Pro and Con 1396

Posted 3-17-08

Building Remains From The Time Of The First Temple Were Exposed West Of The Temple Mount

March 13, 08

World Net Daily: "outer wall of the Second Jewish Temple"

Aaron Klein, Sept 2, 07

JERUSALEM Islamic authorities using heavy machinery to dig on the Temple Mount Judaism's holiest site have been caught red-handed destroying Temple-era antiquities and what's believed to be a section of an outer wall of the Second Jewish Temple....

But Israel is blocking leading archaeologists from surveying massive damage Islamic authorities are accused of causing to what may be the OUTER WALL of the Second Jewish Temple....

Earlier this month, after bulldozers pulverized a trench 1,300 feet long and five feet deep, the Muslim diggers came across a wall Israeli archaeologists believe may be remains of an area of the Second Jewish Temple known as the WOMAN'S COURTYARD.

My comment

I think it is THE OUTER WALL, not the wall of the woman's courtyard. The placement 33 ft. south of the eastern stairs descending from the Dome of the Rock platform on the east is the right place for the wall that divided the Temple court from Fort Antonia.

Incoming e-mail, Re: Nisan/Passover and Tabernacles 5BC

A possible difficulty that needs to be considered if holding to a early September 3-4, 5 BC date for Rosh Hashanah and the birth of Christ.

Here is the chart of the Solstice/Equinox dates for 5 BC to 1 BC and the lunar phases in 5 BC:

Equinoxes and solstices, UT + 2
Spring Equinox-Summer Solstice-Fall Equinox-Winter Solstice
-5 Mar 22 18:51---Jun 24 17:59---Sep 25 04:46---Dec 22 21:21
-4 Mar 23 00:42---Jun 24 23:47---Sep 25 10:28---Dec 23 03:07
-3 Mar 23 06:25---Jun 25 05:26---Sep 25 16:13---Dec 23 09:01
-2 Mar 23 12:15---Jun 25 11:18---Sep 25 22:02---Dec 23 14:43
-1 Mar 22 17:55---Jun 24 17:03---Sep 25 03:50---Dec 22 20:28

Moon phases, UT + 2
-------New----------First Quarter----------Full------------Last Quarter
-5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------Jan 2 17:45
Jan 9 08:58---Jan 16 10:25---Jan 24 15:09---Feb 1 04:06
Feb 7 19:35---Feb 15 05:30---Feb 23 07:12---Mar 1 11:26
Mar 8 06:47---Mar 16 00:48---Mar 23 20:19---Mar 30 16:57
Apr 6 18:54---Apr 14 19:01----Apr 22 06:34---Apr 28 22:10
May 6 08:00---May 14 11:19--May 21 14:32---May 28 04:32
Jun 4 22:03---Jun 13 01:14---Jun 19 21:16---Jun 26 13:16
Jul 4 12:58----Jul 12 12:37----Jul 19 04:01----Jul 26 01:09
Aug 3 04:31---Aug 10 21:44--Aug 17 12:00---Aug 24 16:30
Sep 1 20:13---Sep 9 05:15----Sep 15 22:09---Sep 23 11:05
Oct 1 11:19---Oct 8 12:14----Oct 15 10:57---Oct 23 08:01
Oct 31 01:11---Nov 6 19:52---Nov 14 02:24---Nov 22 05:32
Nov 29 13:35---Dec 6 05:13---Dec 13 20:02---Dec 22 01:22
Dec 29 00:42

If you accept a Rosh Hashanah of September 3-4, 5 BC (Jewish calendar) then calculating back approximately 180 days (6 months) would place you at Nisan 1 (new Moon) and the month of Passover. That would then be on the date of March 8th for the new Moon and likely March 9th evening for the spotting of the crescent after 6 PM. With the Spring Equinox not even occurring until the 22nd of March, makes for an extremely early rendering on the calendar. On the Hebrew calendar for the same year, they added the extra month Adar II making the Nisan 1 date beginning after the new Moon of April 6th and of course pushing the Rosh Hashanah date back a month to October 1st new Moon with possible spotting of the crescent on October 2nd evening. Naturally a month later, the Sun was now in the feet of Virgo with the Moon into Libra and not fitting the Rev. 12 scene. The key question is which calendar is correct for that year and would the month of Nisan have begun on such an early date in March well before the Equinox by 2 full weeks. I would note also that at the Full Moon of March, on the 23rd was a very spectacular and symbolic and well observed from Jerusalem Total Lunar Eclipse near Spica in Virgo. On the Jewish calendar this was the Passover date while on the Hebrew calendar it was Purim.

