Pro and Con 1394

Posted 3-8-08

2 Chron. 7:14 says, "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." The 144,000 Israelites may do that kind of praying after April 26, 2008.

Incoming e-mail, Re:

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Hi, I am not sure if you have seen this picture yet but it shows a super nova making a string of pearls with what looks like Jesus in the center with outstretched hands. God bless you!

My reply

Thanks. With my cataracts, I can't see what is in the center. Glad you can see it.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Worth your read

Marilyn, this is background on the national event planned April 26th. I was deeply moved my checking it out. The vision. (I was skeptical at first.) For a considerable amount of time I have had an imagination burning in my thoughts: As He started the church by baptizing with the Holy Ghost and Fire.....will He not do it again?

Will He not do it greater measure? I envision myself walking around with a hat of fire.

I have also been intrigued with the calling of the solemn assemblies required of the Jewish men on the Lord's Feasts.

I perceive it was meant to have them witness His mighty acts of fulfilling the Feasts right before their eyes.

So, I think like you do, I believe there is unfinished business on the solemn assembly at the end of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

With God TV broadcasting, the Jews will witness another outpouring, and another lifting up. It would not surprise me. This should finally get their attention and cause them to call out for their Messiah.

I believe the day of the Holy Fire is aptly fitting that God brings it to pass.

I am reminded of Ruth and Naomi working on a plan for their benefit. It seems we also can work a plan to have our Redeemer act on our desire to be with Him. http://www.reigndownusa.com/visiontext.html

My reply

Thank you! I'll say it is "Worth your read."

What a day Ed, Dave and I have had. It brought us to tears. First, I clicked on the URL you gave me. I printed out the message and read it to Ed, then gave it to Dave to read. After that we all three watched their videos. Then, I searched on Google for "uTube, Holy Fire" for Ed. He got to see the blue lightning I keep telling him about. It comes with the Holy Fire to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher on Holy Saturday, the day before the Eastern Orthodox Easter (figured on the Julian Calendar that was used in 30 AD.

Blue reminded a friend of the blue sapphire that symbolized Jesus' throne on Saturn in Eze. 1:26-28. The blue sapphire is September's birthstone (and Jesus was born in September), and it means Heaven.

What really brought the tears is what President Bush said and did. We knew he had said he believed in Christ, but after what he said to the Muslims, people wondered if he really understood what it was all about.

On the ReignDown website, it tells about Shawn-Marie Cole's vision. She saw people all over the nation praying and raising up their hands in worship. Then, the scene shifted to Washington, DC. She saw a prayer ministry leader praying over President Bush. He fell to his knees, and with arms outstretched and with tears streaming down his cheeks, he wispered, "I'm sorry." That's repentance, the very thing all wise and foolish virgins should all do to be ready when the Bridegroom comes.

Later, in reality, Shawn-Marie Cole got to talk with Bush for 20 minutes. She told him she knew he was a godly man, and asked him to pray about participating in Reign Down USA and praying with them. He got tears in his eyes and said, "I love Jesus, and I know the Lord put me in this position for a reason. I want the light to shine through me." Where are the tissues? God bless this man.

I don't know exactly how it came about, probably through the President somehow, but the Mall in Washington, D.C. has been secured for the ReignDown prayer ceremony on April 25, 26 and 27, 2008. April 26 is Nisan 21. It starts at 6 PM on our April 25.

Shawn-Marie saw a bright white light wipe the USA, then go to Canada and other countries, and on to the middle east. That ties in with the Rapture so well, and the Lord is arranging the exact day for the nation's prayers. TBN and GodTV will be broadcasting the ceremony. TBN and GodTVgo worldwide.

