Pro and Con 1392

Posted 3-5-08


It looks like the Rapture may take place April 26, 2008 (Nisan 21, 7th day of Unleavened Bread) while groups of people are gathered together at stadiums all over the USA to pray. What a witness that would be to those foolish virgins and unbelievers left behind. People would be seen going up in groups.

I wondered why they chose April 26, 2008. The National Day of Prayer is the first Thursday in May. The International Day of Prayer is in November. I still don't know why they chose April 26, but figure the Lord must have had something to do with it. Another group also had the Holy Fire come down on them, but I'm getting ahead of my story. Keep reading.

April 26 this year is the day the Holy Fire and the blue and white lightning are due to come down at the tomb of Jesus in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. A friend reminded me that blue lightning from heaven reminds her that the blue sapphire is a symbol of Heaven. Eze. 1:26 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (i.e., Jesus) above upon it." The sapphire is the September birthstone, and it means Heaven. The word sapphire itself means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear.

This Holy Fire comes down in the church that was first built by Constantine 333-335 AD. It has been burned and torn down several times, but it always sprung up again somehow. The present church took the Crusaders 50 years to build. It is not the same as in Constantine's day. The Crusaders sort of connected together shrines of different churches to make it into one building. It is a conglomeration, but the Holy Fire has come down to Jesus' tomb in that particular church every year for centuries.



(The following is also on the Colorado site:)

Tongues of Fire manifesting on an Outreach held in a village outside of Pemba, Mozambique with Iris Ministries - the...Team (was) Led by Michal Ann Goll of Compassion Acts in June 2005.
(The white area in the upper right is the screen for showiing the Jesus film later that night.)

My comments

PRAISE THE LORD! That gave me long-lasting goosebumps, and while I still had goosebumps, a woman phoned me and asked permission to translate files on my site in Spanish. Thank you Lord. I got more goosebumps.

Here is more good news: GodTV TO BROADCAST FROM D.C. ON 4-26-08

GodTV (DirecTV satellite channel 365) has confirmed it will broadcast the ReignDown USA event live from Washington, D.C. on April 26. This will allow the broadest possible coverage so that the entire Body of Christ can unite simultaneously in worship and prayer for ourselves and our nation. GodTV will also stream the broadcast live on its web site.



Knowing that the United States of America is entering a time of desperation for our Lord Jesus Christ, the time has come to ask for personal repentance across our nation....

ReignDown USA started as a vision. A vision in which every state in our nation would come together with one purpose: To worship, pray and seek Godís forgiveness and mercy (repent). Our mission statement is: "To humbly seek Godís presence and ask for His forgiveness so that HE WILL REIGN DOWN and restore our relationship with Him and with one another."

ReignDown USA is a worship and prayer movement that will reach out to all Christians throughout the United States and bring them together in large venues/stadiums IN EVERY STATE. This movement will begin with simultaneous worship, which will be led by a worship leader from the Capital in Washington, D.C. broadcast via satellite....



By Niels Christian Hvidt

"On Holy Saturday believers gather in great crowds in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre. For on this day fire comes down from Heaven and puts fire on lamps in the church."

This ceremony, described above by one of the many pilgrims visiting Jerusalem during Easter, has occurred yearly for centuries and includes the unexplainable event of the Holy Fire igniting candles and oil lamps. Orthodox Christians cherish it as the greatest of miracles and see it as a continuous reminder of the Lord's resurrection.

The author and his companions travelled to Israel to be present at this ceremony and to speak to some of the persons who have witnessed the miracle and whose lives it has inspired.

THE CEREMONY OF THE HOLY FIRE HAS TAKEN PLACE EVER YEAR FOR NEARLY FIFTEEN CENTURIES, at the same time, in the same manner, and at the same location. It draws ever-growing crowds of pilgrims to the Holy City each Easter season. The ceremony surrounding "The Miracle of the Holy Fire" appears to be one of the oldest recurring Christian ceremonies in the world. FROM THE FOURTH CENTURY AD ALL THE WAY UP TO OUR OWN TIME, SOURCES RECALL THE CEREMONY.

