Pro and Con 1393
Incoming e-mail, Re: Beautiful Rainbow
I thought that you might like this double rainbow. Thanks for making things easy for us, your hard work makes it easy for the reader. As a Senior Army Veteran I salute you. God Bless. Have been visiting your site since the mid-1990's.
Thanks for your kind words and the first golden rainbow I ever saw, a double one to boot. It's gorgeous. Agape
Recent tremors raise fears of potentially destructive earthquake
By Zafrir Rinat and Eli Ashkenazi, 16/02/08
Friday's earthquake shook open a large hole on the Temple Mount plaza, near the Dome of the Rock.
Al-Aqsa mosque officials belonging to the Islamic Movement's Northern Branch covered the hole with wooden planks following afternoon prayers.
The officials, who also said the quake caused cracks in several local residential buildings, said the hole was a meter deep, two meters long and meter and a half wide.
THE PAVEMENT CALLED GABBATHA
By Marilyn Agee
Fort Antonia, on the northern half of the Temple Mount, was the Praetorium where Pilate tried Jesus. Pilate went back and forth between Fort Antonia and the Temple Court to talk to the members of the Sanhedrin, because the Jews would not go into the judgment hall in Fort Antonia. They did not want to be defiled by entering a Gentile establishment and then not be able to eat the Passover.
There have been several guesses where the Pavement was located. Here is one. "John may here be portraying him seated on the judgment bench. Stone Pavement: in Greek lithostrotos; under the fortress Antonia, one of the conjectured locations of the praetorium, a massive stone pavement has been excavated. Gabbatha (Aramaic rather than Hebrew) probably means "ridge, elevation." (http://www.usccb.org/nab/bible/john/john19.htm).
Gabbatha does mean a raised place. However, this Pavement was not "under the fortress Antonia." The bedrock was just under the paving. John was clear that Pilate came out of Fort Antonia into the Temple court.
Another guess: "Since the Jewish leaders wouldn't go into the Judgment Hall, Pilate came out on the porch. As he took his seat outside, that constituted a genuine judicial act because he was seated on the judgment seat." (http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg2394.htm).
I don't think the Pavement was "on the porch," either.
John 19:12-16 says, "Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. When PILATE therefore heard that saying, he BROUGHT JESUS FORTH (i.e., out of Fort Antonia), AND SAT DOWN IN THE JUDGMENT SEAT IN A PLACE THAT IS CALLED THE PAVEMENT (somewhere on the Temple Court), BUT IN THE HEBREW, GABBATHA ('the Stone Floor' in the BBE). And IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour (9 AM, Roman time): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified."
JUST WHERE WAS THE RAISED PLACE, OR JUDGMENT SEAT, ON THE TEMPLE COURT?
In Wars. V. V. 8, Josephus said, "on the corner where it (Fort Antonia) joined to the two cloisters of the TEMPLE, it had passages down to them both." There were stairs in the NW corner, for later on, Paul stood on the stairs to talk to the people after he was taken prisoner. Acts 21:35,40 says, "when he came upon the stairs, so it was, that he was borne of the soldiers for the violence of the people....And when he had given him licence, Paul stood on the stairs, and beckoned with the hand unto the people. And when there was made a great silence, he spake unto them in the Hebrew tongue".
Pilate came down those stairs onto the stone-paved Temple court. Yet, this special Pavement, the Greek Lithostrotos, the Hebrew Gabbatha, was a raised place. It seems to be right where I was afraid it was, in the Chamber of Hewn Stone where the Sanhedrin met. How sad. No wonder the Sanhedrin could not meet there any more. No wonder the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. This chamber was part of the Temple buildings.
HALF OF THE LISHKAT HA-GAZITH WAS COMMON
Thayer says that the Gabbatha was "a raised place, elevation. In the Greek was called Lithostrotos, or the pavement of stones...IT IS THOUGHT TO BE THE ROOM GAZITH, IN WHICH THE SANHEDRIN SAT IN THE TEMPLE when they tried capital causes; and it was so called, because it was paved with smooth, square hewn stones: "IT WAS IN THE NORTH PART (i.e., facing Fort Antonia); half of it was holy, and HALF OF IT WAS COMMON: and it had two doors, one for that part which was holy, and another for that part that was common; AND IN THAT HALF THAT WAS COMMON THE SANHEDRIN SAT." SO THAT INTO THIS PART OF IT, AND BY THIS DOOR, PILATE, THOUGH A GENTILE, MIGHT ENTER. THIS PLACE, in the language of the Jews, who at that time spoke Syrian, WAS GABBATHA, from its height".