A friend, that saw a blue cloud in his living room with a white 21 on it, called me tonight to tell me that Nisan 21 is in the Bible codes in Leviticus. Also, Valeria S. saw a blue 21, as did John Tng, of the Five Doves site. I'm sure these three have been wondering what that was all about. It looks like they might find out Nisan 21, 5768 (April 26, 2008). Agape

My afterthoughts: This nation was set up for people to have freedom to worship God in the way they saw fit. 2Sam 7:23 says, "And what one (echad, united) nation in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?" This united nation is the United States. On April 26, we will humble ourselves and pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ, the very thing Israel, as a nation, would not do. That and the Rapture would surely bring the 144,000 Israelites to Christ. That would bring about their sealing that is mentioned in Rev. 7. The Holy Spirit seals each one of us when we accept Christ.

Incoming e-mail, Re: 41 not 40

Your E mail post on the Doves today is off the wall...41 years is over on June 7, 2008......not 40.....42 begins meaning Coming of the Lord...Berryman posted the same lunacy...a generation is 50 years, 40 is a time of probation.

My reply, Re: Will date of Rapture coincide with date of Jesus' Holy Fire this year?

My post didn't make it clear that I was answering Steve Berryman's posts. Sorry about that, I was in too big a hurry to post some files on my site that have been translated into Spanish, but surely you could see the marks "> >" . I was clearly quoting someone, and you should be able to tell it was Steve (Berryman), since you had read his recent posts.

I think a generation is 40 years, according to when Israel was in the desert, or, 48.33 years according to Mt. 1:17.

I think 40 years LEADS UP TO the Pre-Trib Rapture and the 48.33 years leads to the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

1967 + 40 = 2007 and 1967 + 48 = 2015.

Right now, we are BETWEEN the end of the 40 years that have passed and the 1st Rapture, which is in the near future. I think the First Rapture will be on the 7th day of Unleavened Bread this spring, Nisan 21, 5768 (April 26, 2008). Why?

Nisan 21 is when the Israelites were given Jericho AFTER THEIR 40 YEARS WERE OVER. God had them circle Jericho 13 times in all and 7 times that last day to emphasize Nisan 21. That was like drawing a circle around Jericho on a map for us. Circling Jericho 7 times the last day, blowing trumpets and shouting all mark the day.

Compare the SHOUT and TRUMPETS with 1 Th 4:16,17. It says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven WITH A SHOUT, with the voice of the archangel, and WITH THE TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Compare the 7 circles with the 7 rings of Heaven, Saturn. Josephus, a Pharisee priest, showed that the lamps on the Temple Lampstand stood for the orbits of Sun, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (Ant. III. VI. 7).

The 6 semi-circles of the lampstand arms stood for the orbits of the planetary bodies that orbit Earth, the middle lamp, the only one NOT represented by a semi-circle. Saturn is the third heaven Paul was caught up to, i.e., Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (see II Cor. 12:2).

I think the 1st Rapture will be Nisan 21, 5768, April 26, 2008.
I think the 2nd Rapture will be Tishri 1, 5776, Sept. 14, 2015.
Time will tell whether I'm right or not.

HOLY FIRE

April 26, 2008, happens to be the same day this year that the Holy Fire is to decend again in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem, as it has done for centuries on the Orthodox Holy Saturday, the day before their Easter, figured on the Julian calendar that was used in Jesus' days.

In their ceremony, the Greek Orthodox patriarch CIRCLES Jesus' tomb THREE TIMES before entering the tomb to receive the blue Holy Light (that later turns to Holy Fire) that rises up out of the slab Jesus lay on. I wonder, does that suggest that the Holy Fire is coming from the third heaven? There is lots of information and many pictures of the Holy Fire on the Internet, even videos on utube, the best way to see the blue lightning and the ball of fire moving around on its own to light lots of the olive oil lamps and candles in the church. People also light their candles from the Holy Fire brought out by the patriarch. Search on Google and several files will turn up.

Also, I just found out that the Governor of Colorado has proclaimed April 26, 2008, a statewide day of prayer. This particular day will also be kept by groups gathered at stadiums, etc., in other states across this nation and in Washington, DC.

Wouldn't that be a great thing to happen on the day of the Rapture? People would see great numbers of people going up at the same time. What a witness to the foolish virgins that would be. Be ready (I John 1:9).