The Church Historian, Eusebius, writes in his Vita Constantini which dates from around 328 about an interesting occurrence in Jerusalem of Easter in the year 162. When the church wardens were about to fill the lamps to make them ready to symbolise the resurrection of Christ, they suddenly noticed that there was no more oil left to pour in the lamps.

Upon this, Bishop Narkissos ordered the candles to be filled with water. He then told the wardens to ignite them. In front of the eyes of all present every single lamp burned as if filled with pure oil.

THE ORTHODOX CHURCH BELIEVES THAT THIS MIRACLE, WHICH PREDATES THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE HOLY SEPULCHRE IN THE FOURTH CENTURY, IS RELATED TO THE MIRACLE OF THE HOLY FIRE. They admit that the two differ, as the former was a one-time occurrence while the Miracle of the Holy Fire occurs every year. However, they have in common premise that God has produced fire where there logically speaking should have been none.

Around 385 Etheria, a noble woman from Spain, traveled to Palestine. In the account of her journey, she speaks of a ceremony by the Holy Sepulchre of Christ, where a light comes forth (ejicitur) from the small chapel enclosing the tomb, by which the entire church is filled with an infinite light (lumen infinitum).

It is not clear, whether her words refer to an alleged miraculous occurrence or to the bishop, who emerged from the tomb with the flame, possibly ignited from a perpetual flame inside the sepulchre chapel.

Things become clearer in an itinerary written by a monk named Bernhard after his journey to Jerusalem in the year 870. He describes an angel who came down after the singing of the "Kyrie Eleison" and ignited the lamps hanging over the burial slab of Christ, whereupon the Patriarch passed the flame to the bishops and to everyone else in the church.

In 926 the Arabic historian Ma'sŻdi travelled to Palestine, and his account describes a similar event: on Easter Saturday Christians gathered from the entire country at the sepulchre, as on that particular day fire came down from heaven igniting the candles of those present.


"On the appointed day at noon "the Greek patriarch, with his clergy arrayed in their sacerdotal robes, and followed by the Armenian patriarch, with his clergy, and the bishop of the Copts, MARCH IN GRAND AND SOLEMN PROCESSION, AND SINGING HYMNS, THREE TIMES ROUND THE HOLY SEPULCHRE."[1] The procession ended, the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem or another Orthodox Archbishop recites a specific prayer, puts off his (outer) robes and enters alone into the sepulchre" (wearing only his white robe).

I hope you can see this short video of the blue lightning. ---


"I am in the possession of a video filmed by a young engineer from Bethlehem, Souhel Nabdiel. Mr. Nabdiel has been present at the ceremony of the Holy Fire since his early childhood. In 1996 he was asked to film the ceremony from the balcony of the dome of the Church. Present with him on the balcony were a nun and four other believers. The nun stood at the right hand of Nabdiel. On the video one can see how he films down on the crowds. At a certain point all lights are turned off - it is time for the Patriarch to enter the tomb and receive the Holy Fire. While he is still inside the tomb one suddenly hears a scream of surprise and wonder originating from the nun standing next to Nabdiel. The camera begins to shake, as one hears the excited voices of the other people present on the balcony. The camera now turns to the right, whereby it is possible to contemplate the cause of the commotion. A big candle, held in the hand of the Russian nun, takes fire in front of all the people present before the patriarch comes out of the tomb. She holds the candle with shaking hands while making the sign of the Cross over and over again in awe of the miracle she has witnessed. This video appears to be the closest one gets to an actual filming of the miracle."


By Marilyn Agee

There were signs during the 40 years between 30 and 70 AD that were designed to show the Sanhedrin how wrong they had been about Jesus. Forty means testing and probation. Since they were given 40 years, they could never rightly claim that they weren't given a chance to change their minds. It looks like every generation is given 40 years.

We know that two members of the Sanhedrin were saved. Two members could vote against a motion, and it would still pass. It's strange, but we know who the two dissenting members were, Joseph of Arimethea and Nicodemus.