WIKIPEDIA SAYS THE GAZITH WAS BUILT HALF INSIDE AND HALF OUTSIDE A NORTH WALL
Wikipedia gives us some more information. It says, "The HALL OF HEWN STONES (IN HEBREW, LISHKAT HA-GAZITH) WAS THE MEETING PLACE OF THE SANHEDRIN during the Second Temple period. The Talmud deduces that it was BUILT INTO THE NORTH WALL OF THE TEMPLE MOUNT, HALF INSIDE THE SANCTUARY AND HALF OUTSIDE, with doors providing access both to the temple and to the outside."
The wall it was built into was an inner wall, not the wall dividing Fort Antonia and the Temple Court.
HALF OF THE CHAMBER OF HEWN STONE WAS OUTSIDE THE WALL OF THE COURT OF PRIESTS
Adam Clarke's Commentary on John 18 says, "THE ROOM GAZITH WAS HALF OF IT WITHIN, AND HALF OF IT WITHOUT, THE HOLY PLACE. The reason of which was, that it was requisite that the council should sit near the Divine Majesty. Hence it is that they say, Whoever constitutes an unfit judge is as if he planted a grove by the altar of the Lord, as it is written, Judges and officers shalt thou make thee; and it follows presently after, Thou shalt not plant thee a grove near the altar of the Lord thy God, Deut. xvi. 18, 21. THEY REMOVED THEREFORE FROM GAZITH, AND SAT IN THE TABERNE; now though the Taberne were upon the mountain of the temple, yet they did not sit so near the Divine Majesty there as they did when they sat in the room." (http://www.godrules.net/library/clarke/clarkejoh18.htm).
My reply to a post by Steve Berryman on the Five Doves site, re: day of Crucifixion
> > There is no way whatsoever, that God missed a Wednesday, day 4 crucifixion. There is no way whatsoever, that God let the First Passover Preparation day be any other than a Wednesday, day 4. John 19:14 & 31 confirms the day FOLLOWING JESUS' DEATH as a Passover Preparation day and the day following was a High Sabbath feast day, not a regular 7th day Sabbath.
That passage isn't talking about the day FOLLOWING JESUS' DEATH. It is talking about the DAY OF JESUS' DEATH. John 19:14,31 says, "it (i.e., Crucifixion Day) was THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER (i.e., Nisan 13, the day before the Passover, when the food for Passover, Nisan 14, had to be prepared), and about the sixth hour (9 AM, Roman time): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!...The Jews therefore, because IT WAS THE PREPARATION (Nisan 13), that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day (an annual Sabbath, the Passover feast, Nisan 14) was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."
To me, the Passover is Nisan 14 (Lev. 23:4,5) and the preparation of the Passover is Nisan 13. Since the Crucifixion was on the preparation of the Passover, it was Nisan 13, 3790 (Thursday, April 6, 30 AD; Julian). Since the Passover was a high day (i.e., an annual Sabbath), their food had to be prepared THE DAY BEFORE THE FEAST.
John 18:28 says, "Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas (i.e., from the Sanhedrin, that met at daybreak in the Chamber of Hewn Stone at the Temple located on the southern half of the Temple Mount) unto the hall of judgment (i.e., unto Pilate, in the Praetorium, in Fort Antonia, located in the northern half of the Temple Mount): and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall (in Fort Antonia), lest they should be defiled; BUT THAT THEY MIGHT EAT THE PASSOVER." The Passover was still future. The lambs had to be roasted and eaten between 6 PM on Nisan 13, when Nisan 14 began, and 6 hours later, at midnight on Nisan 14.
John 19:12-16 says, "And from thenceforth Pilate sought to release him: but the Jews cried out, saying, If thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend: whosoever maketh himself a king speaketh against Caesar. When PILATE therefore heard that saying, he BROUGHT JESUS FORTH (out of Fort Antonia), AND SAT DOWN IN THE JUDGMENT SEAT IN A PLACE THAT IS CALLED THE PAVEMENT (i.e., he came down into the Temple Court), BUT IN THE HEBREW, GABBATHA ('the Stone Floor' in the BBE). And IT WAS THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour (9 AM, Roman time): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. Then delivered he him therefore unto them to be crucified."