In the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, the Holy Fire and Holy Light generally come out about 1 PM, although it varies a bit. The Holy Light comes first and doesn't burn faces or hair. After awhile, some say 33 minutes, it becomes actual fire. Outside the tomb, but inside the church, there is a flashing blue light they call lightning. It is something like sheet lightning and flashes here and there against the walls. Many that see the Holy Light and Holy Fire come away changed. In John 8:12, "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the LIGHT of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

Will Jesus, the light of the world, come down at the same time the Holy Light and Holy Fire come down in his tomb and in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem on April 26, 2008?

Is this why the Holy Fire has been coming down on Holy Saturday in this church for centuries? Is this April 26, 2008, what it is all about? what it was pointing to for all these years since Constantine built the Church of the Holy Sepulcher? the Rapture? It sure looks that way. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: , Only 144,000 raptured?

One thing that Steve addressed that bothers me is his claim that the number 144,000 has anything to do with the Church. And Furthermore, that its possible that only 144,000 Christians will be Raptured as the Bride.

My reply

I don't believe that, either. The 144,000 are Israelites that are raptured in the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Day of God's Wrath at the end of the shortened Tribulation.

Rev 6:17 says, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

Then Rev 7:14-17 says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

The 7 trumpet judgments do not start to happen until Rev. 8.

Rev 14:3-5 also mentions the 144,000. They seem to be added to the Bride group, a little late, but probably given this extra time because Israel has been partially blinded that the Gentiles may come in. It says, "And they sung as it were a NEW SONG (like the Bride saints sang in Rev. 5:9) before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women (symbol of false religion); for THEY ARE VIRGINS (i.e., they join the Bride group that was caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture). These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: FOR THEY ARE WITHOUT FAULT BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re:

Greetings, I was reading your article on the possible pre trib rapture being Aprtil 26th of this year. I thought I would share something with you that I discovered some time ago in my study of prophecy. From the time that Israel took Jerusalem in the six day war unto Heshavan 17 ( Nov. 7th) 2006, using the jewish calendar, was forty years to the day. Heshvan 17 was the day the rain started and the flood began. On top of that it was Billy Graham's birthday. lol I thought for sure something big would occur on that date but of course I was wrong and it didn't. After reading your article, I got to thinking that maybe there is a short time period between the forty years and the first rapture. I also noticed that on the exact day, Nisan 21, moses parted the red sea. I just thought I would share this with you and hopefully your date of April 26, will be correct. May the Lord bless you always.

My reply

Thanks much.

The Six-Day War began Iyar 26, 5727 (June 5, 1967). Add 40 years, and we come to Iyar 26, 5767. The year 5767 ended when 5768 began Sept. 13, 2007. By the Jewish Calendar, the 40 years have already passed.

Maybe someone used a 360-day year, but that length for a year is just for quick estimates. It is like our use of a 30-day month to estimate interest. We don't pay interest that way. It is just for estimates. Literal Jewish years can be 354, 355, 356, 384, 385 or 386 days. Leap Years have the 13th month. That is too complicated to figure exactly for estimates, so the 360-day year is often used. Also, I think 1260 days can represent the estimate for 3.5 years if no leap year is involved, and 1290 days can represent the estimate for 3.5 years if a leap year is involved, as is the case with the last year of the Tribulation. Eze. 39:12,13 reveals that there are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath (Tishri 1) and the Second Advent (Nisan 1). That has to be a leap year.

It looks like Noah used the 360-day year when he couldn't see the sky. As soon as he could figure out the exact day, he recorded exact dates.

> > I got to thinking that maybe there is a short time period between the forty years and the first rapture.

I agree. Since 5767 ended last September 13, we have already lived past the mark, so there is some amount of time between the end of the 40th year and the Rapture. How long seems to be demonstrated by the date that Israel took Jericho.

> > I also noticed that on the exact day, Nisan 21, moses parted the red sea.

