THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH?
> > I have a Holy Ghost filling that this is the year of the rapture.

OK. Now I understand your enthusiasm, and you are probably right about the Rapture being in 2008, but try to slow down and take another look at the whole picture. Let's start over, and look at each step carefully.

I think the Rapture will be on the 7th day of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 21, 5768 (April 26, 2008), the day Israel was given the city of Jericho after circling it 7 times that day and giving a great shout while blowing trumpets. The number 7 means completion, and the trumpet of God will sound at the Pre-Trib Rapture.

I take it that you think the Rapture will be on Pentecost, Sivan 6 and 7, 5768 (June 9 and 10, 2008).

Either Nisan 21 or Sivan 6 would fit Song of Solomon 2:10-14 and Isa. 18:3-6, which indicate a spring Rapture. Isa 18:6 says of those twigs without fruit that are cut off and left behind, "They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall WINTER upon them." So let's just count on a spring Rapture this year, and go on from there.

The next thing we should determine is when the end of the shortened Tribulation is possible. That will be the Feast of Trumpets, the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints (Rev. 6:17; 7:14), the great and terrible Day of the Lord (Joel 1:15), and the Day of God's Wrath (Joel 2:1-3). All that happens on one day.

The first half of the Tribulation is 1260 days. Rev. 11:3 says, "I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

The whole shortened Tribulation will last 2300 days (1260 + 1040 = 2300 days). Dan. 8:11-14 says, "Yea, he (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away (Mid-Trib, when he sits in the Temple "shewing himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4), and the place of his sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (first half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? (during the shortened last half of the Tribulation) And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Verse 26 adds, "And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days." The vision was sealed until the time of the end.

Dan. 12:8-10 says that Daniel understood not, then said, "O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for THE WORDS ARE CLOSED UP AND SEALED TILL THE TIME OF THE END. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND."

I figure that we entered The Time of the End when the 40 years since the Six-Day War expired. We are now standing between the end of the 40 years and the Rapture. Surely this is when the wise shall understand.

From Joel 2:1-3 and other references, we know that the 2300-day shortened Tribulation will end on a Feast of Trumpets that is also the Day of God's Wrath.

From Eze. 39:12-14, we know that there will be 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath (Eze. 38:18-20) and the Second Advent, when the Lord will return in glory. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown THE DAY THAT I SHALL BE GLORIFIED, saith the Lord GOD." I think the King of kings and Lord of lords will be glorified at the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1, the first day of the Regnal and Sacred Year. He will be inaugurated at the same time as the other Israelite kings.

This locks in the new Jewish Year that starts on that Feast of Trumpets as a Jewish Leap Year with the added 13th month. Only their Leap Years have 7 months between the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1. Therefore, the 2300-day Tribulation has to end with a Jewish Leap Year. What are the possible Leap Years? They are 5771, 5774, 5776 and 5779.

Pentecost (Sivan 6, 5764/5-26-2004) to Trumpets (Tishri 1, 5771/9-9-2010) is 2298 days.
Pentecost (Sivan 6, 5767/5-23-2007) to Trumpets (Tishri 1, 5774/9-5-2013) is 2298 days.
Pentecost (Sivan 6, 5769/5-29-2009) to Trumpets (Tishri 1, 5776/9-14-2015) is 2300 days.
Pentecost (Sivan 6, 5772/5-27-2012) to Trumpets (Tishri 1, 5779/9-10-2018) is 2269 days.

To me, Daniel 8:13,14's 2300 days locks in the Tribulation. I think it runs from Pentecost (Sivan 6, 5769/5-29-2009) to Trumpets (Tishri 1, 5776/Monday, 9-14-2015).

I think the Second Advent will be 7 months later, on Nisan 1, 5776/Saturday, April 9, 2016.

This makes the Rapture this coming spring look VERY PROMISING. If it was on Pentecost, the year between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation on Pentecost (5-29-2009) would give Israel enough time to build the Temple. I think the materials are ready. The priests have been practicing putting it together, and full scale. Israel has the red heifer too.

Of the beginning of the Tribulation, Rev. 11:1-3 says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and MEASURE THE TEMPLE OF GOD, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

The two witnesses, which I think are Moses and Elijah, prophesy during the first half of the Tribulation. They are killed Mid-Trib, then are resurrected and ascend to Heaven 3.5 days later. There is an earthquake at Jerusalem in which 7000 die, but that is not the worldwide earthquake at the end of the Tribulation that we read about in Eze. 38:20. At that time, every wall will fall worldwide. The cities will all be in shambles. Rev. 16:18,19 says of that day, "And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."

