Pro and Con 1405

Posted 4-16-08



Holy Light at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem

Incoming e-mail, Re: Nisan 15: a Sunday

After I sent my previous e-mail (Departure date x Arrival date) it came to my mind that.... Nisan 15 this year will be a Sunday! The day of the Lord!!!!!! Doesn't everything fit so well? John was caught up on the Day of the Lord! I know you always mention the Day of the Lord as one of the Days os Christ (I became a good student translating your articles). But the day of the Lord is also.. a Sunday, isn't it? Agape

My reply

We call Sunday the Day of the Lord, but what the Bible says about the Day of the Lord usually applies to Tishri 1, the Day of God's Wrath on the last day of the shortened Tribulation.

However, the Greek for "the Lord's day" in Rev. 1:10 is different than in references to the Day of the Lord. Only used in Rev. 1:10 is "kuriakos hemera". In English, verse 10 says, "I was (became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet". It is a type of the Rapture. Right after that, John was in Heaven with Jesus. So were the candlesticks, i.e., the churches (1:20).

I'm so glad you mentioned "Sunday! The day of the Lord," because according to the Hebrew Calendar, Nisan 21 is Saturday, April 26, and according to the Karaite Calendar, Nisan 21 is Monday, April 28. Rev. 1:10 helps us decide on the most probable day for the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Rev. 1:10 may be the final clue that shows us that the Rapture will be on Sunday, the Lord's Day, April 27, 2008, the Eastern Orthodox Easter, the day after the Holy Fire comes down in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. That is usually about 1 PM on Holy Saturday.

Clergy fly the Holy Fire to Athens, Russia, etc., and use it in their Easter services. I looked up the Greek word "ginomi," translated "was" in the KJV. I was in for a shock.

Strong's Greek Dictionary says ginomi means "to cause to be ("gen" -erate), that is, (reflexively) TO BECOME (come into being), used with great latitude (literally, figuratively, intensively, etc.): - ARISE, BE ASSEMBLED...BE BROUGHT (TO PASS), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, be done, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, BE FULFILLED, + God forbid, grow, happen, have, be kept, be made, BE MARRIED".

Rev. 1:10 (LITV) says, "I came to be (ginomai, arose, became married) in the Spirit on the Lord's day (kuriakos hemera), and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet". The trumpet of God will sound on the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture (I Thess. 4:16).

What a great time that would be. The Jewish Sunday would begin at 6 PM Saturday, the very time the REIGNdown USA prayer meeting is to convene in Washington, DC. In her vision, Shawn-Marie Cole saw light wiping this country, then Canada and Mexico, then going toward the Middle East. That probably represents the Rapture.

It seems like the 6 PM REIGNdown USA prayer meeting on April 26 may be meant by God as a TERRIFIC SIGN to mark the 6 PM beginning of the Hebrew day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Maybe people all over the world will see the Rapture take place on TVs and computers. REIGNdown USA will be broadcast worldwide on GodTV and TBN. That would hit every time zone, so people would have to figure how many hours difference there would be. The Rapture may take place very quickly all over the world. Agape

My second reply

In the Preview of the Rapture, Rev. 1:10 (LITV) says, "I CAME TO BE IN THE SPIRIT ON THE LORD'S DAY (SUNDAY), and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a TRUMPET". Immediately, John was in Heaven with Jesus. So were the 7 stars and 7 candlesticks (churches). The Rapture must be on Sunday.

This Lord's day is the Day of Jesus Christ, the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. In Phil. 1:6, Paul was, "confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it UNTIL THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST". The Day of Jesus Christ is the limit of the Bride of Christ's existence on Earth prior to the onset of the Tribulation. In Phil. 2:16, Paul said, "Holding forth the word of life; that I may REJOICE IN THE DAY OF CHRIST, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain." Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." This escape is the Pre-Trib Rapture.

After being caught up to Heaven, John said, "I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks (churches); And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto THE SON OF MAN (Jesus Christ), clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle (symbol of deity). His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword (i.e., to cut off the foolish virgins): and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength....The seven stars are the angels (messengers; by implication pastors) of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches" (Rev 1:12-16,20).

DATE OF THE NEW CRESCENT MOON MAKES A SUNDAY RAPTURE LIKELY

Night Sky Calendar (http://www.space.com/spacewatch/sky_calendar.html) recorded that the astronomical New Moon (dark of the Moon) was April 5, 2008, at 11:55 PM. The phase is usually figured as 2 days. That puts the New Crescent Moon and Nisan 1 on April 7, and Nisan 21 on Sunday, April 27. That makes a Sunday Rapture likely.