What does Scripture indicate? De. 16:8 says, "Six days thou shalt eat unleavened bread: and on the seventh day shall be a solemn assembly to the LORD thy God: thou shalt do no work therein." Nisan 21st must mark something important. I think it is the Pre-Trib Rapture.

The Lord killed the firstborn of Egypt at midnight, the 6th hour of Nisan 14, the Passover. By this act, the Lord set them free from Egypt. All that remained was for them to move out. The death of the firstborn caused Pharoah to tell them, while it was still the night of the 14th, to leave Egypt. During the remainder of that night and during the 12-hour daylight portion of Nisan 14, they hurredly packed up what they could take with them, borrowed things from the Egyptians, and assembled in Rameses.

Nu. 33:3-8 gives the details following that. It says, "they DEPARTED FROM RAMESES in the first month, on the FIFTEENTH DAY of the first month; on the morrow after the passover (i.e., on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 15) the children of Israel went out with an high hand (does that mean waving goodbye?) in the sight of all the Egyptians. For the Egyptians buried all their firstborn, which the LORD had smitten among them: upon their gods also the LORD executed judgments. And the children of Israel REMOVED FROM RAMESES (Nisan 15), and PITCHED IN SUCCOTH (end of Nisan 15). And they departed from Succoth, and PITCHED IN ETHAM (end of Nisan 16), which is in the edge of the wilderness. And they removed from Etham, and TURNED AGAIN UNTO PIHAHIROTH, which is before Baalzephon: and they PITCHED BEFORE MIGDOL (end of Nisan 17). And they DEPARTED FROM BEFORE PIHAHIROTH, and PASSED THROUGH THE MIDST OF THE SEA into the wilderness (Nisan 18), and went three days' journey (Nisan 19, 20, and 21) in the wilderness of Etham, and PITCHED IN MARAH" (on Nisan 21, the 7th day of Unleavened Bread). If I counted the days correctly, they crossed the Red Sea on Nisan 18. Their sacrificing to the Lord would have been three days after that, i.e., on the 7th day of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 21.

THE PICTURE PAINTED BY CIRCLING JERICHO 13 TIMES

I think the Israelites circled Jericho 7 times on the 7th day, because Saturn, Heaven, has 7 rings. Jericho means his moon (a sphere), or his month. I think Jesus' month is Nisan, month of the Crucifixion, Resurrection and Second Advent. Maybe it is also the month that Jesus will come for his Bride.

Zech. 3:8,9 (LITV) says, "Hear now, O Joshua (type of Christ) the high priest, you and your associates who are sitting before you; for THEY ARE MEN OF SYMBOL (mopheth, miracle, sign, wonder, men who shadow future events). For, behold, I will bring forth My Servant, the BRANCH (Jesus from the Greek, Joshua from the Hebrew). For behold, the stone (i.e., planet) which I have given before Joshua (i.e., Jesus), on the one stone (i.e., the planet Saturn) are seven eyes (orbs, circles, rings)."

Why did they circle Jericho once a day for 6 days before circling the city 7 times on the 7th day? Circling the city 7 days may represent the planets, including the Sun that Josephus said the Temple lampstand represented. The circle on the 1st day could suggest the Sun. The circle on the 2nd day could suggest Mercury. The 3rd circle could suggest Venus, the 4th Earth, the 5th Mars, the 6th Jupiter, and the 7th Saturn. Circling Jericho 7 times on the 7th day portrayed Saturn's 7 rings.

MORE ON SATURN

In Eze. 1:1, Ezekiel looked up at the sky and said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." Verses 26-28 say, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets flying in concentric orbits) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne, as (symbolic language) the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus, both man and God) above upon it. And I saw as the colour of amber (I call Saturn a butter and honey star, because honey is amber colored), as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even upward, and from the appearance of his loins (from the equator) even downward, I saw as it were (symbolic language) the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about (Saturn's rings). As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain (i.e., from sunlight shining on ice crystals), so was the appearance of the brightness round about (i.e., of the rings). This was the appearance of the likeness (symbolic language) of the glory of the LORD."