Luke 23:50-52 (ALT) says, "And look! A man by name [of] Joseph, BEING A MEMBER OF THE HIGH COUNCIL [OR, THE SANHEDRIN], a good and righteous man (THIS ONE HAD NOT CONSENTED TO THEIR PLAN AND ACTION), from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, WHO INDEED ALSO WAS HIMSELF WAITING FOR [OR, EXPECTING] THE KINGDOM OF GOD, having approached Pilate, this one requested for himself the body of Jesus."

John19:38 (ALT) says, "Now after these things Joseph, the one from Arimathea-BEING A DISCIPLE OF JESUS, BUT HAVING BEEN CONCEALED [OR, BUT SECRETLY] BECAUSE OF THE FEAR OF THE JEWS-asked Pilate that he should take away the body of Jesus. And Pilate permitted [him]."

That meeting of the Sanhedrin on the day of the Crucifixion may have been their last meeting in the Chember of Hewn Stone. We know they moved to another location in 30 AD. The Talmud says, "Forty years before the destruction of the Temple, the Sanhedrin was BANISHED (from the Chamber of Hewn Stone) and sat in the trading station (on the Temple Mount)Ē - (Shabbat 15a).

The TALMUD says that when the Sanhedrin CEASED TO JUDGE CAPITAL OFFENCES, they MOVED to the shopping mall (Rosh HaShana 31a). Since they could not put Jesus to death themselves, the Sanhedrin must have moved right after the Crucifixion.

Josephus said that before the Temple was burned, the Sanhedrin had to move once again. This time to an area outside the Temple, to a place west of the Temple near a building called the Xystus (Wars V. 4. 2).

The earthquake when Jesus died may have damaged their meeting room, but whether the earthquake caused it or not, they quit meeting there and met at another part of the temple court called The Trading Place. From the Chamber of Hewn Stone to The Trading Place was a come down for the proud members of the Sanhedrin. It is also possible that the people no longer considered the Sanhedrin righteous, and refused to appear before it in the Chamber of Hewn Stone.

Several other strange things happened between 30 AD to 70 AD to show the Sanhedrin how wrong they had been. For forty years before the Temple was burned, the western lamp would not stay lit.

According to the Jerusalem Talmud, "Forty years before the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, the western light went out, the crimson thread remained crimson (instead of turning white as before), and the lot for the Lord always came up in the left hand. They would close the gates of the Temple by night and get up in the morning and find them wide open" --- (Jacob Neusner, The Yerushalmi, p.156-157).

According to the Babylonian Talmud, "Our rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot ['For the Lord'] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-colored strap become white; nor did the western most light shine; and the doors of the Hekel [Temple] would open by themselves" --- (Soncino version, Yoma 39b).

I thought the members of the Sanhedrin got the message, but maybe not. These things were scary. It took 20 men to close those gates, and a bolt went down into a hole in solid rock. They didn't open by themselves. God had to have something to do with it.

The crimson thread refers to a piece of red cloth torn off of the crimson sash they tied to the horns of the scapegoat marked azazel. They tied the small piece to the Temple door. Normally, when the scapegoat died, the red cloth would turn white, but not after 30 AD. That showed them that something had drastically changed.

Josephus, a Pharisee priest, also wrote about these strange happenings. He said, "...while they did not attend, nor give credit, to the SIGNS THAT WERE SO EVIDENT, AND DID SO PLAINLY FORETELL THEIR FUTURE DESOLATION; but, like men INFATUATED, WITHOUT EITHER EYES TO SEE OR MINDS TO CONSIDER, DID NOT REGARD THE DENUNCIATIONS THAT GOD MADE TO THEM. Thus THERE WAS A STAR RESEMBLING A SWORD, WHICH STOOD OVER THE CITY, AND A COMET, THAT CONTINUED A WHOLE YEAR. Thus also before the Jews' rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war, when the people were come in great crowds to THE FEAST OF UNLEAVENED BREAD, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus, [Nisan,] and AT THE NINTH HOUR OF THE NIGHT, SO GREAT A LIGHT SHONE ROUND THE ALTAR AND THE HOLY HOUSE, THAT IT APPEARED TO BE BRIGHT DAY TIME; WHICH LASTED FOR HALF AN HOUR. This light seemed to be a good sign to the unskillful, but was so interpreted by the sacred scribes, as to portend those events that followed immediately upon it.