Jesus was resurrected on Sunday, and he is the Head of the Body of Christ. Those Old Testament saints that came out of their graves after Jesus did were also resurrected on Sunday. Jesus took them, and all the contents of Paradise, to Heaven that day then returned. Jesus could not be touched until he came back from that trip to Heaven. John 20:17 says, "Jesus saith unto her (Mary Magdaline), Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." After he came back, he could be touched.

It looks like the Lord set the date and time of the REIGNdown USA prayer meeting (April 26 at 6 PM) to coincide with the beginning of the Jewish Nisan 21. I think he also set that date when he gave Jericho to the Israelites on Nisan 21 after their 40 years of probation were up. That was a day of blowing the trumpets and giving a great shout. It was the day that Rahab and those in her house were saved. Her house was on the north wall, and it was the only wall that did not fall.

Her reply

Thanks much for your kindness in answering your readers’ emails (and specifically my email) with such detail, attention and competence. You are very special. God bless you richly.

Regarding the possible Rapture time, I’m praying and watching and trying to be ready for a possible Rapture ANY DAY from Nisan 15 thru Nisan 22. I think that the Reign Down USA event is great, but it might not be the Rapture date. We have to be prepared so as not to be disappointed. God’s agenda doesn’t follow ours. Of course it COULD be the Rapture date but we have to be prepared for something different. The Lord could come for His Bride BEFORE that event (and in this case only the left behind would attend it), during the event, or after it. Anything is possible.

I think that we should do our best to prepare ourselves. What I mean is not only confessing all our sins (which is essential!), but ALSO striving to have the fruits of the Spirit. The Lord wants us ripe enough. He won’t come for the “first harvest” (represented by the first Rapture) to pick green fruits, ONLY the ripe ones. As I was reading Mt 21:19, I noticed that Jesus wants fruit from us. We can’t have only leaves. I know that the fig tree is Israel, but that also has application for us. That has nothing to do with salvation by works, but only that we cannot think we will be recognized as being “the firsfruits” if we don’t have any fruit at all and live by the “deeds of the flesh” instead of the “fruits of the Spirit”.

Here is a website page I found that talks about these fruits: http://www.spirithome.com/fruitssp.html#paul . I haven’t read the rest of that website and I don’t have any idea if it has solid doctrine (we have to be careful when citing sources). But I found that specific webpage wonderful and highly appropriate for us to read now.

If “getting ready” only involved the confession of our sins, any 5 minutes or so would be enough for the foolish virgins to buy oil and be ready after the bridegroom’s cry. The problem is that being ready and deserving to be part of the firsfruits group (the Bride), in my opinion, requires that we have white robes (confession of sins) AND bear fruit, i.e., are ripe enough. We have to remember that this is a first HARVEST.

5 minutes or so is not enough for anyone to become ripe. So that’s why I urge that all of us, in this possible midnight hour, read about the fruits of the Spirit (see the above webpage) and check if everything is there in one’s heart and in one’s everyday practical life. If we don’t think we are OK in all aspects, we should try to “buy” those things URGENTLY.

We also should be patient enough to be prepared for another Rapture date. It could be any day between Nisan 15 and 22 this year (I’m hoping for that!!!!) and it could be some other time this year, next year of afterwards (I really think it’s less probable that it happens after 2009). We must be prepared and not be disappointed if the Lord chooses some other time. Anyway, the time is coming.

More important than knowing the exact date is taking advantage of the time and BE PREPARED, with white robes and fruit of the Spirit: love (agape); joy (chara); peace (eirene); patience (makrothumia); kindness (chrestotes); goodness (agathosune); faithfulness (pistis); gentleness (prautes); self-control (enkrateia). Agape

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

You are so right, we need to be ready now.

I think Nisan 21 this year will actually be Sunday, April 27, the Eastern Orthodox Easter, the day after the Holy Fire falls in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem. Why?

Night Sky Calendar (http://www.space.com/spacewatch/sky_calendar.html) recorded that the astronomical New Moon (dark of the Moon) was April 5, 2008, at 11:55 PM. The phase is usually figured as 2 days. That puts the New Crescent Moon and Nisan 1 on April 7, and Nisan 21 on Sunday, April 27. That makes a Sunday Rapture likely, and it fits Rev. 1:10's Lord's day.