The 1260th day of the Tribulation (Mid-Trib) would be Cheshvan 23, 5773 (Thursday, Nov. 8, 2012) by Jewish Inclusive reckoning. On that day, Satan would enter into the False Prophet.

That's strange, because the last date of the Mayan Calendar is our Dec. 21, 2012. That makes me wonder if Satan knew how much total time he had to try to win the Angelic Conflict. Did he know ahead of time when he would be allowed to enter into the False Prophet, the last son of perdition? It seems possible.

What do you think about these things? Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: THE WAY BACK TO PENTECOST? DOES THIS YEAR FITS GOD PATTERN?

I certainly want to thank you for your view regarding the rapture, i am certainly going to be watching HIS DAYS I thought i had put a question mark re: the subject matter, and it was hinge on IF? the SHOUT of the Lord took place on THE BIBLICAL DATE regarding the Day Of Pentecost for this particular year ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES, i have not drove all of my stakes on this date as of now, i am certainly going to be watching HIS DAYS as they unfold regarding HIS itinerary one thing i can declare is, as long as we are watching we wont be suprise when it happens, I personal believe that the rapture will take place 22,247 days later after May 14 1948, which would be on April 10th 2009, I'll let you do the math from that point, it certainly fits the pattern.

If the rapture takes place on NISAN 21 5768 please bare in mind that the 70th week clock start ticking again from that point,
now, add 1260 days from here you will end up on the Day of Atonement add the 3and 1/2 days to this you will end up on TISHRI
14 5772 (OCTOBER 12, 2011) this would also be identified with the great day of his wrath during the 2nd part of the tribulaion,
after the rapture takes place, please bare in mind that it has been left on record the days leading up to HIS second coming to earth....

My reply

> > I thought i had put a question mark

You did, and I understood. Anyway, unless someone is a prophet, which I am not, we can't be absolutely sure we figure everything correctly. Since from Pentecost 2001 to Trumpets 2007 was 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14), I thought the Pre-Trib Rapture would be in 1998. I was wrong. I picked Pentecost at that time too, but now see the picture more clearly. I think that since from Pentecost, 2009, to Trumpets, 2015, is the next time we will have 2300 days between Pentecost and Trumpets, the Rapture will be on the 7th day of Unleavened Bread (the same day that Israel was given Jericho) this year.

I think Rev. 11:1-3 shows that the Temple is there as the Tribulation begins. Therefore, some time seems necessary between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation to build the Temple. Rev. 11:1-3 (KJV) says, "And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the TEMPLE OF GOD, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."

I expect them to build the Temple between the Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque. The Gentiles would then walk on what used to be the outer court of the Temple. I think the foundation of the wall the architects found in the trench the Moslems dug to lay new electric lines to the Al Aqsa Mosque was where the outer court of the Temple ended. Josephus said that the rock, that is now under the Dome of the Rock, was in Fort Antonia. Some think the Holy of Holies was over the rock, but the rock is wider than the Holy of Holies. That seems impossible. In those days, the rock was much higher than what is exposed now also. Fill dirt was brought in to raise the platform for the Dome of the Rock.

The time between the Rapture in 2008 and the beginning of the Tribulation in 2009 gives Israel some time to build the Temple. Josephus said, "But the temple itself was built by the priests in a year and six months" (Ant. XVI. XI. 6). This time, the priests have already been practicing, and it seems reasonable to think that they could erect the Temple in a year and 44 days.

I think the first day they circled Jericho represented the same as the western lamp of the Temple lampstand, the Sun, according to Josephus, a Pharisee priest. The 2nd circle represented Mercury. The 3rd circle represented Venus, the 4th Earth, the 5th Mars, the 6th Jupiter, and the 7th Saturn, Heaven. They circled Jericho 7 times on the 7th day, because Saturn has 7 rings. They sounded the trumpets and shouted on the 7th day, because the trumpet of God and a shout will mark the Pre-Trib Rapture (I Thess. 4:16,17).

Here is what Josephus said about the lampstaned: "...the shaft elevated itself on high from a single base, and spread itself into as many branches as there are planets, including the sun among them" (Ant. III. VII. 7). At that time, the only planets they knew were the naked-eye planets. The branches of the lampstand were semi-circles because they symbolized the orbits of the planets.