"At the same festival also, a HEIFER, AS SHE WAS LED BY THE HIGH PRIEST TO BE SACRIFICED, BROUGHT FORTH A LAMB IN THE MIDST OF THE TEMPLE. Moreover, THE EASTERN GATE OF THE INNER [COURT OF THE] TEMPLE, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be OPENED OF ITS OWN ACCORD ABOUT THE SIXTH HOUR OF THE NIGHT (midnight). Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But THE MEN OF LEARNING UNDERSTOOD IT, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared, that this signal foreshewed the desolation that was coming upon them.

"Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, BEFORE SUN-SETTING, CHARIOTS AND TROOPS OF SOLDIERS IN THEIR ARMOUR WERE SEEN RUNNING ABOUT AMONG THE CLOUDS, AND SURROUNDING OF CITIES. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, THEY FELT A QUAKING, AND HEARD A GREAT NOISE, AND AFTER THAT THEY HEARD A SOUND AS OF A GREAT MULTITUDE, SAYING, "LET US REMOVE HENSE." (Wars. VI. V. 3).

On the Day of Atonement that the High Priest would reach into a bag and bring up either a black or a white stone. Black meant that the following year would be a bad one. White meant that it would be a good year. Every one of those 40 years, the black stone came up.

Incoming e-mail

Thanks so much for sharing your testimony with me Marilyn. I wanted to suggest a book to read that has really challenged my belief in the opening of the first five seals in revelation. The name of the book is Earthquake Resurrection by David Lowe. The best part is regardless if the most common view taught today or this one with a little different slant, both agree that there is going to be a catching up of believers and a seven year tribulation to follow. Have a nice evening.
> > an excerpt from the 11th chapter of "Earthquake Resurrection: Supernatural Catalyst for the Coming Global Catastrophe," by David W. Lowe.
I Pet 3:22 who went into heaven and is at the right hand of God with angels and authorities and powers subject to him.

Therefore, according to these verses, Jesus should be at Godís right hand to open the seven-sealed scroll. But he is not there in Revelation chapter 5. The call for someone to open the sealed scroll becomes even more perplexing when one considers the following passage from Hebrews:

Heb 10:12 But when this priest had offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, he sat down at the right hand of God,

Heb 10:13 where he is now waiting until his enemies are made a footstool for his feet.

This is a key point. Not only did Christ sit down at the right hand of God after his death, resurrection, and ascension, but he must remain there until his enemies are made a footstool for his feet. Now consider Revelation chapter 5 in this light. If what is described in this chapter takes place in the future, then where is Jesus, and why isnít he seated at Godís right hand? Why is there a call throughout the universe for him? Where is Jesus hiding?

The clear answer is that the scene at the opening of Revelation chapter 5 does not take place in the future. In the vision that John was being shown, Jesus had not yet arrived at the throne from earth. Rather than a description of the throne room scene after the future resurrection, transformation, and catching-up event, this is a vision of the scene at Godís throne just after the ascension of Jesus Christ and just before he took his seat at the right hand of God.

My reply

> > Rather than a description of the throne room scene after the future resurrection, transformation, and catching-up event, this is a vision of the scene at Godís throne just after the ascension of Jesus Christ and just before he took his seat at the right hand of God.

To me, that is impossible. All of Revelation is written as if Jesus is standing on the pinnacle of the Pre-Trib Rapture and looking both backward and forward to tell us of events.

Rev 1:19 gives us the way this whole miracle play titled "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" is organized. Jesus said, "Write the things which thou hast seen (i.e., before the Rapture), and the things which are (at the time of the Rapture), and the things which shall be hereafter" (after the Rapture).