The place where Pilate came down into the Temple court was described by Josephus. In Wars. V. V. 8, he said, "on the corner where it (Fort Antonia) joined to the two cloisters of the TEMPLE, it had passages (there were stairs) down to them both." Later on, Paul stood on these stairs to talk to the people after he was taken prisoner. Pilate came down onto the stone-paved Temple court.
Where on the Temple court was this Pavement, the Greek Lithostrotos, the Hebrew Gabbatha? Right where I was afraid it was, in the Chamber of Hewn Stone. How sad. Look what Thayer says about the Gabbatha:
"1) a raised place, elevation. In the Greek was called Lithostrotos, or the pavement of stones, as the Syrian version renders it: IT IS THOUGHT TO BE THE ROOM GAZITH, IN WHICH THE SANHEDRIN SAT IN THE TEMPLE when they tried capital causes; and it was so called, because it was paved with smooth, square hewn stones: "it was in the north part (i.e., close to Fort Antonia); half of it was holy, and HALF OF IT WAS COMMON (i.e., a Gentile could come into this half): and it had two doors, one for that part which was holy, and another for that part that was common; AND IN THAT HALF THAT WAS COMMON THE SANHEDRIN SAT." SO THAT INTO THIS PART OF IT, AND BY THIS DOOR, PILATE, THOUGH A GENTILE, MIGHT ENTER. THIS PLACE, in the language of the Jews, who at that time spoke Syrian, WAS GABBATHA, from its height".
Here is what Wikipedia says about Gazith: "The HALL OF HEWN STONES (in Hebrew, Lishkat ha-Gazith) was the meeting place of the Sanhedrin during the Second Temple period. The Talmud deduces that it was built into the north wall of the Temple Mount, HALF INSIDE THE SANCTUARY AND HALF OUTSIDE, with doors providing access both to the temple and to the outside....According to the Talmud, the Hall of Hewn Stones is the traditional meeting place of the Great Sanhedrin".
Yes, sad to say, it looks like Jesus was sentenced by Pilate in the Sanhedrin's own chambers and then hung on the cross at Golgotha. The darkness came at noon. Jesus died about 3 PM as the Passover lambs were being killed at the Temple. They had to be roasted and eaten between 6 PM (as Nisan 13 became the 14th) and midnight (6 hours later) on Nisan 14. 1 Cor. 5:7 says, "CHRIST OUR PASSOVER IS SACRIFICED FOR US." He died as the Passover lambs were dying.
No wonder the desecrated Chamber of Hewn Stones was marked for destruction, and the rest of the Temple eventually went with it. The earthquake that took place when Jesus died may have ruined the Chamber of Hewn Stones.
Even the year 30 AD was marked. The Jewish Talmud in Yoma 39b: “Forty years before the Temple was destroyed [i.e., in 30 AD, 40 years before the Temple was burned in 70 AD] the gates of the Hekel [Holy Place] opened by themselves, until Rabbi Yohanan B. Zakkai rebuked them [the gates] saying, Hekel, Hekel, why alarmist thou us? We know that thou art destined to be destroyed”. Also “Forty years before the destruction of the Temple (i.e., in 30 AD), the Sanhedrin was BANISHED (from its Chamber of Hewn Stones) and sat in the trading station" (Shabbat 15a). Later on, they were banished from the Temple Mount entirely and met in the city.
The Talmud says "After leaving the hall Gazith no sentence of death can be passed upon anyone soever." (Talmud, Bab., Abodah Zarah, or of Idolatry, chap. 1, fol. 8). Now I see why the sentencing had to be done in the Chamber of Hewn Stones, the Gazith.
In figuring the year of the Crucifixion, we have to take into consideration things like when was the 46th year of the Temple construction and when was the 15th year of Tiberius. Some people fail to realize that Tiberius was Co-Rex with Augustus in 12 and 13 AD. Coins issued in 13 AD had the head of Augustus on one side and the head of Tiberius on the other. Below is the chart I made myself when I figured out that the year had to be 30 AD. To me, there is no way around it.