It looks like the Lord chose 6 PM on April 26 for the REIGNdown USA prayer meeting, because it is the beginning of the Jewish Nisan 21, the day of the Rapture. Agape

A sign the Rapture is nigh

AIN’T GONNA NEED THIS HOUSE NO LONGER
Read Jim Bramlett's post about what the Lord did in S. Africa.
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/apr2008/jim414-3.htm

Incoming e-mail, Re: Checking Dates ?

Just checking to see if you were able to get Your Sky to confirm my message about your creation dates not being astronomically accurate:

"You may use those dates if you choose; but, in neither case is the Sun clothing Virgo or the Moon at her feet. By the date of September 8th, the Sun was entering Libra so it would have been impossible for the alignments you are stating to occur. Also, the fact that the Autumnal Equinox did not occur until Oct. 22-23 during these years (4000-4044BC) is another good seasonal reason not to consider such dates."

I remember you were having a problem being able to enter the dates and get a chart and I suggested using the JDN instead of a date.

My reply

YourSky is working now. I downloaded both charts, and the Moon was directly under the feet of Virgo. Because it was on the ecliptic, it had to be in Libra to be under the feet of Virgo. On the chart for 4004 BC, I had to use the white on black to see that there was a visible crescent, but I'm posting it in the black on white mode.

Here is the chart for Sept. 26, 4004 BC (set on -4003 to adjust for the zero year). Thus Sept. 27, 4004 BC would be Tishri 1.

Here is the chart is for Sept 17, 4044 BC (set on -4043 to adjust for the zero year). Thus Sept. 18, 4044 BC would be Tishri 1.

I now think the Rapture will be on Nisan 21, Sunday, April 27, 2008, the Eastern Orthodox Easter. The Jewish day will begin at 6 PM on the 26th and last until 6 PM on the 27th. It looks like the Lord set the date for the REIGNdown USA prayer meeting to coincide with the beginning of the day of the Rapture. I'll post more on this on the home page. Agape

Swarm of Earthquakes (600+) Detected Off Oregon

By JEFF BARNARD, Apr 11, 08
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080412/D9000MJ00.html

...There have been more than 600 quakes over the past 10 days in a basin 150 miles southwest of Newport. The biggest was magnitude 5.4 and two others were more than magnitude 5.0, OSU reported. They have not followed the typical pattern of a major shock followed by a series of diminishing aftershocks, and few have been strong enough to be felt on shore.

It looks like what happens before a volcanic eruption, except there are no volcanoes in the area...

On the hydrophones, the quakes sound like low rumbling thunder and are unlike anything scientists have heard in 17 years of listening, Dziak said. Some of the quakes have also been detected by earthquake instruments on land....

Global food riots turn deadly

By David R. Sands
http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080410/FOREIGN/401836215/1003

Anger over spiraling world food prices is becoming increasingly violent.

Deadly clashes over higher costs for staple foods have broken out in Egypt, Haiti and several African states, and an international food expert yesterday warned of more clashes with no short-term relief in sight.

My comments

IT IS A SIGN OF THE APPROACHING TRIBULATION

Rev 6:5,6 (ALT) says, "when He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, "Be coming and see!" And look! A black horse, and the one sitting on it having a balance in his hand. And I heard a voice in [the] midst of the four living creatures saying, "A choenix [about one quart or one liter] of wheat for a denarius [i.e., one day's wages], and three choenixes of barley for a denarius, and you shall not damage the olive oil and the wine!"

My reply to Kay on Five Doves site, re: the two stone tablets

> > I always felt that the two stone tablets that Moses smashed, were a foreshadowing of the Old Covenant being replaced (after the idolatry of the Hebrews building the Golden Calf) by the New Covenant. No?

The only problem I can see with that interpretation is that the tablets were replaced, and they still had on them the ten commandments. Israel was still to live under the Law until the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus in 30 AD. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Question about Nisan 21

Thank you for taking the time to reply to me, Marilyn. I used to get a monthly email update from the Karaites, so I am familiar with what you are saying, but they stopped sending it to me and I didn't pursue it, and I had lost track of their calendar. So your info was helpful to me.

Yes, the freedom and omnipotence of God to do as He pleases is overarching everything, way more than we often realize, earthbound, time/space bound as we are. I love "Whatever the LORD pleases He does..." Ps. 135:6 ESV, and "He determined the times (years) before appointed," Acts 17:26; ESV here has "having determined allotted periods:" "When I act, who can reverse it," Isa. 43:13 NIV, and "He does according to His will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth, KJV, no one can hold back His hand or say to Him, 'What have you done'" NIV Dan. 4:35. "Who has known the mind of the LORD? or who has been His counsellor?" Rom. 11:34.