Since conception would have occurred sometime within the first week of December, 6 BC, this "blood red Moon" eclipse would have been in between the 3-4th month of pregnancy and on significant days on either calendar. It gets more interesting after the proposed birth date of September 3-4th if that was in fact the Rosh Hashanah when we look at the Feast of Tabernacles on the Tishri 15th date which would have been September 15th, 5 BC when another Total Lunar Eclipse occured, this one in Pisces and a Fri-Sat Sabbath day. So that makes another "blood red Moon" associated with the birth year and on significant days on the Jewish calendar. I think generally speaking, these "blood red Moons" coinciding with holy days are not looked upon as favorable "signs in the sky" associated with Israel and the Jewish people so it makes me question if this year 5 BC is the year of pregnancy and birth. Further, with the Feast of Tabernacles and the Fall harvest being this early in September before the Fall Equinox which was not until September 25th, it presents a similar problem as the very early Spring date.

I think you need to consider these points in your analysis of a 5 BC year of birth.

My reply

Thanks much for looking up all these things for me.

To me, the night of Sept. 3/4 being Tishri 1, 3756, doesn't seem to be a problem.

The New Moon/dark Moon in BC 5 was "Sep 1" on your chart. The usual phase is 2, making the visable new crescent Moon the night of Sept. 3/4. Therefore, Tishri 1, would start at 6 PM on Sept. 3 and last until 6 PM on Sept. 4. If Jesus was born before midnight, it would be our Sept. 3, if after midnight, it would be our Sept. 4. Tishri 1 is the important date, whenever it fell on the other calendars.

I don't think Sept. 3/4 would be too early for Tishri 1. On my own, I found out that we can't go by calendar programs, because they extrapolate the present-day Hebrew calendar backward. Since the date for Tishri 1 in those days was set by visual sighting, we have to go by astronomy programs. They are much more accurate.

Here is some interesting information I found on the Internet: "The modern Hebrew calendar cannot be used to calculate Biblical dates because new moon dates may be in error by up to four days, and months may be in error by up to four months. The latter accounts for the irregular intercalation (adding of extra months) that was performed in three successive years in the early second century, according to the Talmud." (

However, just to see if Tishri 1 ever happened that early, I checked for years between 20 BC and 15 AD that had Tishri 1 on or before Sept. 4. Here is my list.

Tishri 1, 3741 was (Aug. 30, Julian)
(Aug. 28, 20 BC, Gregorian)

Tishri 1, 3746 was (Sept. 4, Julian)
(Sept. 2, 15 BC, Gregorian)

Tishri 1, 3749 was (Aug. 31, Julian)
(Aug. 29, 12 BC, Gregorian)

Tishri 1, 3754 was (Sept. 6, Julian)
(Sept. 4, 7 BC, Gregorian)

Tishri 1, 3757 was (Sept. 2, Julian)
(Aug. 31, 4 BC Gregorian)

Tishri 1, 3760 was (Aug. 30, Julian)
(Aug. 28, 1 BC, Gregorian)

Tishri 1, 3765 was (Sept. 4, Julian)
(Sept. 2, 4 AD, Gregorian)

Tishri 1, 3768 was (Sept. 1, Julian)
(Aug. 30, 7 AD, Gregorian)

Tishri1, 3776 was (Sept. 2, Julian)
(Aug. 31, 15 AD, Gregorian)

There are 177 total days in the months Nisan (30), Iyar (29), Sivan (30), Tamuz (29), Av (30) and Elul (29). These never vary.

> > March, on the 23rd was a very spectacular and symbolic and well observed from Jerusalem Total Lunar Eclipse near Spica in Virgo.
> > September 15th, 5 BC

The Blood Moons are very interesting since they bracket the time of Jesus' birth. Thanks. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Nisan/Passover and Tabernacles 5BC 2nd Reply

The date (Aug. 28, 20 BC, Gregorian) is not the same as (Aug 28, -20, Gregorian). Your "" software does not allow you to input a date in the format such as "Aug 28, 20 BC, Gregorian", if it did you would see the difference. I would suggest using one consistent format for better clarity. I was inputing the Tishri dates and years so I know what actual day you are referring to on the Jewish calendar and I could also see the corresponding Julian and Gregorian dates in the proper BC/AD format and also using the site to see the format they were using which is -/+ numbers.