1st year, 19 BC, Herod started building the Temple
2nd year, 18 BC
3rd year, 17 BC
4th year, 16 BC
5th year, 15 BC
6th year, 14 BC
7th year, 13 BC
8th year, 12 BC
9th year, 11 BC
10th year, 10 BC
11th year, 9 BC
12th year, 8 BC
13th year, 7 BC
14th year, 6 BC
15th year, 5 BC, Tishri 1, 3756; Sept. 4, 5 BC, Jesus born
16th year, 4 BC, Tishri 1, 3757, Jesus 1
17th year, 3 BC, Tishri 1, 3758, Jesus 2
18th year, 2 BC, Tishri 1, 3759, Jesus 3
19th year, 1 BC, Tishri 1, 3760, Jesus 4
20th year, 1 AD, Tishri 1, 3761, Jesus 5
21st year, 2 AD, Tishri 1, 3762, Jesus 6
22nd year, 3 AD, Tishri 1, 3763, Jesus 7
23rd year, 4 AD, Tishri 1, 3764, Jesus 8
24th year, 5 AD, Tishri 1, 3765, Jesus 9
25th year, 6 AD, Tishri 1, 3766, Jesus 10
26th year, 7 AD, Tishri 1, 3767, Jesus 11
27th year, 8 AD, Tishri 1, 3768, Jesus 12
28th year, 9 AD, Tishri 1, 3769, Jesus 13
29th year, 10 AD, Tishri 1, 3770, Jesus 14
30th year, 11 AD, Tishri 1, 3771, Jesus 15
31st year, 12 AD, Tishri 1, 3772, Jesus 16, Tiberius 1st yr. Co-Rex proved by coin
32nd year, 13 AD, Tishri 1, 3773, Jesus 17, Tiberius 2nd yr. Co-Rex proved by coin
33rd year, 14 AD, Tishri 1, 3774, Jesus 18, Tiberius 3rd yr. Sole-Rex
34th year, 15 AD, Tishri 1, 3775, Jesus 19, Tiberius 4th yr.
35th year, 16 AD, Tishri 1, 3776, Jesus 20, Tiberius 5th yr.
36th year, 17 AD, Tishri 1, 3777, Jesus 21, Tiberius 6th yr.
37th year, 18 AD, Tishri 1, 3778, Jesus 22, Tiberius 7th yr.
38th year, 19 AD, Tishri 1, 3779, Jesus 23, Tiberius 8th yr.
39th year, 20 AD, Tishri 1, 3780, Jesus 24, Tiberius 9th yr.
40th year, 21 AD, Tishri 1, 3781, Jesus 25, Tiberius 10th yr.
41st year, 22 AD, Tishri 1, 3782, Jesus 26, Tiberius 11th yr.
42nd year, 23 AD, Tishri 1, 3783, Jesus 27, Tiberius 12th yr.
43rd year, 24 AD, Tishri 1, 3784, Jesus 28, Tiberius 13th yr.
44th year, 25 AD, Tishri 1, 3785, Jesus 29, Tiberius 14th yr.
45th year, 26 AD, Tishri 1, 3786, Jesus 30, baptized near birthday, Tiberius' 15th yr.
46th year, 27 AD, Nisan 14, 3787, Jesus' First Passover, Temple's 46th year of construction, a Sabbatic Year (3787 divides by 7 evenly), Jesus read Isa. 61:1 on the Day of Atonement to announce the coming Jubilee Year (Luke 4:16-20)
47th year, 28 AD, Nisan 14, 3788, Jesus' Second Passover, Jubilee Year
48th year, 29 AD, Nisan 14, 3789, Jesus' Third Passover
49th year, 30 AD, Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790, Jesus Crucified, Preparation of the Passover
> > As for Jesus death in 30 AD, you may well be correct, but there is no way to be sure. As for Passover being held on a Friday, there is no record that verifies that. You are surmising the events based on lunar projections. I absolutely do not believe Jesus missed a day 4 crucifixion. I do not believe God would break His pattern that He established in Creation Week and in the Menorah. This Menorah is surely the pattern God showed Moses which was the 7 candles before the throne in Revelations chapter 1. You notice Jesus stands in the midst (middle) of the 7 candles (vs 13).
> > Personally, I will go with the creation week and Menorah pattern which puts a great emphasis on the day of week and very specifically a Wednesday, day 4, Passover Preparation day and Crucifixion day.
I think you mean the candlestick or lampstand in the Temple. Here is what Josephus, a Pharisee priest, said in Wars, V. V. 5, "the candlestick...Now the seven lamps signified the seven planets; for so many there were springing out of the candlestick". In Ant. III. VI. 7, he said that the candlestick "spread itself into as many branches as there are planets, INCLUDING THE SUN AMONG THEM." Therefore, the lamps stood for the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn. Earth is not shown with its orbit, but all the others have the semi-circular branches that stand for their orbits.
Having that information, we can understand where Paul went when he was caught up to the third heaven in II Cor. 12:2. It says, "I knew a man in Christ (himself, he just doesn't want to boast) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." The first heaven is Mars, the second Jupiter, and the third Saturn, the location of Paradise ever since Resurrection Day.