Saturn is marked by 7 rings. Zech. 3:9,10 (LXX) says, "Hear now, Jesus the high priest, thou, and thy neighbours that are sitting before thee: for they are diviners, for, behold, I bring forth my servant The Branch (Jesus). For as for the stone (i.e., planet) which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes" (orbs, circles, rings). The place of Jesus' throne is on Saturn.

In Jezekiel/Ezekiel 1:25-28 (LXX), the throne of Jesus, both God (Eze. 1:1) and man, is symbolized by sapphire, which is Jesus' birthstone (born in September) and means heaven. It says, "And lo! a voice from above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their head (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets whose orbits look like wheels within wheels), there was as the appearance of a sapphire stone (Heaven, Saturn), and the likeness of a throne upon it: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as an appearance of a man (Jesus) above. And I saw as it were the resemblance of amber (Saturn is amber) from the appearance of the loins (from the equator) and upwards, and from the appearance of the loins (from the equator) and under I saw an appearance of fire, and the brightness thereof round about (i.e., Saturn's rings). As the appearance of the bow when it is in the cloud in days of rain, so was the form of brightness round about." Both the rainbow and Saturn's rings are made of ice crystals.

Exodus 24:10 (LXX) says, "they saw THE PLACE WHERE THE GOD OF ISRAEL (i.e., YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, Jesus, Isa. 44:6) STOOD; AND UNDER HIS FEET WAS AS IT WERE A WORK OF SAPPHIRE SLABS, AND AS IT WERE THE APPEARANCE OF THE FIRMAMENT OF HEAVEN".

> > I personal believe that the rapture will take place 22,247 days later after May 14 1948, which would be on April 10th 2009

That is Nisan 16, 5769, the Feast of Firstfruits. Jesus took the Old Testament saints that were in Paradise to Heaven that day. No saints that had not died went with him. Jesus returned to Earth then ascended 40 days later.

Today, the 40-year generation since the Six-Day War has ended. The Rapture is ahead. The question is, did Israel's 40 years in the desert and their taking of Jericho on Nisan 21 dramatize when the Rapture would take place? We will be given a city -- New Jerusalem, and we will go straight up to Heaven, Saturn, that has 7 rings.

After the Israelites had wandered in the desert 40 years, what happened? On Nisan 21, the 7th day of Unleavened Bread, Joshua and the Israelites circled the city 7 times. Then Joshua 6:20 (KJV) says, "the people SHOUTED when the priests blew with the TRUMPETS: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that THE PEOPLE WENT UP INTO THE CITY, EVERY MAN STRAIGHT BEFORE HIM, and they took the city."

Of course, as long as we stay ready, we will make it, whenever the Rapture takes place. We are obviously obeying Jesus' command to watch. We just had another sign in the heavens too. The comet Holmes passed through the eye (Algol) of the Medusa head Perseus is holding. The star Algol represents Satan. Agape

His reply

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU,

IT CERTAINLY MAKE SINCE, (THEY SAW HIS STAR).

My reply

The wise men saw his star in the east, but I think that was a nova. Here is what I wrote about it previously:
THE SIGN OF 5 BC THAT PRECEDED JESUS' BIRTH
http://prophecycorner.com/agee/jesusbirth.html

"In February, there was a NOVA, a NEW STAR, IN CAPRICORN. It appeared in the east several hours before sunrise. This could be the star that caused the wise men to travel to Jerusalem. It winked out before the wise men arrived in Jerusalem.

"That trip probably took about 4 months, 120 days. The wise men would have seen the star only part of the time. This could help us understand why they asked Herod where he that was born King of the Jews was located.

"The star that went before them to Bethlehem and stood over the exact house seems to have been God's miracle, like the Shekinah Glory that led the Israelites in the wilderness. I don't see how any star far up in the sky could point out one house among many."
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Saturn is the star of our God. However, we are not to make images to adore, or to in any way worship Saturn. We are to worship the Creator, not his creation, not Earth, the Sun or Saturn. Israel made that mistake already. Amos 5:26 (KJV) says, "But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves." Acts 7:43 (ALT) says, "'You* also took along the tabernacle of Moloch [i.e. the Canaanite-Phoenician sun god] and the star of your god Remphan [i.e. the Egyptian name for the Roman god Saturn], the images which you* made to be prostrating yourselves in worship before them. And I will relocate you* beyond Babylon." Agape

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