At any rate, the main point here is that the calendar you are using is going to still place the key festival/feast day celebrations in a calculated pattern that sometimes gets out of sync with the harvest seasons during the period of Christs years and is not the method that was used during this period. That method was the Nisan 1 decision on the state of the barley crop harvest and whether to add the extra month Adar II to extend the period till the crop was ready for harvest. Having a Passover date (near Nisan Full Moon) occur before the Spring Equinox as your calendar shows in Nisan 15, 3759 (JDN 1720770.0)(March 19, -2 Julian)(March 17,-1 Gregorian)(March 19, 2 BC US Common) is the type of problem you run into. This early dating then causes the following Feast of Tabernacles date to be on Tishri 15, 3760 (JDN 1720947.0)(near Tishri Full Moon)(September 12, -2 Julian)(September 10, -1 Gregorian)(September 12, 2 BC US Common) and 2 full weeks before the Fall Equinox. I don't see how the Sanhedrin authority would have accepted these seasonal errors produced by your calendar and therefore, I think the calendar is not the one they were using. The site reference articles on the Hebrew/Jewish calendar also indicates the method used was the "ripening of the barley" and the sighting of the new crescent Moon:

"Whether or not an embolismic month was announced after the "last month" (Adar) depended on whether "the barley was ripe". It may be noted that in the Bible the name of the first month, Aviv, literally means "spring" but originally it probably meant "the ripening of barley". Thus, if Adar was over and the barley was not yet ripe, an additional month was observed. However, according to some traditions, the announcement of the month of Aviv could also be postponed depending on the condition of roads used by families to come to Jerusalem for Passover, adequate numbers of lambs to be sacrificed at the Temple, and on the ripeness of the barley that was needed for the first fruits ceremony."

and "Before the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE and the general disruption of Jewish communal life after the Jewish-Roman Wars, and for a transitional period thereafter, the new moons/months were determined on an observational basis.

In Second Temple times (c. 518 BCE - 70 CE), the beginning of each lunar month was decided on the basis of two eyewitnesses testifying to having seen the new lunar crescent at sunset. Patriarch Gamaliel II (c. 100) asked the witnesses to select the appearance of the moon from a collection of drawings that depicted the crescent in a variety of orientations, only a few of which could be valid in any given month.[citation needed] According to tradition, these observations were compared against calculations made by the supreme Jewish court, the Sanhedrin. When thirty days elapsed since the last new moon, the witnesses were readily believed."

It is unfortunate that the website does not show the alternative Hebrew calendar that calculates the dates differently and does not have the problem of the out of sync festival/feast days with the seasons.

My reply

I tried using several different calendar converters. They agree to such a degree that I suspect that they are all using one certain program to start with. I used to know who wrote such a reference program, but I can't recall it right now.

The year 4 AD has Sept. 4 for Tishri 1. 2 BC has Aug 30 for Tishri 1, so Sept. 4, 5 BC doesn't seem out of place to me. They would have had Abib barley by Nisan 16, or they would have inserted an Adar II. The Lord probably sent early rain the fall before that so they could plant early enough to make it. They plant just as soon as the ground is loose enough in the fall.

The calendar converters list Sept. 2, 5 BC (or -5) as Tishri 1, 3757. That's as close as I can get by using the calendar converters. To zero in closer, I have to go by astronomy. To me, Rev. 12 shows that when Jesus was born, Virgo was clothed with the Sun and the Moon was under her feet. Therefore, the night of Sept. 3/4 in 5 BC fits.

I looked up how many days were in each year to see which Jewish years were leap years with Adar II. The year before Jesus was born was 3756 (BC 4). It had 355 days. Therefore, there was no Adar II that year. The next year that started Tishri 1, 3757, the night when Jesus was born, was a leap year with 385 days.

It was the same when Tishri 1 was Sept. 4 in 4 AD. The preceding year was a normal year with 355 days, and Tishri 1, 3765, was the first day of a leap year of 385 days.

When Tishri 1 was Sept. 1 in 7 AD, the preceding year was a normal year with 353 days, and Tishri 1, 3768, was the first day of a leap year of 385 days.

When Tishri 1 was Sept. 2 in 15 AD, the preceding year was a normal year with 354 days, and Tishri 1, 3776, was the first day of a leap year of 385 days.