"How inscrutable [are] His ways," Rom. 11:33 ESV, "but the honor of kings is to search out a matter," Prov. 25:2.

"Let Him do what seemeth Him good," I Sam. 3:18.

Fervent (zeo, hot, boiling) in spirit

Incoming e-mail, Re: rapture will NOT happen on 4-26-08

.> > As you probably know, I am now expecting the Rapture on the 7th day of Unleavened Bread, Nisan 21, April 26, 2008,

Just because you believe so doesn't make it true. By the absolute authority of GOD'S WORD the rapture will NOT happen on April 26, 2008.

My reply

I now think the Jewish day of the Rapture (Nisan 21) will start at 6 PM on April 26 and end at 6 PM on April 27. See the article at the top of my Home Page for details. Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: Who Is God?

Who is God? The only person that the Bible declares Shall Be Called God is Jesus Christ our Saviour and redeemer. In Isaiah 9:6; we have this familiar quotation, "Unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given,*** and his name shall be CALLED*** the Mighty GOD." And again in Isaiah 54:5; he says, " Thy Maker is thine (the church's) husband; and thy redeemer*** the GOD of the whole earth he shall be CALLED." Also in another place the prophet declares, "A virgin shall conceive, and bear a son and they shall CALL his name Immanuel," which is interpreted " GOD with us." Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:22,23. In the word of the Lord it can be clearly seen that Jesus IS THAT ONE, that shall be called GOD.

This is exactly what the Man of Sin, the Son of Perdition, shall do. He shall make war with the Lamb (St. John 1: 29;) through his agents, but the Lamb shall overcome them, for HE IS King of kings, and Lord of lords. Rev. 17:13,14; 1 Tim. 6:14-16.

Those who oppose Jesus being called God are partaking of the spirit of anti-Christ. Many are doing this (ignorantly), but these are they upon whom God will have mercy. But those who are doing it because of prejudice, personal ambition, hatred, honor of one another, or because of the fear of losing friends or money, are in danger of being left in darkness. Read John 12:35-46; May the Lord God prick each and every reader heart, faith without works is dead.

My reply

How about Isa. 44:6? Not only is Jesus Christ Lord of the New Testament, the pre-incarnate Christ was LORD of the Old Testament. Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHWH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHWH) of hosts; I am the first (YHWH King of Israel), and I am the last (YHWH of hosts, the Redeemer); and beside me there is no God."

II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

The pre-incarnate Christ was the one who came down on Mt. Sinai and gave Israel the 10 commandments.

Isa 48:16-18 says, "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD (the Father), and his Spirit (the Holy Spirit), hath sent ME (the Pre-incarnate Christ). Thus saith the LORD, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea".

Ex. 24:10 says, "And they saw the God of Israel (the Pre-incarnate Christ): and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone, and as it were the body of heaven (heavenly body, i.e., Saturn, the 3rd Heaven, II Cor. 12:2) in his (or its) clearness."

Eze. 1:26 says, "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (i.e., farther out in space than the 4 terrestrial planets) was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus, the God/man, see verse 1) above upon it."

The Earth is one of the four terrestrial planets. Eze 1:15 says, "Now as I beheld the living creatures (lively things, they rotate and orbit), behold one wheel (orbit) upon the EARTH by the living creatures, with his four faces (i.e., because spherical, it is facing all 4 cardinal directions at once)."

Heaven has a halo, i.e., Saturn has rings around it. Eze 1:28 says, "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about." Agape

Incoming e-mail, Re: I keep forgetting to tell you

I have found a quick neat way of searching all your indexes. All you have to do is type pro and con followed by what you are looking for. For example, pro and con saros in google will show letters from your website.

Thanks again for all you have done. I really do believe it is just days away. My challenge to sharing this has been looking at the thief on the cross. That very day he was in Paradise. Yes, many in the highways and byways will be there because we can show them the cross.

The harvest is white. It is ready. Love in Our Groom

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

Thanks also for the tip. I have trouble finding things on the Pro and Cons that I don't have on this computer. Changing servers and computers, I have sure lost a lot of files and emails over the years. All I had in Earthlink's Mailbox are now gone. Verizon was not able to import them to Outlook Express, and Mailbox is hung up perpetually reindexing the files, so I can't even copy and paste. Restart didn't fix it. Agape

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