Rev. 4:1 gives us the Rapture and then indicates that the part that shall be hereafter the Rapture is beginning. It says, "After this (i.e., after the things before the Rapture) I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither (things at the Rapture), and I will shew thee things which must be HEREAFTER" (hereafter the Rapture).

Remember that Jesus is God. 2 Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself". In John 10:30, Jesus said, "I and my Father are one."

Rev 4:2,3 says, "And immediately I was (lit., became) in the spirit: and, behold, a throne (one throne) was set in heaven, and ONE (Jesus, who is God) sat on the throne. And he (Jesus) that sat was to look upon like a jasper (FIRST stone of the Breastplate) and a sardine stone (LAST stone of the Breastplate, i.e., he's both the first and the last, YHWH and Jesus): and there was a rainbow (Saturn's rings) round about the throne (on Saturn), in sight like unto an emerald" (the stone that represented Judah). Jesus is the Lion of the tribe of Judah.

In Rev 1:8, right after the Introduction of "The Revelation of Jesus Christ," Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning (YHWH) and the ending (Jesus), saith the Lord, which is (at the time of the Rapture), and which was (before the Rapture), and which is to come (after the Rapture), the Almighty."

In Rev 22:13,16, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the FIRST and the LAST....I am the root (YHWH) AND the offspring of David" (JESUS).

Eze. 1:1,26-28 says of the throne of the God/man Jesus Christ, "...the heavens were opened, and I SAW VISIONS OF GOD....And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a THRONE, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone (meaning dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear; i.e., Jesus' September birth stone, meaning heaven): and upon the likeness of the THRONE (Saturn, Heaven)was the likeness as the appearance of a MAN (Jesus who is also GOD) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (Saturn's ring system) round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about (i.e., both the rainbow and Saturn's rings are made of ice crystals). This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD (YHWH)."

Think about Isa. 44:6. It says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Ex. 24:10 says, "they saw THE GOD OF ISRAEL (i.e., YHWH King of Israel, who is also YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer, Jesus Christ): and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone, and as it were the body of heaven (heavenly body, i.e., Saturn) in his (its) clearness.

Rev 4:4 says, "And round about the throne were four and twenty seats (lit., thrones): and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold." One of these 24 elders is John, who was just called up to Heaven. The others are the 12 patriarchs and the other 11 apostles of Israel.

Rev 4:6 says, "And before the throne (i.e., on Saturn) there was a sea of glass like unto crystal (Saturn's rings made of ice crystals): and in the midst of the throne (on Saturn), and round about the throne, were four beasts (moving things) full of eyes before and behind." These four moving things are the giant planets, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune.

Rev 4:7,8 continues, "And the first beast was like a lion (east), and the second beast like a calf (west), and the third beast had a face as a man (south), and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle (north, these are the faces on the four flags Israel placed at the four cardinal compass points around their camp in the desert). And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him (they are the seraphims, which means burners, i.e., the gas planets); and they were full of eyes (full orbs, spheres) within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come."

Isa. 6:1-3 also tells us of the seraphims. It says, "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne (on Saturn), high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Above it stood the seraphims (the giant planets): each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly (i.e., they orbit). And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory."

Rev 4:10,11 says, "The four and twenty elders fall down before him (Jesus/God) that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Thou art worthy, O LORD (i.e., YHWH/Jesus), to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."

John 1:1-3 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Heb. 1:2 says, "Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds".

Rev 19:13 says, "And he (Jesus) was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called THE WORD OF GOD."

Since Jesus/God is sitting on the throne, Jesus is also symbolized as a Lamb. Rev 5:3-9 says, "And no man (i.e., no mere man) in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH (JESUS), THE ROOT OF DAVID (YHWH), hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE (on Saturn) and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb (Jesus) as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of GOD sent forth into all the earth. And he (THE LAMB) came and took the book out of the right hand of him (JESUS/GOD) that sat upon the throne. And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the LAMB, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou (JESUS/GOD) art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY THY BLOOD out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation".

The Tribulation starts in Rev. 6. It is after the Rapture. Agape

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