When Tishri 1 was Aug. 30 in 18 AD, the preceding year was a normal year with 353 days, and Tishri 1, 3779, was the first day of a leap year of 384 days.

When Tishri 1 was Sept. 1 in 23 AD, the preceding year was a normal year with 354 days, and Tishri 1, 3784, was the first day of a leap year of 385 days.

When Tishri 1 was Sept. 2 in 26 AD, the preceding year was a normal year with 354 days, and Tishri 1, 3787, was the first day of a leap year of 383 days.

I think the night of Sept. 3/4, 5 BC, Tishri 1, 3757, was the night when Jesus was born. He was 30 years old Tishri 1, 3787, Sept. 2, 26 AD. I think he was crucified on the preparation of the Passover, Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790, April 6, 30 AD.

Thanks much for all your work in looking up the correct astronomical data for me. Agape

Post on 5 Doves site, Re: Marylin's 10 virgin explanation

Thanks Marylin, that was a very good study re the 10 virgin parable. I see this come up now and then, the 10 virgins are not about the church thing. It kind of ticks me off so I have a shoot from the hip reply. Yours is much better and more christian like. Thanks

Incoming e-mail

Thanks for sharing that Marilyn, I guess David had the timing of the first five seals wrong and was about to convince me that I did too. lol

My reply

You're welcome. I think the breaking of the first seal is at the beginning of the Tribulation. The others are about one each year, except for the sixth and seventh, they come true on the same day. When that Day of God's Wrath comes, all 7 trumpets will sound on that same day too. The bowls or vials of wrath show us what happens after a little more time has gone by. For instance, when the mountain-sized asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea, one third of the life in the sea dies. By the time the vials are poured out, all life in the sea is dead. Agape

Incoming e-mail, The Gog Magog War/?

Once Again..Much Thanks for all your wonderful Biblical Studies!!

My question is when, in your opinion, will the Gog Magog War take place?
Sometime this year???
Hoping to Hear from You.
See ya'....Here, There, or in the Air!!!!!!!

My reply

On the Day of God's Wrath. Eze. 38:20 talks about the worldwide earthquake, when every wall will fall. The cities of the nations will all be in shambles. It can't be any other time. Agape

Incoming e-mail

Thanks for sharing that Marilyn, I guess David had the timing of the first five seals wrong and was about to convince me that I did too. lol

My reply

You're welcome. I think the breaking of the first seal is at the beginning of the Tribulation. The others are about one each year, except for the sixth and seventh, they come true on the same day. When that Day of God's Wrath comes, all 7 trumpets will sound on that same day too. The bowls or vials of wrath show us what happens after a little more time has gone by. For instance, when the mountain-sized asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea, one third of the life in the sea dies. By the time the vials are poured out, all life in the sea is dead. Agape

Incoming e-mail

Marilyn, is there a particular book on end time prophecy that you found accurate and reliable and backed by scriptures? Thanks

My reply

Yes, I wrote 3 books. :-)
"Exit: 2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed," $5.50
"Heaven Found: A Butter and Honey Star," $5.50
"Revelations 2000" (verse by verse through Revelation) $6.99
Plus shipping/handling. One to three books Priority Mail in US is $4.95

The only things I can think of that have changed are the dates for end-time events. When I wrote the books, I thought the Rapture would be on Pentecost in 1998, that the shortened Tribulation would start on Pentecost, 2001 and end on Trumpets in 2007.

I now think the Rapture will be on the 7th day of Unleavened Bread, April 26, 2008 (Nisan 21, 5768) and the Tribulation will begin on Pentecost, May 29, 2009 (Sivan 6, 5769). I think the shortened Tribulation will end on Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015 (Tishri 1, 5776).

There are two lengths for a generation, 40 years and 48.33 years (Mt. 1:17). The 2300-days of Dan. 8:13,14 fit between Pentecost and Trumpets six years later twice.

Forty years from 1967's Six-Day War (Sign of the End of the Age) is 2007. Forty-eight years from 1967 is 2015. Both are preceded by 2300 day blocks (Dan. 8:13,14) counted by Jewish Inclusive Reckoning, from Pentecost to Trumpets.

Hoping for a 40-year generation, I picked the one that would happen first, and it now looks like it will be the later one. It looks like the 40 years end near the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture and the 48.33 years end near the time of the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

After we passed our 40-year mark, I thought about the Israelites crossing the Jordan after their 40 years in the wilderness. I reread Joshua twice.