Also, so we can understand where Jesus' throne is located. Eze. 1:26-28 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear; it is September's birthstone that stands for heaven, and Jesus was born in September): and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus, the God/man) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (Saturn is amber), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (the equator) even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness (the 7 rings) round about. As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."
We can also understand Eze. 10:1,2 better. It says, "Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims (the 4 terrestrial planets) there appeared over them (i.e., farther out in space) as it were a sapphire stone (Saturn), as the appearance of the likeness of a throne (Christ's). And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (orbits), even under the cherub (Satan), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims (from the asteroid Wormwood orbiting between the terrestrial planets), and scatter them over the city (Jerusalem)." This asteroid is the flaming sword of Gen. 3:24 that turns every way. It orbits and rotates. It guards the way to Saturn, and will impact Earth on the Day of God's Wrath.
> > I can tell you the Ascension will be on a Thursday and the Holy Spirit outpouring exactly 10 days later on a Sunday Pentecost. In fact the Ascension will likely be in the evening per the Isaac Rebekah example (Gen 24:63). I can tell you that the midnight cry resurrection of the dead will likely fall on a Friday evening/Saturday Sabbath day. It will therefore be a regular 7th day Sabbath and a High Sabbath feast day.
If the Rapture is on the 7th day of Unleavened Bread, April 26 this year, it will be on Saturday. That is the day the Holy Fire comes down around 1 PM at Jesus' tomb in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. April 26, 2008, is also the official statewide day of prayer in Colorado. There will be people gathered at stadiums in every state in this nation for prayer. The ceremony will be led from Washington, DC, and be carried to all the states. GodTV (DirecTV satellite channel 365) has confirmed it will broadcast the ReignDown USA event live from Washington, D.C. on April 26.
Why does the Holy Fire come down around 1 PM at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher? Just maybe, it is because the Rapture will happen while all these Christians are gathered together in stadiums in every state in the nation to pray. Think of what a testimony that would be to those left behind. They would see people going up in groups. There could be no doubt in their minds that the Rapture happened.
Psalms 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings. And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT, AND FEAR, AND SHALL TRUST IN THE LORD." The wise virgin saints sing the NEW SONG in Rev. 5:9.
> > 4...can't you see the cross?
Yes, of course, but I doubt that arabic numerals were used in Adam's day, or in Moses' day. Doesn't the Dalet equal 4 in Hebrew?
> > When you examine the rapture events of 1 Thes 4:13-17, you note first the dead and then the living. The clouds (plural) are two. They are far enough apart to be separate clouds. The clouds are saints dressed in white. Jesus ascended into a cloud (the OT saints, Acts 1:9). There are these 2 clouds, the resurrected dead, then living bride. The two witnesses ascend into a cloud (the tribulation saints, Rev 11:12). Jesus comes again with clouds (plural) in Rev 1:7. The other part of the events described in this Thessalonians passage is found in 1 Cor 15:51-52. It concerns the changing into immortal. The dead are raised immortal (1 Cor 15:42), but the living must needs be changed. This is the event that is in the twinkling of an eye. But these 3 events are separated over a time period. The two ascensions are seen as two separate clouds.
I think Jesus took the OT saints to Heaven on Resurrection Day. He could not be touched until he came back later that same day.
John 20:17 says, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." He took Paradise to Heaven on Resurrection Day.
Eph. 4:8-10 says, "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended (i.e., on Resurrection Day) up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)"
> > The tribulation saints (all killed, then resurrected) left with the two witnesses. They are not here for this last 3.5 year period of the Second Beast.
Rev. 6:17 says that the day of God's wrath has come. That is at the end of the shortened Tribulation. Then the Tribulation saints are seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:14. After that, in Rev. 8, the 7 angels are given the trumpets of judgment. The Pre-Wrath Rapture, the Coronation of Christ and the Judgment Seat of Christ take place on the same day.
Rev. 11:15-19 says, "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come (i.e., the Second Advent is still 7 months future); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail." Agape
The ancient outer Temple court wall is twenty meters south of the eastern steps of the Dome of the Rock platform
"Twenty meters south of the eastern steps of the Dome of the Rock, a massive, ancient wall was uncovered which, according to expert opinion examining its location and size, could very well
be the southern wall of the Women's Court of the Second Temple."
I think this wall was the northern wall that divided Fort Antonia from the Temple Court.
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