Sapphire is September's birthstone. It means Heaven, and Jesus was born September 4, 5 BC (Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets). Sapphire also means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. I think Jesus' throne is on Saturn, the planet with 7 rings.

At Sinai, Ex. 24:10 says, "THEY SAW THE GOD OF ISRAEL (the pre-incarnate Christ; Isa. 44:6): and THERE WAS UNDER HIS FEET AS IT WERE A PAVED WORK OF A SAPPHIRE STONE, AND AS IT WERE THE BODY OF HEAVEN (heavenly body) in his (or its) clearness."

Paul was caught up to Saturn, Paradise, the third heaven (Mars, Jupiter and Saturn). In 2 Cor. 12:2-4, Paul said, "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into PARADISE, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.)"

There are two Raptures, Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath. 2 Sam. 22:10-18 says of the Pre-Wrath Rapture, "He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen (the Sign of the Son of Man) upon the wings of the wind. And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them. And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils. HE SENT FROM ABOVE, HE TOOK ME, HE DREW ME OUT OF MANY WATERS; He delivered me from my strong enemy (Gog's army, Eze. 38:20), and from them that hated me: for they were too strong for me."

In Psalm 18:10-21, David said, "he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies. At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire. The LORD also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire. Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them. Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O LORD, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils. HE SENT FROM ABOVE, HE TOOK ME, he drew me out of many waters. He delivered me from my strong enemy, and from them which hated me: for they were too strong for me. They prevented me in the day of my calamity: but the LORD was my stay. HE BROUGHT ME FORTH ALSO INTO A LARGE PLACE (Saturn); he delivered me, because he delighted in me. The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness (i.e., at the Judgment Seat of Christ); according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re:

I want to thank you Marilyn so very much for sharing all this with me. The Lord has shown you a lot. I may have to change my thinking on a number of things because what you say makes sense. I thought Jesus was born on Tishri 14, the day he stood up in the temple and said I am the light of the world.

I never considered the possibility of two raptures. I thought the Tishri 1 date would be our rapture in whatever year. What you have written concerning two raptures makes a lot of sense. I just thought the spring feasts were already fulfilled and the fall feasts would be fulfilled starting with the rapture.

There are so many goofy prophecy teachers out there now that it is refreshing to read something that agrees with my spirit and makes sense. Its certainly not hard to see how apostate the seventh church is going to be after the rapture. If the Lord shows you anything else pertaining to April 26, please email me and let me know. I am going to study some on what you wrote in your email. I kept wondering when you mentioned saturn a few times, whats the big deal about saturn, then at the end, I see where you are going with this. Its interesting to say the least. Have a blessed day. Fred Poe

My reply

You're so welcome, and thanks for your kind words.

About 2 Raptures, the first group is seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9,10. It says, "And they (the saints) sung a NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY KINDRED, AND TONGUE, AND PEOPLE, AND NATION; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on (or over) the earth."

The 2nd group is seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:9,14-17. It says, "I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, OF ALL NATIONS, AND KINDREDS, AND PEOPLE, AND TONGUES, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands...he said to me, These are they which came out of GREAT TRIBULATION, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

Of the 2nd group, only the 144,000 Israelites will be able to sing the NEW SONG. Rev. 14:3-5 says, "And they sung as it were a NEW SONG before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God."

Evidently, these could not believe in Jesus until the 1st Rapture took place. Then, they woke up.

The Jews think their Messiah will come on the last Jubilee. Little do they know, but Jesus went to the synagogue in Nazareth on the Day of Atonement to announce the Jubilee Year that would start the following Nisan l. He read Isa. 61:1 to them. The following year was the last Jubilee before Jerusalem and the Temple were burned in 70 AD.

Here is what Luke 16-21 says of that day in 27 AD. "he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord (i.e., the Jubilee, which was in 28 AD). And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." Agape

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