The Israelites circled Jericho 7 times (probably because Saturn, Heaven, has 7 rings) on Nisan 21 then sounded the trumpets and shouted. The wall fell and they took the city. Joshua 6:5 says, "it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the TRUMPET, all the people shall SHOUT with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, AND THE PEOPLE SHALL ASCEND UP (alah, rise up) EVERY MAN STRAIGHT BEFORE HIM."


Both a shout and a trumpet will be heard at the Pre-Trib Rapture. 1 Thess. 4:16,17 says, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain SHALL BE CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

I now think the Rapture will be on the 7th day of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 21 (April 26, 2008). Agape

How Satan, Lucifer, thinks he will win is revealed in "Pike's Amazing Predictions Of Three World Wars"


Albert Pike received a vision, which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place (i.e., WW I and WW II).

The last part of Pike's Letter to Mazzini

..."The Third World War must be fomented BY TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE DIFFERENCES CAUSED BY THE "AGENTUR" OF THE "ILLUMINATI" BETWEEN THE POLITICAL ZIONISTS AND THE LEADERS OF ISLAMIC WORLD. THE WAR MUST BE CONDUCTED IN SUCH A WAY THAT ISLAM (THE MOSLEM ARABIC WORLD) AND POLITICAL ZIONISM (THE STATE OF ISRAEL) MUTUALLY DESTROY EACH OTHER. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. WE SHALL UNLEASH THE NIHILISTS AND THE ATHEISTS, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and THE MULTITUDE, DISILLUSIONED WITH CHRISTIANITY, WHOSE DEISTIC SPIRITS WILL FROM THAT MOMENT BE WITHOUT COMPASS OR DIRECTION, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, WILL RECEIVE THE TRUE LIGHT THROUGH THE UNIVERSAL MANIFESTATION OF THE PURE DOCTRINE OF LUCIFER, BROUGHT FINALLY OUT IN THE PUBLIC VIEW. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."...

To the contrary, Isaiah 14 says:

"THE LORD WILL HAVE MERCY ON JACOB, AND WILL YET CHOOSE ISRAEL, AND SET THEM IN THEIR OWN LAND: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; AND THEY SHALL RULE OVER THEIR OPPRESSORS. And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve, That thou shalt take up THIS PROVERB AGAINST THE KING OF BABYLON (the False Prophet), and say, HOW HATH THE OPPRESSOR CEASED! THE GOLDEN CITY CEASED! (see Rev. 18).

The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. HELL FROM BENEATH IS MOVED FOR THEE TO MEET THEE AT THY COMING: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.

HOW ART THOU FALLEN FROM HEAVEN, O LUCIFER (Satan), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground (Mid-Trib), which didst weaken the nations! For THOU HAST SAID IN THINE HEART, I WILL ascend into heaven, I WILL exalt my throne above the stars of God: I WILL sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north (i.e., on Saturn?): I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds; I WILL be like the most High (Jesus). Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man (i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?

"All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

"Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts (the Redeemer, Jesus, Isa. 44:6), and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I WILL SWEEP IT WITH THE BESOM OF DESTRUCTION, saith the LORD of hosts (Jesus).

"The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand: That I WILL BREAK THE ASSYRIAN IN MY LAND, and upon my mountains tread him under foot: then shall his yoke depart from off them, and his burden depart from off their shoulders. This is the purpose that is purposed upon the whole earth: and this is the hand that is stretched out upon all the nations. For the LORD of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?

"In the year that king Ahaz died was this burden. Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for OUT OF THE SERPENT'S ROOT SHALL COME FORTH A COCKATRICE, AND HIS FRUIT SHALL BE A FIERY FLYING SERPENT. And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant.

"Howl, O gate; cry, O city; thou, whole Palestina, art dissolved: for THERE SHALL COME FROM THE NORTH A SMOKE (i.e., the Asteroids of Rev. 8:8-11), and none shall be alone in his appointed times. What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it."


Isaiah 59:5 They hatch cockatrice' eggs, and weave the spider's web: he that eateth of their eggs dieth, and that which is crushed breaketh out into a viper.

Jeremiah 8:17 For, behold, I will send serpents, cockatrices, among you, which will not be charmed, and they shall bite you, saith the LORD.

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